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Title: Rubber Bullets
Post by: bmwgs on October 09, 2008, 12:36:50 AM
What could be the cause of having rubber bullets in the game?

Fred
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: kilz on October 09, 2008, 02:00:41 AM
usaly when the rubber bullet thing kicks in i tell my guys to relog and it normaly fixes it
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: bmwgs on October 09, 2008, 02:58:06 AM
usaly when the rubber bullet thing kicks in i tell my guys to relog and it normaly fixes it

I seem to have this problem on a regular basis.  Some days are worse that others, but its usually on the worse side.  I nearly always need at least two shots to kill a gv, not matter what the match up is, and against planes, at times, I have to use a entire load of ord when I'm only 200 out.  Some can be blamed on aim, but not all.

Fred
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: BarryBD on October 09, 2008, 03:06:45 AM
check if vertical sync is on in your 3D settings...

That solved a lot of probs for me ;)
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: bmwgs on October 09, 2008, 04:29:13 AM
check if vertical sync is on in your 3D settings...

That solved a lot of probs for me ;)

Vert. Sync. is forced off.  I have heard about that setting....  thanks

Fred
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Wizer on October 09, 2008, 06:42:56 AM
Vert. Sync. is forced off.  I have heard about that setting....  thanks

Fred
Vertical Sync  should be "forced on"   :salute
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: The Fugitive on October 09, 2008, 07:05:39 AM
Vert. Sync. is forced off.  I have heard about that setting....  thanks

Fred

You want Vsync ON. you want it to sync up what your seeing to what is happening.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: bmwgs on October 09, 2008, 11:11:36 AM
Vertical Sync  should be "forced on"   :salute

Vertical Sync  should be "forced on"   :salute

Thanks, I have changed to "forced on".  I will see how it goes...

Fred
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Denholm on October 09, 2008, 12:23:23 PM
You may also want to make sure that all firewalls and AV / AS services are turned off while playing. They reduce the game speed causing unseen lag which results in what you are describing.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: bmwgs on October 09, 2008, 01:06:01 PM
You may also want to make sure that all firewalls and AV / AS services are turned off while playing. They reduce the game speed causing unseen lag which results in what you are describing.

Thats a good point.  I use AVG 8 and I can't quite figure out how to turn it off and on.  Anyone have any suggestions?

Fred
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 10, 2008, 02:04:41 AM
firewalls do not reduce game speed.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 10, 2008, 02:07:27 AM
All you really need is windows firewall running. When you game, you actually need no firewall. But if you turn it off ... remember to turn it back on!
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Denholm on October 10, 2008, 08:12:29 AM
You are incorrect. Firewalls do slow down the game because they're analyzing the packets being sent and received for, "possible threats." This slows down the process of sending and receiving packets which causes lag. Whether it's seen or not, it's still there in the form of, "Hey I shot you, but you didn't die" or, "You were bouncing all over the place! How did you hit me?" For some people who have faster CPUs, it may not affect them, since their processing power exceeds the demands of both the game and the firewall/AV/AS software. But for others, having both the game and the firewall running is a combination you don't want to have happening.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Chalenge on October 10, 2008, 06:28:47 PM
Better yet use a hardware firewall and allow AH the ports it needs as outlined by Skuzzy in the sticky posts in this forum.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,68316.0.html
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 10, 2008, 08:32:19 PM
firewalls reduce processing speed not game speed ....only online(duo cores and up will handle a firewall no problem)and the reason I said keep windows firewall on is so they don't forget to turn er back on. Multiple firewalls will slow the processing down.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Chalenge on October 10, 2008, 11:37:06 PM
Still its bad advice because unless you know what the user has for a system... besides in a flight sim you should always free up as much as you can.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 11, 2008, 04:49:25 AM
thanks for the heads up challenge appreciate that
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 11, 2008, 04:57:26 AM
Remember some will forget to turn back firewall. If you have a decent computer, a bad recommendation like Challenges is to turn fire wall off if you are unfamiliar. Your computer will run fine with AH with windows firewall on. Some people like to make statements and recommendations. Non experienced people who may not understand will turn their firewall off and forget how to turn it on. Bad idea. I had an old AMD processor maybe 1.5g and had absolutely no problems with AH with windows firwall on. Will your computer run better.... Yes but rather not needed with todays technology.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Chalenge on October 11, 2008, 02:36:20 PM
I just want to point out that contrary to what the previous poster stated I 'never' suggested a firewall be turned off preferring instead a hardware firewall.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Denholm on October 11, 2008, 04:00:41 PM
Most people have hardware firewalls in their DSL modems and routers. So there's no real need for software firewalls.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 12, 2008, 02:02:03 AM
That is what I have been saying why are we going on with this subject. Void... I mean Challenge likes to stir the kettle. It is not wise  to suggest in a general forum to turn off all firewalls. All you need is windows firewall. See above reply.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Chalenge on October 12, 2008, 11:56:36 AM
I suggest you take your veiled insults to another site. If either of us has given 'bad advice' it would be you.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: FLOTSOM on October 12, 2008, 02:27:50 PM
hello people

i just wanted to put a break in the quickly building argument starting in this thread.

take breather guys! every body has an opinion and we tend to defend them strongly even to the detriment of another. you both started with the best of intentions and are both arguing over the same issue, balance between performance and protection. when in reality neither of you are wrong.

but just because you have differing views does not make either of you wrong or "intentionally giving bad advice" one is giving advice that safety should take precedence and not to risk forgetting to turn your firewall back on and the other is advicing that a person should be responsible enough to remember to to reset things to a safer level when not playing A.H.. you are both correct.

both of you offer good advice, take it as differing means to obtain the sought after goal. but now let us get back to that goal.

BMWNG is having issues with rubber bullets, this is an issue that more than one of us seams to suffer from. so the responces listed herein have become the starting point of research and alterations and hopefully improvements to our systems.

so i ask you, please put aside your differing opinions and return to sharing with us your knowledge and wisdom on these matters. it does in the end fall onto the shoulders of the person utilizing the advice to determine the manner and method in which it is applied. they shall either bear the burden of making the final decision or shall make no changes and remain ever in the dark shooting blanks!!!

Thank you

FLOTSOM

Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Skuzzy on October 13, 2008, 06:35:24 AM
Every piece of software running on your computer will have an impact on the performance of the game.  Software firewalls, partcularly those which are not configured properly, will have an impact on the network latencies, as well as CPU usage.  How much impact will vary from computer to computer.

It is incorrect to state software firewalls have no impact.  It is equally incorrect to imply they will kill your game performance, as a general statement.

The best I can offer, is to try it with and without and make the determination yourself as to how much the impact is.

Anti-virus programs, on the other hand, are far worse than software firewalls as far as overall system usage is concerned.  Again, the impact will vary from system to system.


Vertical sync should be forced on for the game.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: FLOTSOM on October 13, 2008, 11:02:57 AM
OK the Skuzzster has spoken!!!!!!!


Now that you have teased and intrigued us with these tantalizing bits of your wisdom, would you mind giving up the goods!!!!!!!!

could you go a little deeper into the settings of a firewall, and describe the difference between a hardware software as opposed to a programing software. the obviouse differences aside, how do you set them both up or disable the ect ect.

thank you in advance

FLOTSOM
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: kilz on October 13, 2008, 11:34:34 AM
Still its bad advice because unless you know what the user has for a system... besides in a flight sim you should always free up as much as you can.

goes back to what you first said. i run my firewalls during the game plus yahoo and myspaceIM and i lose no proformance. but i have a nice enough computer to do it with
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: FLOTSOM on October 13, 2008, 12:07:42 PM
goes back to what you first said. i run my firewalls during the game plus yahoo and myspaceIM and i lose no proformance. but i have a nice enough computer to do it with

i use to be able to watch a dvd (dual monitors) with all my I.M.'s running and/or XMRadio running while playing, i use to run everything and had no issues at all. until the update that A.H. did late last yearish. whenever it was that they did that big update. since then i have had only problems!!!!! screen pauses rubber bullets black outs at low g's ect. i have done so many updates and changes to my system its nothing like it use to be. i have 4g of ram 1g of mem on my video card additional mem on my sound card i am running only 11 services after running enditall2 and casheman memory recovery, but while playing i still get the pauses and other issues.

FLOTSOM
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Chalenge on October 13, 2008, 12:09:17 PM
goes back to what you first said. i run my firewalls during the game plus yahoo and myspaceIM and i lose no proformance. but i have a nice enough computer to do it with

Unlike you I shut down all processes I dont need and I use a hardware firewall. I started doing this because when I just launched into the game without shutting down background programs I was getting situations where cons were shooting empty space behind me and still hitting me. With everything setup the way I have it now the only problem I see online is occasional warp from certain users (the notorious and well known IVAN for instance). With patience even that isnt an issue.

Im now using AlacrityPC (formerly FSAutoStart) and I reboot before and after every online session of AH and I use O&O Defrag v.11 regularly.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Skuzzy on October 13, 2008, 01:35:49 PM
goes back to what you first said. i run my firewalls during the game plus yahoo and myspaceIM and i lose no proformance. but i have a nice enough computer to do it with

This is a bad idea and I cannot stress firmly enough it can cause problems.  Just because it is acceptable to you, does not make it a good idea for everyone.

You cannot run any software with the CPU having to run it.  When the CPU (regardless of the number of cores) has to run something, the game stops running.  No matter the brevity, it does stop.  Everytime a CPU core has to access memory, no other device, including other cores, can access memory.  Not an opinion.  That is the way it works.

Flotsom, the single biggest issue I have seen in software firewalls is people who like to log all the hits for every port in the computer.  This is simply silly.  The only ports you have to worry about are the which have LISTENERS attached to them.  All the other noise reported by a software firewall is just noise to make you paranoid.

Logging means the disk will have to be accessed.  Disk accesses are a pretty good guarantee that the game will take a severe performance hit.  Manifestions include, pauses, freezes, stutters, warps and any other name you can attach which indicates non-smooth gameplay.

Bottomline is this;  If you want the absolute best and smoothest gameplay, then you will do everything you can to make sure nothing is running in the background that is absolutely not required for the computer to operate.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: FLOTSOM on October 13, 2008, 01:55:44 PM
ok so i have managed to disable (completely) my firewall. it windows live one care. when i disable this i believe it also diables any windows based  built in firewall.

i have sent you an e-mail. im sure you have alot of things going on so ill be patient and await your reply. any advise would be welcome

FLOTSOM
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 13, 2008, 04:50:29 PM
Neener Neener.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Skuzzy on October 13, 2008, 04:57:40 PM
There is absolutely no call for that drdeathx.  This is a Technical Support forum not a brow beating forum.  If you have something helpful to offer, fine, but poking people with a stick will not be tolerated.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: crims on October 13, 2008, 09:36:38 PM
I have Windows XP would like to see if my V sink is turned on. How would I check this out


Thanks

Crims


Aka Tom
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 13, 2008, 10:42:59 PM
Go to your video card software. If you use nvidea go to control panel if you you use ati go to your catalyst control center. If you have not altered it, your default will be on.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: bmwgs on October 14, 2008, 04:30:04 AM
OK, Here is the loaded question........I keep hearing (reading) only to run the processes that need to run to run the system.  Is that enough runs in one sentence for you? :D

I downloaded FSStart and even another program that allowes you to turn off various processes.  I am currently running about 40 processes.  Other than the rubber bullets, I don't have much of a problem, but before I get off track let me ask the question.

Having limited knowledge about computer systems, how do you know which processes you need to run the system?  One of the programs I have defines the processes, but it might as well be written in Greek, and I don't speak Greek.

Is there somewhere I can go to see what processes are required to run the system, like a list or something?

Thanks

Fred

Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: The Fugitive on October 14, 2008, 06:47:32 AM
OK, Here is the loaded question........I keep hearing (reading) only to run the processes that need to run to run the system.  Is that enough runs in one sentence for you? :D

I downloaded FSStart and even another program that allowes you to turn off various processes.  I am currently running about 40 processes.  Other than the rubber bullets, I don't have much of a problem, but before I get off track let me ask the question.

Having limited knowledge about computer systems, how do you know which processes you need to run the system?  One of the programs I have defines the processes, but it might as well be written in Greek, and I don't speak Greek.

Is there somewhere I can go to see what processes are required to run the system, like a list or something?

Thanks

Fred



Go to  Black Viper's (http://www.blackviper.com/) site. About halfway down under "Popular Content" click on which operating system you run. About half way down that page he has a whole crap load of services listed on a chart. The right hand columns are the "suggested" setting. If you can't find some of your services, you could leave them alone, or you could "google" them. In most cases when you google them the top choice gives a discription, and lets you know if you can turn it off or not.



I have Windows XP would like to see if my V sink is turned on. How would I check this out


Thanks

Crims


Aka Tom

Right click your desktop, select properties, setting, advance. In there you should find a tab with your video card (Nvidia, ATI) click on that and you should be able to find it. Can't get you closer because we don't know what you have, and I'm stuck on a laptop.  :D
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: Hap on October 14, 2008, 07:09:47 AM
bmwgs, or you can hover your mouse over the service.  The guy who made FS Autostart gives a "stop" or "keep running" suggestion.  Then, click on the last column in FS Autostart and a pull down menu appears.
Title: Re: Rubber Bullets
Post by: drdeathx on October 14, 2008, 01:36:37 PM
BMWG You do not need all those processes running even when you are not gaming. Go to the links I posted and figure out what you are not using or never going to use. Your computer will work nicer all the way around. Also, go to add/remove programs. Anything you do not use or will never need you can remove. Tuning your computer up is essential.


If you never changed the oil or spark plugs on your car what would happen? It would eventually start to tun slugglish and the engine may eventually seize. I am being a bit radical here but having that many processes running is a lot in general.



Death