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Title: Gun Control...
Post by: Chalenge on September 25, 2008, 10:56:56 AM
... is hitting what you aim at!  :aok

We need more people like this outstanding citizen:

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- An 18-year-old man was killed Tuesday night in a shooting at a convenience store at 26th Street and Van Brunt Boulevard, police said.

The shooting happened at a 7-Eleven at about 10:30 p.m.

Police said a man was robbing the store at gunpoint when one of the two clerks pulled out his own gun and shot him in the neck.

And thus another potential democrat voter takes the celestial dirt nap.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Nwbie on September 25, 2008, 10:58:56 AM
... is hitting what you aim at!  :aok

We need more people like this outstanding citizen:

And thus another potential democrat voter takes the celestial dirt nap.

lol... he was a potential democratic voter?

John Wayne Gacy was a registered Republican.... what exactly is your point?
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 25, 2008, 10:59:33 AM
Firearm: the great equalizer.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hangtime on September 25, 2008, 11:05:51 AM
An armed society is a polite society... criminals and terrorists would become extinct. So would corrupt police forces and government officials.

Liberal teachers would have a bounty on 'em.

What's not to like?
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Chalenge on September 25, 2008, 11:09:28 AM
lol... he was a potential democratic voter?

John Wayne Gacy was a registered Republican.... what exactly is your point?


Insanity knows no party affiliation (although Al Gore is trying to change all that).

Stupidity is clearly owned by the left.  :aok
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hangtime on September 25, 2008, 11:12:06 AM
lol... he was a potential democratic voter?

John Wayne Gacy was a registered Republican.... what exactly is your point?


The Unibomber was a democrat. So is Ayers.

what exactly is yours?
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hornet33 on September 25, 2008, 11:13:58 AM
He must have jerked the trigger to shoot the guy in the neck. I always tell everyone I teach to shoot, SQUEEZE the trigger. If you jerk it the round will go high, and if you try to anticipate it, you'll drop the round low.

Still a shot to the neck isn't all that bad. If your going to miss center of mass, might as well miss into something vital.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hangtime on September 25, 2008, 11:18:42 AM
'Center of mass' these days against the targets we're likely to have is obsolete.

Head Shots. Always go for the head.

 :D
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2008, 11:48:14 AM
He must have jerked the trigger to shoot the guy in the neck. I always tell everyone I teach to shoot, SQUEEZE the trigger. If you jerk it the round will go high, and if you try to anticipate it, you'll drop the round low.

Still a shot to the neck isn't all that bad. If your going to miss center of mass, might as well miss into something vital.

unless he was aiming for the head, and pulled down?

the few times i've shot,  i had bad tendencies to pull down. my friend said i was doing it in anticipation of any recoil, although i don;t know for sure,
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Dago on September 25, 2008, 12:07:22 PM
unless he was aiming for the head, and pulled down?

the few times i've shot,  i had bad tendencies to pull down. my friend said i was doing it in anticipation of any recoil, although i don;t know for sure,

I think it was your tendency to close your eyes and scream that made him suspect recoil issues.    :D
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2008, 12:12:30 PM
I think it was your tendency to close your eyes and scream that made him suspect recoil issues.    :D

 :rofl dam!! figured it out!! :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: crockett on September 25, 2008, 12:13:10 PM
An armed society is a polite society... criminals and terrorists would become extinct. So would corrupt police forces and government officials.

Liberal teachers would have a bounty on 'em.

What's not to like?

Not that I'm against guns as I own my own, but that's so much BS.

Is Afghanistan a polite society? You aren't considered a man there unless you have a gun. Yet look how lawless that place is. Hell it bread the terrorist that attacked the US on 9/11.  Yet you claim a armed society will make terrorist extinct? Again Afghanistan is one of the most armed countries in the world and it's political ranks are full of corruption.

The same could be said for many of the other countries in that area as well as many African and South American countries. The gun does not make people civilized. Laws and order make people civilized, a gun is nothing more than a tool that can be used as personal protection or to assault others.

You gun nuts go a bit far trying to push the agenda that guns are responsible for saving lives or protecting freedom or what ever the current NRA poster claims. Guns are a tool nothing more, people are what cause law & order or destruction, nothing else.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Mickey1992 on September 25, 2008, 12:13:25 PM
Earlier in the week also in Kansas City......

"A store clerk fatally shot a man in an attempted robbery Monday afternoon at 27th Street and Prospect Avenue, police said."

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/808979.html
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2008, 12:21:19 PM
Not that I'm against guns as I own my own, but that's so much BS.

Is Afghanistan a polite society? You aren't considered a man there unless you have a gun. Yet look how lawless that place is. Hell it bread the terrorist that attacked the US on 9/11.  Yet you claim a armed society will make terrorist extinct? Again Afghanistan is one of the most armed countries in the world and it's political ranks are full of corruption.

The same could be said for many of the other countries in that area as well as many African and South American countries. The gun does not make people civilized. Laws and order make people civilized, a gun is nothing more than a tool that can be used as personal protection or to assault others.

You gun nuts go a bit far trying to push the agenda that guns are responsible for saving lives or protecting freedom or what ever the current NRA poster claims. Guns are a tool nothing more, people are what cause law & order or destruction, nothing else.

go to a place that has "light" gun laws. some place that it's fairly easy to get a carry permit. walk into a quickmart and try to rob em. if ya live through it, come back here and let us know how ya made out, ok?
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hornet33 on September 25, 2008, 12:22:39 PM
Yeah if your dropping rounds, your anticipating the recoil. You just have to let it happen, be surprised, and the round will go right where the sights are at.

I've taught my fair share of people how to shoot handguns, and rifles. Lots of little things people don't even think about that can mean the differance between a well placed shot, and one that goes anywhere but where you wanted it to go.

Dropping rounds or high rounds are fairly easy to correct though. What gets to be a problem with many shooters are the ones who send them left or right. That's just improper grip on the weapon, but it's hard to correct. My last student had the problem of her hand being just a bit too small for the 9mm she was shooting. She was afraid it would jump out of her hands so she was gripping it tighter with her right hand than she needed to, hence palming the bottom of the grip, and sending the rounds wide right. When I fianlly saw what she was doing I was able to correct her grip and all of a sudden she was laying them in center mass on a pretty consistent basis.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Nwbie on September 25, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
The Unibomber was a democrat. So is Ayers.

what exactly is yours?

Well according to the theory held in here -- the robber had a gun... so that must be good.. and he must be a republican because he has no problem with being able to carry a gun
So thus
The future has lost a Republican voter actually.

Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: crockett on September 25, 2008, 12:29:00 PM
go to a place that has "light" gun laws. some place that it's fairly easy to get a carry permit. walk into a quickmart and try to rob em. if ya live through it, come back here and let us know how ya made out, ok?

Well I'm not walking into any place to try to rob them..  :salute

I have nothing against guns or people legally carrying them. I just get tired of the people that claim guns are responsible for this or that. Guns aren't responsible for keeping order any more than they are responsible for killing people. The people that use them are responsible for how they are used no matter if it is for good or bad.

Just because you might own a hammer, it doesn't make you a carpenter just like owning a gun doesn't make you Dirty Harry.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: JAGED on September 25, 2008, 12:29:35 PM
Well according to the theory held in here -- the robber had a gun... so that must be good.. and he must be a republican because he has no problem with being able to carry a gun
So thus
The future has lost a Republican voter actually.



I would bet the the robber didn't have the gun registered (Democrat) but the clerk did (Rebublican)!  :D
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hornet33 on September 25, 2008, 12:31:47 PM
Well I'm not walking into any place to try to rob them..  :salute

I have nothing against guns or people legally carrying them. I just get tired of the people that claim guns are responsible for this or that. Guns aren't responsible for keeping order any more than they are responsible for killing people. The people that use them are reasonable for how they are used no matter if it is for good or bad.

Just because you may own a hammer, it doesn't make you a carpenter just like owning a gun doesn't make you Dirty Harry.

And that is as true a statement that can ever be made. I wish more people understood this truth instead of going after gun and gun owners because guns are eveil things that should be banned.

You are 100% correct that a gun is nothing more than a tool, and being for good or evil cannot be attributed to an inanimate object, but to the person using said object.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Dago on September 25, 2008, 12:34:20 PM
I would bet the the robber didn't have the gun registered (Democrat) but the clerk did (Rebublican)!  :D

It's obvious he is a democrat, he is a criminal (Hillary wanted to give felons the right to vote) and the last thing this guy wanted to meet was someone lawfully carrying a gun (Republican) instead of a girlyman afraid of touching a gun (Democrat).
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: crockett on September 25, 2008, 01:20:08 PM
It's obvious he is a democrat, he is a criminal (Hillary wanted to give felons the right to vote) and the last thing this guy wanted to meet was someone lawfully carrying a gun (Republican) instead of a girlyman afraid of touching a gun (Democrat).

People with your attitude are what give legit gun owners problems. You turn it into a partisan issue trying to play politics with it, rather than a rights issue. The second you act as if Republican guns owners are some how better than Democratic gun owners you your self turn it into a political football opening it up for attack from the anti gun groups.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hangtime on September 25, 2008, 01:28:48 PM
Not that I'm against guns as I own my own, but that's so much BS.

Is Afghanistan a polite society? You aren't considered a man there unless you have a gun. Yet look how lawless that place is. Hell it bread the terrorist that attacked the US on 9/11.  Yet you claim a armed society will make terrorist extinct? Again Afghanistan is one of the most armed countries in the world and it's political ranks are full of corruption.

The same could be said for many of the other countries in that area as well as many African and South American countries. The gun does not make people civilized. Laws and order make people civilized, a gun is nothing more than a tool that can be used as personal protection or to assault others.

You gun nuts go a bit far trying to push the agenda that guns are responsible for saving lives or protecting freedom or what ever the current NRA poster claims. Guns are a tool nothing more, people are what cause law & order or destruction, nothing else.

On my list of terrorist nationalities involved in 9/11, the majority came from Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: FrodeMk3 on September 25, 2008, 01:32:33 PM
People with your attitude are what give legit gun owners problems. You turn it into a partisan issue trying to play politics with it, rather than a rights issue. The second you act as if Republican guns owners are some how better than Democratic gun owners you your self turn it into a political football opening it up for attack from the anti gun groups.


That makes two true statements. And furthering the split between the two sides of america. (Liberal and conservative.)
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: crockett on September 25, 2008, 01:40:05 PM
On my list of terrorist nationalities involved in 9/11, the majority came from Saudi Arabia.


Yet they were supported and trained by bin Laden's al Qaeda who operated in Afghanistan. You know that place that has lots of guns and umm terrorist.. btw Saudi Araba is ranked number 13 in the world for gun ownership. Iraq is number 4.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: FrodeMk3 on September 25, 2008, 01:43:39 PM
Yet they were supported and trained by bin Laden's al Qaeda who operated in Afghanistan. You know that place that has lots of guns and umm terrorist..

...And now at this juncture, it should be pointed out that it was boxcutters' and Airline cutlery used to hijack the planes' on 9/11. Not guns.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: crockett on September 25, 2008, 01:46:24 PM
...And now at this juncture, it should be pointed out that it was boxcutters' and Airline cutlery used to hijack the planes' on 9/11. Not guns.

Yes I know. He was trying to dis credit what I said about Afghan having terrorist and lots of guns, by claiming the hijackers were mostly Saudis.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: lazs2 on September 25, 2008, 02:44:46 PM
zombies.. democrats.. whatever..   Head shots are the way to go these days.    The problem is that most people under stress shoot low..  head shots are difficult. 

Practice practice practice.. I like to shoot at least 500 rounds a month just to maintain some sort of skill level.

lazs
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: bongaroo on September 25, 2008, 02:48:24 PM
And thus another potential democrat voter takes the celestial dirt nap.

I'd put 50 dollars down that he wasn't registered to vote.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Dago on September 25, 2008, 02:50:52 PM
People with your attitude are what give legit gun owners problems. You turn it into a partisan issue trying to play politics with it, rather than a rights issue. The second you act as if Republican guns owners are some how better than Democratic gun owners you your self turn it into a political football opening it up for attack from the anti gun groups.


Wake up dipshit, people before me started the partisan talk in this thread.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Chalenge on September 25, 2008, 03:13:47 PM
I'd put 50 dollars down that he wasn't registered to vote.

That would be precisely why I said 'potential' democrat voter. Had he lived he would have been converted wholeheartedly into the liberal order by defense lawyers that would argue his 'repressed and unfortunate' childhood led him to crime and then the clerk and business owner would have been sued out of every penny they could ever hope to earn and then some (and probably the gun manufacturer too).

I can hear his mother now: 'He was a good boy...yeah he messed up but he didnt deserve to die!'

Better work on your head shots!
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: bongaroo on September 25, 2008, 03:14:11 PM
Wake up dippoop, people before me started the partisan talk in this thread.

The OP made it a political insult of sorts.  Lets all blame him.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: bongaroo on September 25, 2008, 03:16:42 PM
That would be precisely why I said 'potential' democrat voter. Had he lived he would have been converted wholeheartedly into the liberal order by defense lawyers that would argue his 'repressed and unfortunate' childhood led him to crime and then they clerk and business owner would have been sued out of every penny they could ever hope to earn and then some (and probably the gun manufacturer too).

Better work on your head shots!

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: 2bighorn on September 25, 2008, 03:22:43 PM
Hillary wanted to give felons the right to vote

Nothing wrong with that. If we can have felons voting in congress, we can also let them vote in elections...
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: bustr on September 25, 2008, 04:05:45 PM
Here is some perspective on felon party affiliation. Felons overwhelmingly vote democrat to the point if they were able to have voted in Florida Al Gore would be in the White House.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9785-2004Aug17.html

Some say those who break the law lack the trustworthiness to make it. Todd Gaziano of the Heritage Foundation argues that felons might form some kind of "anti-law-enforcement bloc" and elect bad officials. But last year Alabama Republican Party Chairman Marty Connors stated a bald truth: "As frank as I can be," he said, "we're opposed to [restoring voting rights] because felons don't tend to vote Republican." He is right: People with low incomes, low education or minority status -- all benchmarks of convict populations -- vote Democratic 65 to 90 percent of the time
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: crockett on September 25, 2008, 04:14:59 PM
Here is some perspective on felon party affiliation. Felons overwhelmingly vote democrat to the point if they were able to have voted in Florida Al Gore would be in the White House.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9785-2004Aug17.html

Some say those who break the law lack the trustworthiness to make it. Todd Gaziano of the Heritage Foundation argues that felons might form some kind of "anti-law-enforcement bloc" and elect bad officials. But last year Alabama Republican Party Chairman Marty Connors stated a bald truth: "As frank as I can be," he said, "we're opposed to [restoring voting rights] because felons don't tend to vote Republican." He is right: People with low incomes, low education or minority status -- all benchmarks of convict populations -- vote Democratic 65 to 90 percent of the time

Yea but then lets compare white collar criminals and see which party they vote for.. Whats worse the guy who steals a car stereo or the guy who steal millions from little old ladies.

I'm not a criminal and have never been arrested for anything, yet the Republican lawyers managed to steal my right to vote in the last election. I'll be damned if they ever get that chance again.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: mensa180 on September 25, 2008, 04:31:30 PM
I don't care what political affiliation the person was, the future has lost a criminal, and that is a good thing.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: BnZ on September 25, 2008, 04:45:42 PM
The idea of keeping gun out of the hands of criminals is off the table. Is it impossible to buy a joint or get a hooker? Difficult even? None of the above. Nor will obtaining guns and ammo ever present any problem for anyone willing to go outside the law. The gun control advocate must think it worthwhile to put more restrictions on people who already hesitant to to take the risk of breaking the law.

Furthermore, even if we could snap our fingers and un-invent firearms, would it be good to do so? I doubt it. Both the natural and artificial world abound with objects that can easily be pressed into service as weapons. But criminals have the natural advantage of choosing their time and their victims. To this some might say "I'm 6'2, a MMA fighter, bench-press small cars, etc, I ain't worried about no crook without a gun, and I don't need one." To which I always reply: You won't be the victim of any strong-arm attempts, Sir. Your wife, or your girlfriend, or your aged parents-those are the ones the crooks would choose for victims. Or, if they do go after you, they'll more than likely have numbers and knives. The only weapon that equalizes and negates the criminal's strategic advantages over his victim and makes crime a truly risky business is the personal firearm, preferably concealed.

Another angle: Last night I was watching a program on T.V. about bears. It would seem that the bear population in New Jersey has rebounded to the extent that they are becoming a dangerous nuisance around people's homes. There was one suburban woman interviewed who said something to the effect of "They are too strong for anyone to stop...I don't know what I could do if one attacked my children while they were playing, except throw myself between the bear and them". How sad I felt for her. I don't know whether there were any legal restrictions on gun ownership or not in her area, but since the simple expedient of buying a firearm and learning to shoot as a defense against a rogue bear seems to have not crossed her mind, I can only assume the prevailing culture has made her the human equivalent of a de-clawed house cat. Piteous that a hominid, hundreds of thousands after her ancestors took up sticks and climbed the food chain, is finding herself in helpless terror of a large carnivore.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: FrodeMk3 on September 25, 2008, 05:04:48 PM
Quote
Another angle: Last night I was watching a program on T.V. about bears. It would seem that the bear population in New Jersey has rebounded to the extent that they are becoming a dangerous nuisance around people's homes. There was one suburban woman interviewed who said something to the effect of "They are too strong for anyone to stop...I don't know what I could do if one attacked my children while they were playing, except throw myself between the bear and them". How sad I felt for her. I don't know whether there were any legal restrictions on gun ownership or not in her area, but since the simple expedient of buying a firearm and learning to shoot as a defense against a rogue bear seems to have not crossed her mind, I can only assume the prevailing culture has made her the human equivalent of a de-clawed house cat. Piteous that a hominid, hundreds of thousands after her ancestors took up sticks and climbed the food chain, is finding herself in helpless terror of a large carnivore.

Most women don't have any familiarity with firearms, let alone desire to use one. O'club wet-dream females are a small proportion of what's available out there. I doubt that 1 in 10 women in this country would ever even consider picking up a gun, let alone use one, even in self defense.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Vulcan on September 25, 2008, 05:08:23 PM
An armed society is a polite society... criminals and terrorists would become extinct. So would corrupt police forces and government officials.

Liberal teachers would have a bounty on 'em.

What's not to like?

Yet the USA has some of the worst murder rates in the world. Some US cities are considered more dangerous than baghdad.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: bustr on September 25, 2008, 05:16:00 PM
The idea of keeping gun out of the hands of criminals is off the table. Is it impossible to buy a joint or get a hooker? Difficult even? None of the above. Nor will obtaining guns and ammo ever present any problem for anyone willing to go outside the law. The gun control advocate must think it worthwhile to put more restrictions on people who already hesitant to to take the risk of breaking the law.

Furthermore, even if we could snap our fingers and un-invent firearms, would it be good to do so? I doubt it. Both the natural and artificial world abound with objects that can easily be pressed into service as weapons. But criminals have the natural advantage of choosing their time and their victims. To this some might say "I'm 6'2, a MMA fighter, bench-press small cars, etc, I ain't worried about no crook without a gun, and I don't need one." To which I always reply: You won't be the victim of any strong-arm attempts, Sir. Your wife, or your girlfriend, or your aged parents-those are the ones the crooks would choose for victims. Or, if they do go after you, they'll more than likely have numbers and knives. The only weapon that equalizes and negates the criminal's strategic advantages over his victim and makes crime a truly risky business is the personal firearm, preferably concealed.

Another angle: Last night I was watching a program on T.V. about bears. It would seem that the bear population in New Jersey has rebounded to the extent that they are becoming a dangerous nuisance around people's homes. There was one suburban woman interviewed who said something to the effect of "They are too strong for anyone to stop...I don't know what I could do if one attacked my children while they were playing, except throw myself between the bear and them". How sad I felt for her. I don't know whether there were any legal restrictions on gun ownership or not in her area, but since the simple expedient of buying a firearm and learning to shoot as a defense against a rogue bear seems to have not crossed her mind, I can only assume the prevailing culture has made her the human equivalent of a de-clawed house cat. Piteous that a hominid, hundreds of thousands after her ancestors took up sticks and climbed the food chain, is finding herself in helpless terror of a large carnivore.

In Jersey if you harm(SHOOT) a Bear you go to jail because the Liberal whack nuts have leverage with the Jersey Democrats. This is a taste of how disarmement plays out. You have to decide, let my child die in my backyard or give my life to save my child. Walk down my street in day light and take the chance of dieing...........this is Jersey in white bread communities with no minority gang bangers. State law has disarmed parents so they cannot defend their lives and children. Just cower in their homes 24x7.

http://www.bachbio.com/njbears.htm

In 2000, a limited bear hunt scheduled by the New Jersey Division of Fish & Wildlife was cancelled when then-Governor Whitman bowed to pressure from a small but vocal minority of animal activists and in turn pressured the Division into canceling the hunt. In so doing, New Jersey essentially indicated that it was willing to risk the lives and safety of its citizens while it experimented with a program of tagging and relocation – a program that has already been demonstrated ineffective elsewhere. The potential liability to the State for blocking a limited hunt is enormous. Limited hunting is a proven and cost-effective method for wildlife population control, and is used by the State regularly as part of its conservation management program for other, apparently less valued, forms of wildlife. The deliberate blocking of a scheduled hunt in light of the documented and growing risk to public safety could be cast as gross negligence, or perhaps even recklessness, should the first bear attack lawsuit presents itself in New Jersey.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hangtime on September 25, 2008, 05:17:22 PM
Yet the USA has some of the worst murder rates in the world. Some US cities are considered more dangerous than baghdad.

To an Arab or a Persian.. yup.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: crockett on September 25, 2008, 05:20:16 PM
In Jersey if you harm(SHOOT) a Bear you go to jail because the Liberal whack nuts have leverage with the Jersey Democrats. This is a taste of how disarmement plays out. You have to decide, let my child die in my backyard or give my life to save my child. Walk down my street in day light and take the chance of dieing...........this is Jersey in white bread communities with no minority gang bangers. State law has disarmed parents so they cannot defend their lives and children. Just cower in their homes 24x7.

http://www.bachbio.com/njbears.htm

In 2000, a limited bear hunt scheduled by the New Jersey Division of Fish & Wildlife was cancelled when then-Governor Whitman bowed to pressure from a small but vocal minority of animal activists and in turn pressured the Division into canceling the hunt. In so doing, New Jersey essentially indicated that it was willing to risk the lives and safety of its citizens while it experimented with a program of tagging and relocation – a program that has already been demonstrated ineffective elsewhere. The potential liability to the State for blocking a limited hunt is enormous. Limited hunting is a proven and cost-effective method for wildlife population control, and is used by the State regularly as part of its conservation management program for other, apparently less valued, forms of wildlife. The deliberate blocking of a scheduled hunt in light of the documented and growing risk to public safety could be cast as gross negligence, or perhaps even recklessness, should the first bear attack lawsuit presents itself in New Jersey.


I'd guess the chances of getting eaten by a bear in New Jersey are slightly lower than getting shot by a gang member in Camden N.J.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Chalenge on September 25, 2008, 05:25:36 PM
– a program that has already been demonstrated ineffective elsewhere.

Relocate them to my freezer please. Bear is some fine eating!  :aok
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: BnZ on September 25, 2008, 05:29:46 PM
I'd guess the chances of getting eaten by a bear in New Jersey are slightly lower than getting shot by a gang member in Camden N.J.

As I have already pointed out, gun control will not keep the gang members from getting guns. Transport and sale of illegal goods...nope, nothing any gang would know about.  :rolleyes:

Nor does such a group NEED guns to be a terror to whatever neighborhood is unlucky enough to have them. Numbers, muscle, and disregard for the rights of others are enough. Someone hoping to defend their person and property from them might need a firearm however.

Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: BnZ on September 25, 2008, 05:35:40 PM
Most women don't have any familiarity with firearms, let alone desire to use one. O'club wet-dream females are a small proportion of what's available out there. I doubt that 1 in 10 women in this country would ever even consider picking up a gun, let alone use one, even in self defense.

Where I live, at least 50% of the women I know know how to shoot. At least 1 in 20 actually hunts.

Your statement is akin to dismissing the possibility that women should learn how to change a tire, just because most women are not car-nuts/gearheads.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: FrodeMk3 on September 25, 2008, 05:51:19 PM
Where I live, at least 50% of the women I know know how to shoot. At least 1 in 20 actually hunts.

Your statement is akin to dismissing the possibility that women should learn how to change a tire, just because most women are not car-nuts/gearheads.

You should look at more than just Texas in this. I did, because most Blue-state women tend to shy away from them.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: BnZ on September 25, 2008, 06:06:35 PM
You should look at more than just Texas in this. I did, because most Blue-state women tend to shy away from them.

Well if it is cultural, varying by region, then the phenomenon does not constitute a flaw of women. It is a fault of a culture whose cranial-rectal inversion is so total that some dopey soccer mom thinks the only thing she can do to protect her children from nuisance wildlife is try to fight off a bear with her fingernails.
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: bustr on September 25, 2008, 06:48:16 PM
Yet the USA has some of the worst murder rates in the world. Some US cities are considered more dangerous than baghdad.

Vulcan you have been told time and again that those cities high murder rates are in isolated communities dominated by minority gangs who shoot each other. The rest of the communities in the cities in question see almost no murder other than what is statistical for non-minorities living together. The minority communities where the murders take place are blip on the population statistic for those cities under any other productive catigory. Its like Londons high minority upon minority crime rate which scews the total crime rate fro England and all the white citizens living in the small villages and towns with 1% of the total murders each year.

Do you have a rational reason for continuing to offer this well known canard? In those cities the law abiding citizens who make up the majority productive population do not go into those communities. New Zealand has its parralle in "hoons".

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article1073096.ece

Hoons are the underclass of New Zealand. They are inarticulate and unkempt to a degree that would appal even a chav. (No Burberry caps for hoons; simply wearing shoes often takes too much sartorial effort.) But, in other respects, hoons are just like the underclass of any other modern Western country.

They often grow up without their fathers. The succession of “uncles” who come through their home may beat or rape them. They attend school only because it is compulsory until sixteen, and leave having acquired neither an education nor any qualifications. They work in unskilled jobs, if they work at all. They have no interests and no ambitions, unless you count sex and intoxication (especially from marijuana, which grows like a weed in New Zealand). The sex leads to children, but rarely to marriage. They smoke, eat junk and die younger than the rest of us. And then their children do it all over again.

It is in this subculture of listless depravity that women and children are so frequently murdered and abused. And it is because New Zealand has such a large underclass that its social statistics are so bad.

Why are there so many hoons in New Zealand? You might expect this to be a matter of fierce national debate. Yet, until recently, there has been little serious discussion of the problem, and certainly no serious action to remedy it.

One reason for this diffidence is that many New Zealanders subscribe to the modern ethos of non-judgmentalism. For those whose motto is “I don't like to judge”, it is almost impossible even to identify, let alone to remedy, the problem of an underclass.

But, more importantly, discussing these problems makes New Zealanders feel queasy because it inevitably draws you into race issues. Not all hoons are Maori, and not all Maori are hoons. Far from it. But there is a correlation. Consider just these facts.

Maori are 15 per cent of the population, but 50 per cent of the prison population. Forty per cent of Maori children grow up in fatherless homes, compared with 17 per cent of whites. A third of Maori boys leave school with no qualification, compared with 13 per cent of white boys. The child murder rate is 1.5 per 100,000 among Maori, compared with 0.7 among whites. Maori life expectancy is seven years less than that of whites.


Seems the formula is the same all over the world. Minorities commite most of the crimes. Everyone else is productive and know where not to go after dark.

Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Kazaa on September 25, 2008, 08:17:37 PM
Firearm: the great equalizer.

But what if the other guy has a bigger gun then you.  :D
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: Hangtime on September 25, 2008, 08:21:48 PM
shoot first, hit first.

..to the victor, the spoils. 
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: redman555 on September 25, 2008, 08:25:19 PM
retard obama wants 2 take guns out of homes, hes so dumb, u aint touchin my gun....  :rock


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Gun Control...
Post by: BnZ on September 25, 2008, 09:15:58 PM
But what if the other guy has a bigger gun then you.  :D

If the other guy has .22 in hand, he already comprises someone too dangerous to mess with as a matter of business. Even if you "win", chances are you are still going to loose. No profit in that.

OTOH, "Territorial Imperative" by Robert Ardrey is a fascinating book. Demonstrates the evolutionary reason why a Schnauzer in its own yard can often drive off a Doberman interloper, among other things.