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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 100goon on September 24, 2008, 06:52:48 PM
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Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. B (Sdkfz 182)
Other designation: King Tiger, Tiger II, Royal Tiger, Konigstiger
Type: Heavy tank
Manufacturer: Henschel, Krupp
Chassis Nos: VK4503 (H)
Production: 485 units including various variants from December 1943 to March 1945
Crew: 5 (three in turret)
Weight (tons): 68.5 (Porsche turret)
69.8 (Henschel turret)
Height (meters): 3.09
Length (meters): 7.62 (excluding gun barrel)
10.28 (including gun barrel)
Width (meters): 3.66 (without skirting)
3.76 (with skirting)
Engine: V12 Maybach HL 230 P30 (700hp)
Gearbox: Maybach OLVAR EG 40 12 16 B (8 forward and 4 reverse)
Speed (km/h): 35 - 38 (road)
17 (cross country)
Range (km): 110 (road)
80 (cross country)
Radio: FuG 5
Armament: 88mm KwK 43 (71 calibers)
1 hull MG 7.92mm
1 coaxial MG 7.92mm
1 commander's hatch MG 7.92mm
Ammunition: 88mm - 80 rounds (Porsche turret), 86 rounds (Henschel turret)
7.92mm - 5850 rounds
Sight: TZF 9b later changed to TZF 9d
Armor (mm/angle) Front Side Rear Top/Bottom
Porsche turret 100/curved 80/30 80/30 40/77 40/90
Henschel turret 180/9 80/21 80/21 40/78 40/90
Superstructure 150/50 80/25 N/A 40/90 40/90
Hull 100/50 80/0 80/0 40 - 25/90
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4985/leo2a472mi5.jpg
^^^^^^Link to Photo^^^^^^
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*sighs*
There are many more valuable aircraft/GV's to be added to this game before the King Tiger.
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Definetly! :aok
It will stop this massive T-34/85 mess.
I mean seriously that kinda tank with 3 perks? :huh
PnzR 4's are now completely obsolete and you will rarely see tigers anymore. :(
EDIT: Subway is right though. there are more important things to be added, but i still think it would be sweet.
:salute
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*sighs*
There are many more valuable aircraft/GV's to be added to this game before the King Tiger.
Like the HE-111 :D
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ignore my photo some diot put it out there as a king tiger when its just a tiger
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http://www.geocities.com/davesrcmodels/images/king-tiger-1-6-315b.jpg
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Real King Tiger^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Like the HE-111 :D
:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
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http://www.geocities.com/davesrcmodels/images/king-tiger-1-6-315b.jpg
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Real King Tiger^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Still......HE-111 :aok :D :D
OK, I'll leave this thread alone.
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Much rather have the Panther.
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i did a panther post in july no one replied
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Much rather have the Panther.
Panther would be more fun to drive aorund and fight with, the way we do now. but king tiger would be like a HUGE stationary anti-tank gun. :aok
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Definetly! :aok
It will stop this massive T-34/85 mess.
I mean seriously that kinda tank with 3 perks? :huh
PnzR 4's are now completely obsolete and you will rarely see tigers anymore. :(
EDIT: Subway is right though. there are more important things to be added, but i still think it would be sweet.
:salute
Up an IL2 with 37mm. Dive on T34/85 from back. Hit turret once. No more problems. Those 85's are VERY vulnerable in the turret.
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I give this guy a full 10 points for providing info on his wish unlike some people, and a 2 for originality...though what HASN'T been wished for yet? :lol
I'd like to see the Panther, and a LOT more other tanks added before we get the King Tiger though.
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Up an IL2 with 37mm. Dive on T34/85 from back. Hit turret once. No more problems. Those 85's are VERY vulnerable in the turret.
I would say sure lol, too bad i only fly German.
:salute
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I would say sure lol, too bad i only fly German.
:salute
Why limit yourself like that? Sure, when I flew it was mostly RAF, but I flew everything at least a little bit.
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Why limit yourself like that? Sure, when I flew it was mostly RAF, but I flew everything at least a little bit.
Jagdgescwhader 11 is 100% German 100% of the time in the LWMAs... except on the rare occasion that we take up a C47.
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Jagdgescwhader 11 is 100% German 100% of the time in the LWMAs... except on the rare occasion that we take up a C47.
:rock
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http://www.panzer-reich.co.uk/schwerepanzerspahwagen-7-5cm-pak-40-sdkfz234-4-8-rad.htm need tht 1
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Why you get 12 rounds from the 75 mm. Thats it. at least thats my impression from the reading... just use an M-8.
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Why you get 12 rounds from the 75 mm. Thats it. at least thats my impression from the reading... just use an M-8.
The other 1 had a 50mm gun it think had 30 or 40 rounds get the puma then the some more heavy tanks like the js-1 then king tiger.
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We need the King Tiger like we need the B29. We dont. :huh
There are far more important GV's that have earned thier place to be included than the Royal Tiger.
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Lower the perk value on the Tiger I before you add the Tiger II. With the M4 and T34/85 the perk price on the Tiger is ridiculous.
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Lower the perk value on the Tiger I before you add the Tiger II. With the M4 and T34/85 the perk price on the Tiger is ridiculous.
I agree the Tiger perk value is just to much. If I had it my way Id have the Tiger at 30, the Sherman Firefly at 15, and the T-34/85 at 10. Another thing I would do is perk the 37mm gun load on the Il-2 for 5 or 10. The guns on that thing are just way to strong. I had my engine and turret knocked out by just one pass by one while in my tiger. That would also give the people who cry that they don't have anything to use their bomber perks on to use them on.
Keeping with the thread I would like to see the king tiger or panther after at least five more other tanks are added.
BTW 100goon that first picture isn't a Tiger it's the German Leopard.
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*sighs*
There are many more valuable aircraft/GV's to be added to this game before the King Tiger.
Like a friggin' Crusader III!!! :pray
Also, we could use the Crusader IV :pray :pray :pray
Enough with the King Tiger already, it still dies just as easily to bombs as the others do. :devil
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[img]http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4985/leo2a472mi5.jpg
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Nice Leopard II
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Yeah put this in WOOHOO!
LRF
Stabalized 120mm gun
65+ tons 45 MPH
Chobham armor
What a hoot
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Naaah. HE-111 is more important.
After all, we need a half-decent German bomber to bomb the new German vehicles. :cool:
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*sighs*
There are many more valuable aircraft/GV's to be added to this game before the King Tiger.
Like the DUKW!
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,246505.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,246505.0.html)
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Now THAT, would be fun.
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Like the HE-111 :D
2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics.
Yes to King Tiger :aok
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*sigh*just something someone can drop bombs and shoot from the air, it is 2 slow and turret spins very very slow it would be a good defensive weapon and being able 2 break through heavy defense;even though AH doesn't really have none, it would be a good defensive weapon only and that's it
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I would say sure lol, too bad i only fly German.
:salute
Just do what I do, pretend you are a german spy and stole the plane! :aok
:noid
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Just do what I do, pretend you are a german spy and stole the plane! :aok
:noid
:lol
But then Vilkas would shooot me down in his field gun for being in a russian or british plane. :aok :rofl
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No more perked GV's of ANY KIND until we buff pilots get another perked Buff.
This game is becoming way too heavily biased against the Bomber folks.
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I agree the Tiger perk value is just to much. If I had it my way Id have the Tiger at 30, the Sherman Firefly at 15, and the T-34/85 at 10.
T34/85 at 10? I'd never up one unless it were on my base with 10 supplies laying around for turret repair and if those conditions were met, I'd up a Tiger anyway. The T34/85 seems to have a fair perk price. Enough to dissuade a person from upping it due to the weak turret. Same for the M4, if it were at 15, I'd see no reason to not up a Tiger instead.
King Tiger... maybe after a few other things and with a hefty perk cost. Modeled correctly it would be tough to injure with bombs except for direct hits or very close hits with BIG bombs. Against the rest of the tank set it would be near invulnerable. The gun on it is much superior to the Tiger I gun as well.
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the tiger II gun was also used on the jagdpanther heavy tank destroyer it was a AP round fired at twice the velocity because of the longer barrel on the KT and Jagdpanther. When ever the allies faced a KT or jagdpanther it would hold up a armored column or infantry division for a long time before either the jagd or KT was destroyed or it ran out of ammo
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I agree the Tiger perk value is just to much. If I had it my way Id have the Tiger at 30, the Sherman Firefly at 15, and the T-34/85 at 10.
Why perk the T34/85 at all? The panzer is still a better ride.
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T34/85 at 10? I'd never up one unless it were on my base with 10 supplies laying around for turret repair and if those conditions were met, I'd up a Tiger anyway. The T34/85 seems to have a fair perk price. Enough to dissuade a person from upping it due to the weak turret. Same for the M4, if it were at 15, I'd see no reason to not up a Tiger instead.
Right now the tiger is set to at 30, the M4 at 4-5, and the T-34/85 at 3. The tiger is almost useless because of the M4. Its gun is just as powerful and way more accurate. Why would you roll a tiger and risk all those perks when a M4 can just take it out with one shot from more then 2.5k out. Back when you heard a tiger coming in you would roll a tiger and hope youare a better shot. Now you just roll a M4 and who cares if you die. You can have five more chances to kill him and still be under the cost of a tiger.
I don't know why people are crying about the /85s turret Its looks like longer a M4 turret and the M4s is hard to get a hit without it ricocheting. I haven't had any problems with its turret.
Here are the stats for the M4 and 34/85s turret
Sherman VC
Turret Front: 76mm
Mantlet: 25.5mm
Turret Sides: 51mm
Turret Rear: 51mm
Turret Top: 25.5mm
T-34/85
Turret Front: 94mm
Mantlet: 59mm
Turret Sides: 75mm
Turret Rear: 52mm
Turret Top: 20mm
The 85 turret is better in every way except from the top. All I really have to say is if you're going up against a M4 in any tank be prepared to take hits. But on the other hand the tank is still new and may be fixed in the next patch.
Why perk the T34/85 at all? The panzer is still a better ride.
You can't be serious.
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ignore my photo some diot put it out there as a king tiger when its just a tiger
Thats not even a tiger, thats a Leopard!
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You can't be serious.
Very serious. The 85s turret is easy to take out. The hull is very resistant though. I've been turreted many, many times and returned the favor just as many. The 85 is nothing even close to uber and not even remotely deserving of a perk cost.
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Please give me examples of why the turret is easy to take out? Why isn't the 85 "remotely deserving"?
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Please give me examples of why the turret is easy to take out? Why isn't the 85 "remotely deserving"?
Get some perk points for GV's, then actually take the 85 into combat against someone who KNOWS how to GV rather than a dweeb that thought "oh look, TANKS! LETS TRY EM!"
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Get some perk points for GV's, then actually take the 85 into combat against someone who KNOWS how to GV rather than a dweeb that thought "oh look, TANKS! LETS TRY EM!"
Lets see I don't need to get any since I had a few thousand. I have taken the 85 out into combat, against who is something I cant control, but I have only received damage twice. One turret hit while I was on a hill at an angle that was showing part of that large, flat, thin top of the turret. I spotted a M4 around 1100 out I took two shots the first missed right in front and the second hit his front hull. While I was firing at him he got off three shots one behind one in front and the third hit to the top-front of my turret. The second time was my 85 vs another 85. I was rolling through some trees and spotted him when he was getting his first shot off from my 4 o'clock from 800 out. It hit and took my engine out. With my remaining forward momentum I was able to turn to my forward armor to him and got a shot off while he was reloading. It hit dead center of his frontal hull armor and he exploded. I towered out afterward and for some reason he was awarded a kill.
Right now these are my stats:
Kills In Kills of Killed By Died In
T-34/85 10 1 0 2
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Right now the tiger is set to at 30, the M4 at 4-5, and the T-34/85 at 3. The tiger is almost useless because of the M4. Its gun is just as powerful and way more accurate. Why would you roll a tiger and risk all those perks when a M4 can just take it out with one shot from more then 2.5k out. Back when you heard a tiger coming in you would roll a tiger and hope youare a better shot. Now you just roll a M4 and who cares if you die. You can have five more chances to kill him and still be under the cost of a tiger.
I don't know why people are crying about the /85s turret Its looks like longer a M4 turret and the M4s is hard to get a hit without it ricocheting. I haven't had any problems with its turret.
Here are the stats for the M4 and 34/85s turret
Sherman VC
Turret Front: 76mm
Mantlet: 25.5mm
Turret Sides: 51mm
Turret Rear: 51mm
Turret Top: 25.5mm
T-34/85
Turret Front: 94mm
Mantlet: 59mm
Turret Sides: 75mm
Turret Rear: 52mm
Turret Top: 20mm
The 85 turret is better in every way except from the top. All I really have to say is if you're going up against a M4 in any tank be prepared to take hits. But on the other hand the tank is still new and may be fixed in the next patch.
You can't be serious.
Actual figures of what the armor thickness is completely moot unless you are 100% sure that HTC modeled it using that data and perfect programming to fit the armor model. My favorite GV is the M4 which I up most of the time. However I have upped some T34/85s lately and find they are easy to turret and be turreted in. Maybe you haven't been upping enough of them to have enough data.
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Those are actual figures of thickness from the real tanks. I HIGHLY doubt that HTC will not model their models from the real thing. I have upped enough to see that if there was something wrong I would have been getting alot more damage.
Some of you may not know how strong some of the tank guns are. Take the PzrIV H gun the "75 mm KwK 40 L/48" the shell weighed 15lbs and traveled at almost 2,600'/sec. and at 1000m could still penetrate 85mm at 30 degrees. That means if you're hit from the side of back by a panzer in the turret you're out of action.
I painted a picture showing how thick 85mm at a 30degree angle is.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/85mm.jpg)
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The King Tiger is awfully big and slow. About all it really has going for it is its gun:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/KingTigerBovington.jpg/800px-KingTigerBovington.jpg)
Is that enough reason to add it? I don't think so.
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The King Tiger is awfully big and slow. About all it really has going for it is its gun:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/KingTigerBovington.jpg/800px-KingTigerBovington.jpg)
Is that enough reason to add it? I don't think so.
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Panther King Tiger if the JS-1 or JS-1 get added to the game.
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Panther King Tiger if the JS-1 or JS-1 get added to the game.
i say the IJS's!!!!!i could go for a Joseph Stalin tank! and i think u mean JS-2 not JS-1 :D
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The King tiger wasn't that slow it could go 21-26mph. Its gun had massave penetration power but it also have great armor thickness. I mean the frontal armor was 100-150mm thick, but as I said more tanks need to be added.
For starters we need the American Sherman, short barreled 75mm panzer IV, M18, the puma, and another British tank maybe the comet or one of the cruiser MkVIIIs.
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the problem with the KT's armour is if a round would hit and bounce off the armour would become stressed and eventually crack causing any shell that hits that crack to penetrate it and causing the KT to break down or become immobile and the crew would have to scuttle the tank if you add that into the game it would be nice(if they add the KT of course)
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The King tiger wasn't that slow it could go 21-26mph. Its gun had massave penetration power but it also have great armor thickness. I mean the frontal armor was 100-150mm thick, but as I said more tanks need to be added.
For starters we need the American Sherman, short barreled 75mm panzer IV, M18, the puma, and another British tank maybe the comet or one of the cruiser MkVIIIs.
I cannot think of any good reason to add any of those additional tanks that you mention. They would do absolutely nothing to improve game playability.
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I cannot think of any good reason to add any of those additional tanks that you mention. They would do absolutely nothing to improve game playability.
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we could add the crusader MKIV :D
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The King tiger wasn't that slow it could go 21-26mph. Its gun had massave penetration power but it also have great armor thickness. I mean the frontal armor was 100-150mm thick, but as I said more tanks need to be added.
For starters we need the American Sherman, short barreled 75mm panzer IV, M18, the puma, and another British tank maybe the comet or one of the cruiser MkVIIIs.
Im in for the short barreled Sherman. :aok
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we could add the crusader MKIV :D
Or the Churchill AVRE....
Or the CHAR 35...
Or the Cromwell...
Also, the Firefly is technically a British tank because it was a Sherman sold to the british that they then modified with a BRITISH AT GUN.
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Im in for the short barreled Sherman. :aok
yeah i like the the old sherman mass produced and had advantage of 5-1 against germans
Or the Churchill AVRE....
Or the CHAR 35...
Or the Cromwell...
Also, the Firefly is technically a British tank because it was a Sherman sold to the british that they then modified with a BRITISH AT GUN.
I'm in for the cromwell too its basically a Sherman
:aok :aok :aok
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Or the Churchill AVRE....
Or the CHAR 35...
Or the Cromwell...
Also, the Firefly is technically a British tank because it was a Sherman sold to the british that they then modified with a BRITISH AT GUN.
Or the Panther Or the JagdPanther .
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Or the Panther Or the JagdPanther .
finally someone brought up the jagdpanther but its basically a KT but has a stationary gun but i like the panther better it would match up with the firefly i think
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I would laugh when HTC decides to put mechanical malfunctions in-game.
You: Spawn a King Tiger.
System: Your engine has exploded.
You: Turn on engine as a last ditch attempt until it turns red hot.
System: Your track has fallen off.
You: Crawl inch by inch until..
System: Your wheels has been disconnected.
You: Fire your cannon in defiance.
System: Your cannon barrel has warped.
You: Fire MG as a act of dignity.
System: You shot yourself.
You: "Z0mg@! ******* ********** ********* ****** *Bleep* *bleep* *bleep*.
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I would laugh when HTC decides to put mechanical malfunctions in-game.
You: Spawn a King Tiger.
System: Your engine has exploded.
You: Turn on engine as a last ditch attempt until it turns red hot.
System: Your track has fallen off.
You: Crawl inch by inch until..
System: Your wheels has been disconnected.
You: Fire your cannon in defiance.
System: Your cannon barrel has warped.
You: Fire MG as a act of dignity.
System: You shot yourself.
You: "Z0mg@! ******* ********** ********* ****** *Bleep* *bleep* *bleep*.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I would laugh when HTC decides to put mechanical malfunctions in-game.
You: Spawn a King Tiger.
System: Your engine has exploded.
You: Turn on engine as a last ditch attempt until it turns red hot.
System: Your track has fallen off.
You: Crawl inch by inch until..
System: Your wheels has been disconnected.
You: Fire your cannon in defiance.
System: Your cannon barrel has warped.
You: Fire MG as a act of dignity.
System: You shot yourself.
You: "Z0mg@! ******* ********** ********* ****** *Bleep* *bleep* *bleep*.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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I cannot think of any good reason to add any of those additional tanks that you mention. They would do absolutely nothing to improve game playability.
Why because they weren't introduced one day before the wars end and didn't have 3 foot thick armor and a laser beam instead of a gun? You do know that the LW arena aren't the only aspects to the game right?
I bet you would want tanks like the M26 or Is3. Hell while we are at it lets just add the German Maus and be done with it. It didn't see combat and didn't even get past prototype stage but we need all the super uber tanks instead of early to mid war tanks that would fill the gaps. <old rolls eyes>
German Maus
Gun - 128 mm KwK44 L/55
Armor Thickness (mm)
Hull Front, Upper 200@55°
Hull Front, Lower 200@35°
Hull Sides, Upper 180@0°
Hull Sides, Lower 180@0°
Hull Rear 160-165@90°
Hull Top 40-80@90°
Hull Bottom 40-100@90°
Turret Front 240 rounded
Turret Sides 200@30°
Turret Sides 200@30°
Turret Sides 200@30°
Max Speed 12.5mph
Production - 2 prototypes
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/tanks-heavy/maus/maus_06.jpg)
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/tanks-heavy/maus/maus_05.jpg)
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It would just sink in the ground.
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It would just sink in the ground.
yes it would it would be funny to see it sink :lol i can see it now
You:spawn Maus
System:your tank has sunk 1in
You:no big deal i'll just keep going
System:your tank has sunk 5ft
You:son of a *bleep*
System:your tank has sunk completely
You:son of *bleep*bleep*bleep* *throws keyboard and computer monitor at wall*
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yes it would it would be funny to see it sink :lol i can see it now
You:spawn Maus
System:your tank has sunk 1in
You:no big deal i'll just keep going
System:your tank has sunk 5ft
You:son of a *bleep*
System:your tank has sunk completely
You:son of *bleep*bleep*bleep* *throws keyboard and computer monitor at wall*
:lol :lol :lol
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yes it would it would be funny to see it sink :lol i can see it now
You:spawn Maus
System:your tank has sunk 1in
You:no big deal i'll just keep going
System:your tank has sunk 5ft
You:son of a *bleep*
System:your tank has sunk completely
You:son of *bleep*bleep*bleep* *throws keyboard and computer monitor at wall*
:noid :mad: lame.... my idea. :noid
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:noid :mad: lame.... my idea. :noid
:D
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Man, you think Tiger-Is attract attention? Just imagine the calls on Country channel when some1 ups a KT! Now a more subtle addition (i.e. not a bomb magnet) would be the Crusader III/IV series.