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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Allen Rune on October 16, 2008, 03:14:53 PM
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i just stuck in a new power supply which is working perfectly. but the video card isn't. when i started up, there was no welcome message on the screen or anything until it got to the desktop, and heres where things really got screwy. the wallpaper is 3/4 the size its suposed to be and the rest of the screen is blank white. whenever i try to open a program such as firefox right now it appears far off-screen to the left, and i have to bring it into view by rght-clicking the tab and selecting move. i'm pretty sure the problem is i need the drivers for it, i tried downloading them and insalling but the installer just sits there doing nothing.
now i've been waiting a long time to get a decent card and it still doesn't work, so please excuse me if i sound a little pissed in later replies.
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Did you delete your old video driver before you installed the new card?
If so then let Windows install a generic driver first to fix your immediate problem.
After that's done then manually install the correct driver off the disc.
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did you make sure you plugged in all connectors on vid card? what card are you using??
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If the other vide card is an onbaord video chip, you should ave removed the original drivers, rebooted, then disabled the onbaord video chip in the system BIOS, before installing the video card.
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did you make sure you plugged in all connectors on vid card? what card are you using??
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If you don't plug in all the power connectors to the video card, you won't get any signal at all to the monitor (dunno if the computer actually works)... I know from experience :(
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Try uninstalling drivers and reinstalling them. Make sure your resolution is ok. What video card do you have??? The latest nvidea drivers are 177.44 I think.
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If the other vide card is an onbaord video chip, you should ave removed the original drivers, rebooted, then disabled the onbaord video chip in the system BIOS, before installing the video card.
Ahh, that may be just what I need... now, how do I do it?
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If you don't plug in all the power connectors to the video card, you won't get any signal at all to the monitor (dunno if the computer actually works)... I know from experience :(
Not always, i had my 7900GS running without the needed extra power and it simply lowered the cards performance/power output to a safe level. It did not like it, but it worked for a few days while i got a new PSU. :aok
:salute
X
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when you uninstall the drivers there is a driver/cab cleaner that will remove the residuals from you computer. http://www.drivercleaner.net/ (http://www.drivercleaner.net/) its an easy download and a simplistic program to run. read the read me section. trust me its simple, i did it without managing to kill anything in my computer.
then do your re-install.
did you down grade your power supply?
good luck
FLOTSOM
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Not recommended to run video card under power spec. Video card may go poof! I know 3 guys who wasted a good video card. You computer has a power supply (stock is usually around 300w)and depending what you run, you may not use more than lets say 125w. That only leaves 275 left provided you have nothing else using power.
Not
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Not necessary to run driver cleaner but It will not hurt. Save new drivers and control panel on your desktop and then uninstall nvidea drivers and nvidea programs associated with your video card through control panel/add-remove programs . Reboot computer and reinstal new nvidea drivers and software. You will probably have to adjust your resolution and refresh rate. Then go to control panel and do your video card adjustments.
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Allen if you have an ATI video card you need net 2.0/ Again what kind of video card do you have?
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Ahh, that may be just what I need... now, how do I do it?
First you'll need to uninstall the drivers. Got to System Devices (Start/Control Panal/System/Hardware/System Devices). Identify your on-board video. Right click and hit properties and you should be able to uninstall the driver. You also might be able to do so in the Control Panal under Add or Remove Programs.
Reboot.
When the computer starts to boot up you need to enter the BIOS. You do this usually by hitting Del or F11 or some other key. Check your computer documentation.
Once in the BIOS look for something like On Board Peripherals or something similar. Go there and disable the on-board video.
Save the changes and let the system boot. Windows will detect new hardare (your new video card). When it asks you if it can find drivers click have disc. Install the disc and the drivers.
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Good point on bios bald. Drivers need to be removed and eagle has a good way but the driver package is in add/remove programs. You may not want to use the diskto re-install. There are more current drivers usually available. Download them and save them to your desktop. You can install them from desktop. The problem with using the disk is this: if there are updated drivers, you then have to go through the same process again. Updated Nvidea are 177.41(178 may be out) and I believe ATI is 8.7(may be newer one).
When you are done delete the driver file from your desktop or put them in a folder for safe keeping in case re-install does not work.
Keep your desktop clean as this will take some video memory with a saturated desktop.
ATI has an uninstall option in your add/remove programs. Again using a driver removal program will not hurt but these are easy steps.
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Good point on bios bald. Drivers need to be removed and eagle has a good way but the driver package is in add/remove programs. You may not want to use the diskto re-install. There are more current drivers usually available. Download them and save them to your desktop. You can install them from desktop. The problem with using the disk is this: if there are updated drivers, you then have to go through the same process again. Updated Nvidea are 177.41(178 may be out) and I believe ATI is 8.7(may be newer one).
When you are done delete the driver file from your desktop or put them in a folder for safe keeping in case re-install does not work.
Keep your desktop clean as this will take some video memory with a saturated desktop.
ATI has an uninstall option in your add/remove programs. Again using a driver removal program will not hurt but these are easy steps.
The guy is trying to solve a problem, don't add new ones for him. Its easier to upgrade drivers than it is to roll back drivers. Putting the newest drivers is NOT always the best way to go. He hasn't said which card he has. If its a 9800 Pro from ATI, its an older card that is still available and work well, however if you use anything other than the 4.12 drivers you run into a lot of graphic issues.
Start with the drivers your card comes with, then do a bit of research, even ask around here what people are using, then upgrade the drivers if you have to.
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I'm still having way to many problems with the driver, I downloaded the one it recommended and run it and when it finnishes it says "The system has not been modified. To install this program at a later time, run the instalation again."
forgot to mention, my disc drive doesn't work so the cd that came with it is useless to me
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Have you disabled on-board video and uninstalled previous video drivers yet?
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Fugitive. 1st of all we do not know what his video card is and you need to find the latest drivers for whatever card he uses latest drivers are always the best. Now if you install older drivers and want to update, it is sometimes best to uninstall old drivers and reinstall new and he would have to go thought his process again. ATI recommends that you uninstall old drivers before reinstalling new and they actually have an unnstall program in the driver download. Yes it probably will work with the drivers from the disk but if you read his post his disc drive DOES NOT WORK!
Again what video card do you have? We can help you better with this information. ATI needs net2.0 installed not net 1.0 or net 3.0.
Allen please reply with your video card and I will get you the link to the latest drivers!
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BTW, disc drives cost about $20 these days. I'd suggest you splurge and get one.
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BTW net 2.0 comes on ATI disk and it is needed this is why I am asking.Bald eagle is correct. Get a new disk drive!
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Fugitive. 1st of all we do not know what his video card is and you need to find the latest drivers for whatever card he uses latest drivers are always the best. Now if you install older drivers and want to update, it is sometimes best to uninstall old drivers and reinstall new and he would have to go thought his process again. ATI recommends that you uninstall old drivers before reinstalling new and they actually have an unnstall program in the driver download. Yes it probably will work with the drivers from the disk but if you read his post his disc drive DOES NOT WORK!
Again what video card do you have? We can help you better with this information. ATI needs net2.0 installed not net 1.0 or net 3.0.
Allen please reply with your video card and I will get you the link to the latest drivers!
The bold statement above is so wrong it is unbelievable! Do a search on these boards for "artifacts" or graphic anomalies" and you will find hundreds of posts about people who have had all kinds of trouble with drivers that are just too new.
I know for a fact that the newest drivers for the ATI cards will cause all kinds of trouble with the 9800 series of cards. I also use to use the 4.12s on my 850XT card. Newer is NOT always best.
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I believe you only need the NET framework if you install the Catalyst Control Center. There are better and less intrusive, lower CPU usage third party control panels available. Catalyst Control Center is a bloated pig. Avoid installing the .NET framework will be a good thing for your computer.
And the latest drivers are absolutely not the best drivers for many video cards. If you have a 5000 series, or eaelier NVidia card, then then best driver is the 61.77. NVidia stops optimizing drivers for each line of cards as they move forward. The latest drivers are optimized for the latest cards.
ATI is the same way. The Catalyst 4.12 drivers are still the best drivers for all 9000 series ATI cards.
You need to stop making these claims drdeathx. I know you want you want to help, but this is just going to cause a lot of problems if people did what you say.
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You need to stop making these claims drdeathx. I know you want you want to help, but this is just going to cause a lot of problems if people did what you say.
a personal message explaining this would have been far more appropriate than a smack in public. he is trying to help, we are not all as smart as required for home programing, he is giving his best. i apreciate his effort even if i dont use his advice, cause at least he is willing to sit down and try to come up with an answer. many in this community who have alot more expierience and know how couldnt be bothered to help.
besides Skuzzy, the retarded we sound in our posts the faster you seem to reply to them to keep us in the great unwashed masses from crashing our computers!!!!!! you sure he wasnt doing it just to make you respond faster??????
i thank all of you (drderthx and esspecially Skuzzy) for your input on any techincal matter that i may learn something from. even if it wasnt my post to begin with<SALUTE>
and ALLEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!are you ever gonna get around to telling us what kind your sound card is????!!!!!!!
FLOTSOM
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Not trying to smack just trying to get the guy who posted to put his vid card on and read the forum before replying.. Sry
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Flotsom had the ATI 4870 x 2 but after reading forums(amd) and looked only 1 cpu was working. The card had a lotta problems in genneral. I am now using Nvidea gtx 280 :cry
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Skuzzy just wanted to post the most current drivers available... Tryin to get Allen to post his vid card.. I will get the link for him as to the latest drivers for that card :cry
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a personal message explaining this would have been far more appropriate than a smack in public. he is trying to help, we are not all as smart as required for home programing, he is giving his best. i apreciate his effort even if i dont use his advice, cause at least he is willing to sit down and try to come up with an answer. many in this community who have alot more expierience and know how couldnt be bothered to help.
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A personal message would not have conveyed to everyone reading those recommedations to ignore them. I cannot afford to have anyone making recommendations which I know will cause problems for them.
Yes, when people make good recommendations, I do not need to post. So I do not. When people make bad recommendations, I will post to try and correct it.
Regardless of the intentions, if anyone makes bad recommendations, I will let everyone know it is bad. A personal message is not going to solve the problem created by bad recommendations. There are many people in this forum who have a good deal of valuable information and are willing to help. I am glad they are here.
By the way, I do not come to your place of business and tell you how to do your job. I would apppreciate the same respect. I do not publicly call people out, just for giggles. My only concern is making sure someone who asks for help gets it. Bad recommendations do not help anyone and can make things worse.
I find it ironic you ask me to PM him for making seriously incorrect recommendations which can screw up someones computer, and then you call me out publicly, for pointing out to everyone the information is wrong and he needs to stop making a habit of doing it.
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I have been looking over this forum for some time, I'll be building my new machine some time early next year.
If the issue was handled via PM, I would not know the advice wasn't sound. I happen to agree with Skuzzy on this one.
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Sorry for not replying, its been really screwy. I tried unistalling and disableing the other card and activating and installing my nvidia gforce 8400 PCI but it just won't work. Every time I restarted by the time it was supposed to get to the welcome message the screen either stayed blank or showed a screwed up bunch of colors. I don't know, I'm not going to bother with it anymore because it got so it wouldn't start up at all and I had to do a full system recovery. But there is good news about the recovery, it seems to have fixed the registry. I got the task pane back and all the folder options are back as well. None of my files were deleted either.
So, it looks like I may be little better off now, but it looks like I'll never get the vidcard to work.
Thanks anyway guys <<S>>
The Screwed One
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Regardless of the intentions, if anyone makes bad recommendations, I will let everyone know it is bad. A personal message is not going to solve the problem created by bad recommendations. There are many people in this forum who have a good deal of valuable information and are willing to help. I am glad they are here.
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I find it ironic you ask me to PM him for making seriously incorrect recommendations which can screw up someones computer, and then you call me out publicly, for pointing out to everyone the information is wrong and he needs to stop making a habit of doing it.
my point to it was to establish 2 things;
first, that you may not have considered just how insulting and degrading it is to be dragged on the carpet, even in a polite manner, in a public venue. if you make people afraid to speak at all because they may be rebuked then when they do have something to say they may never say anything at all. you have the confidence and conviction to be able to handle a little critisism without flinching, drdeathx may or may not.
second, if you had corrected the bad information with a corrective post in the forum and then sent him a PM letting him know that you appreciate his trying to help, but that in this instance he is wrong and that it would be better if he edited his post, it would get both the correct information out and avoid embarassing someone for wrongfully placed good intentions.
i have nothing but respect for you Skuzzy, (if i did not hold your skill in high regard i would never bother to ask your advice) and in no way was i intending to be disparaging towards you. i apologize if that is how it came across. i have seen to many smart people belittle and shame others of less knowledge in these forums and have developed a mental rash towards it. so forgive me if i spoke out of turn here. you are looked up to and respected by everyone that i have had any dealings with in aces high, so when you rubute someone publically it carries alot of weight. maybe more so than you give yourself credit for.
i dont wanna see someone who was willing to help, where most who could would not, silenced out of fear of speaking. corrected and made to understand his mistake..... yes, but publically embarassed in the process.......no.
DAMN IT ALLEN WILL YOU TELL US WHAT KIND OF CARD YOU HAD??!!!!!!!
<SALUTE> to you all
FLOTSOM
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nvidia gforce 8400 PCI
The Screwed One
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The Screwed One
oops sorry. i miss understood what your were saying i guess. i thought you ment you removed and replaced your original card with the 8400. so i was still wondering what the original card was.
my bad
FLOTSOM
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oops sorry. i miss understood what your were saying i guess. i thought you ment you removed and replaced your original card with the 8400. so i was still wondering what the original card was.
my bad
FLOTSOM
Sorry, got confused, thought you wanted to know what card I'm trying to stick in here. Heres the original:
Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
Also although I disabled the original, I did not remove it, could that have something to do with it?
I don't know, even if that is the problem and removing it would fix it, I'm not screwing with it anymore until I get someone who knows what they're doing to look at it.
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OK Allen,
Try this. Go to this link.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_169.21_whql.html
Download these drivers and SAVE IT ON YOUR DESKTOP.
*Go to your start menu/Control panel/Add remove programs. Remove Nvidea drivers.
Reboot computer.
Click on the Nvidea file you saved on your desktop(WHQL Nvidea driver 169)
Install and follow directions.
Reboot
*you can also un-install drivers by right clicking my computer/properties/hardware/device manager/display adapters
You will obviously have to adjust your resolution but this should work, Good luck and let us know!
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Sorry, got confused, thought you wanted to know what card I'm trying to stick in here. Heres the original:
Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
Also although I disabled the original, I did not remove it, could that have something to do with it?
I don't know, even if that is the problem and removing it would fix it, I'm not screwing with it anymore until I get someone who knows what they're doing to look at it.
You need to both disable the on-board video in the BIOS and remove it's drivers. If you don't remove the drivers before installing the new ones it's likely to create a conflict.
If you did install the new drivers before uninstalling the previous ones, then uninstalled the previous ones, some driver files may have been left behind which would still create a potential conflict. If this is the case, then uninstall the new drivers too (making sure the old ones are also uninstalled) and then reinstall the new ones. You might also want to run a driver cleaner before installing the new drivers to remove any potential residual files although you probably won't need to.
I know this sounds like a hassle but it's really not that hard. Maybe 15-20 minutes.
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Baldeagle is quite right.
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ooops bald forgot that thanks thought he had it
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under the assumption he was using same video card
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Ok, I went and screwed with it again even tho I said I wasn't going to anymore, and I think I found the problem. In the device manager the old card will not uninstall or be disabled. When I select uninstall it says the computer has to restart, so I restart, and I fined that it is not uninstalled and is still enabled in the device manager. The Intel is in a PCI slot so I don't think its an on-board, and I did go to the BOIS but it was already set to PCI.
Anyone know why the stupid thing won't leave me alone?
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The process is exact for removing old video cards. The following assumes an onboard video chip.
1) Remove the drivers for the offending video card/chip.
2) Reboot the computer
3) VERY IMPPORTANT! When the computer goes to reboot, you MUST NOT allow the computer to boot to Windows. You MUST enter the BIOS setup utility and DISABLE the onboard video chip. If you allow the computer to boot to WIndows, you will have to start all over.
4) Save the BIOS settings, shut the power down on the computer BEFORE it can boot to Windows.
5) Install the new video card.
6) Power up and boot to Windows.
Now, here is the rub. Some OEM computers were not designed to allow you to upgrade the video. If there is no PCI-E slot, ro AGP slot, there is a pretty good chance you cannot upgrade the video. Contacting the OEM and asking them is the best way to be sure if the system was designed to be upgraded.
The OEM will also be able to tell you exactly where the BIOS option is to shut off the onboard video chip.
If the video is an add in card, then it is simpler.
1) Remove the drivers for the offending video card.
2) Shutdown the computer
3) Open the computer and remove the old card.
4) Install the new card.
5) Install the new video card.
6) Power up and boot to Windows.
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3) Open the computer and remove the old card.
NOW YOU TELL ME! :rofl
I think I got it working, this time I used add/remove programs to uninstall the old one. Its still in there, but this time it is shown as disabled and everything seems to be working fine with the new one.
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Ok, it seemed like it was working, until it locked up and wouldn't let me boot back to descktop without getting either a blank screen or a screwed up bunch of colors again. I'm thinking left-over driver files from the other one are causing conflict, can anyone recomend a good driver cleaner?
3 pages and it still ain't fixed... :(
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Ok, it seemed like it was working, until it locked up and wouldn't let me boot back to descktop without getting either a blank screen or a screwed up bunch of colors again. I'm thinking left-over driver files from the other one are causing conflict, can anyone recomend a good driver cleaner?
3 pages and it still ain't fixed... :(
NOW YOU TELL ME! :rofl
I think I got it working, this time I used add/remove programs to uninstall the old one. Its still in there, but this time it is shown as disabled and everything seems to be working fine with the new one.
Take it out.
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Took it out after it locked up, no difference.
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Somethin really wierd is going on. This time, I first uninstalled the Intel drivers with add/remove programs, then went to device manager and disabled the card and uninstalled it from there. I shut the computer off, took out the intel and put in the nvidia, started up in safe mode, and I found the intel still listed in device manager as if it was being used. I then disabled and unistalled it AGAIN, and then installed the nvidia drivers, restarted, and it wouldn't even get to the desktop. Just a blank screen. I tried again, and every time it kept saying it had both the nvidia and the intel connected when I had the intel in a box a good 4 feet from the slot.
I have no clue, perhaps it was made this way just to screw me over?
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I have never seen an Intel video card. Every computer that has an Intel video chip, I have run into, had it built onto the motherboard.
What make/model is this computer?
The card you removed. Did it have the video cable plugged into the back of it, or is there a plug for a video cable near the keyboard cable plug?
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I have never seen an Intel video card. Every computer that has an Intel video chip, I have run into, had it built onto the motherboard.
What make/model is this computer?
The card you removed. Did it have the video cable plugged into the back of it, or is there a plug for a video cable near the keyboard cable plug?
who is willing to bet he pulled his sound card????????
a good driver removal program is called "driver cleaner". it is a free download is simple to use. FOLLOW THE DIRECTION that come in the help folder.
good luck
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HP Pavilion a1110n
Theres a plug near the keyboard slot.
So if thats my sound card in the only occupied PCI slot, why was the video in the BOIS set to PCI instead of on-board?
edit: Intel(R) blah blah blah graphics controller: location: PCI bus 0, device 2, function 0
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HP Pavilion a1110n
Theres a plug near the keyboard slot.
So if thats my sound card in the only occupied PCI slot, why was the video in the BOIS set to PCI instead of on-board?
edit: Intel(R) blah blah blah graphics controller: location: PCI bus 0, device 2, function 0
according to anything that i can find intel doesnt currently make a video card.
check out this article
http://news.softpedia.com/news/INTEL-Will-Produce-Video-Cards-56808.shtml (http://news.softpedia.com/news/INTEL-Will-Produce-Video-Cards-56808.shtml)
i do not think that was your video card you took out.
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http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&docname=c00388349&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
Hardware
Base processor
Celeron 345 (P) 3.06 GHz:
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533 MHz front side bus
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Socket 478
Chipset
Intel 845GV
Motherboard
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Manufacturer: Asus
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Motherboard Name: P4GV-LA
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HP motherboard name: Guppy-GL6E
Video graphics
Integrated with up to 64 MB allocated video memory
Sound/audio
* Controller: AC97 audio
* Location: Integrated
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Motherboard Info:
http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=8122
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Your video chip is on the motherboard. The PCI bus is not just relegated to slots. It also is implemented on the motherboard.
There is a very specific way to deal with it and it has already been stated a few times in this thread. If you deviate from that, then you will not be able to upgrade.
Now, knowing it is a HP Pavilion, there is a good chance the system cannot be upgraded. HP makes many computers which cannot be upgraded at all. If the onboard Intel video chip cannot be disabled in the system BIOS, then your computer cannot be upgraded. As your system does not appear o have an AGP slot, my guess is HP made no provision for it to be upgraded.
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Yep, looking at that motherboard layout there is no AGP or PCIe slot for an add-on video card. You appear to be relegated to onboard video.
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Looked at BIOS again and didn't see an option to disable onboard video, but I saw an option to disable a 1369 device, something like that, not sure if those last 2 numbers are right. What is a 13something device?
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Looked at BIOS again and didn't see an option to disable onboard video, but I saw an option to disable a 1369 device, something like that, not sure if those last 2 numbers are right. What is a 13something device?
It's a firewire port.
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I'm screwed.
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If you really wanted to use the new video card here's the only socket 478 motherboard I could find on newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138079
$59. The problem is you'd probably also have to replace the RAM and the power supply. Probably not worth the time or money for an outdated system.
I think it's time to upgrade the entire system.
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I think it's time to upgrade the entire system.
Ditto
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I think it's time to upgrade the entire system.
I'm really screwed.
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If you were willing to build a computer yourself, and knowing that you already have a new video card, as an example, here's a cheap system that you could build around it for just over $250 that would be a vast improvement over what you have. You'd have to use your current keyboard, mouse, monitor and speakers. I included both hard drive and optical drives to upgrade to SATA although your old IDE drives would work and save you another $62 bringing the total under $200. This doesn't include the operating system.
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He will need an operating system as HP's do not normally come with an OS CD.
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Talk about a bad deal..