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Rook Strategic Bomber Mission Alert!
A 'Mother of all Missions' [MoM] Event
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OPERATION:__________"Aluminum Overcast"
AIRCRAFT:____________ B-17G, P-51D, P-47D*
DATE:________________ Tuesday, 21 October 2008*
ASSEMBLY:___________ 2030 HRS (8:30PM EDT)
LAUNCH:_____________ 2100 HRS (9:00PM EDT)
COUNTRY: ___________ Rook
ARENA: ______________ Titanic Tuesday
*Date & planes subject to change as circumstances or ENY dictate.
INTRODUCTION
Now that the weather is getting cooler and many of
us are finished with the chores that burdened us all
summer, I thought it would be a fun idea to start
up these Rook Joint Squadron Operations mass missions.
The bomber missions I have been running in the MA
have been very well attended and enjoyed by many
so I thought it would be fun to kick it up a notch or two
by organizing a titanic air battle for everyone to
enjoy in advance.
I had initially started on this idea back in the spring
but everything didn't come together until May...but
by then it was too late, summer was upon us.
So lets see how this idea does now that we are all
available once again.
WHO'S INVITED
All Rook players and squadrons are invited to attend!
In addition to this general invite, a personal invitation
will be transmitted to over 190 Rook players and squadron
C.O.'s currently on our email alert list so I am hopeful
that we will get a decent turnout.
If you wish to be notified by email of upcoming
'Mother of all Missions' [MoM] events, visit our website at
www.lcasquad.org (http://www.lcasquad.org/)
and enter your email in the "MoM Alert Signup" box
at the top of the page.
HOW TO PARTICIPATE
Just be in the arena and join the mission after it is
posted. Don't worry, it will be aggressively advertised
on Country Channel text so you don't miss it.
If you have any questions please post them in this thread
and I will try my best to quickly answer them.
Click on the mission banner above for more information.
I am hoping to run one of these each month, maybe
twice a month if there is enough interest. 8)
Hope to see you there! :)
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Will you be broadcasting launch/target info over 200? JG11 might like to pay a visit, but would be easier if we don't have to play Guess That Darbar.
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Would consider doing that trotter.
Nobody likes milk runs.
My ultimate objective is to give people a
memorable good time!
If we get the numbers I need to meet the
'titanic' dimension I'm hoping for, then probably.
But not right away! :t
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Too bad I missed it! Didn't know I was going for MRI. Oh well, guess I'll have to catch the next one. :aok
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Too bad I missed it! Didn't know I was going for MRI. Oh well, guess I'll have to catch the next one. :aok
I don't think you missed it. Last night was the 7th. :aok
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Calling off work for this one... 78th Will be there. :salute
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I knew you would be Talon. :) :salute
People on our alert mailing list will be
receiving a reminder invite in about a week.
Don't worry Talen, you are already on the list. :aok
David
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Time to dust off the G-14
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Time to dust off the G-14
with the pods attached of course...
get some k4's escorting the A8's. G-14's etc yummy- buff time :)
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Good deal Whiteman & iTunes!
I can only wish that all of our opposition will be German aircraft. :pray
That would make the immersion factor awesome!
Not to mention making the movies that we wll be producing
look more 'historical' and realistic.
I don't know who we will be anihilating yet though.
depends on the map and our available bases.
Like I said earlier, if we get a ton of people in bombers
I will most likely broadcast that we are airborne and give
the targeted country a heads-up so they can defend.
But if we only get the same number of bombers we usually
mount during missions (20 or so) then we'll probably
run the mission clandestine.
Escorts are easy to get, what I am wishing for is
a mammoth horde of B-17's - THAT should be something
to see!
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If I'm on that night I'd be happy to join any 190s or 109s looking to rain 30mm hell on the bomber pilots heads.
The 21st is a ways off.
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I fly Bish but at least give a heads up of what country yall attack so i can switch if needed. <S>
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I'll switch sides in a heartbeat to have some fun with this :)
Lets all hope that the opposition sticks to the German aircraft, Think it would make a fantastic Movie at the end of it.
Might even be worth seeing if you could "Book" the SEA for the event? That way you could set it up so the other guys just gets the Axis Aircraft?
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Yes, delta try and see if we can lease the SEA for the 21st. That will make the immersion complete since we can set it 8th AF vs Luftwaffe. I'm in to help anyway possible and be assure the 78th FG " Eagles of Duxford " & " Razorbacks" will be overhead in our Tbolts giving the Luftwaffe the showdown of their lives.
:salute
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I fly knight but would like to be able to participate,though I will most likely forget between now and then.
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I don't think you missed it. Last night was the 7th. :aok
OOO, I thought this thread was on Talons mission on the 7th. :o Well then........YIPEEE! :lol
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I fly knight but would like to be able to participate,though I will most likely forget between now and then.
Thats why this has to be run in the MA on TT.
This isn't a proven thing yet and I doubt that
people will mark their calendars or even remember.
Also, my sense is that most players aren't active
on this forum. If we went the SEA route, our available
player pool would necessarily be diminished because
people would have not even heard about it.
Having everyone in the TT when we go will allow
me to advertise it on Country text and help those who are reading
this and who recieve the invitation email to remember.
And don't forget, by runing this in TT, everyone in the arena
who isn't in on this thing in advance will be able to join,
swelling our numbers and hopefully kicking up the fun factor! :)
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Dibs on a P47!
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Really looking forward to it! Should be a lot of fun, I'll have the camera rolling.
Thanks for putting this together, Delta :salute
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I'll start up my P51, this is going to be one hell of a lotta fun
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Bring it on ! you are going to fall without bail out options, worst than Dow Jones Industrial
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Doesn't matter if we die ghi.
Its the battle that will make it fun!
My only concern is getting enough bombers in
the mission. I want to run two flights but if I
don't get the Buffs I will have to scale things
back.
It would be no fun at all to have 12 buff formations
and 45 fighter escorts! :huh
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Bring it on ! you are going to fall without bail out options, worst than Dow Jones Industrial
Omg :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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This may be something the Bloody 100th's might enjoy as well. I'll check with my squadies later on today about this. :rock
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100Coogn
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will DEFINATELY be there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :aok
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This may be something the Bloody 100th's might enjoy as well. I'll check with my squadies later on today about this. :rock
<S>
100Coogn
I sure hope so!
If its not then you guys should trade your B-17's in for kites! :D
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SEA is in use every tues at that time anyways. Air racing.
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give them warning 2 mins before bombs fall so they can scramble. I think long time players will already know its up. :t
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This sounds like a blast, thanks Delta! :)
I hope I can make this one :aok
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IN!!!!!!!!! If I don't have to work... I want dibs on a JUG. :pray I hope I can make it. :salute 96Delta
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My JUG will be there...hungy for the 262's.
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give them warning 2 mins before bombs fall so they can scramble. I think long time players will already know its up. :t
That seems to be the way to go.
I'll let them know on 200 what country we are targeting
but not the specific targets.
Even so, my hunch is that there will be so much spying
going on that it won't remain a secret anyway....
until we make some in-flight course corrections to
throw them off. MUHAHAHAHA
:devil
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Hmm, very interesting. Looking for escort or opposition :t
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DARN! since the name change I doubt ill have enough points by tuesday to get a 262. Guess its a FW-190 for me then :D
I hope I remeber looks like its going to be fun.
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Sounds like fun, Delta. Thanks for the "heads up!" :salute
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(http://www.aviation-arthouse.com/watermark2.php?i=70) :rock bring it on :D
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That's an awesome shot. Photoshopped right? No one has a restored and operational 163 do they? heh.
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It's a painting.
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Welp, ghi's going to be a sad duck because it's not a HQ raid. Silly goose :lol
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This sounds like a blast, thanks Delta! :)
I hope I can make this one :aok
Literally :rock
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I fly Bish but at least give a heads up of what country yall attack so i can switch if needed. <S>
ill do same just for fun and enjoyment if CO lets me, i may even talk to the squad CO about this. nice idea sir! if CO would like to participate but wants to fly escprts there may be two slight problems. (1) we fly bishop, and you had mentioned all ROOK squads are invited and (2) we fly F4U's, but im sure the CO wouldnt mind flyin some P51 or Jug if we can switch over for the night, or fly German metal against yall. anyway, im interested and will post on squad forums, and talk to CO as well. :salute
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I was in a large mission on Tuesday? At least 20-30 sets of bombers. Flew a B-17-It was an awsome sight-if you looked from any gun position, all you could see were planes.
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<S> delta its goondude you know why im here what can i help ya with on here
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The 18th FG will be taking part in the mission :D
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I was in a large mission on Tuesday? At least 20-30 sets of bombers. Flew a B-17-It was an awsome sight-if you looked from any gun position, all you could see were planes.
I also tend to attract 20-30 sets of bombers when I run
spontaneous missions.
But...I would really like to at least double that number
during this [MoM] 'Aluminum Overcast' mission.
My optimistic side is praying for 100 sets of bombers. :pray
The whole idea of preplanning a mission like this
[MoM] event is to get the numbers much higher
than what can be thrown together in-game.
My ultimate goal though is to setup this mission
so that both the participating ROOKS and those
who wish to confront us will have maximum eye candy
to enjoy! ... and shoot at!
:O
I hope many of you will elect to join!
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Invitation telegram has just been emailed to
over 200 Rook players and squadron Commanding Officers.
If you can't read it or your email client isn't
setup to read HTML mail, you can view the
invitation here (http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/MoM/telegram.mission00.php).
There is no need to RSVP. Just show up.
The more I can get in bombers the better. :)
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Hoping for a very nice turnout, don't forget guys, it's tomorrow! It's going to be a lot of fun. :D I'll have my camera rolling. :salute
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Any decision made on who the recipents of this pain train is yet bish/knit?
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Any decision made on who the recipents of this pain train is yet bish/knit?
Im sure the rook trick or treater's will swing by your house also!(http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/characters/character0036.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-sick-smileys.php)
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Im sure the rook trick or treater's will swing by your house also!(http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/characters/character0036.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-sick-smileys.php)
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/excited002.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org) Cant wait....let me get the razor apples ready! :lol
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Join Up :rock
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:t Lets get the BISH, they have hired my 1 year old to press enter x3 on the num pad with super baby stealth while I am trying to fight the BISH horde...The timing of these "bailout accidents" is just too ironic. Lets give them a huge BISH slap!!! :devil
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JG11 :t
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Hope we hit the nits...Anxious for the 78th Fg to confront JG11 overhead.... :t
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:rock.....I will be there Delta..............I will bring as many Tomcatters as I can with me................... :salute
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Bravo! I'm really happy you decided to announce the general vicinity of where you will be tomorrow.
I'm dumping my P38 for a 109 for tomorrow and I hope to see you there.
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Hell ya im in. :rock
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412th is in :salute
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Hope we hit the nits...Anxious for the 78th Fg to confront JG11 overhead.... :t
Talen, you guys bucking for purple hearts or something? :t I do hope you hit the Knights. I can field near 20 or more Luftwobbles tonight as it is JG11 squad night.
See ya up! :salute
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All German enemy would be great to see. I'm looking forward to this :rock
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Hehe Stampf. :aok
There's going to be squadron identification so when you see those Checkered nose P47s, watch yourself. :t Overall it's going to be a fun time and i hope everyone enjoys and films! :salute
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Will the LCA be announcing on 200 a target? Or at least the country you'll be targeting so people who would like to make it interesting for you can actually find you guys?
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Will the LCA be announcing on 200 a target? Or at least the country you'll be targeting so people who would like to make it interesting for you can actually find you guys?
Psssst....Look at the little red bars on top of the sectors slick. Or do you need a road map?
Yaknow they have actually trained chimpanzees to talk with sign language.
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might be a reasonable expectation to know which front so folks can provide that Luftwaffe opposition you are wanting. I'll take a 109 just to help the immersion
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Psssst....Look at the little red bars on top of the sectors slick. Or do you need a road map?
Yaknow they have actually trained chimpanzees to talk with sign language.
It doesn't help if I don't even know what country to join, seeing how I'll have to stay with whichever I choose for an hour. If I choose the wrong one you get no opposition.
But thanks for calling me a monkey and acting like a love muffin while you did it. That was helpful of you. :rolleyes:
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thanks cork for keeping it civil in your response. maybe someone will see we just want a fight. not a game of whack a mole
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It doesn't help if I don't even know what country to join, seeing how I'll have to stay with whichever I choose for an hour. If I choose the wrong one you get no opposition.
But thanks for calling me a monkey and acting like a love muffin. That was helpful of you. :rolleyes:
I didn't call you a monkey. I just inferred a monkey could figure out where a bomber formation would be going. Its among the easiest things to figure out in the game. BTW a chimp is an "ape" not a "monkey". Monkeys have tails and aint as bright.
We'll see if your bright enough to maybe figure out why I have no love for you this morning. Or maybe your on the bong to much. Tho even back in the '70s I could figure out where a bomber formation was going. :P Could you imagine naming the target and having 200 cons at 30,000' diving in at you before your even halfway there? :huh
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An announcement on 200 would be great...being tragic Tuesday there will be big darbars everywhere. I don't know about the other Jokers yet, but I will switch to knits if need be to confront this horde. :salute
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I always thought it was part of the fun. Watching the map, sending out scouts...reporting...organizi ng...coming up with the target. The last Knit one was a huge hit and we were never told.
I hope we run more and more of these. They are a lot of fun. :salute
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I do understand and enjoy that part of the game Rich, it's just the last few Tuesdays I've been chasing Ghosts it seems. I don't get to play much lately and really enjoy these big missions. Will be there in a 109. :salute
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Believe it was a gorilla .
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Thanks for the comments & questions guys. :)
This has the potential to get big and if it
does I'm sure it will be no trouble to find us.
In addition, people with multiple accounts will,
without a doubt, be infiltrated within our
ranks. I'm sure they will be sharing our
intentions with whatever country (or countries ;) )
we will be visiting.
Nevertheless, for those who aren't privy
to the intel that will be floating
around, I will likely be posting on 200 what
country we will be attacking several
mins before we drop...unless we are
already getting mauled. :furious
As I invision what this might look like I
really wish that Hitech had modeled contrails
for the bombers. That would be some fine
eye candy to gaze upon and would make finding
large bomber formations easy.
Oh well, I can dream, can't I?
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb209/StracCop/B-17art606w.gif)
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I do understand and enjoy that part of the game Rich, it's just the last few Tuesdays I've been chasing Ghosts it seems. I don't get to play much lately and really enjoy these big missions. Will be there in a 109. :salute
Thing is Tizzty the bombers wont even make it to target. There will be more interceptors then escorts and they will be co-alt, or even more likely, have alt on the bomber formation. There may even be more interceptors then escorts, AND, bombers.
You already know "when" the game begins and nobody else at that time is going to be upping a huge mission from a rear Rook base, and, spending all that time climbing like a bomber does. Its easy to tell a big bomber formation just by the way the dar bars cross over from one sector to another. Big fighter sweeps do it much faster cause they are running tighter and much faster.
And then...there are the guys changing countries. :lol But we cant talk about that. Anyway, I aint running the thing. These are just my thoughts. :salute
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Praying for an attack to the Knights front... :pray Will marshall the Pigs if that is the case and bring on the TA152's for the immersion factor. Sounds fun no matter how it comes out!
:salute
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First off I'll respond on topic.
Titanic Tuesday is buggy. It shows full dar bars where no one is flying. Sometimes squaddies are obviously flying right next to you but when you look at the map when they talk on vox it could show them sectors away. So TT darbars are not very helpful.
You still have yet to inform anyone wanting to play with you guys what country we should be moving to. Some of us want to participate, but not on your team. Some of us may need to switch countries and I've already been over how if we pick the wrong one we won't be able to participate.
Someone above mentioned that TT makes for a busy map. There will be full dar bars everywhere.
So there are some reasons myself and others would like a little more information. At least which country we need to be on to oppose your mission.
Could you imagine naming the target and having 200 cons at 30,000' diving in at you before your even halfway there? :huh
Do you want a fight or do you want a milkrun? I'd at least like a crack at the buff formations and escorts. If your misshun ends up at 25k you shouldn't complain that people are attacking your buffs from a couple thousand feet higher either.
And lastly: you didn't call me a chimp but you insinuated that I am less capable than one. Of course I'm going to take offense to this. Your little troll about my extracurricular activities is pretty weak too. Myself and others have asked nicely enough for a little info.
Will the LCA be announcing on 200 a target? Or at least the country you'll be targeting so people who would like to make it interesting for you can actually find you guys?
So with this question you sir come in blaming my bong, telling me sign language monkeys could find your misshun, or that I'm not bright enough to know why your pissed off. Honestly from the way I phrased my question I can only assume your a bitter old man with nothing better to do than get pissed off when an honest question is asked.
Would someone who is running this thing speak up on the issue? I've had enough of rich's attitude.
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thanks for the response 96delta. I still want to voice that the target country needs to be announced a little more than "a few minutes before drop".
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you guys need more escorts? i'll help out if you think you need more. :salute
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Thanks for your thoughts Rich and the info Delta.
Titanic Tuesday is buggy. It shows full dar bars where no one is flying. Sometimes squaddies are obviously flying right next to you but when you look at the map when they talk on vox it could show them sectors away. So TT darbars are not very helpful.
Do you want a fight or do you want a milkrun? I'd at least like a crack at the buff formations and escorts. If your misshun ends up at 25k you shouldn't complain that people are attacking your buffs from a couple thousand feet higher either.
420Ace brought up two very interesting points though... :aok :salute
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moin
i have a question:
at what time will the mission start in germany lol
cu chris3
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Bong,
I can't tell you who or what we will be attacking
until I get in the arena, see what map is in play,
what bases we hold and determine suitable targets.
I wish things were more static but the fluid nature
of the game makes determining these kinds of things
in advance problematic.
But don't worry, I will be letting people know who
we are attacking (but not what our targets are
at first). But beware, rumor has it that there will
be some disinformation broadcast to deceive
our adversaries. Some 'spies' may turn out to
be double-agents! :devil
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb209/StracCop/MissionAlert680x350.jpg?t=1224480616) (http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/MoM/telegram.mission00.php)
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Cool. I understand not knowing what the arena will look like. Just give us the correct country to fight you from. This below seems dumb too. I'm trying to find a fun fight, not waste my night.
But beware, rumor has it that there will
be some disinformation broadcast to deceive
our adversaries. Some 'spies' may turn out to
be double-agents! :devil
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bongaroo,
Its not really that dumb.
Think about it.
Whatever you hear on your country channel or 200
should be verified against what you see by way of DAR
bars and contact reports.
Don't blindly trust what you see on 200 is all I'm
saying.
When you see me typing out what country we
will be visiting, you can take that as actionable intel.
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whatever. this is becoming more complicated than it needs to be.
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I might not be making an appearance tonight. My computer constantly minimizes AH automatically and i'm trying to solve the problem. If not i won't be flying tonight. Sorry Delta
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Thats okay Talen.
If this one is a success and people have fun
there will be others. :cool:
Thanks for the heads-up.
Hope you get things sorted out. :salute
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I'd love to make this tonight but will likely just miss the launch time or be later (visiting someone at the hospital). I'm hoping I can find the party whenever I do get on and can show up a little late to it with a heavy P51 or P38. So if you see me asking for the Vox# at a suspicious time after the mission start, I swear my intentions are good.
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Thanks Babalonian,
I plan to launch at 9:00 PM EDT but you know how
things go sometimes. :huh
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wow nice add up there ^ delta, gonna go to bed late and have no energy for school tomorrow 4 this 1. See you there :salute
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Thanks Babalonian,
I plan to launch at 9:00 PM EDT but you know how
things go sometimes. :huh
Cool. A late start would work to my schedule's favor, I'm even going to try and slip out of work 10-15 minutes early to try and beat the extra 30-minutes worth of 5pm traffic, but please by all means don't wait for me.
I'm looking forward to this, Thanks Delta.
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Well done Rooks. That was certainly an impressive display!
Stuff like this makes Titanic Tuesday much more fun!
I don't think I've ever seen so many Jugs in one place in my life!
Bravo!
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Very fun night guys. It was amazing to see ~150 B-17s in the sky supported by about 50 P47s/P51s. It was also great to see that most of the opposing aircraft were german iron... never seen so many 262's in my life.
:salute to all those involved and look forward to the next one. :aok
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Wow that was an Awsome misson. I dont think ive ever seen 6 full enemy darbar's at once before! That was intense action tangling with all the pony's and jugs. Im not used to fighting at 25k+ si it was a gun learning experience. I hope you guys run more of these. :rock :salute
<S>rooks
<S>Stampf's group for lettin me tag along with em.
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That was a blast, well done. <S> LCA and Rooks.
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Was fun, first time I got to login in over a week. 1 kill 1 assist and limped home with 2 minutes of fuel left at max cruise settings. :aok
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<SALUTE> ALUMINUM OVERCAST! :O :O :O any way you look at it in my view this event was GREAT!
i look foward to many many more of these exciting missions! maybe even a mass JU-88 raid or even a stuka raid would be fun :salute :salute :salute :salute
:salute,GREY92
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Yes great work on putting this together i had alot of fun and was suprised on the turn out bring more bring more!!!!!
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:salute Nice raid guys. JG11 enjoyed it. :t
My only issue was that there were so many aircraft in one spot, a lot of icons weren't showing up, with little dots instead (not foo-fighters).
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It was fun till i got rammed down by some n00blet and then got discoed on my 2nd sortie.
I gave up
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I just watched the film. After my last B-17 kill "veryold" chased me all the way to the deck from 25k ft and abandoned his bombers. I didn't know that the Ta-152 out dives the P-51D, but in fact it does. :aok
It seems like there were dozens of P-51D pilots who didn't know what they were doing up there, just to sweeten the deal for us. :devil
:salute to all of the escort pilots who didn't leave their charge.
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I took the 152 up the first sortie and blew my pass.
Went from 30k to 10 in a matter of secs. :rofl
then 2nd sortie i took my K4 love machine up.
scored a few kills and p00f. The white screen of death
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A very fun event.
My FPS were pretty terrible around the main bomber group, but can't complain. One thing though that happened to me that was extremely odd- my first pass on the main bomber group in a 262 I tore into a B-17 with all 4 30mm and he exploded. I never got the kill message, nor did I get credit for him when I landed my other kills for that sortie. And yes, I am sure he was killed.
Two things it could have been
1) I assumed there was a coughup somewhere between my front end and the server at that moment, and the kill was never logged. But I've never ever seen that happen before.
2) Someone else killed him at the same time. But, I now that I think about it, I would have got an assist at least, because I saw my rounds hitting (hit sprites are only visible for your own rounds)
I'd love to see someone's film if they could provide it. This occurred fairly early in the mission, right around the time when the bombers were directly over that port on an island (I think it was P110?). Is anyone posting film?
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I had planned to intercept the bomber stream about 30 miles or 20 from their target, even though most of us knew what was going on long before then. This would enable the bombers to be successful and allow those that died almost instantly to reup in 109Ks and make the tail end of the formation as they egreesed.
I wasn't really pleased that the bomber formation had enemy a/c on their stream even before they left the coastline and this wasn't not under my control. I had also hoped to get some kind of word from Delta but I never received anything from him. Drawbacks aside, I only hope that a mission like this isn't a 'one time only' because quite a few had fun.
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Yep, great fun. Like Del, I hope this wasn't a one time only affair and we see this happen more often in the LW arenas.
ack-ack
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I had great fun! I kept snekaing in betwene the bomber layer and the p47's... got 6 buffs before a jug hit my oil and one elevator... managed to land my smokinh tempest on a burning and turning cv... good job Rook strategic bombers!
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Wow that was an Awsome misson. I dont think ive ever seen 6 full enemy darbar's at once before! That was intense action tangling with all the pony's and jugs. Im not used to fighting at 25k+ si it was a gun learning experience. I hope you guys run more of these. :rock :salute
<S>rooks
<S>Stampf's group for lettin me tag along with em.
:P
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Great fun, great mission and great numbers, perhaps too many for the game that converted all the 262s and 190s into little dots with no labels which didnt show up within 1 k from you.
I guess nits and bish will never have the capacity to put up a mission like ours was. :t
great <Salute> to 96Delta and all the MoM joiners
:salute
chewie
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:salute to the Rooks for an awesome mission. That was cool to see all those bombers and fighter escorts in one place. I got a couple kills before i got shot down but i had a blast. That is what makes this game fun. :aok
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Seems to me that, that is what the Main Arena should be all about. A lot of fun Gentlemen. A big Salute and Thank you to the Organizers and to all who flew a stiff, coordinated intercept.
Well done all.
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that was great!, i had a blast killing and watching over 10 262's die.
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AAR Comments:
These are for the fighters, as I didn't fly with the bombers, but with 11th Fighter Wing
1. Really being on the same VOX channel with the escorts isn't that great an idea honestly, just too much chatter. Coordination can be done at the range level once link up is achieved, or through text between COs on a alternate VOX programmed into channel 2 for example.
2. Flight and Squadron Management:
A) Should be decided before take off. It will help get everyone in formation easier. Similarly might help sense these squadrons will be
composite (formed by more than one AH Squadron) to put them under a color - fighters to the front might be Red, left could be Blue,
Right could be White, and Rear could be Gold squadron for example. That way when RV and LCA and Whoknowwhat squads are flying in
the same "Squadron" to round out the numbers its not so confusing to the mission commander, escort commander, or the squadron CO
(the one in charge of each direction of fighters such as front) when contacts and orders are called out.
B) Should be of fairly same size and capability so as to prevent one portion of the escort from being easier to attack.
C) Need to have clearly identified Flight and Squadron COs to make a minimum chatter, possibly on VOX of their own so as to minimize
talking over each other on the channel. I would suggest a separate VOX for Forward, Left, Right, Rear, and Bombers for voice, and text
VOX for mission coordination, while using range as little as possible until a six call is needed.
D) Need to fly at a lower RPM than full to facilitate formation keeping. Manifold pressure can change allot based on altitude and becomes
a hassle to keep at one setting, whereas RPMs remain constant until you get an engine hit :lol
3. It would help, and is completely doable with this many participants, to assign squadrons to the front, rear, and each side of the bomber
stream at about 2k, with altitude above the stream to help defend a little better.
4. Intel: I honestly wouldn't tell them where we are going. We didn't engage the Luftwaffe but whatever it was that they felt to fly - allies as
well as axis. We wound up just getting bounced. Honestly any country is going to see that huge DAR forming up and begin making
arrangements, especially if they see a post in here that we are planning a large mission like this. They will know its coming, see it, and
mobilize. The bombers didn't even make it 1/8 of the way to the target as I understood it.
5. Fuel management: It hurts longevity, but it is something to consider burning that AUX tank mostly dry in the Pony. Historically that tank is
what messed up the Mustang's center of gravity and caused problems maneuvering, and if tanks are dropped then it helps in the game to
maneuver with 75% fuel instead of 100%. I did it and considering we were at max cruise quite frequently it worked fairly well. (I don't
think we can really racetrack at full speed like in real life with the burn multiplier and the realistic proficiencies of the bulk of AH players).
6. Rotating squadrons: Might want to consider a proword such as "Round Robin" or something to relieve the forward squadron and rotate the
squads from one position to another if they loose altitude so that the lead squadron is as high as possible while the trailing one take some
time to get up to altitude.
All in all a fun mission Delta, although my own mission didn't last very long and I was a little disappointed in the P51D modeling at that altitude. Felt like I couldn't maneuver at all even though I had quite a bit of airspeed, and from what I've read that is where the pony should shine :frown: I look forward to the next OPERATION ALUMINUM OVERCAST!
Anyway, these are just some thoughts I wanted to share. I hope that they are taken in the spirit they are intended and help us to have a better mission that is more fun for everyone.
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It was a very well thought out mission and I'm looking forward to the next one. The 262s would just appear out of nowhere and then disappear again.
I managed to get a couple kills before RTB for fuel. :salute
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Thank you, 96Delta and everyone else who helped organize last night's Big Raid. :salute
Looking forward to the next one!
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All in all a fun mission Delta, although my own mission didn't last very long and I was a little disappointed in the P51D modeling at that altitude. Felt like I couldn't maneuver at all even though I had quite a bit of airspeed, and from what I've read that is where the pony should shine :frown:
Yeah something ain't right with the P-51 at that kind of alt. Once I dropped below 15k is when my pony came to life. I dropped 1 DT on takeoff so I would be light and could manuever when the time came but not it didn't do much good. It still didn't respond well.
Fix the P-51 HTC !
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Pony above 25k is limited. Above 25k is were she starts to lose her effectiveness. On top of that the P51D's were heavily loaded with fuel so that played a part in you guys limited maneuverability.
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Take the jug for a real high alt monster.
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The Flying Circus changed to knits and upped at 89 with some very fine virtual Pilots. I must say it was a huge amount of fun. After all the criticism I've given the LCA in the past in this case I salute them! As Stampf said earlier....this is what it is all about. Since DGS this was the closest to the virtual reality of Air Combat in Europe this game has come.
LCA and Rooks <S>! Seeing LW aircraft and american iron tangling in the skies was fun and authentic!
Kudos Rooks! Let's dance again!
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Was a lot of fun helping the Knits out. Got 3 kills and 1 assist in my A-8 before leaving my right wing with a formation. Upped a K4 (never flown one before), climbed to buffs and attacked one set, lost my only cannon and oil, got jumped by a 51 and 109, lost me engine, dove down from 25K and brought both of them with me to the deck taking them away from thier buffs :devil ended up belly landing on a little round island getting a ditch, no kill of those 2 rookies :devil MUHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa a a a a (fun Doctor Evil luagh) :D
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Wow! What a fight. I logged on last night not planning on joining anything in particular, but when I saw that huge glob of green dots I couldnt resist. I upped with a Pony and 75% fuel and when the bomber formations came in to sight it was really cool to see. What a formation of buffs with escorts everywhere, it was really quite impressive. I assume there is some kind of limit to the number of icons because red icons would show up out of nowhere and then seemed to dissapear. Even though my pony felt like I was flying a rock with wings it was still fun. Only flew one sortie then left, managed to land 2 kills to help support my brothers in buffs. Good job rooks! (And btw, did the buffs hit anything?)
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Had a great time, it really was incredible to see that many JUGS in one place. :rock
Looking forward to the next one.
:salute to the Bish and Knights who made the flight exciting.
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I guess the only problem was that the bombers never actually got to the altitude (over 30k) where the Jugs would dominate over the other aircraft we'd be likely to see up there. If I knew we'd be between 20-27k the whole time, I probably would have elected for a P-38 for the better acceleration and climb.
One thing that never happened to me before in Aces High (granted I rarely ever go over 15k) was I twice lost control in a dive in a Jug which resulted in me going about 5k further down that I intended. At least it held together.
Also I tested it just before launch... Eny did not preclude 5 ENY aircraft... so we might have considered using the N model Jug instead of the D. This would enable us to take more internal fuel so that we wouldn't be running out of gas at the end. And a little protection against the infamous main tank hit in the D Jugs. Fortunately I was prepared and manually drained my main before my Aux... otherwise I wouldn't have made it back.
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SGTTALEN P-47 FLT
MISSION: BOMBER ESCORT
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That was some of the most fun ive had since i was a n00blet.
<S> to everyone involved.
Make this a once a week thing :D
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First off it was fun and thank you to everyone who put it together and flew it. :salute
Second, it all played out exactly as I predicted. The P-47s couldn't even reach 20k before we were getting zipped by 262s and 190s. By the time we reached the bombers we were dispersed and uncoordinated. We never really controlled the high ground and couldn't give proper defensive support to the bombers. I dumped my extra tanks as soon as things got thick cause I'd rather not make it back to base then try and fight with them.
I dont know if the enemy was officially told beforehand or the sideswitchers/intra-country comms gave it all away. Either way it worked out the same. I'm not surprised the bombers didn't get close to target. I saw them getting slaughtered, as I was trying to bounce one 262 away and had 3 190s dropping on me as I was trying to regain Alt.
This isn't meant as criticism. Everyone has eyes and saw what happened. And as always it was fun to fly both with, and against, a good bunch of guys.
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The P-47N is a good choice among American aircraft for that type of mission. It's faster than the P-51D from 15k ft and up. It outclimbs the P-51D from 23k ft and up, and outclimbs the P-38L from 25k ft and up. However, that is with WEP, and there is quite a drop off for the jug with full military power. You gotta get to 30k ft before a military power jug outperforms a military power 51.
Still, the extra firepower and extra durability more than make up for the mitigating factors, to my mind.
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Yes, its was a huge success. And your right, the P-47s under Talon did everything we could to stay with the bombers. I think Talon did a great job keeping us focused and disciplined in a poor situational environment.
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<S> All Great Mission <S>
Was alot of fun flying that 152 at 30K, what a fast bird. As soon as you guys upped (out of 170,171, and 174 I believe) I upped and headed to your general direction, alot of other Bish did the same. See we didn't know what country you were going to hit, so we decided to not wait for you to organize and to bring the fight your way. First couple of passes through the bombers I had a Knit 109 as a wingman, that was a little different. All and all it was different and fun, I have not seen that kind of excitement in the LWA for quite a while. <S> and we need more.
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I had a Knit 109 as a wingman, that was a little different
LOL, Yea, I'd say that was a unique experience.
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The only way to overcome the icons that seemingly appear out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly is to spread the action out. The game is limited in the number of planes that can be seen at any given time. When the number of bombers alone is near that number you run into this problem rather quickly when adding escorts and enemies attacking on top of that. The Rangoon scenario ran into this problem.
The organizers could simply run the missions similar to how DGS ran. Split the bomber groups into 2 or 3 groups with there own escorts and just have them hit targets near each other on the map. A little more indepth as far as organizing it; but it would give the bombers and escorts a chance to see the enemy before they close to 2k.
Just throwing this out there for everyone to chew on.
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The only way to overcome the icons that seemingly appear out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly is to spread the action out. The game is limited in the number of planes that can be seen at any given time. When the number of bombers alone is near that number you run into this problem rather quickly when adding escorts and enemies attacking on top of that. The Rangoon scenario ran into this problem.
The organizers could simply run the missions similar to how DGS ran. Split the bomber groups into 2 or 3 groups with there own escorts and just have them hit targets near each other on the map. A little more indepth as far as organizing it; but it would give the bombers and escorts a chance to see the enemy before they close to 2k.
Just throwing this out there for everyone to chew on.
DGS didn't have DAR bars or spies.
The icon issue as well as frame rate problems will plague us
in every mission. We just have to bre prepare for it I'm afraid.
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Well I think I just offered a way to minimize the problems encountered when you put too many planes in one spot. I didn't mention darbars or spies. Titanic Tuesday has always had screwy darbars, no way around that.
And the whole "o noes, spies!" thing is still silly.
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Delta, thanks for putting this on :salute
3 from the Dynamite Gang upped 152s w/ 75% internal and a DT. When I made my first pass I had 13 minutes of fuel remaining!! We flew a long way but it was worth it to see so many bombers and escorts in the air. There used to be missions like this all the time in the mains but have not seen one for about a year. Besides the fun these missions bring they also give people a chance to see why bombers flew in formations and why the escorts were needed and what tactics they used to keep themselves and their bombers alive
bit o history. :aok
We decided to approach the group at 30k just to be safe. Was a good call cause of all the jugs lurking around at 25-29k but besides a 2ship of 47s we had no one preventing us from setting up for our runs... something that should be taken care of next trip, cant give an aggressor any free space to roam. Bomber formation had a lot of stragglers so defensive fire was not as effective as it could have been. Were yall running at a lower MP setting so everyone had a bit of throttle to help stay in formation? Meh...I understand though, get a lot of guys in formation with lag, miscommunication, jitters, a heavy throttle and it quickly turns into a herd of flaming cats
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Anyway I enjoyed it before I was relieved of my right wing :D
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Thanks for the screencap Jappa!
If anyone else has any, please post them! :O
Funny you should post that too jappa.
I was watching the film and was jumping arund
from plane to plane and ended up with you.
saw you lose that wing too... :D
Glad you had fun!
I need to hear from bomber pilots though!
Without bomber pilots we won't be able to run
another.
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ZooZoo!!!! Those are AWESOME! How did you make them black and white? That is amazing!
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ZooZoo!!!! Those are AWESOME! How did you make them black and white? That is amazing!
Thanks, bunch of photobucket layers, all im gonna say.
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ZooZoo!!!! Those are AWESOME! How did you make them black and white? That is amazing!
Paladin,
There's a program called "Professor Franklin's Photo Effects".
I think its still available. It has a bunch of built-in effects.
One of them approximates what zoozoo has done. If I recall,
it was a faily cheap program.
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PhotoShop Elements comes free with about a dozen different brands of digital cameras, can do all kinds of neat things with PhotoShop Elements... Not as much as with a full version of PhotoShop, but enough to simulate stuff like that.