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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mr No Name on October 02, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
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Ifill is writing a book entitled "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama" She is releasing it on January 20, 2009. It seems to me that she has a vested stake in this election, particularly with a title like that... I mean, if Osamabama wins, she has hit the lottery... If he loses, she just did a book edition of "Dewey Defeats Truman!"
Another PBS Moderator??? How in the hell can you get much more left wing?
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The New Hour is the only television news I can stand to watch. It so far and away better than any crap you see on cable it makes me choke to watch MSNBC, Fox or CNN. I'm very happy to have another PBS moderator.
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Honestly, this is an extreme non-issue that has been 'revealed' as a basic set-up in case Palin bombs badly. Then conservative journalists/analysts will come forward and say that Ifil was "too" liberal, and that she set out to attack Palin, when in reality Ifil is extremely well known for being polite, thoughtful, and considerate, even to those she disagrees with.
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I think that Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a totally objective job," said McCain, "because she is a highly respected professional.
It was in the news before the McCain campaign even agreed to the debate conditions. It's just a controversy because both McCain's and Palin's poll numbers have been dropping.
Just more crap to feed to base and an excuse if Palin bombs.
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Her publisher sets the release date. It'll be released on that day even if Obama loses.
Ifill said Obama's story, which she has yet to write, is only a small part of the book, which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era. Among those subjects is Colin Powell, secretary of state in the Bush administration.
In its online description of the book, Doubleday says that Ifill:
Surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama's stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.
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Her publisher sets the release date. It'll be released on that day even if Obama loses.
Sooo will she sell more or less books if Obama wins? How much does she stand to gain monetarily if she sells more books?
See a pattern yet?
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damn, the guy with the vermin in his sig seems to really like this liberal witch.
I wonder if his vermin association has infected his media bias filters?
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Read this again.
Ifill said Obama's story, which she has yet to write, is only a small part of the book, which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era.
Like I said, it's a non-issue being blown out of proportions...
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hmmm.. a thread with 8 posts.. 2 of 'em mine, 4 of 'em yours.
The vermin doth protest too much, methinks.
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Read this again.
Ifill said Obama's story, which she has yet to write, is only a small part of the book, which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era.
Like I said, it's a non-issue being blown out of proportions...
Soo again if we have a black man elected president, will she sell more or less books? How much does she stand to gain if she sells more books?
Same dance just to a slightly different tune.
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One only needs to look at the TITLE: "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama"
Sure, you can't judge a book by its' cover... but it does give ya a hint and a half!
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so does that fat cat and the vermin sig block. ;)
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Why not wait until after the debate to talk about how she did as a moderator? It's going to start real soon, and it's not like it's about to get called off now... It'll be easy to judge how she did after we've actually, you know, seen her in action. :)
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I think that Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a totally objective job," said McCain, "because she is a highly respected professional.
It was in the news before the McCain campaign even agreed to the debate conditions. It's just a controversy because both McCain's and Palin's poll numbers have been dropping.
Just more crap to feed to base and an excuse if Palin bombs.
That was in the news AFTERwards---she didn't disclose to the debate committee that she had a book coming out on election day that would sell TONS if Obama got elected--McCain's people knew nothing of it, NOW they are pissed
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Why not wait until after the debate to talk about how she did as a moderator? It's going to start real soon, and it's not like it's about to get called off now... It'll be easy to judge how she did after we've actually, you know, seen her in action. :)
You didn't comment on this before, so I'll post it again. There are SUBTLE things a moderator can do to tip a debate, as she tried to do in 2004 with Cheney and Edwards
For example, she pressed Cheney to attack Democratic nominee John Edwards personally: “President Bush has derided John Kerry for putting a trial lawyer on the ticket. You yourself have said that lawsuits are partly to blame for higher medical costs. Are you willing to say that John Edwards, sitting here, has been part of the problem?”
Ifill then turned around and asked the Democrat if he was feeling pained at the attack she had just requested: “Senator Edwards, new question to you, same topic. Do you feel personally attacked when Vice President Cheney talks about liability reform and tort reform and the president talks about having a trial lawyer on the ticket?”
The PBS host also pressed Cheney with a Tim Russert-style question on Iran: “Mr. Vice President, in June of 2000 when you were still CEO of Halliburton, you said that U.S. businesses should be allowed to do business with Iran because, quote, ‘Unilateral sanctions almost never work.’ After four years as Vice President now, and with Iran having been declared by your administration as part of the ‘Axis of Evil,’ do you still believe that we should lift sanctions on Iran?” Cheney said no, and that in 2000, he was talking about unilateral sanctions, not universal sanctions. Some viewers were put off after the Edwards counterattack, when Cheney said “I can respond, Gwen, but it's going to take more than 30 seconds,” and she said “Well, that's all you've got.” She said Democrats loved it (“they thought I was being snippy”), but she said that wasn’t her intent.
When Ifill turned to Edwards for a question on Israel policy, there wasn’t an equally tough question for him. She said the U.S. seemed sadly “absent” under Bush: “Today, a senior member of Islamic Jihad was killed in Gaza. There have been suicide bombings, targeted assassinations, mortar attacks, all of this continuing at a time when the United States seems absent in the peace-making process. What would your administration do?”
Ifill’s toughest question to Edwards underlined that he had the least governmental experience of any vice-presidential nominee since 1976. She also pressed Edwards from the left on Kerry’s promise not to raise taxes and their opposition to gay marriage. But her last question seemed designed to aid Kerry: “Senator Kerry changed his mind about whether to vote to authorize the President to go to war. President Bush changed his mind about whether a Homeland Security department was a good idea or a 9/11 Commission was a good idea. What's wrong with a little flip-flop every now and then?”
http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/2008/fax20081001.asp
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Her publisher sets the release date. It'll be released on that day even if Obama loses.
Ifill said Obama's story, which she has yet to write, is only a small part of the book, which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era. Among those subjects is Colin Powell, secretary of state in the Bush administration.
In its online description of the book, Doubleday says that Ifill:
Surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama's stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.
Does she stand to gain financially if the book sells well? Yes
Would the book sell well if Obama loses the election? No
Yeah, there is conflict of interest, but who cares.
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Well, let's all get to the debate and hope we learn something about these two... I got the popcorn ready... any of you libs bring any beer?
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spotted owl squeezings.
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Don't trust a lib to bring beer. You'd probably get low-fat soy beer.
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the moderator seemed to be fair, but she was under the spotlight.
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disagree.. thought she favored Biden by allowing him (via pointed pauses, and 'please' rejoinders when he requested them) returns to closed subjects, while providing no similar pause when she obviously had something more to say.
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She was better than I figured she'd be, but was not totally neutral.
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She was better than I figured she'd be, but was not totally neutral.
The moderator may have been a bit tilted for Biden. However, I think she did great. She was sharp.
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disagree.. thought she favored Biden by allowing him (via pointed pauses, and 'please' rejoinders when he requested them) returns to closed subjects, while providing no similar pause when she obviously had something more to say.
You forgot to include the parts where she allowed Palin to not actually answer the question posed her, and instead talk about Alaska Energy.
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You forgot to include the parts where she allowed Palin to not actually answer the question posed her, and instead talk about Alaska Energy.
Well, actually, if you were paying attention, she chided BOTH of them by NAME, for NOT answering a couple of questions, on a couple of occasions.
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Well, it looks like the moderator did let Biden get an extra shot or two in there, I see it as no big deal... Overall, things went well. Sarah Barracuda Shoots and scores on this one. It doesn't matter to me though because I am STILL voting for Barr! ;)
Now... let me have a moment to go browsing for some naughty librarian pr0n... :devil
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Well, actually, if you were paying attention, she chided BOTH of them by NAME, for NOT answering a couple of questions, on a couple of occasions.
And then mod stopped.... and Palin stopped answering the questions posed to her altogether, unless she saw fit to. I watched her talk about energy on four different questions that had NOTHING to do about energy. It'd be humorous, if it wasn't for you guys ankle humping her the whole time.
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I watched her talk about energy on four different questions that had NOTHING to do about energy.
It's all a matter of perspective. I watched her talk about energy "instead" of answering some trivial and pointless questions.
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I tivo'd it, will watch it tomorrow i guess--debates always seem to be yawners because invariably, whatever you ask them gets tossed out and replaced with whichever soundbite they wanna spit out
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She was better than I figured she'd be, but was not totally neutral.
Exactly the same experience.
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(Ok last rant on this then I close it.)
The book isn't out yet, no one knows what it's about. I personally find all this Gwen Ifill crap offensive in suggesting that she is so short sighted, money grubbing and unrespectful that she would write something approaching AN ENDORSEMENT OF A CANDIDATE. 9/10 chance, this book will be about the history of black politicians from civil rights until now, how the rhetoric has changed how the audience has changed. How each politician played his or her own game, examining that and contextualizing it. IN A DETACHED HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. This has been written about before, New York Times did something just like it earlier this year, there was no endorsement nor sucking up to candidates in the article, it just noted and examined the change between the politicians of Jesse Jackson Sr. and Jesse Jackson Jr.'s respective generations.
If it is anything else I will eat my words, but Ifill's past work hardly puts her in the same boat as some other black journalists who would write a book about a political candidate during an election season. Her work during the VP debate as you seen not to mention her past moderating of Newshour guests (which people may or may not have seen but which I have) speaks for itself.
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First Im going to say I only saw most of the debate as I was interrupted several times during it.
So I missed small chunks here and there.
Anything I say is based on what I did see
The moderator did pretty well from what I saw.
I think fears were, for the most part shown to be unfounded.
I only really noticed one time.
She gave Biden one extra chance to get the last word in.
But by and far I think she was fair. Put out the questions and let the participents answer,almost answer,and dance around the questions.
If she had a flaw. it was that she wasnt pressing either enough.
As far as their performances. They both presented most of their cases well.
It was almost a reverse of the McCain Obama debate. Palin did well on the economy and energy. and Bidens experience shined through on foreign matters.
Palin. who lets face it. Was the real story tonight. did well overall.
She did the one thing she had to do.
She didnt loose the election for McCain.
I think her homey every day talk like a normal person lingo will appeal to alot of people.
While Biden came off like a slick politician. (and his sensitive moment about his son was pretty cheesy. not exactly an oscar winning moment)
What she also didnt do though. that she and McCain have to do still. Is distance themselves from Bush.
I think McCains temper at some point must come out and him to say "I am not George Bush" angrily.
A show of anger on this by McCain, on the subject of the "more of the same" label would only help him here.
Back to the debate.
Depending on what you were looking for. I think each side claims victory. As is evident by flipping back and forth between CNN and FOX.
I dont think I need to say what each is saying.
I personally give her the nod because she I think exceeded everyone's expectations.
The big winner in this debate. Wasnt either presidential candidate.
It was Sarah Palin
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Well, actually, if you were paying attention, she chided BOTH of them by NAME, for NOT answering a couple of questions, on a couple of occasions.
Indeed she did.
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Palin. who lets face it. Was the real story tonight. did well overall.
She did the one thing she had to do.
She didnt loose the election for McCain.
I think her homey every day talk like a normal person lingo will appeal to alot of people.
This is what I think as well. She didn't lose, and that in itself is a win. Not for the election, but for the debate.
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I had to work and missed the debate, but I listened to a couple different talkshows on the way home. The consensus was Biden won, but Palin stopped the bleeding from the Couric interview. She did better than most expected against a talented debater, but stuck to her script. Her weakness was the follow-up where she had no script for Biden's answers.
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I had to work and missed the debate, but I listened to a couple different talkshows on the way home. The consensus was Biden won, but Palin stopped the bleeding from the Couric interview. She did better than most expected against a talented debater, but stuck to her script. Her weakness was the follow-up where she had no script for Biden's answers.
I agree completely with your assessment. She stopped the bleeding, and didn't lose the election. Other than that, it was more than obvious who was coached and stuck to her flashcards. If anything, I think the mod gave them both way too much leeway in spouting party line, than answering the questions posed to them.
BTW.... The McCain outrage over her book... amazing they didn't start that sooner. The book title was published in July. All that took was a "google" by the McStupid campaign. I guess one of two things didn't happen... either they didn't care... or they didn't care to do a background on the moderator prior to the debate. Either case erodes that issue to nothing, in my book.
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the moderator behaved after the republicans pushed her down the stairs and broke her leg :)
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I tivo'd it, will watch it tomorrow i guess--debates always seem to be yawners because invariably, whatever you ask them gets tossed out and replaced with whichever soundbite they wanna spit out
Pretty good debate. You will enjoy it.
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I don't think her book is a non issue how ever I think she did a fair job , and didn't display any liberal bias .