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Title: Need help with viruses.
Post by: 1pLUs44 on October 03, 2008, 05:00:23 PM
We have viruses on our computer. They dont really seem to be ON our computer, as AVG wont get rid of them because it says that they arent on there. But when we open up Internet Explorer, they start popping up with the 'zOMG! ATTENTION, YOU GOT VIRUSES, DOWNLOAD OUR VIRUSES TO GET RID OF THEIRS, OTHERWISE, WE'LL KEEP POPPING UP TO PISS YOU OFF!11!!!!!111!!'


Which, as you know gets annoying. I'm running IE with 'Add - Ons Disabled' which I assume means I cannot download Mozilla Firefox, but I'll still give it a try.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Ghosth on October 03, 2008, 05:03:12 PM
Lose IE, get firefox.

You don't have virus's, you have web sites or malware trying to scare you into buying their product.

Firefox can quickly be setup so that web pages can't start programs, open new windows, & pull all that crap.

Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Skuzzy on October 03, 2008, 05:07:13 PM
IE can also be configured to deal with it as well.  Just FYI.

Ghosth is correct.  Those are just activex popups trying to scare you into clicking on those links, and then your computer will have real viruses after that.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: 1pLUs44 on October 03, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
Yea, I just busted my butt for the past hour trying to download it. I have Mozilla Firefox now. Because of my security settings that would allow me to get places w/o popups, I couldn't download it. :(

But I got it downloaded now :rock


Thnx. I really need to check my Email.

(It was wierd, because we never had this type of trouble before. But Oh well. fixed!.)
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: NHawk on October 03, 2008, 05:24:06 PM
If it starts up again, look up Vundo. Most Virus detectors don't detect it, nor can they remove it easily.

Symantec Security Response (http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2004-112111-3912-99)

This one removes it automatically...
VundoFix by Atribune (http://www.atribune.org/ccount/click.php?id=4)

I would do it anyway because it's sitting and lurking on your system.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Hungry on October 03, 2008, 05:37:51 PM
and if Vundo doesnt get it look up SDFix
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 04, 2008, 11:15:04 AM
Try running the eset online scanner, it's free and quite effective. http://www.eset.com/onlinescan/

Needs IE and activex. Scary example in itself what IE can do with your system.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 04, 2008, 07:55:10 PM
Also try changing your homepage.
It may have been changed to a site that gives you the popups.
Used to happen to me sometimes when I used to use IE alot
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Denholm on October 06, 2008, 09:53:55 AM
Sorry for another suggestion. Here's a scanner that will probably find that malware:

Spybot Search & Destroy: http://www.download.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022_4-10122137.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10861988

I enjoy it since it found an actual virus, trojan horse, and some spyware / malware that neither NOD32 nor Ad-Aware 2008 Pro could locate.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: humble on October 06, 2008, 11:51:31 PM
and if Vundo doesnt get it look up SDFix
:aok :aok

Yup SDfix is an outstanding product....
[urlhttp://downloads.andymanchesta.com/removaltools/sdfix.exe[/url]


Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: 1pLUs44 on October 07, 2008, 07:40:11 AM
Sorry for another suggestion. Here's a scanner that will probably find that malware:

Spybot Search & Destroy: http://www.download.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022_4-10122137.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10861988

I enjoy it since it found an actual virus, trojan horse, and some spyware / malware that neither NOD32 nor Ad-Aware 2008 Pro could locate.

SpyBot is okay, but it isn't nearly as good or effecient as AVG. I used to use Spybot, but it could never find anything more than 1 or 2 viruses, then I got AVG which found like 30 or 40 that had been on our computer for over a year, and it got rid of them all. And it was the free version.  :aok
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Denholm on October 07, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
Spybot is Anti-Spyware, not Anti-Virus. For AV I recommend NOD32.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: 007Rusty on October 07, 2008, 11:29:16 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: guncrasher on October 22, 2008, 05:29:41 AM
I just found a trojan virus (horse), it disabled my firewall (mcafee) and it messed it up my computer pretty bad to the point I had to reinstall everything. however when reinstalling back to original I kept on finding the same virus.  I finally figure out that the virus was attached to my att&t yahoo dsl installation cd.  I know this cd didnt have this virus when I first installed my dsl.  Now my question is I always thought that installation cd's were read only and you could not write to them.  but how did it get infected with this virus? mcafree can only detect this virus but not remove it from the installation cd.  I also have just bought about 3 weeks ago an x52 and just found that this cd also has a adware-url.gen program is this a program that normally comes with x52 installation cd?  thanks

Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Skuzzy on October 22, 2008, 06:07:37 AM
It is physically impossible for a CD to be contaminated with a virus, unless all the following conditions are true.

1)  You placed the CD into a CD/DVD burner.
2)  The CD is a Read/Write CD that has multi-session enabled.

Now, production CD's will never match number 2, making it impossible for a program to be added to the CD, after the fact.

When you re-installed the operating system, did you format the hard drive?  Making a new file system does not actually wipe out the data, maling it possible for a virus to restart after re-installing the operating system, if the virus was plabted on a part of the hard drive the operating system will not write to.  This is a more likely scenario.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: guncrasher on October 22, 2008, 01:55:05 PM
thanks, but how would i go about reformating my hard drive?  also mcafee detects this virus on my e and f drives which are my regular cd and dvd burner drives. and only detects it when i place this cd in.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Skuzzy on October 22, 2008, 02:07:13 PM
It could be a false trigger.  It is not beyond the realm of possibilites that whoever sent the CD out actually has a run of CD's with a virus imbedded on them.  It would just be odd for that to happen.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: BEARING3 on October 24, 2008, 08:42:32 PM
spybot search and destroy, or windows live care
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 25, 2008, 04:23:39 AM
Here's a good place to compare antivirus programs: http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2008_08.php

There's 99% chance your antivirus program is giving a false positive if it finds a virus from a printed CD that came with the hardware.

1% chance exists but most likely it's a false alarm. Avast reports many setups made with Innosetup or self extracting WinRAR as a virus for example.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: TilDeath on October 29, 2008, 09:32:48 AM
I just found a trojan virus (horse), it disabled my firewall (mcafee) and it messed it up my computer pretty bad to the point I had to reinstall everything. however when reinstalling back to original I kept on finding the same virus.  I finally figure out that the virus was attached to my att&t yahoo dsl installation cd.  I know this cd didnt have this virus when I first installed my dsl.  Now my question is I always thought that installation cd's were read only and you could not write to them.  but how did it get infected with this virus? mcafree can only detect this virus but not remove it from the installation cd.  I also have just bought about 3 weeks ago an x52 and just found that this cd also has a adware-url.gen program is this a program that normally comes with x52 installation cd?  thanks



Without knowing the real situation, but it sounds like your getting whats called "False Positives", Try a few scans from others.  AS Skuzzy said, you can not get a virus from a manufactured CD, hence my thoughts of false positives.   I have found that NOD32 from Eset www.eset.com (http://www.eset.com) works well.  Is in use by a lot of financial institutions, updates it virus patterns a few times per day rather then once weekly.  Very stable and reliable suite or virus program.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Fulmar on October 29, 2008, 11:06:26 AM
Well there have been VERY VERY rare instances that viruses have been accidently included on manufactured/program CD's.  It's been several years since the last time I heard about one in the news.  I think I remember hearing one that came with some IPOD versions back in the day.  But I'd take my odds of being hit by lightning 3 times wearing a clown suit during Thursday Happy hour over a virus on the CD.
Title: Re: Need help with viruses.
Post by: Vulcan on October 29, 2008, 07:25:33 PM
There's 99% chance your antivirus program is giving a false positive if it finds a virus from a printed CD that came with the hardware.

Err no. It's more common than you'd think to see virus's/malware on shipped cd's, dvd's, digital photo frames, usb storage, ipods, creative mp3 players etc.