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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on October 02, 2008, 08:51:03 PM
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The champion scores early with some telling economic jabs. He's definitely more comfortable in this type of ring, although the challenger appears more energetic and well prepared. She scores a particularly deft upper-cut to the champion's chin, hi-lighting his vulnerability to the flip-flop on his stance about Obama's fitness for the presidency. He has definitely been with the same trainer for too long...
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The champion scores early with some telling economic jabs. He's definitely more comfortable in this type of ring, although the challenger appears more energetic and well prepared. She scores a particularly deft upper-cut to the champion's chin, hi-lighting his vulnerability to the flip-flop on his stance about Obama's fitness for the presidency. He has definitely been with the same trainer for too long...
it's fixed!!
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Biden's needle just got stuck while he kept saying George Bush's. Who's he running against again?
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The referee is doing a great job of allowing the two pugilists to fight their own fights, and of separating them in the "I respect your stance" clinches.
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Palin should be debating Obama......Biden should be debating McCain.
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Actually, Yeager, that's exactly what he's doing. Palin doesn't have much record to attack. :rofl
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has anybody been keeping track how often Palin has said "maverick"
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There's no crying in debates with women, Joe.
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has anybody been keeping track how often Palin has said "maverick"
not as often as Biden has said "bush"
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has anybody been keeping track how often Palin has said "maverick"
Damn that would have been a good drinking game!
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There's no crying in debates with women, Joe.
:rofl
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Palin is quite attractive, I can't help but watch her whenever Biden is speaking, even while I'm paying attention to what Biden is saying. Growing up in Michigan, I think her northern North American (quasi-Canadian) accent is pretty hot as well. But she looks down too damn much when she's not talking... whereas Biden watches her (can't blame him for that) whenever Palin is talking.
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WINNER! PALIN! HANDS DOWN!
hands on, gets my vote too!
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I think the gal did a good job. I also commend the PBS clown for keeping it all even.Good debate and much better than the presidential one.
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Damn that would have been a good drinking game!
no shizzle.If there was another debats between them I would have to line up a party
:rofl
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Hangtime, vote for a Repub?
Mark the calendar!
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has anybody been keeping track how often Palin has said "maverick"
Yes the Mavrick thing was a bit much...but they both did good.
I like how Palin said "we will see tomorrow if what you said is true" or something to that effect
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Biden's needle just got stuck while he kept saying George Bush's. Who's he running against again?
She politely called him out on that several times. Saying let's move forward or something like that. I think they both did well. However, the closing statement by Palin had me clapping in my living room. Just superb.
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Yeah, I think she did ok. I don't think she should have brought Joe's son into though. It kind of bored me really. But you know, I like the two of them better than the other two
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the liberal talking heads are calling it a decisive win for Biden. Perhaps if you are a liberal. The big question is "is america a liberal nation" could be.
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There's no crying in debates with women, Joe.
Unless you happen to reference a dead wife and child. What a stupid thing to say by you, Hang. The guy lost a daughter and a wife.... and you give him crap about almost losing it.
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She took it to the people... I don't think the talking heads matter. She is keeping McCain in the game.
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Unless you happen to reference a dead wife and child. What a stupid thing to say by you, Hang. The guy lost a daughter and a wife.... and you give him crap about almost losing it.
Give it a rest...its been years. I in no way thought it was real.
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I'd say Biden did a little bit better. OTOH, she did WAY better than what one would expect from watching her inteviews with the I'm-looking-down-my-nose-at-you TV anchors.
So Biden beat her in this debate but I think she improved her image somewhat.
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Hangtime, vote for a Repub?
Mark the calendar!
LOL! I said she won the debate.. not that I'd vote for the vacuous airhead's ticket. Of course, all she had to do to 'win' was not look like a vacuous airhead. However, I think she's a better choice than Obama for any job in Washington.
;)
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She sucked. She was a robot who spouted bs that totally dodged all the questions. SHAME ON THAT MODERATOR FOR NOT CALLING HER OUT.
PALIN is a PUPPET.
Biden seemed very slicked up, doing better than OBAMA by far. I hate both parties, but Biden seemed at least with it.
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LOL moderator "what is your achillies heel?"
Palin>..... well I think my experience will be put to good use....I've done things with education, energy blah blah blah
QUESTION DODGER! QUESTION DODGER!
I'm calling shenanigans
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I'd say Biden did a little bit better. OTOH, she did WAY better than what one would expect from watching her inteviews with the I'm-looking-down-my-nose-at-you TV anchors.
So Biden beat her in this debate but I think she improved her image somewhat.
I agree Toad.....I just thought of who'd I would have like McCain to pick...Elizabeth Dole.
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Give it a rest...its been years. I in no way thought it was real.
I guess, if that's the way you see it. And I'm the one who people say is cold.
Who gives a rat's bellybutton how long it's been... The guy almost lost his entire family. At any point in a man's life that would still hurt.... no matter who you are. Your cynical athleticism aside... it's well know that Biden is emotional.
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I guess, if that's the way you see it. And I'm the one who people say is cold.
Who gives a rat's bellybutton how long it's been... The guy almost lost his entire family. At any point in a man's life that would still hurt.... no matter who you are. Your cynical athleticism aside... it's well know that Biden is emotional.
as emotional as say... a woman? hehehehhehe
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Palin was a bit nervous at first but loosened up as the debate went on. Biden was more polished. I'd give it to Biden on style but it's never been about style for me, rather about substance. I have a hard time understanding how there can be so many undecideds.
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Oh and btw Palin is rather attractive. I just always imagine her with a south park esque flopping canadian head. :(
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I think Biden won this one by a slight margin on his 25(?) years of experience as a US Senator. I also think Palin did VERY well for only being on the national stage for 5 weeks now.
Biden kept referencing Bush, I think that was a mistake on his part. I also think Palin's closing statement was better than Biden's.
All in all, a very good debate between these two and I'd have to say it was much better than the first presidential debate. They looked at each other more than Obama and McCain did.
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Certainly, Biden appeared more polished. On the other hand, he had all those debates during his disastrous run for the democratic nomination in which to practice.
Weren't his poll numbers back then in single digits?
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I got a kick out of during the introductions....you heard her ask..."May I call you Joe?"...thought that was classy.
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Honestly I feel like I'm watching a soccer mom arguing with a used car salesman.
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Honestly I feel like I'm watching a soccer mom arguing with a used car salesman.
lol :aok
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The VP debate will have very little effect on the race. However, here are some thoughts. Not original thoughts but thoughts on tonight's debate.
There were few surprises from Senator Biden. He showed he is a capable, experianced debater with a good command of the issues. He performed as we thought he would. There was little upside or downside for Biden, while for Palin this was all about validation. A Biden miscue and it might have been news for a few days. Whereas Governor Palin needed to save her reputation. And her performance may have slowed the downward slide that has been the McCain campaign for the last two weeks.
Countering Biden's experiance with platitudes and general answers worked to her strengths. She couldn't compete with his experiance or his command of the world stage. She provided enough information show that she had at least, better than a working knowledge of the issues. The issues became more of a backdrop as this debate was more about John McCain's judgement and Sarah Palin's competence.
Unless the Obama campaign does something stupid the McCain/Palin ticket will finish second in November and John McCain may retire but Sarah Palin may be on the national scene for quite awhile.
This was a good debate. Actually better than last weeks.
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Honestly I feel like I'm watching a soccer mom arguing with a used car salesman.
Dewd....it was a hockey mom vs a used car salesman, get it right man. :rock
:devil
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Dewd....it was a hockey mom vs a used car salesman, get it right man. :rock
:devil
Probably not too many moose hunting soccer moms.
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The VP debate will have very little effect on the race. However, here are some thoughts. Not original thoughts but thoughts on tonight's debate.
There were few surprises from Senator Biden. He showed he is a capable, experianced debater with a good command of the issues. He performed as we thought he would. There was little upside or downside for Biden, while for Palin this was all about validation. A Biden miscue and it might have been news for a few days. Whereas Governor Palin needed to save her reputation. And her performance may have slowed the downward slide that has been the McCain campaign for the last two weeks.
Countering Biden's experiance with platitudes and general answers worked to her strengths. She couldn't compete with his experiance or his command of the world stage. She provided enough information show that she had at least, better than a working knowledge of the issues. The issues became more of a backdrop as this debate was more about John McCain's judgement and Sarah Palin's competence.
Unless the Obama campaign does something stupid the McCain/Palin ticket will finish second in November and John McCain may retire but Sarah Palin may be on the national scene for quite awhile.
This was a good debate. Actually better than last weeks.
Dunno.. I saw her come back and hand him his head about the 'commanding general in Afghanistan.. says that surge tactics won't work'; LOL, she came back and de-constructed the statement in detail. Pretty impressive head popping and neck defecation, right there.
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So who had it right about General McKieman's comments on an Afghan surge?
U.S. general urges troop surge in Afghanistan
International Herald Tribune, The Associated PressPublished: October 1, 2008
'Surge' may not be enough in Afghanistan, commander says CNN 1 Oct
Both were apparently right but this is piffle. Arguing over this is distraction.
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Dunno.. I saw her come back and hand him his head about the 'commanding general in Afghanistan.. says that surge tactics won't work'; LOL, she came back and de-constructed the statement in detail. Pretty impressive head popping and neck defecation, right there.
Probably about the only point she actually got specific on.
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She couldn't compete with his experiance or his command of the world stage
Biden has been utterly WRONG about damn near EVERY foreign policy decision/opinion he's ever made/had, yet they never seem to mention that
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Dunno.. I saw her come back and hand him his head about the 'commanding general in Afghanistan.. says that surge tactics won't work'; LOL, she came back and de-constructed the statement in detail. Pretty impressive head popping and neck defecation, right there.
Too bad she didn't know the general that she was citing. Certainly was not McClellan, unless the Civil War is still on. She may want to come out with "What I meant to say was....McKeirnan".
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Too bad she didn't know the general that she was citing. Certainly was not McClellan, unless the Civil War is still on. She may want to come out with "What I meant to say was....McKeirnan".
Minor gaffe on her part. Gotta remember, she has only had 5 weeks to get all this down and she's doing pretty darn good considering that fact. ;)
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Probably about the only point she actually got specific on.
Dude.. he was attempting to mislead the public.. and in HIS area of expertise, she corrected him and made the point he was WRONG in his statement, and ripped up his reasoning and position.
Jeeze.. what, she's got tits, so she's incompetent? She didn't just 'win that point' it was a forehand smash he couldn't return.
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Dude.. he was attempting to mislead the public.. and in HIS area of expertise, she corrected him and made the point he was WRONG in his statement, and ripped up his reasoning and position.
Jeeze.. what, she's got tits, so she's incompetent? She didn't just 'win that point' it was a forehand smash he couldn't return.
Nah, it was more like a cast iron skillet to the back of his head. :D
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"Too bad she didn't know the general that she was citing. Certainly was not McClellan, unless the Civil War is still on. She may want to come out with "What I meant to say was....McKeirnan".
They both had minor speaking glitches... nothing to write home about on either side... heck I didn't think any of them were notable gaffes
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I really liked the foremat of this debate. It fostered civility, which was refreshing to see.
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I really liked the foremat of this debate. It fostered civility, which was refreshing to see.
So civility is somehow compromised by asking substantive follow-ups that don't let any candidate get away with totally evasive question answering?
The entire point of a debate is to make a point, not to make complete circles around the subject matter. I though I could see civility being important, but to this extent, it has become a nuisance to deal with, much like telling the"truth". They might as well talk in a coffee shop then, if they lower the point of a debate. I rather have cut throat talkers relay well backed info and truly accepting and countering the message.
(*thinks of Wylie Coyote and Road Runner*switch to situation now.)
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LOL moderator "what is your achillies heel?"
Palin>..... well I think my experience will be put to good use....I've done things with education, energy blah blah blah
QUESTION DODGER! QUESTION DODGER!
I'm calling shenanigans
When you grow up and go for a job interview you'd do well to answer exactly as she did when asked what is your weakness. Do you really want to tell someone why they shouldn't hire or vote for you?
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I'd say Biden did a little bit better. OTOH, she did WAY better than what one would expect from watching her inteviews with the I'm-looking-down-my-nose-at-you TV anchors.
So Biden beat her in this debate but I think she improved her image somewhat.
You almost quoted word for word what I heard on the way home listening to local radio.
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Well... I thought the evening was a general FAIL on the part of Palin, Biden, and Ifil.
Ifil: No followup questions and no "hey wait a minute you didn't answer my question." Both candidates got away with going straight to their "flashcard answers" ....
Palin: Everytime she claimed McCain meant something different about "fundamentals of the economy" than what the phrase actually means -- I wanted to slap her. Otherwise, 90% of her talk was what I expected her to do: platitudes, mom, apple pie, and a bit of populism (get the greedy lenders.... um, banking scandals are not exactly off the rap sheet for Republicans?). Some points for complete sentences for a change.
Biden: Missed many opportunities he was so busy going for his own "flashcard answers". Far too sedate .... Palin spent more of the debate sounding passionate even when she wasn't actually saying anything..
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I only watched the first 30 min due to the playoffs, but I thought Palin keep dodging the questions, like when Biden was talking about deregulation's that McCain had pushed for, and how he wants to do it with the health care system, twice the moderator asked if she had a response to it and she dodged it.
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My point exactly...she was like a lukewarm brick treading water in the deep end. People are all happy and shiz cause she didn't blow it? LOL FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!
The Lovable Ole Maverick? What have you done?!
Do you think this woman could really fill Mac's shoes if he dies? * NO FN WAY.
* it's sad but it is a contingency. God Bless America
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When you grow up and go for a job interview you'd do well to answer exactly as she did when asked what is your weakness. Do you really want to tell someone why they shouldn't hire or vote for you?
I'm all grown up and have a job. I'd fabricate somethin at least like JB and his too much passion remarks. :) . She dodged the question by not even responding to it. I'd be less apt to hire someone who was so lukewarm as to not even respond in the same hemisphere as to what I asked them.
sorry for the double post it's late LOL! Politics are so vile yet interesting....like watching a car wreck over and over again in slow mo.
looking more like Liberals are gonna get this one.
conservatives pray Bobby Gendal is the next RR :)
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I thought Biden's sob was fake. I don't think he 'almost lost it'. I think he almost 'pulled it off'.
Maybe I'm just a callous bastard, but it struck me as calculated.
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I'm sorry for his loss that sucks man..... :frown:
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I thought Biden's sob was fake. I don't think he 'almost lost it'. I think he almost 'pulled it off'.
Maybe I'm just a callous bastard, but it struck me as calculated.
You're a callous bastard. You don't know his pain.
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You're a callous bastard. You don't know his pain.
'never question a mans motivation. question his judgment.'
Biden is a 40 year professional politician (aka snake oil salesman). if that wasn't contrived, then the guy's judgment is definitely questionable. vis-a-vis if it was contrived, then it's political soap opera as usual for 'just plain Joe.'
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Minor gaffe on her part. Gotta remember, she has only had 5 weeks to get all this down and she's doing pretty darn good considering that fact. ;)
If she wasn't certain of his name, then it would have been very easy to just use "our general in Iraq", instead of attempting to be specific. She was attempting to gain credibility with a name drop, and therefore should lose such if she "drops the wrong name".
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I thought Biden's sob was fake. I don't think he 'almost lost it'. I think he almost 'pulled it off'.
Maybe I'm just a callous bastard, but it struck me as calculated.
I am no biden fan but I'd never say that an emotional reaction to a reflection on a lost wife & child were fake... If it was... it will eventually come back and bite him on the butt.
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I was somewhat concerned that the moderator would be bias. However, I felt she did a good job walking within bounds of being professional.
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if the libs in the media gave the first one to obama, they have to give this one to Palin
but of course they will not, they'll just change the scoring criteria...
too bad FDR speaking on tv in 1929 man of the world joe's statement about McCain not voting for the surge with a timetable was never clarified that he, McCain DID vote FOR it as soon as the timeline was removed whereas the socialist obamaman NEVER voted for it and if we had followed obamamans strategy, Iraq would be in the books as Vietnam II..like the left was/is hoping for all along..
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Here is the specific transcript (since the section is pretty self-explanatory), and highlight where Biden became emotional:
IFILL: Let's talk conventional wisdom for a moment. The conventional wisdom, Governor Palin with you, is that your Achilles heel is that you lack experience. Your conventional wisdom against you is that your Achilles heel is that you lack discipline, Senator Biden. What id it really for you, Governor Palin? What is it really for you, Senator Biden? Start with you, governor.
PALIN: My experience as an executive will be put to good use as a mayor and business owner and oil and gas regulator and then as governor of a huge state, a huge energy producing state that is accounting for much progress towards getting our nation energy independence and that's extremely important.
But it wasn't just that experience tapped into, it was my connection to the heartland of America. Being a mom, one very concerned about a son in the war, about a special needs child, about kids heading off to college, how are we going to pay those tuition bills? About times and Todd and our marriage in our past where we didn't have health insurance and we know what other Americans are going through as they sit around the kitchen table and try to figure out how are they going to pay out-of-pocket for health care? We've been there also so that connection was important.
But even more important is that world view that I share with John McCain. That world view that says that America is a nation of exceptionalism. And we are to be that shining city on a hill, as President Reagan so beautifully said, that we are a beacon of hope and that we are unapologetic here. We are not perfect as a nation. But together, we represent a perfect ideal. And that is democracy and tolerance and freedom and equal rights. Those things that we stand for that can be put to good use as a force for good in this world.
John McCain and I share that. You combine all that with being a team with the only track record of making a really, a difference in where we've been and reforming, that's a good team, it's a good ticket.
IFILL: Senator?
BIDEN: You're very kind suggesting my only Achilles Heel is my lack of discipline.
BIDEN: Others talk about my excessive passion. I'm not going to change. I have 35 years in public office. People can judge who I am. I haven't changed in that time.
And, by the way, a record of change -- I will place my record and Barack's record against John McCain's or anyone else in terms of fundamental accomplishments. Wrote the crime bill, put 100,000 cops on the street, wrote the Violence Against Women Act, which John McCain voted against both of them, was the catalyst to change the circumstance in Bosnia, led by President Clinton, obviously.
Look, I understand what it's like to be a single parent. When my wife and daughter died and my two sons were gravely injured, I understand what it's like as a parent to wonder what it's like if your kid's going to make it.
I understand what it's like to sit around the kitchen table with a father who says, "I've got to leave, champ, because there's no jobs here. I got to head down to Wilmington. And when we get enough money, honey, we'll bring you down."
I understand what it's like. I'm much better off than almost all Americans now. I get a good salary with the United States Senate. I live in a beautiful house that's my total investment that I have. So I -- I am much better off now.
But the notion that somehow, because I'm a man, I don't know what it's like to raise two kids alone, I don't know what it's like to have a child you're not sure is going to -- is going to make it -- I understand.
I understand, as well as, with all due respect, the governor or anybody else, what it's like for those people sitting around that kitchen table. And guess what? They're looking for help. They're looking for help. They're not looking for more of the same.
This point (in fact Biden's entire answer) was considered by almost everyone (on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC) as the highlight of the night, and it was the point that won over many independent voters (at least from the CNN viewer response indicators, which received the highest numbers for this answer).
Just to make a brief comment on those CNN indicators, it seems no one in Ohio (amongst the 33 democrats, republicans and independents) really responded to Palin's "folksy" mannerisms, since the indicators generally showed a disfavourable rating whenever she resorted to speaking in such a manner.
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Palin mentioned 2 words you will never hear from a democrat, Personal Responsibility. Those scored high with the polls.
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common street-level democrats are scratching their heads, confused, now unsure what talking points to spout about Palin... waiting anxiously for more celebrity opinions to tell them what to think.
but the smart democrats and progressives are more worried than before. They see a brave, honorable woman with strong inner strengh, a woman with a quick mind who can think on her feet under intense pressure, who also has that uncanny charismatic ability to connect with the masses.
They are probably most panicked by the knowledge that this woman can be tough without being a boner shrinker, and she will be bringing it to the people non-stop until election day...
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Palin mentioned 2 words you will never hear from a democrat, Personal Responsibility. Those scored high with the polls.
High?
Thats a gross understatement if there ever was one.
That graphical line indicator CNN was running went through the roof during that entire portion when Palin was speaking.
Unfortunately that was fairly early in the debate.
She didnt include it in her closing statement. Which was good. But would have been even better had she.
Though I beleive this is an area the McCain ticket can steal from Obama. (he's used the same line) and run with.
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what was funny was that cnn and fox's "indepenent" groups come up with exact opposite results. I wonder how they picked the swing voters. I did notice cnn had more minorities.
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The opening punch was a little before the first round bell rang, but it was a doozey.
"Can I call you Joe?"
I`m pretty sure it went over a lot of heads, but not Snooze Control Biden`s.
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You almost quoted word for word what I heard on the way home listening to local radio.
So some sumwenches down in Texas are following what I post here and using it without paying me? I need ot check the timeline on this, if I was first, they OWE me! :noid :mad:
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Old slo joe spoke about as well as he ever has... he used a woman democrat governor to practice debate on all week so he wouldn't wet his pants or ask some cripple in the audience to "stand up".
The point was.. no matter how well he said it.. everything he wanted was something I didn't want. Everything he accomplished was something I wished he hadn't.
His smile his tears... he is a snake career politician.. of course it was fake.. there is nothing real about the man.
One example that I couldn't believe Palin let slide (for the most part) was slo joe saying that Mccain voted against giving money to support the troops "just because it came with a timetable for surrender"
lazs
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Palin is a moron and a liar, just as many of the republicans are, she is a disgrace to John McCain.
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I'm a moron and a liar, just as many of my acquaintances are, and I'm a disgrace to the human race.
Fixed! :aok
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Palin is as smart as a paper clip. :aok
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If she wasn't certain of his name, then it would have been very easy to just use "our general in Iraq", instead of attempting to be specific. She was attempting to gain credibility with a name drop, and therefore should lose such if she "drops the wrong name".
Agreed
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Palin is as smart as a paper clip. :aok
Skyrock...your stirring the pot again aren't you?? Go play your six string
and stop trying to get a rise outta people.
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I'm as smart as a paper clip.
Fixed! :aok
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Skyrock...your stirring the pot again aren't you?? Go play your six string
and stop trying to get a rise outta people.
Here's SkyCrock and his six string... :D :D :D
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z20/clanque/deliverance_banjo.jpg)
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Am I the only person that heard Biden mention that he was very rich because he was a Senator, said he'd been one for 25 years, and that was how he could understand where the working class came from? :huh
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Am I the only person that heard Biden mention that he was very rich because he was a Senator, said he'd been one for 25 years, and that was how he could understand where the working class came from? :huh
more of that "change" obamaman must be speaking he's going to bring to DC
LOL LOL LOL
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Palin is smarter than stye puss. :aok
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Anyone notice that she said "nuculer" instead of "nuclear" and "blender" instead of "blunder". Does this remind you of anyone?
Also, when talking about global warming, she basically stated that the reasons for it aren't important. How are you going to fight global warming when you don't know the reasons? The reasons are the most important thing. Gosh.....she is a moron.
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My winkie is infected with puss.
Fixed! :aok
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Anyone notice that she said "nuculer" instead of "nuclear" and "blender" instead of "blunder". Does this remind you of anyone?
Also, when talking about global warming, she basically stated that the reasons for it aren't important. How are you going to fight global warming when you don't know the reasons? The reasons are the most important thing. Gosh.....she is a moron.
Do you know the reasons? And have facts to back them up?
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Anyone notice that she said "nuculer" instead of "nuclear" and "blender" instead of "blunder". Does this remind you of anyone?
Also, when talking about global warming, she basically stated that the reasons for it aren't important. How are you going to fight global warming when you don't know the reasons? The reasons are the most important thing. Gosh.....she is a moron.
Shes a cross between W bush and the church lady! As moron as they come. :aok
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I'm as moronic as they come.
Fixed! :aok
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Am I the only person that heard Biden mention that he was very rich because he was a Senator, said he'd been one for 25 years, and that was how he could understand where the working class came from? :huh
Biden's declared income was just over 300k. Most of his net worth is tied up in his house. Their financial ranking would probably be McCain 5 million(not counting wife), Obama 1.5 million?, Biden 300k+, Palin 200k+.
It all doesn't matter. By the end of the day the news will be about the House vote on the porkbarrel bailout.
"Shes a cross between W bush and the church lady! As moronic as they come" Don't underestimate her. She will probably be back in 2012.
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Fixed! :aok
Skyrock......looks like you have a new ankle humper. You must have really strong legs :rofl :rofl
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Anyone notice that she said "nuculer" instead of "nuclear" and "blender" instead of "blunder". Does this remind you of anyone?
Also, when talking about global warming, she basically stated that the reasons for it aren't important. How are you going to fight global warming when you don't know the reasons? The reasons are the most important thing. Gosh.....she is a moron.
No worse than Biden's response. "I know it's man made." Now that is a moronic statement.
BTW I'm sure where ever you are from your accent would probably sound funny to others around the country.
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Skyrock......can I hump your ankle?. You must have really strong legs
Fixed! :aok
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Nuculer......fast forward to 2:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBc-B9CQ9Dg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBc-B9CQ9Dg)
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No worse than Biden's response. "I know it's man made." Now that is a moronic statement.
BTW I'm sure where ever you are from your accent would probably sound funny to others around the country.
I am from Nebraska. We have no accents. That is why we have so many telemarketing businesses here.
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I like Biden, quite a bit, actually; as much as he's an elitist Washington roots-on-his-feet-with-his-tail-firmly-planted-in-a-Capitol-seat kind of guy ~ I do like him. He's out of touch with anyone normal though. His feeble efforts about 'the town that I grew up in' or the 'guys down in whichever city' just don't do it.
The great appeal about Palin is that she's not an elitist. She's everyday-regular-kinda-folk. She hasn't removed the regular-gal words from her vocabulary ~ she's not so high above the rest of us that she's out of touch. And that's why the 'feminists' hate her so much ~ because she has poise & grace without being elite.
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I like Biden, quite a bit, actually; as much as he's an elitist Washington roots-on-his-feet-with-his-tail-firmly-planted-in-a-Capitol-seat kind of guy ~ I do like him. He's out of touch with anyone normal though. His feeble efforts about 'the town that I grew up in' or the 'guys down in whichever city' just don't do it.
Gotta love America. A place where the stuttering son of a car salesman can become elite by force of will.
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Yep, he's done extremely well for himself. A shining example for other democrats to follow while they're sitting on their tails collecting welfare & waiting for the government to take care of them.
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Yep, he's done extremely well for himself. A shining example for other democrats to follow while they're sitting on their tails collecting welfare & waiting for the government to take care of them.
Nice one! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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The great appeal about Palin is that she's not an elitist. She's everyday-regular-kinda-folk. She hasn't removed the regular-gal words from her vocabulary ~ she's not so high above the rest of us that she's out of touch. And that's why the 'feminists' hate her so much ~ because she has poise & grace without being elite.
Remember the last time we chose a president we most wanted to have a beer with? That went really well didn't it? I think the office of the president should go to someone who is smarter than the average person. I don't want an everyday joe schmo to hold the most powerful position in the world. That makes no sense to me. I don't want some unqualified, illiterate, self proclaimed "hockey-mom" being one step away from POTUS. She is terrible.
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Remember the last time we chose a president we most wanted to have a beer with? That went really well didn't it? I think the office of the president should go to someone who is smarter than the average person. I don't want an everyday joe schmo to hold the most powerful position in the world. That makes no sense to me. I don't want some unqualified, illiterate, self proclaimed "hockey-mom" being one step away from POTUS. She is terrible.
Yeah, that's it! Let's get someone who can't relate to the regular average person... :rolleyes:
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Remember the last time we chose a president we most wanted to have a beer with? That went really well didn't it? I think the office of the president should go to someone who is smarter than the average person. I don't want an everyday joe schmo to hold the most powerful position in the world. That makes no sense to me. I don't want some unqualified, illiterate, self proclaimed "hockey-mom" being one step away from POTUS. She is terrible.
And Obammy is this person? :rolleyes:
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Yeah, that's it! Let's get someone who can't relate to the regular average person... :rolleyes:
So smart people can't relate to average people? I didn't say that at all. I just think the POTUS is a position that should be held by the extraordinary.
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And Obammy is this person? :rolleyes:
Well here is his resume:
-B.A. Political Science with specialization in international relations
Thesis topic: Soviet nuclear disarmament
-J.D. magna cum laude 1988-1991
-President, Harvard Law Review
-1983-1984 Writer/Researcher for Business International Corporation. Helped companies understand overseas markets in the “Financing Foreign Operations” service and wrote for the “Business International Money Report”
-1984-1985 Community Organizer for New York Public Interest Research Group (PIRG), promoting personal, community, and government reform at City College in Harlem.
-1985-1988 Director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland on Chicago's South Side. While director grew the DCP staff from 1 to 13 and their budget from $70,000 to $400,000.
-1992 Led Chicago's Project Vote! push. This effort resulted in a record number of voter registrations, over 600,000 in Chicago.
-1993-2004 Visiting Law and Government Fellow, then Senior Lecturer, in Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School. Taught courses on the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law, on voting rights, and on racism and law. Helped develop a casebook on voting rights.
-1993-2002 Worked as an associate attorney with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Represented non-profits and private individuals in urban development projects, voting rights cases, and wrongful firings. Filed major suit that forced the state of Illinois to enforce the Motor Voter Law and successfully argued a wrongful firing case before the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.
-1996-2004 Illinois Senate
-2004-Present US Senate
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No good points huh?
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So he has no real job experience. Who was paying his food, electric and housing bills?
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Give it a rest...its been years. I in no way thought it was real.
you have never lost a child then... the pain never goes away
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So he has no real job experience. Who was paying his food, electric and housing bills?
define "real job"
good luck not sounding silly after what you just said.
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That makes no sense to me. I don't want some unqualified, illiterate, self proclaimed "hockey-mom" being one step away from POTUS. She is terrible.
I'm sorry 24, stuff "making sense" to you sounds like a personal problem that you'll have to figure out on your own how to work through. She's not unqualified or illiterate. Being a hockey-mom is a plus, not a minus. She's not terrible, and you lost all credibility when you started posting "Jonus" fan-club stuff. I like you kid, but I hope that by the time you're old enough to vote you actually use your brain & not your heart to think.
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I'm sorry 24, stuff "making sense" to you sounds like a personal problem that you'll have to figure out on your own how to work through. She's not unqualified or illiterate. Being a hockey-mom is a plus, not a minus. She's not terrible, and you lost all credibility when you started posting "Jonus" fan-club stuff. I like you kid, but I hope that by the time you're old enough to vote you actually use your brain & not your heart to think.
I wish, particularly when I'm aggravated, I had the tact and insight and the eloquence displayed so clearly here, and on my TV screen last night.
Never underestimate a competent female.
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Nevermind, not in good taste.
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I didn't get to see most of it last night, but I did see the aftermath on fox news. Did anybody else see the interview Hannity & Colmes did with FL Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D)? Sean Hannity made her look like a fool, talk about someone incompetent being elected to Congress. My grandma lives in FL and I dearly hope she is not her representative.
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I'm sorry 24, stuff "making sense" to you sounds like a personal problem that you'll have to figure out on your own how to work through. She's not unqualified or illiterate. Being a hockey-mom is a plus, not a minus. She's not terrible, and you lost all credibility when you started posting "Jonus" fan-club stuff. I like you kid, but I hope that by the time you're old enough to vote you actually use your brain & not your heart to think.
She's not qualified, and shes not well educated on the important topics. :aok
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I'm not qualified to participate on this forum because I'm not well educated on the important topics.
Fixed! :aok
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Jaged, give it a rest, your like the kid in school running around with a booger on his finger trying to get attention.
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I think I see a theme developing here...
:noid
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Jaged, give it a rest, your like the kid in school running around with a booger on his finger trying to get attention.
I take it as my job to correct his trolling posts. I can do the same for you too if you'd like...
Here, fixed! :aok
Jaged, too funny, like when I was in school running around with a booger on my finger trying to get attention.
Funny how you don't think SkyJock needs to give it a rest. I will rest when he does...
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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I'm sorry 24, stuff "making sense" to you sounds like a personal problem that you'll have to figure out on your own how to work through. She's not unqualified or illiterate. Being a hockey-mom is a plus, not a minus. She's not terrible, and you lost all credibility when you started posting "Jonus" fan-club stuff. I like you kid, but I hope that by the time you're old enough to vote you actually use your brain & not your heart to think.
I'm coincidentally 24 yrs old. So I'm definitely old enough to vote. The whole Jonas Brothers thread is a joke....I think it's hilarious that there are so many pages that you all responded to. I pride my self in taking stances contrary to the environment I'm in..... just a personal hobby that is entertaining to me. Most of you guys are shear entertainment for me. The O'Club is nothing but a joke :aok
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I'm coincidentally 24 yrs old. So I'm definitely old enough to vote. The whole Jonas Brothers thread is a joke....I think it's hilarious that there are so many pages that you all responded to. I pride my self in taking stances contrary to the environment I'm in..... just a personal hobby that is entertaining to me. Most of you guys are shear entertainment for me. The O'Club is nothing but a joke :aok
Shade? SkyCrock = TwentyFo?
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Shade? SkyCrock = TwentyFo?
That's an insult to skyrock....and that's saying something.
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Jaged=moron. :aok
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I'm such an fluff'n moron.
Fixed! :aok
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Im a drag queen.
yup! :aok
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Can't wait to hook up with my prison buddies!
Fixed! :aok
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I like sitting here ---------------> :aok
sicko!
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I'm such a sicko! Can't you all see me desperate pleas for help?
Fixed! :aok
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SkyRock, if you don't love me I'm going to kill myself.
Wal-mart has shotguns on sale.
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Wal-mart has shotguns on sale. I may get one and solve my problem once and for. I told you guys I need help!
Fixed! :aok
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I wish, particularly when I'm aggravated, I had the tact and insight and the eloquence displayed so clearly here, and on my TV screen last night.
Never underestimate a competent female.
On that note, I'd like to see if you guys (and gal) think that this piece rings' true:
Why Some Women Hate Sarah Palin By BELINDA LUSCOMBE
Fri Oct 3, 5:55 AM ET
Some polls are suggesting that after gaining an initial bump, McCain's campaign is being hobbled by Sarah Palin's vice-presidential candidacy. The voters who are deserting her fastest, some of whom are even calling on her to withdraw, are mostly women.
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Ah, women, the consistently, tragically underestimated constituency. What the Democrats learned during the primaries and the Republicans might now be finding out the hard way, I learned at my very academic, well-regarded all-girls high school: that is never to discount the ability of women to open a robust, committed, well-thought-out vat of hatred for another girl.
Women are weapons-grade haters. Hillary Clinton knows it. Palin knows it too. When women get their hate on, they don't just dislike, or find disfavor with, or sort of not really appreciate. They loathe - deeply, richly, sustainingly. I do not say this to disparage my gender; women also love in more or less the same way.
When men disagree, the steps to resolution are reasonably clear and unsophisticated. Acts of physical violence are visited upon one another's person or property, and the whole thing blows over. Women? Nu-unh. We savor the discord. We draw it out. We share our contempt with our friends, like a useful stock tip, or really good salsa. And then we all go hate together: a mutually encouraging group activity for when the book group gets quiet.
The hatred women have for Sarah Palin, and others had for Hillary before her, is not necessarily about politics. Anybody can run the numbers on how many people Palin's pro-life, pro-gun, socially conservative policies will seduce and how many they will alienate. Rather, the test that the McCain campaign failed to put her through was the Abbotsleigh Ladies College test. (Named after my high school. Go, green and gold!). It's a simple three-point pass-fail exam: Will the other girls like her?
Here's why Palin doesn't make the grade:
1. She's too pretty. This is very bad news. At school, pretty girls tend to be liked only by other pretty girls. The rest of us, whose looks hover somewhere around underwhelming, resent them and whisper archly of their "unearned attention." So, if everyone calls your candidate "hot," you're in a whole mess of trouble. If the Pakistani head-of-state more or less hits on her, well, yes, she'll get a sympathy vote, but we're in Dukakis-in-the-tank territory. It's an admiration vaporizer. (Of course a candidate can't be too ugly, or it will scare the men, who are clearly shallow as a gender.)
2. She's too confident. This also bodes ill. Women have self-esteem issues. But they also have other-women's-esteem issues. As almost any woman - from the head of the Budgerigar Breeders association to Queen Elizabeth - can attest, it's almost impossible to get confidence right. Too timid and you're a pushover. Too self-aggrandizing and you're a bad word unless it's about a dog, or Project Runway's Kenley. Or Michelle, my best friend until 9th grade, after she won that debating prize and got cocky.
3. She could embarrass us. History is not on Palin's side. Every time a woman gets a plum job, be she Hewlett-Packard's ex-boss, Carly Fiorina, or CBS's Katie Couric, there's always that whispery fear that people will think she got the job just because she's a woman. So if things don't go well - and a couple of YouTube clips have suggested that they're certainly not going well for Palin - women are the first to turn on her for making it harder for the rest of us to louse up at work.
The fact of the matter is once a female decides it's over with another female, it's like an end-stage marriage. No matter how seemingly benign, every attribute becomes an affront: the hair, the voice, the husband, the moose-shooting, the glasses, the big family, the making rape victims pay for their own rape test kits.
I know, I know. With all this extra baggage a female candidate has to bear, the chances of finding a woman whom other women won't hate seem skinnier than last year's jeans. But don't despair, if all else fails, we could just do what we always do and just vote in some guy. It's worked so well for us in the past.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081003/us_time/whysomewomenhatesarahpalin;_ylt=Atn68jYEafAAmECHrbA5LypH2ocA (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081003/us_time/whysomewomenhatesarahpalin;_ylt=Atn68jYEafAAmECHrbA5LypH2ocA)
It just suddenly made me startingly realize that my wife seems' to be susceptible to this...especially when she and her friends (other moms) on my kids' football teams' talk about other women there, like the Official team mom, or something...
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Got home late after a 4 day trip, and had to watch the debate on Tivo. Biden sure got a lot of stuff wrong.
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FrodeMk3
sounds like a generalization of insecure women - lifetime members of NOW?
http://www.now.org/ (http://www.now.org/)
odds are if they feel that way, they are obamaman supporters so all creditably stops there
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lol
In?
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Palin mentioned 2 words you will never hear from a democrat, Personal Responsibility. Those scored high with the polls.
What? That statement doesn't seem to have any basis in reality.
"An Unscripted Barack Obama Preaches Personal Responsibility In Texas"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhil...m_b_89127.html
Cincinatti Crowd applauds Obama's call for personal responsibility
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politic...bama15.article
"Barack Obama is telling Black people when he says they need to take more “responsibility” for their lives."
http://revcom.us/a/138/CD_personal_r...bility-en.html
"And Democrats, we must also admit that fulfilling America's promise will require more than just money. It will require a renewed sense of responsibility from each of us to recover what John F. Kennedy called our "intellectual and moral strength." Yes, government must lead on energy independence, but each of us must do our part to make our homes and businesses more efficient. Yes, we must provide more ladders to success for young men who fall into lives of crime and despair. But we must also admit that programs alone can't replace parents; that government can't turn off the television and make a child do her homework; that fathers must take more responsibility for providing the love and guidance their children need." - Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention Pres. nomination acceptance speech
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you have never lost a child then... the pain never goes away
Never said there wasn't pain....so don't put words in my mouth. I held my moms hand when she took her last breath after caring for her for 16 months. 3-5 trips to the doctors every week. Lifting her in and out of bed. Don't come telling me about loss.
I said I didn't think it was real. It's my opinion. I'm sure the man feels pain and has times when he feels very very low about it. But on a national stage , in the most important debate he's been in...it was a golden lob shot she hit at him and he did his best to hit a smash back at her with the tears.
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Is SkyRock actually an educator by profession? I mean, a Teacher in the Public School System?
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Is SkyRock actually an educator by profession? I mean, a Teacher in the Public School System?
Scarey huh :eek:
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Well, if he/she is, it certainly explains why today's youngsters cannot think for themselves, or hold onto a job, nor take responsibilty for their actions.
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Well, if he/she is, it certainly explains why today's youngsters cannot think for themselves, or hold onto a job, nor take responsibilty for their actions.
Funny, all along I've considered that my responsibility as a parent! And take any of today's youngsters failures as DIRECTLY attributable to their parents.
Always looking to blame someone else it seems.....
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I'm not blaming anyone, Stringer. I'm pointing out that a public educator (if it is true) is acting, and posting, in a very unprofessional manner.
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seems that many on the left don't want their politicians or other public servants practicing or acknowledging any religion. How about we apply the same to teachers in regards to politics? Public funded teachers are no longer allowed to have political opinions. :aok
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Just for the record, Stringer, parent to parent, have you (or did you) raise a special needs child who suffered from ODD?
I've always accepted my responsibilities and actions as a parent and I know from experience how the public education system can easily write off a single child and I combated that system all throughout my child's schooling.
My post wasn't about personal issues, but rather, a query about a public official making inane posts. If you wish to make this personal, and wish to discuss my personal virtues as a parent, or, ODD and the Public Education System, then make a separate thread.
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So civility is somehow compromised by asking substantive follow-ups that don't let any candidate get away with totally evasive question answering?
The entire point of a debate is to make a point, not to make complete circles around the subject matter. I though I could see civility being important, but to this extent, it has become a nuisance to deal with, much like telling the"truth". They might as well talk in a coffee shop then, if they lower the point of a debate. I rather have cut throat talkers relay well backed info and truly accepting and countering the message.
(*thinks of Wylie Coyote and Road Runner*switch to situation now.)
Did your parents just type that?
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Never said there wasn't pain....so don't put words in my mouth. I held my moms hand when she took her last breath after caring for her for 16 months. 3-5 trips to the doctors every week. Lifting her in and out of bed. Don't come telling me about loss.
I said I didn't think it was real. It's my opinion. I'm sure the man feels pain and has times when he feels very very low about it. But on a national stage , in the most important debate he's been in...it was a golden lob shot she hit at him and he did his best to hit a smash back at her with the tears.
The pain of losing a spouse fades over the years, losing a child, not so much. I have no doubt he still feels genuine pain. Whether he brought it forth as manipulation may be in question but I think his expression was relevant to his point.
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Just for the record, Stringer, parent to parent, have you (or did you) raise a special needs child who suffered from ODD?
I've always accepted my responsibilities and actions as a parent and I know from experience how the public education system can easily write off a single child and I combated that system all throughout my child's schooling.
My post wasn't about personal issues, but rather, a query about a public official making inane posts. If you wish to make this personal, and wish to discuss my personal virtues as a parent, or, ODD and the Public Education System, then make a separate thread.
Your post stands above and you did make a general statement. I can requote it for you , if you like.
I called you on it. Now you're trying to define it a little more...fine. BTW...you're the one taking it personal.....and who seems to have made it personal with regards to SkyRock...Maybe you should have taken it to another thread to begin with...hmmm?
Yes, I have a child that requires extra work and attention, and has been diagnosed with a disorder as well.
Maybe we're lucky...Our public school system here and their teachers work really hard with the kids and their parents. Our school system also works hard at mainstreaming kids with issues or disabilities, which actually helps all the children, IMO.
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Stringer,
It's really irrelevant where one person or another works during the daytime ~ and how or where they choose to post. And it's a little Charlie-Gibson-staring-down-the-nose as well. Are you concerned that he's not capable of separating one from another and teaching your child in the manner that he's popping stuff off on here?
His remarks here (no matter how RIDICULOUS they may be) shouldn't necessarily be used as a gauge to determine if he's teaching the children in his class in that same manner... or likewise "writing them off."
Your post was actually about personal issues, in conflict with what you claim right up there^^^^.
SR, you're still a liberal twit. :)
*edit* "public official???" WTF... SR, if you're running for an office, I ain't voting for you. But post away.
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She's not qualified, and shes not well educated on the important topics. :aok
Sounds about like Obama. But just like Obama, once either ticket makes it they'll be able to seek advice & guidance from those who know better than they do. One difference here, though, is the Obama's supposed to be in the drivers seat, and Palin's just in the passenger seat.
Sorry, TwentyFo, that meager resume you posted of Obamas is worthless. I've got no confidence that he'll do anything noteworthy if he's elected.
If that happens it will, however, provide opportunity to say some of the best four words in the English language:
"I TOLD YOU SO."
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Sounds about like Obama. But just like Obama, once either ticket makes it they'll be able to seek advice & guidance from those who know better than they do. One difference here, though, is the Obama's supposed to be in the drivers seat, and Palin's just in the passenger seat.
Sorry, TwentyFo, that meager resume you posted of Obamas is worthless. I've got no confidence that he'll do anything noteworthy if he's elected.
If that happens it will, however, provide opportunity to say some of the best four words in the English language:
"I TOLD YOU SO."
Good point Mom....
I was told once by a manager in the IT department where I have been for 17 years now , when I asked him if he could IPL the mainframe.....his answer was....
"No...but then again I don't have to know...but I better DAMN sure have the people around me that CAN and understand what they're doing when they do it."
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Texasmom,
Not sure what you mean with your where someone works during the daytime...I don't think I made any reference about that.
And I didn't start the post about personal issues...that was Patches..he asked me a question and I answered it. You sure you don't mean to address your post to him and not me?
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poor old skyrock has simply gone bananas. Its called O'Club syndrome and it typically afflicts people of good intentions but having a discernible lack of common sense. Hence the childish anti social behavior where everyone else is a "moron".
I think he will get over it, sort of like a coming of age, and old skyrock will be back in the O'Club again having fun. If not, he will just quit and reappear shortly under some other identity, carrying on with the O'Club syndrome, trying to get even with all those "morons" and generally adding nothing of value to the community.
Like I said, I think he will improve. DO IT FOR THE KIDS SKYROCK :aok
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poor old skyrock has simply gone bananas. Its called O'Club syndrome and it typically afflicts people of good intentions but having a discernible lack of common sense. Hence the childish anti social behavior where everyone else is a "moron".
I think he will get over it, sort of like a coming of age, and old skyrock will be back in the O'Club again having fun. If not, he will just quit and reappear shortly under some other identity, carrying on with the O'Club syndrome, trying to get even with all those "morons" and generally adding nothing of value to the community.
Like I said, I think he will improve. DO IT FOR THE KIDS SKYROCK :aok
He's been that way for years, I don't foresee a change anytime soon.