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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Maniac on January 25, 2000, 07:58:00 AM
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Hi there.
Ill make this quick, how come the bf109 cockpit has better "visability" then the spit with its "bubble" canopy? All pictures ive seen of the 109 indicates that the cockpits are way more "crampted" up then lets say the spit ones. . .
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Didn't NATEDOG do the 109 art?
Anyway, the cockpit is miles too wide. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Oops sorry! Superfly tell Nate about this thread willya? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh! who did the spit art?
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Actually, Natedog is one step ahead of you. He's now presently reworking the 109 cockpits to make it more cramped.
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Ain't I clean bad machine/ Supercool, supermean/ Feelin good for the man/ Superfly-here I stand" - Curtis Mayfield
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We wouldn't want it anything but realistic!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
(pre- ordering cheese and crackers to have on stand- by for the posts after that patch comes out <G> )
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All that being said, I still find the cockpit framework too obstructive in the Spit.
Superfly, I know you've probably sat in and photoed Cavanaugh's. I've done the same to a Spit Tiger DeStafani was rebuilding and a IX that was at Oshkosh a few years ago.
I still think you have the frames a bit too wide <G>.
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Don't think "wide" will matter much in the G10 and G6. No side frames. The rear view could be another story. Head position can be set so you are almost out of the cockpit looking back. Course the same thing can be done for the other planes. Even the F4U has ok rear vision if you use this "trick"
see ya on line
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Can't you guys just move your head and save head position? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Much easier to see around then in any plane.. even so horrible 6 view of brand W's F4u is history.
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I've doen that for all aircraft Fishu.
I do not have a problem with any 6 view.
-Westy
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Fishu,
This is not an six view issue its an 12 clock view issue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ah, I forgot to mention that I am reworking some of the Spit cockpit too. It's also too wide, but I'm pretty sure the armor glass is at the right thickness. Pyro and I measured it several times.
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Ain't I clean bad machine/ Supercool, supermean/ Feelin good for the man/ Superfly-here I stand" - Curtis Mayfield
-=HELLFIRE=- SQUAD
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Superfly,
If it helps, I was referring to the thickness of the metal frames that hold the glass.
Particularly in the 12 view, the frame around the center glass sees "wide" or "thick" in the dimension of the metal. It blocks more of the forward view than I recall.
Of course, this has a lot to do with head position (angle of the eye line to the frame piece) and I sit tall in that cockpit. So, I could easily have seen it from a much different angle than you did.
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Did anyone forget to mention that this Spitfire doesn't yet outturn zekes or outrun runstangs..?
Oh.. and most of those Bf109s runs faster than spits, serious glitch!
Did I forget to mention some another serious glitch?
...lets remember that spitfire wasn't 110% super plane.
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Fish, may I suggest a bit of lovely little Stilton blue with that?
Or perhaps some sharp Cheddar?
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I wasn't aware that we had Zekes in the game. Man, I gotta stop smoking so much crack... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Ain't I clean bad machine/ Supercool, supermean/ Feelin good for the man/ Superfly-here I stand" - Curtis Mayfield
-=HELLFIRE=- SQUAD
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Don't sweat it Superfly. I think Fishu is going to dry the supply up soon.....
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-Westy
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY:
I wasn't aware that we had Zekes in the game. Man, I gotta stop smoking so much crack... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
If I would had said it doesn't turn George, then everyone would been saying that it does (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) <G>
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Originally posted by Westy:
We wouldn't want it anything but realistic!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
(pre- ordering cheese and crackers to have on stand- by for the posts after that patch comes out <G> )
OH MY COD....I am crying alligator tears over this entire thread! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) And later when FISHU posted and then the "sharp Cheddar" remark came out I lost it!
Nabisco, I am calling Schwab as we speak! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
KKEN
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(http://www.combatsim.com/htm/jan20/jpg2/b17-9.jpg)
Please, use historical instruments and layouts only.
Ammo counters only for planes thad had them. Same with flap indicators. Gyro gunsights for P 51.
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hristo,
All planes will have ammo counters/flap indicators. It's one of those compromises we have to make for gameplay. We try to come as close as possible to accurate guage layout. Sometime compromises are made for the game, but I think we've been pretty good about it. I don't think you'll be seeing gyro gunsights anytime soon if ever, but I'm not the programmer. Gauges will be made according to country eventually, so they have the right look to them; along with the right written language. The only country's guages we've done so far are the British one's for the Spit.
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Ain't I clean bad machine/ Supercool, supermean/ Feelin good for the man/ Superfly-here I stand" - Curtis Mayfield
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[This message has been edited by SUPERFLY (edited 01-27-2000).]
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Thanx, Superfly. The closer you make cockpits to their historical looks, the better, IMO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hristo be careful what you ask for. If we remove ammo indicators from the Allied planes we might also have to remove lateral and directional trim from 190/109. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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As soon as they remove the BUG that requires us to aileron trim, then they can remove it. Have to keep rudder trim 'cause not everyone has pedals. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Also can we have "kommandgerat" for the Fw190 only? Seems every plane has it at the moment. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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From cockpit art the thread has successfully entered the field of plane trimming and engine modeling (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Still, I'd go for as much realism as possible.
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Check this out: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000082.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000082.html) (WOMP my ISP a few times anyway)
IMO the spit FrontUp view (45 degree front up) should be modified. Currently this view can be modified, so that it can provide ALMOST a Front view. There is almost no obstructions from cockpit art in this modified FrontUp view.
IE: With this modified FrontUp View a target centered at the bottom 10%, is almost right in the center of the gun sight when the view is switched to Front.
In other words you get ALMOST a PERFECT Front view by using a highly modified FrontUp view.
I love my Spit, but this just seems too good and almost like cheating. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Mino