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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on October 01, 2008, 06:54:21 AM
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VP debate moderator Ifill releasing pro-Obama book
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76645 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76645)
she should be replaced imo
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Meanwhile, Biden claims he was shot at in Iraq, which was a lie, and the press ignores it (they certainly gave Hillary a hard time for it, why the pass on Biden? Hmmmmmmmmmm)
Biden claims he was shot at it Iraq (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/30/unlike-clinton-biden-gets-pass-saying-shot-iraq/)
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It would be difficult to find a mainstream media type who was not rooting for osamabinbiden.
lazs
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Rooting? How about shilling?
Jeez, it's really incredible.
Hmmmmmmmm...... Montana or Vermont, Montana or Vermont..... Montana. It's out West.
Damn, and I just bought land in Kansas. Oh well... time to sell that I guess.
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It's on the front page at Fox. Unbelievable. Every hour, we sink to a new low.
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Some have deluded themselves into thinking the liberal media controls the mind of the average person. Once SNL or Letterman pronounces Palin a bimbo it becomes fact. I think they are in for a rude awakening.
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Some have deluded themselves into thinking the liberal media controls the mind of the average person. Once SNL or Letterman pronounces Palin a bimbo it becomes fact. I think they are in for a rude awakening.
Oh I'm pretty sure most of us had a idea she was a bimbo well before SNL or Letterman talked about it. They just confirmed what the rest of us where already thinking. :lol
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Oh I'm pretty sure most of us had a idea she was a bimbo well before SNL or Letterman talked about it. They just confirmed what the rest of us are, Archie Bunker bigots. :lol
Fixed!
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I think they are in for a rude awakening.
It is my sincere hope.
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Bias in the media? No Say it ain't so !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo
lol
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While the Reps never saw this before it would seem,there was an interview around a month ago in the Wash Post with her about it.Still,she should not be allowed to be a mod in a debate she obviously has a stake in the out come of.Along with ACORN and Obamas involvment in it along with the various voter fraud charges already being taken up in the swing states against ACORN and Obamas camps contributions TO ACORN,its starting to look pretty bad.Media seems to be turning a blind eye to anything dirty that Obama,may he live forever,has touched,continues to touch or may touch in the foreseeable future.
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I haven't read the book, but it would likely sell more if Obama is elected and I assume Ifill has a financial interest in how many copies are sold. So there's a potential conflict of interest and she should never have been picked (or accepted) as moderator.
Plus, if she asks Palin difficult questions like "What's the name of a newspaper you've read?" or "Name at least one supreme court decision" the shrill cries of media bias will be going off like car alarms.
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I haven't read the book, but it would likely sell more if Obama is elected and I assume Ifill has a financial interest in how many copies are sold. So there's a potential conflict of interest and she should never have been picked (or accepted) as moderator.
Plus, if she asks Palin difficult questions like "What's the name of a newspaper you've read?" or "Name at least one supreme court decision" the shrill cries of media bias will be going off like car alarms.
I'm betting she could answer the question that was above Obama's pay grade.
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LoL no bias here
(http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/wheres_obama_cnn.jpg)
This gave me the giggles ^^^
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I'm betting she could answer the question that was above Obama's pay grade.
You making that bet based upon her answers to the Bush Doctrine question, or the $700B Bailout question, or the Foreign Policy question, or the Invade Pakistan answer, or what exactly has she anwered in those interviews that gives you the confidence to actually bet?
Seriously?
Her Bailout answer reminds me of that line from Blazing Saddles...."that's the finest example of frontier jibberish I've ever heard"
If she performs well at the debate, and by well I don't mean by the rediculously low expectation the GOP is trying to set as acceptable, then good for her. It means she shed McCains campaign handlers and is being herself...but even at that, she's in a much deeper part of the pool than she is used to....
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You making that bet based upon her answers to the Bush Doctrine question, or the $700B Bailout question, or the Foreign Policy question, or the Invade Pakistan answer, or what exactly has she anwered in those interviews that gives you the confidence to actually bet?
Seriously?
Her Bailout answer reminds me of that line from Blazing Saddles...."that's the finest example of frontier jibberish I've ever heard"
If she performs well at the debate, and by well I don't mean by the rediculously low expectation the GOP is trying to set as acceptable, then good for her. It means she shed McCains campaign handlers and is being herself...but even at that, she's in a much deeper part of the pool than she is used to....
She will answer the question "When does a fetus deserve human rights?" (or something approximating that) the same as did John McCain, "at conception." Do you have any doubt she would answer the question that Obama said "was above his pay grade" in that fashion, seriously?
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No doubt at all....well she do it speaking in tongues?
Or will she do it saying she doesn't actually attend a any single church these days....
That part bothers me a bit about her now....(not the cheap shot I took about the speaking in tongues), but how she's compromising on simple acknowledgements like which church she regularly attends....again, I think the Campaign is forcing that....
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That part bothers me a bit about her now....(not the cheap shot I took about the speaking in tongues), but how she's compromising on simple acknowledgements like which church she regularly attends....again, I think the Campaign is forcing that....
Did it bother you that Obama attended the church that he did? You know, the one that preached racism? :rolleyes:
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Did it bother you that Obama attended the church that he did? You know, the one that preached racism? :rolleyes:
Of course.
Also, mixing religion with politics also bothers me, as well as anyone who advocates legislating morality.
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Of course.
Also, mixing religion with politics also bothers me, as well as anyone who advocates legislating morality.
Of course morality is legislated. We just have to decide how much legislation we want. Immoral to murder, probably not a bad thing to make a law prohibiting that. Someone can't or won't work? Should we let them starve? This get's a little more iffy. Should we tax everyone to feed them? How about their kids?
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Of course morality is legislated. We just have to decide how much legislation we want. Immoral to murder, probably not a bad thing to make a law prohibiting that. Someone can't or won't work? Should we let them starve? This get's a little more iffy. Should we tax everyone to feed them? How about their kids?
OK...I'm Catholic...I wouldn't mind seeing one of our Cardinals become President...you OK with that?
That's what I mean...it gets dicey real fast.
Now can't work vs. won't work...big difference.....what's their age..are the old, shut-ins, need services to provide them with meals....of course as a society we must provide safety nets, or we are less than a society....
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cripes.. a cardinal? bout as much chance of that as a black man bein presi...
weel, shut my mouf!
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Hehe....Hang...you have to admit...nobody does buerucracy like the Catholic church does...and fund raising for that matter.
Would a Bishop be OK then? :)
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nobody beats the church for 'community organizing'.
nobody.
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No doubt at all....well she do it speaking in tongues?
Or will she do it saying she doesn't actually attend a any single church these days....
That part bothers me a bit about her now....(not the cheap shot I took about the speaking in tongues), but how she's compromising on simple acknowledgements like which church she regularly attends....again, I think the Campaign is forcing that....
Has it progressed to simply professing a belief in God is grounds for being a nutberger?
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About the only complaint I might level against Ifil is she might be too nice to the candidates (based on her moderation of previous campaign debates).
Anyone dissing her as "partisan" hasn't watched her regularly... but then Washington Weekly and the PBS Newshour aren't exactly commercial-News-to-keep-you-an-idiot either.
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About the only complaint I might level against Ifil is she might be too nice to the candidates (based on her moderation of previous campaign debates).
Anyone dissing her as "partisan" hasn't watched her regularly... but then Washington Weekly and the PBS Newshour aren't exactly commercial-News-to-keep-you-an-idiot either.
:rofl
She writes a book that almost proclaims Obama President and schedules the release for the date of the inauguration, but she's not biased. Sure.
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and now we bring you the debate.
Ifill: the first question goes to mayor palin.
palin; ah, thats governor
ifill: what every, i understand you are very weak on foreign policy, so what is the gross national product of the republic of Krakastain?
palin: ahh er
ifill: just as i thought, next question is for the great senator from delaware. Senator biden , can you name a city in france?
biden: yes of course because my 36 years in the US senate have prepared me to know everything about the world and to answer your question a city in the great country of france is paris hilton.
ifill, thank you very much vice president biden, i will send you a autographed copy of my new book "the age of Obama", and all you people out there be sure to buy my book also.
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OK...I'm Catholic...I wouldn't mind seeing one of our Cardinals become President...you OK with that?
That's what I mean...it gets dicey real fast.
Now can't work vs. won't work...big difference.....what's their age..are the old, shut-ins, need services to provide them with meals....of course as a society we must provide safety nets, or we are less than a society....
Palin isn't a bishop or a cardinal or any other church official. We've already had a catholic president. What's your point?
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Honestly, this is an extreme non-issue that has been 'revealed' as a basic set-up in case Palin bombs badly. Then conservative journalists/analysts will come forward and say that Ifil was "too" liberal, and that she set out to attack Palin, when in reality Ifil is extremely well known for being polite, thoughtful, and considerate, even to those she disagrees with
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I think that Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a totally objective job," said McCain, "because she is a highly respected professional.
It was in the news before the McCain campaign even agreed to the debate conditions. It's just a controversy because both McCain's and Palin's poll numbers have been dropping.
Just more crap to feed to base and an excuse if Palin bombs.
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Her publisher sets the release date. It'll be released on that day even if Obama loses.
Ifill said Obama's story, which she has yet to write, is only a small part of the book, which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era. Among those subjects is Colin Powell, secretary of state in the Bush administration.
In its online description of the book, Doubleday says that Ifill:
Surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama's stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.
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:rofl
She writes a book that almost proclaims Obama President and schedules the release for the date of the inauguration, but she's not biased. Sure.
Um, you can have a contrary opinion and still be relatively unbiased (at least enough to not try and degrade or otherwise humiliate you opponent). Gwen Ifill is the epitome of polite and strives to be unbiased to the issues she is covering (she has presided over presidential debates before), unless she is directly taking a position on the matter (such as in a round table discussion, etc).
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come on mg1942, she is going to softball biden and play gotcha with palin.
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She'll have to ask both of the candidates the same questions. If she tries to slant the debate or makes snide comments it will be immediately obvious and would probably help Palin.
Look, 99% of the media is in the tank for Obamessiah. They use media talking heads for moderators. This is no big surprise and no big deal.
It's just poor taste to pick a talking head with an Obamessiah praise book coming out. They should pick the ones in the tank that don't create such a splash.
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Has it progressed to simply professing a belief in God is grounds for being a nutberger?
Yep
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They should pick the ones in the tank that don't create such a splash.
a technique i hereby dub 'drowning turds from the clean end'.
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Um, you can have a contrary opinion and still be relatively unbiased (at least enough to not try and degrade or otherwise humiliate you opponent). Gwen Ifill is the epitome of polite and strives to be unbiased to the issues she is covering (she has presided over presidential debates before), unless she is directly taking a position on the matter (such as in a round table discussion, etc).
It needn't be blatant, it can be subtle and still affect things
For example, she pressed Cheney to attack Democratic nominee John Edwards personally: “President Bush has derided John Kerry for putting a trial lawyer on the ticket. You yourself have said that lawsuits are partly to blame for higher medical costs. Are you willing to say that John Edwards, sitting here, has been part of the problem?”
Ifill then turned around and asked the Democrat if he was feeling pained at the attack she had just requested: “Senator Edwards, new question to you, same topic. Do you feel personally attacked when Vice President Cheney talks about liability reform and tort reform and the president talks about having a trial lawyer on the ticket?”
The PBS host also pressed Cheney with a Tim Russert-style question on Iran: “Mr. Vice President, in June of 2000 when you were still CEO of Halliburton, you said that U.S. businesses should be allowed to do business with Iran because, quote, ‘Unilateral sanctions almost never work.’ After four years as Vice President now, and with Iran having been declared by your administration as part of the ‘Axis of Evil,’ do you still believe that we should lift sanctions on Iran?” Cheney said no, and that in 2000, he was talking about unilateral sanctions, not universal sanctions. Some viewers were put off after the Edwards counterattack, when Cheney said “I can respond, Gwen, but it's going to take more than 30 seconds,” and she said “Well, that's all you've got.” She said Democrats loved it (“they thought I was being snippy”), but she said that wasn’t her intent.
When Ifill turned to Edwards for a question on Israel policy, there wasn’t an equally tough question for him. She said the U.S. seemed sadly “absent” under Bush: “Today, a senior member of Islamic Jihad was killed in Gaza. There have been suicide bombings, targeted assassinations, mortar attacks, all of this continuing at a time when the United States seems absent in the peace-making process. What would your administration do?”
Ifill’s toughest question to Edwards underlined that he had the least governmental experience of any vice-presidential nominee since 1976. She also pressed Edwards from the left on Kerry’s promise not to raise taxes and their opposition to gay marriage. But her last question seemed designed to aid Kerry: “Senator Kerry changed his mind about whether to vote to authorize the President to go to war. President Bush changed his mind about whether a Homeland Security department was a good idea or a 9/11 Commission was a good idea. What's wrong with a little flip-flop every now and then?”
http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/2008/fax20081001.asp
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Has it progressed to simply professing a belief in God is grounds for being a nutberger?
I didn't call her a nutberger......and I've already shown that I have a belief in God.
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Palin isn't a bishop or a cardinal or any other church official. We've already had a catholic president. What's your point?
I like to keep government and religion seperate. I don't think Kennedy ever said we were on a mission from God, or was blessed against witches though...
My point is I think she's over her head, and I'm upset with McCain that he didn't pick a better running mate.
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On this Gwen Ifill crap, have the people who are complaining READ THE BOOK????!!!!
If there is no endorsement of the candidate then I have trouble with all this complaining. From what I have heard, Ifill's book uses barack as a centerpiece for the changing of the old guard of black politics according to the description on Amazon and other articles I read. This on it's own does not equal Barack slant, it's more then likely a contextualized historical perspective.
Plus It's not like this is a secret, Ifill discussed the book last month with the Washington post as politico pointed out.
There have been other pieces on that same topic written before, I hardly believe it's an ENDORSEMENT of Obama himself. I'm not saying anyone here who is saying that is predjiduced, but I think there's this idea that because Ifill wrote such a book and cause she is black then she is invariably pro-obama AAAAAAAAAANNNDDDD that she will not moderate the debate effectively. (which is roadkill cause I've seen her moderate before)
Like I said I haven't read the book, but if people complaining (not singling out anyone alone here) haven't read it they NEED TO CHILL OUT.
Association DOES NOT EQUAL causation!
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I hope Palin slams both Biden and Hillary on this in the debate.
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I'm seeing all sorts of stuff saying Ifill did not disclose the existence of the book project to the commission on presidential debates. If that's true, not only is she biased, but she has lied by omission, at the very least, and if she was asked any questions where an honest answer would have revealed the book project, then she's just a liar.
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On this Gwen Ifill crap, have the people who are complaining READ THE BOOK????!!!!
the book is not out yet.
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if ppl can't see whats wrong with this, then they can make excuses for anything ... pretty much what is wrong with our country these days
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I think the choice of moderator was wrong....
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Of course.
Also, mixing religion with politics also bothers me, as well as anyone who advocates legislating morality.
It just didnt bother you that Obama went there for so long right? :huh
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:rofl
She writes a book that almost proclaims Obama President and schedules the release for the date of the inauguration, but she's not biased. Sure.
Yea shes one Opera endorsement away from a massive mindless masses run on that book. :O
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It just didnt bother you that Obama went there for so long right? :huh
You'd be wrong....