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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 1pLUs44 on October 04, 2008, 04:45:57 PM
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Well, we all want the He-111, but rarely are we gonna use it. When they previewed the P-39, and before that, we were all flippin out and actin all happy and saying it's gonna own in MA and stuff.... Then it comes a long, and 60% of the community cries "WASTE!!11!!" And as much as I want the He-111, I think thats what is gonna happen. :( :cry
So if you wish for it, dont start crying when it doesn't do what you want it to do. :salute :salute :salute :salute
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Well, we all want the He-111, but rarely are we gonna use it. When they previewed the P-39, and before that, we were all flippin out and actin all happy and saying it's gonna own in MA and stuff.... Then it comes a long, and 60% of the community cries "WASTE!!11!!" And as much as I want the He-111, I think thats what is gonna happen. :( :cry
So if you wish for it, dont start crying when it doesn't do what you want it to do. :salute :salute :salute :salute
There the Do-217 to.
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Well, we all want the He-111, but rarely are we gonna use it. When they previewed the P-39, and before that, we were all flippin out and actin all happy and saying it's gonna own in MA and stuff.... Then it comes a long, and 60% of the community cries "WASTE!!11!!" And as much as I want the He-111, I think thats what is gonna happen. :( :cry
So if you wish for it, dont start crying when it doesn't do what you want it to do. :salute :salute :salute :salute
I'm not interested in it for MA use. Anything other than American and British 4 engine bombers won't be used anyway. However, if it weren't for FSO and Special Events I would have quit this game long ago. MA gets old pretty quick. And the He-111 will add loads to early war scenarios (which, are the most fun :) )
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Yes, you and many others stated that about the 39 (and you still do, as do I) but so many cry waste. I'm just thinking what will some of these people will do when we do get it? Cry waste?
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Yes, you and many others stated that about the 39 (and you still do, as do I) but so many cry waste. I'm just thinking what will some of these people will do when we do get it? Cry waste?
And those who cry waste wouldn't have likely stepped out of their Spitfire or La7 no matter what was added.
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And those who cry waste wouldn't have likely stepped out of their Spitfire or La7 no matter what was added.
True.
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He-111 will be a hanger queen in the MA's, but good for scenarios.
I am glad the '25 got added first, see's a LOT more use than the 39 does.
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Course it does, 39 is a MW and EW plane :)
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Course it does, 39 is a MW and EW plane :)
Yes, but everyone was like "Vote for the 39! Ditch the 25!"
'25 won, everyone cried.
When the '39 was added, it was flown for a couple days, never see one anymore.
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Speaking of rarely seen aircrafts... I have never seen a Stuka or B-26 in a long long time. As for the He-111, I'm pretty sure some hardcore German fans will fly it along side with the Ju-88. Bring the 111 and soon you'll see Stukas and Junkers 88 along side with it, next thing you know, German bomber raids. It's not just the aircraft that's new, but it's also going to create a new environment. The thing that's bugging me is what variant of the Heinkel are they going to release?
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titanic, B26's are used often for CV killing runs. Stuka's...not so much. They are slow, underpowered, and vulnerable. Sure, they pack a 4K bomb, but you're likely to get shot down on the way there.
I tend to use Stuka's in it's originally planned role, GV killing. It's a lot of fun trying, and its harder because you only have a couple bombs.
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Stuka, can put a hurt'n on a CV. It just takes patience(witch is why you don't see it as often). First you have to climb to 15-17K. Then your dive angle has to be right, 70 degrees. Aim 1 boat length in front. Release at 10k, and pull out. BOOM! right down the smokestack. Only trouble is, it takes 2 of them to sink it. :frown:
If you set it up right and don't want to return home take the 2 250Kg bombs too. You can also get the CA too. :aok
Also the above can work for a single Ju-88 carrying max ordinance. The Ju-88 has dive brakes too, and can take out a CV with one go.
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Iron, I hear now it takes 12K of ord to kill a CV...
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Yes, but everyone was like "Vote for the 39! Ditch the 25!"
'25 won, everyone cried.
When the '39 was added, it was flown for a couple days, never see one anymore.
Yea...You should talk to stang about that. :noid
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Iron, I hear now it takes 12K of ord to kill a CV...
:cry It is a good thing tho. More hard fought battles to sink the hardened CV is a good thing.
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Well, we all want the He-111, but rarely are we gonna use it. When they previewed the P-39, and before that, we were all flippin out and actin all happy and saying it's gonna own in MA and stuff.... Then it comes a long, and 60% of the community cries "WASTE!!11!!" And as much as I want the He-111, I think thats what is gonna happen. :( :cry
So if you wish for it, dont start crying when it doesn't do what you want it to do. :salute :salute :salute :salute
Do you think it will be different for any other aircraft? We could get the F-22, but when people realise its STILL vulnerable to ramming and random puffy ack, they too will call "WASTE!!11!" as you put it. Its the nature of human kind. Until we get it, we think about it more and more, idealise it, and build it up, so even if it is the greatest plane in the game, it still doesnt live up to our mamoth expectations.
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I remember many claiming that the Hurricane wouldn't get used, since it was too slow etc. But anything that packs 4 cannons and turns on a dime....well...:D
There would be a nice use for the 111 in one case, - carrying V-1's. So we need a V-1 first :D
(these were launched like cruise missilies from 111's, and in quite some numbers. Out of memory 1.200 over the north sea, - so no particular rarity)
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Well, we all want the He-111, but rarely are we gonna use it. When they previewed the P-39, and before that, we were all flippin out and actin all happy and saying it's gonna own in MA and stuff.... Then it comes a long, and 60% of the community cries "WASTE!!11!!" And as much as I want the He-111, I think thats what is gonna happen. :( :cry
So if you wish for it, dont start crying when it doesn't do what you want it to do. :salute :salute :salute :salute
I see the P-39 quite often in the MW arena *shrug*
ack-ack
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I see the P-39 quite often in the MW arena *shrug*
ack-ack
I was never there. :noid
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Had several scruffles with p40's recently.
Anyway, I notice,that when I fly my C.202 hangar queen, I end up in fights where the enemy doesn't know how to get me, for it's an unknown aircraft to him. So, a bigger planeset does have a point :D
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I see the P-39 quite often in the MW arena *shrug*
ack-ack
I love the P-39.... I feel the same about it :( Too underestimated.
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39 never was nor will it ever be a "waste"
A A/C that fly Diffrently than any other, has a huge cannon and can soak up TONS of damage.
The only vice for this a/c is the minimal .50 ammo load and the lack of longer legs.
I do not consider alt limitation at 13-15k to be a waste granted 8/10th the player base never get that high. Most high alt fights get drug lower, and in that nature the aircraft is almost always thrown back INTO its area of operation.
Useing other later 44, 45 aircraft to compare something to be a waste is foolish. The very fact it can survive in the MA with spit16's temps 51's and la7's shows it to be effective. If it could drop flaps at UNDER 185mph it would truely outfly most planes in the MA, problem is at around 150- you loose all combat menuver control, over 200 you have zero flap control.
Biggest vice on this ac is the flaps.
TAS (roughly)
190 1/4
180 2/4
170 3/4
160 Full
IAS (roughly)
180 1/4
171 2/4
160 3/4
151 Full
I wounder where they got these numbers.
Also try flying with gear down and full flaps, and see how the A/c's flaps over +2 flaps down are like airbrakes.
I have a flight instruction video of the 39D, i need to review it again, cause somethin's not good in the hood.
EDIT: "You'll find that in bolth conditions (power on/off stalls) the stall is gentle and there is NO pronounced tendancy for the plane to fall off on either wing."
I find that last bit about the wing stalls interesting granted under 105mph the 39's loose most all control anyhow, and the stall speed should be 95mph, flaps full down gear up, FULLY loaded. 105mph stall flaps up gear up fully loaded.
39's still broken. ;)
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Killed one yesterday with less. Maybe 8K?
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It has to be more than 8k. I used to be able to drop cvs with a 26 with ease. Now even if I put every bomb down the center of the flight deck I only get a smoker. Takes me 2 26 runs to kill a cv now.
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>> P-39
Love that thing man. I don't fly it as my main ride - but it is very fun. IMHO the game is better with it now than without it.
BTW, on occasion I use a Stuka with MOAB bomb load - it is a blast.
WT
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I can see a number of uses for he111 and dornier 17/217 even in late war:
Guided Bombs !!
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fritz-X
interesting fotage of fritz-x hits on roma cruiser and warspite
http://www.1jma.dk/articles/1jmaluftwaffegroundweapons.htm
http://www.1jma.dk/articles/Hs293launch.jpg
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(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc74/Serene_One/FCPs/Pre-FabHe-111.gif)
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"Who" determines which planes are "hangar queens"? or is it "elitism"?
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Well, we all want the He-111, but rarely are we gonna use it. When they previewed the P-39, and before that, we were all flippin out and actin all happy and saying it's gonna own in MA and stuff.... Then it comes a long, and 60% of the community cries "WASTE!!11!!" And as much as I want the He-111, I think thats what is gonna happen. :( :cry
So if you wish for it, dont start crying when it doesn't do what you want it to do. :salute :salute :salute :salute
I agree that the He-111 would be a very nice plane to have in the game very soon, however I still think that what the game needs first is another perked bomber. Please see my thread in the Wishlist about the A-26 if you want more information about it. So, I completely support adding the He-111, regardless of how little use it might see in the MAs, but IMO the having a second perked bomber is far more urgent than an aircraft that would largely be used in Special Events.
Yossarian
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I agree that the He-111 would be a very nice plane to have in the game very soon, however I still think that what the game needs first is another perked bomber. Please see my thread in the Wishlist about the A-26 if you want more information about it. So, I completely support adding the He-111, regardless of how little use it might see in the MAs, but IMO the having a second perked bomber is far more urgent than an aircraft that would largely be used in Special Events.
Yossarian
Do-217 Ki.102.
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I would prefer the He177, since it gives axis a much needed heavier aircraft with 4 engines - even if it had only 2 props.
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I would prefer the He177, since it gives axis a much needed heavier aircraft with 4 engines - even if it had only 2 props.
What? That does not make ANY sense! Its like the big bang with the INFINITE BIGNESS but with INFINITE SMALLNESS! Now, I am NEVER going to be able to sleep. Four engines, but two props? what were the other two engines for? Spinning a chainsaw for close quarters combat?
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What? That does not make ANY sense! Its like the big bang with the INFINITE BIGNESS but with INFINITE SMALLNESS! Now, I am NEVER going to be able to sleep. Four engines, but two props? what were the other two engines for? Spinning a chainsaw for close quarters combat?
The DB610 engine on the He177 was essentially two DB605s (the engine that powered the Bf109 and Bf110) bolted together.
IIRC the higher-ups in the Luftwaffe wanted bombers to retain the ability to dive bomb, which limited them to two engines... this is why there are no German 4 engine bombers (technically the DB610 is only one engine thus the He177 is a twin engined aircraft).
DB605
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Daimler_Benz_DB_605.jpg/180px-Daimler_Benz_DB_605.jpg)
DB610
(http://www.aviation-history.com/engines/db610a.jpg)
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:cry It is a good thing tho. More hard fought battles to sink the hardened CV is a good thing.
Still easy to kill. Get someone to hit it 5 times with a SB then sink it with 88s.
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Didn't some late 177's simply muster 4x db605 in 4 nacelles?
Funny, - th Lancaster was basically born that way, - it was supposed to have 2 very powerful engines (Avro Manchester) but once it was clear that they were not reliable, and the aircraft couldn't fly on one engine, 4 relaible engines were installed instead....voila ce'st le Lancaster.