Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Ack-Ack on October 13, 2008, 12:35:39 AM
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The subject title says it all. It would stop squadrons like Luftmorder (1Hunglo, Sally, Shobizzz) going into the MW and EW arenas and vulching each other to gain perks to blow in the LW arena.
By changing it so the perks you earn in an arena is only good in that arena would eliminate it. The only reason why these guys farm them is so they can up jets and tigers every sortie without actually having to work for them like the rest of us.
ack-ack
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Sounds pretty logical to me. The scores are separated already, why not the perks?
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Sounds good to me, I miss MW.
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+1 sounds logical
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In! Btw getting perks that way seems very Richard simmons of them.
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In! Btw getting perks that way seems very Richard simmons of them.
I don't know what that means, but it certainly sounds kind of creepy to me.... :uhoh
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I didn't want to say the g word.
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All for it here, although it begs the questions what would happen to the all the perks you already had?
:)
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:aok
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I wouldnt say every arena. I would let the two LWMAs be in the same group.
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Right on, split them up.
How many people go into LWBlue just to be able to landgrab or milkrun?
More than are willing to admit it I bet.
Probably would be a big headache for HTC, but this would seriously impact gameplay in a GOOD way.
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Agree.
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Can't stand perk farmers...
And perk farmin, combined w vulchin your buddies???
Thats the lowest of the low... :eek:
By all means, split them up, :aok
RC
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Ack, how do you know they're doing what you say they do?
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What would happen with our perks if they did split up? Would they divide what you have into each arena? I for one don't fly in the EW or MW, ever. I'd like all my perks to stick in the LW...
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Ack, how do you know they're doing what you say they do?
These stats were gained in two sorties within about a half-hour timeframe (I was in MW at the time):
1HungLo Kill Stats for Mid War Tour 105
P-39D 0 58 0 0 0 58
Total Kills 58
Mid War Tour 105 Attack Scores for 1HungLo
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 58.00 0
Kills per Sortie 29.00 0
Kills per Hour of Flight 143.50 0
Kills Hit Percentage 3.56 0
Kill Points 1589.53 0
that has already been explained ... and in some other post in another thread, he has freely admitted that he does this to gain perks to fly perk planes in the LW.
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What would happen with our perks if they did split up? Would they divide what you have into each arena? I for one don't fly in the EW or MW, ever. I'd like all my perks to stick in the LW...
I would think HTC could come up with a code that splits the perks based on time spent in each arena over, say, the last three tours.
Might as well go all the way with it and make it possible to have separate squads in each arena, too, much as the AvA is completely separate from the Mains. That way a person who likes to float can be a member of a dedicated MW squad and a member of a different dedicated LW squad simultaneously.
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+2. Sounds great! :aok
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Ack, how do you know they're doing what you say they do?
Because each of them have admitted over open channel what they were doing when they were caught.
ack-ack
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Pretty straightforward idea. It was a mistake for perks not to be arena specific in the first place.
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:aok
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Eh, that kinda ruins the fun for yourself more than anyone else... (I mean perk farming in MW and EW)
I think one of the funnest aspects of the game is going through all of your perks, starting at square 1, and flying planes other than spit 16s and La7s to get your perk count higher... Makes you a better pilot and you're rewarded with points to blow away on planes that you earned the right to fly.
Edit: Another good way to counter this is to have your perkies stop after 10k perks.... For 1: It gets you interested in SPENDING the perkies, 2: Keeps perk farmers to a bare minimum if HTC doesn't give us this wish, and 3: Would you really need any MORE than 10k perks?? I have 3k fighter perkies that I blow away to 1500 or 2500 only to bring back up during the tour... I'd say a limit of 5k fighter perkies, but people see a need for perks a lot more than I do. :aok
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Eh, that kinda ruins the fun for yourself more than anyone else... (I mean perk farming in MW and EW)
I think one of the funnest aspects of the game is going through all of your perks, starting at square 1, and flying planes other than spit 16s and La7s to get your perk count higher... Makes you a better pilot and you're rewarded with points to blow away on planes that you earned the right to fly.
Edit: Another good way to counter this is to have your perkies stop after 10k perks.... For 1: It gets you interested in SPENDING the perkies, 2: Keeps perk farmers to a bare minimum if HTC doesn't give us this wish, and 3: Would you really need any MORE than 10k perks?? I have 3k fighter perkies that I blow away to 1500 or 2500 only to bring back up during the tour... I'd say a limit of 5k fighter perkies, but people see a need for perks a lot more than I do. :aok
Give me a perked plane I actually like. :aok
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Can't stand perk farmers...
And perk farmin, combined w vulchin your buddies???
Thats the lowest of the low... :eek:
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Why do you care?
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Why do you care?
You come off as someone who cares that he cares....
Maybe he cares because he views it as other players exploiting the sytem to grief those that aren't exploiting the system?
ex·ploit
–verb (used with object)
1. to utilize, esp. for profit; turn to practical account: to exploit a business opportunity.
2. to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.
3. to advance or further through exploitation; promote: He exploited his new movie through a series of guest appearances.
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Why do you care?
Because this squadron is basically exploiting the game mechanics to earn perks without any risk for doing so. I don't think HiTech had in mind players vulching squadron mates to farm perks when he designed Aces High. It pretty much defeats the purpose of having a perk system and in addition, the actions of Luftmorder and anyone else that engages in this forces the game play down the crapper.
If that's okay with you, then so be it though it does say a lot about one's character to condone such negative behavior.
ack-ack
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Sounds like a decent idea. You all just want to deprive me of perks :O. Lucky to earn 150 a tour in all arenas combined with my flying.
It does, however, sound like a good idea, would be nice to have implemented.
:salute
X
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Well, the above posts say it all...
Ooop's somehow I had the idea that people would
know this instinctively.. Hmmmm, guess not...
I sometimes see my own countrymen doing this.. (more than 1)
Vulchin his buddies 2nd account for score and perkies..
I don't say anything about it, and I don't partake,
even when offered.. But it does effect how I view
the players that engage in that behavior...
Its not a positive thing, actually very disappointing...
Although I will probably never meet them in real life...
I do get a mental picture of the player behind the stick..
Some type of personal rapport must exist between players
in game, for them to function as a team, or even a gaggle...
When ppl start the "vulch their buddy for score" thing, I
manage to drift to another part of the map.. And start looking
for another group to fly with... Its better than an insult throwing
match, name calling, and all that hate and discontent..
I have plenty of perks, that I hardly use... Scrapped for every
one of them too... Got killed PLENTY in the process.. Perk farming
seems like collecting bounty on enemy heads, that you chopped off
previously killed corpses... Or, a boxer winning a rigged fight...
Its just simply lowdown...
You asked why I care, there ya go...
RC
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Well we already have separate scoring.. why not separate the perks?
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Right on, split them up.
How many people go into LWBlue just to be able to landgrab or milkrun?
More than are willing to admit it I bet.
Probably would be a big headache for HTC, but this would seriously impact gameplay in a GOOD way.
And give ppl ever more reasons to stick in one arena (a lot new "I cannt get into ** arena" whines included)? I dont sure its what HTC looking for.
I dont see benefits from perk separation. If someone want to farm a few perks he can do it in any arena.
I dont care how ppl gather their perks.
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IIRC score for LWO and LWB are aggregate. I see no reason for LW perks to be split.
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Between late war arenas? No sir! I can never tell which arena I will be able to fly in as is!
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I dont see benefits from perk separation. If someone want to farm a few perks he can do it in any arena.
Actually it will. The only reason these players go to the EW and MW arenas to farm perks is because these arenas have low populations and they can farm at will with little interference. These perks aren't used in the EW or MW arenas, they farm them so they can use them in the LW arenas. So by having perks usable in the arena you gain them in will stop the perk farming since they won't be able to blow the perks in the LW arena.
ack-ack
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I see what your saying. So the guys that lack any knowledge of how to use the 262s I shoot down get their perks in empty arenas? Not that I care about those guys but your right if this catches on it could be a problem.
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Actually it will. The only reason these players go to the EW and MW arenas to farm perks is because these arenas have low populations and they can farm at will with little interference.
Farming perks in empty arena is easier for sure, but it isnt mean its impossible im MAs.
These perks aren't used in the EW or MW arenas, they farm them so they can use them in the LW arenas. So by having perks usable in the arena you gain them in will stop the perk farming since they won't be able to blow the perks in the LW arena.
They will just go to MA and farm there. As side result you will have ever less ppl in EWA and MWA.
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The late war arena has 24 hour map watchers that hunt milkrunners down just ask Lynx! :D :aok
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So, why hanters cannt visit EWA/MWA and say friendly hallo to farmers? :)
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I see what your saying. So the guys that lack any knowledge of how to use the 262s I shoot down get their perks in empty arenas? Not that I care about those guys but your right if this catches on it could be a problem.
Not only do they not know how to fly the perk planes or fight in the perk GVs, they also lack the skill to gain these perks through normal game play.
ack-ack
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crap no more noob 262's to kill :D
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karma baby
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These stats were gained in two sorties within about a half-hour timeframe (I was in MW at the time):
1HungLo Kill Stats for Mid War Tour 105
P-39D 0 58 0 0 0 58
Total Kills 58
Mid War Tour 105 Attack Scores for 1HungLo
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 58.00 0
Kills per Sortie 29.00 0
Kills per Hour of Flight 143.50 0
Kills Hit Percentage 3.56 0
Kill Points 1589.53 0
Thanks Dot!
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The perk farmers that go to other arenas like MW and EW, do so because they are not only perk-ride dweebs, but also score wh*res. Since the scores are arena-specific, having your squaddie kill you 58 times in a half-hour in MW will not affect you (and your squad's) score and ranking in LW.
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If that's okay with you, then so be it though it does say a lot about one's character to condone such negative behavior.
ack-ack
I don't think he's condoning it so much as he just doesn't care about it. I think it's silly and don't think highly of it but at the same time, I don't care.
Let's face it, if you're that rubbish at the game that the thought of farming perks even crosses your mind.... well, it's only a matter of time until their perk rides add to your own perk account.
Bugger it, let the spanners tool around.... When they do cross your path they'll be an easy kill.
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I should add that I also agree that splitting the perks into EW, MW and LW is a good idea, though.
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Sorry, but this bugs me every time someone says it.
Farming perks in empty arena is easier for sure, but it isnt mean its impossible im MAs.
They will just go to MA and farm there. As side result you will have ever less ppl in EWA and MWA.
Early war, Mid war and Late wars are all Main arenas. No matter how more people go into Late wars compared to Mid/Early they are still "[name] War Main [color]". :aok
X
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As side result you will have ever less ppl in EWA and MWA.
So? They aren't actually fighting anyone anyway so who cares?
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Sorry, but this bugs me every time someone says it.
Early war, Mid war and Late wars are all Main arenas. No matter how more people go into Late wars compared to Mid/Early they are still "[name] War Main [color]". :aok
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Yup, it bugs me too. I even went so far once, as to quote the help page on the HiTech site.
And as far as them going to LW to farm, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!! Stay where you fly - farm your precious perkies there, so everyone in that arena can see what a perk-farming dweeb you really are.
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Sorry, but this bugs me every time someone says it.
Early war, Mid war and Late wars are all Main arenas. No matter how more people go into Late wars compared to Mid/Early they are still "[name] War Main [color]". :aok
May be technically, but numbers says only LWAs are main :) Otherwise you should explain why AvA isnt main but EWA is.
So? They aren't actually fighting anyone anyway so who cares?
1) You can fight them even if they dont want fight you :rolleyes:
2) If you looking for fight vs EW planes you wouldnt log in empty EWA. But if there are some ppl in arena you dont know what they doing until you log in and see. And you have chance to find another player like you who looking for fight here, or attract some more ppl by increasing arena numbers.
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this is a no-brainer and been suggested many times, and current perks should be split according to time spent in each arena for each perk class.
can't see any good reason not to do this.
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May be technically, but numbers says only LWAs are main
Since there are so many threads started because of complaints from the LW people when they "are forced" to play in *shudder* the Blue arena because Orange is full, I guess there's only ONE main arena - Late War Orange. Thankfully, numbers don't mean a thing - you people need to get that through your stubborn heads.
I didn't want to have to do this again, but...(note HTC's use of the word "Main")
The Early, Mid, and Late War Main Arenas are where you'll find the majority of players. These arenas differ in the plane sets offered. The Early War Main arena has early World War II planes or planes which best compete in that era. The Mid War Main Arena contains planes specific to the middle of World War II as well as the planes from the Early War Main arena.
The Late War Main Arena has all aircraft enabled from all time periods of World War II.
Otherwise you should explain why AvA isnt main but EWA is.
Ok, you asked for it (notice HTC didn't include the word "Main" in any of these):
The Axis versus Allies arena is set up for historical gameplay. There is a two sided war, a limited plane set, and reduced radar.
The Dueling Arena contains a special terrain with separate areas for all types of game play including furballing, tanking, and canyon fighting.
The Special Events Arena is available to all players and events are scheduled by the Aces High Campaign Managers.
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Only argument I see here is HTC included or not word "Main" in arena name. Did I said "technically" in previous post? :huh
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Did I said "technically" in previous post? :huh
Technically Oleg,
Technically you did say "technically". But technically, using the word technically is over-used and, technically, it doesn't usually change the facts. Technically speaking, facts are facts.
Technically yours,
Dot
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First off Ack Ack, Sally had nothing to do with anything, if you could please be so kind and apologize to him for using his name.
Second, I think it is quite funny, the way you put this thread on. You were land grabbing which is funny, calling the kettle black... It started out as a grudge match between myself and hung. But after you people started crying we thought we would step it up a notch, and watch you all cry some more. Wow did you cry I don't think a blankie and a bottle would make you stop! In words, I get a laugh out of watching you cry and whine about it.
And about me being a good pilot, Who makes you the judge? Just because I don't want to run to the DA to fight you. Like I said I have nothing to prove to you. Reason being: it's a game and "I" pay for it just like everyone else, how "I" chose to play is my business. I could care about my score and being top ranked! Now if you would like to pay for my subscription, I will gladly fly the way you would want me to fly and follow your orders, until then I believe i told you the other night what you can clearly do.
Thanks and good day.
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First off Ack Ack, Sally had nothing to do with anything, if you could please be so kind and apologize to him for using his name.
Sally and 1Hunglo were doing the same thing a few days prior to you and 1Hunglo doing it. In fact, Sally had replied then that 1Hunglo should be grateful that he had a squadron mate willing to do what he did. So, no apologies coming from me.
Second, I think it is quite funny, the way you put this thread on. You were land grabbing which is funny, calling the kettle black...
Land grabbing? Ask anyone that flies in the MW arena I hardly, if ever, take part in base captures. Even my stats reflect that.
It started out as a grudge match between myself and hung.
Don't lie. 1Hunglo openly admitted what he was doing when he and Sally were first caught prior to you and 1Hunglo being caught. When 1Hunglo and you were caught, 1Hunglo again admitted what he was doing and gave the same reasons as before when he claimed it was because his son burned through all of his perks.
You can try and make up whatever story you like but facts are facts and they paint a completely different version of events than what you described.
And about me being a good pilot, Who makes you the judge? Just because I don't want to run to the DA to fight you. Like I said I have nothing to prove to you.
anyone that has to go to the EW or MW to farm perk points to use in the LW arenas is enough of an indicator that the person lacks any sort of skill whatsoever to gain perks through normal game play. If you had any sort of skill, why would you engage is what amounts to shady game play? Or are you one of those tools that expects everything handed to them without having to work for it?
Reason being: it's a game and "I" pay for it just like everyone else, how "I" chose to play is my business. I could care about my score and being top ranked! Now if you would like to pay for my subscription, I will gladly fly the way you would want me to fly and follow your orders, until then I believe i told you the other night what you can clearly do.
You're right, if you want to basically exploit the game by taking advantage of the perks system to gain perks without any risk, so be it. It just says a lot about your character and those that engage in this activity with you.
Thank you for showing why we need something in place to stop what you and your Luftmorder buddies do in the MW and I can see why you lied in your telling of events. If I was a skilless tool like you and this was my only way to gain perks, I wouldn't want this feature implemented either.
ack-ack
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My god Ack Ack I can even get you to cry in here after the fact! Its beautiful thanks for making my day again. tool lol :lol
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hrmmm no. good idea at first but think that in EW people who earn tank perks can't use em t-34 only tank and it free
in mid war there is no perked bomber
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hrmmm no. good idea at first but think that in EW people who earn tank perks can't use em t-34 only tank and it free
in mid war there is no perked bomber
So what's your point? If they want to up a perked vehicle in MW, they should spend some time there to earn those perkies. If they only play in EW, then who cares - let their perks accumulate. Just because you have perkies, doesn't mean you have to use them.
Hey how about this:
Perks you earn in earlier arenas are worth less in later arenas and vice-versa.
6 EW perks <=> 4 MW perks <=> 2 LW perks
or
100 EW perks <=> 10 MW perks <=> 1 LW perks
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Great Idea Ack! ... but what to do with the perks a player may already have?
Split them up? have player choose? split even between arenas?
Just stirring the pot :D Not everyone has your kinda perks... :devil