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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Soda on April 05, 2001, 09:43:00 AM
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Another dweeb trick, hate to even mention it.
Seen this tactic used several times in the past week, fly in, drop bombs, then immediately bail so that the chasing fighters can't have a piece of you. No kill awarded since the bomber is yet to take any damage. The bombs still hit the ground and do their job...
I don't usually strafe chutes, but last night someone got some cannon fire for this little trick. 10 seconds from pulling the trigger on the bomber, and he bails....
-Soda
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One F4U was hitting our v-field and he already killed hangar and ack.
He saw me coming and dived to ground.
True hero.
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the only time i have ever done this is after dropping my bombs, ill will bail for a goon ( because of course nobody, save a few brave fellas, will bring one)
but soda i dont get it, they are just porking their score, decreasing the perks they will bring in etc...does it bother you that you dont have the opportunity to see your name in the SYSTEM text buffer?
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This IS an old infamous AW tactic. I'm not saying it's the new AW's doing it but the "MO" is there and there are people, whover they may be, doing it.
Shoot them in their chutes. Same as killing them in thier plane imo when they do this.
When they realise they get nothing for thier effort and can't get an Arado-234 due to lack of perks they may change thier tactic, if they sign up after thier 2-week trial that is.
-Westy
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loser,
After I've spent the time and effort to climb up to the bomber, set up a good attack against their vicious guns, to see them just bail is a total waste of my time. Lots of times if you are grabbing alt to them, you have also made sacrifices (like taking little fuel/ammo) in order to get up high fast. You've blown your WEP, dropped your externals, burned up tonnes of fuel, etc. So, you land and waste 10 minutes chasing something that is just gonna bail on you, boy wasn't that fun. The one weenie last night came in in a B-26, just screaming fast, turning his alt into speed to allow him the bombing run without having to worry about fighters. Then he was done, and I'd have caught him since he'd traded all that alt for speed... then he bails.
Staga, saw the same thing the other day. Pongo and I caught a C-Hog, his attack was blown so he dove it straight into the ground before we could catch him. We were still way too far back to take a shot when he did it, it was pretty obvious it was intentional. More suicide "human guided" bombs too... C-Hogs diving in and releasing their bombs 1 second before them ram a target.
-Soda
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Westy,
I'm pretty sure they still get perks, just not as many. I don't know that a capture = a death in every way (in K/D I think there ISN'T a difference) but in points there might be.
-Soda
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I had an Arado do it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I was d1.0 his 12 oc, going for a HO.
I laughed heartily, and proceeded to shoot the chute (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Heh, u can get almost the same perkies by bailing out after bombs are hit, only that 25% extra is gone.
People chuteing by purpose make me puke, really. Is it because of no ammo left, bad situation, fast need of goon, whatever...it is the dweepest thing to do.
Maybe time to increase manouver kill range.
janjan
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Guys can't speak for everyone, but I would doubt they are doing this to avoid a shoot down. I do this, can't see why anyone would fly all the way back to the field after doing a bomb run. Just to add to your score? Whats more dweeby, playing for score or playing to win the war? I generally - like ninety nine percent time (might fly back if I got a couple shoot downs for the score) do not land after a mission. Why? to avoid shoot downs? Nope. To increase sortie turn around and to make the base capture go faster. Heck if you are trying to solo a base, which I think half your buff pilots are doing, you HAVE to bomb n bail for the target to stay damaged long enough for you to bring the goon. Is this realistic? no not at all, but the problem is in reality you had dozens of bombers working together and support right ahead and behind them (of course in reality the whole base capture model falls apart anyway). Here you have one or maybe two guys working together most of the time. You have to bail to take the field. I for one find the most appealing aspect of this game (besides the lack of AW kiddies) to be the fact that the game has a point - winning the war! So thats what I am flying for. I won't normally bail though if I see a fighter coming, even if I dropped my bombs. If I see you - I want to shoot you down and will linger for that usually so you don't mess up my goon run. But if I do bail, say I didn't see you, feel free to shoot my chute in that circumstance. Normally I think chute shooting is putzy but in that circumstance it makes sense.
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By the way if you want to tweak the game to stop this tactic, do two things. One make Ack stay down longer - say 45 minutes instead of 30? GIve the buff time to fly home land and then grab a goon and return. Same thing with Hangars, but game play concerns makes that impossible of course. The other thing is to seriously increase the Perk/Score bonus for landing. If landing tripled your perk output, rather than adding a quarter, it may make that long dull trip more appealing.
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Do you realize you're "Gaming the game" ?
I hope most ppl still like to play as real as they can, including fly back to home after mission.
edited because I don't want to be banned.
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 04-06-2001).]
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If this is too much of an iaaue, just disable bailing from undamaged planes. That would force them to at least ditch.
That or then they'd just ALT-F4.
(I think alt-f4 is a bad thing)
J_A_B
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The tactic that I have learned to hate is very similar. You drop in and toss 2 1k eggs on a panzer. Because he is moving you miss a little, but both his tracks are gone. Your rockets dammage him further, and his guns become useless. Because I fly the Pony, you can't use guns on them, though I have tried. He stays in the panzer until you are out of range and he ditches (no kill).
Unless, I am misinterpreting the disabling of a vehicle, then this sucks.
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Voss
13th TAS
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Gaming the Game? Um if this wasnt meant to be how the game was played then AAA guns would stay destroyed more than half an hour. Fields are fifteen minutes apart buff/goon time, if you deack, fly back and bring goon you cant readily take the field as the first ack you dropped should be coming back up when you get there. There is no other way to do it, unless you rely on teamwork which is fun in theory but many times not possible as everyone is running around soloing or Furballing. The point of this game is to take bases, thats the winning goal set by the system. I play to take bases (unless we're getting steam rolled in which case I defend as well as my 400 Mhz allows). What are you playing for? If your playing for score, then arent you missing the point of the game victory conditions? Itd be like playing an avalon hill game to maximize the opportunity to roll dice but not trying to take objective hexes (you remember board games anyone?). Let me ask you this STaga whens the last time you flew a buff out for half an hour then flew it back ? Hmm? Do you even fly buffs?? Or do you just up and go after targets five minutes over your base? The Buffs are flying for long time to bring you something to shoot at, if you dont intercept them before they bombed you kinda failed your mission anyway. Intercept them earlier before they reach target, thats was the historical trend. Or are you just gaming the score?
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ROFLMAO !!!!
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/rank.gif)
And here's some more...
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/kills.gif)
I always do my best to get back to base with my plane. Next time you should check some stats before making yourself funny (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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btw these are from tour 14:
time in fighter____61:28:01
time in bomber_____38:51:54
time in attack_____04:29:57
Vehicle/boat_______16:22:06
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105score.pl?gameid=Staga&tour=Tour14 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105score.pl?gameid=Staga&tour=Tour14)
What was your question again? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I will rephrase my question, Do you have a life? Heh cause I don't and I still don't got those stats!!! But thats kind of my point Staga, you are after Points. Points aren't the point of the war, the point of the war is to capture bases. If this was Aw where the war was never won, then fine points is the only measure of success there. Here its different, maybe I am the only one who sees it that way but to me I think the war winning is the reason for the game. Pretty sad since I am a ROok and ROoks don't win wars of course LOL
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Same old argument about another point problem in gaming the game.
Do it like real life. No points if you can't come home to either land, or ditch in friendly territory where you're not captured.
Just like real life. If you don't live. You don't score. Of course, unlike real life you do get another chance to live and try again.
I really think this small change in the system will do away with so many problems.
Ranger Bob
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I second that Ranger you don't live no points.
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
Besser tot als rot
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Ya better watch it there Yello....lazs will be in here shortly to jump on ya for even mentioning that the purpose of the game is to "win the war." (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Not everyone plays this game the same way and for the same purpose. I dont always like to get involved in the organized strat stuff....sometimes its more fun to just go furballin'. Everybody spends their money here to have fun and your idea of fun may not be the same as another's. Keep that in mind. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sling322
Not a Monitor!
Fat Drunk "Chute Shooting" Bastards
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There is nothing realistic about capturing fields in AH, it's a issue of gameplay that isn't that poorly done. People whine about taking out the hangers to stop fighters taking off as not being realistic, it's not. Ack popping up after 30 minutes, nothing realistic there either. Then again, it's all in good gameplay as we know the goals we have to achieve in order to capture a field. It's really no more unrealistic than what you are asking for Yello, being able to solo capture a field. If you wanted realistic then you'd have to land 100 goons with troops to fight off the defending troops while every soldier with a rifle shot back at you if you flew under 500ft alt. The current method of field capture gives you tonnes of options, sneak a goon in after a de-ack raid, OR, hit the hangers and ack to make it safe, OR, get a tight vulch so a defending can't get a plane up to stop you... etc. Several options, not just send 100 goons to drop troops everywhere and then wait for the the battle to end (or something like that).
My point is, after you get by the realism of the capture model, which I think it mostly pretty workable, my problem is these people who are getting away scott-free by bombing and then bailing before they get chased down. They invest the time to come to the target, I invest the time to stop them. If they bail then they get away and I've invested my game time for nothing. At least give me the satisfaction of helping them improve their gunner aim while they try and fend me off and me the satisfaction of trying to shoot them down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
btw, it is possible to self goon a target right now, you just have to be really quick about it. The ack isn't the problem, it's the hangers that pop up really fast. You just need to get all the ack in a nice compact period of time (3 passes), get back to land and run the goon straight in. If you snooze or take your time you'll catch the hangers out of sequence. 30 minutes on the ack is actually quite a long time if you just do one field then run back for a goon.
-Soda
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Yello I'm playing for my virtual country, Not for my scores.
If I would like to do that I woudn't try to defend fields agains red masses or try to kill buffs flying at 26-30k. Also I would change to country with more players which I never going to do. You already made yourself look like a fool, Wanna do it again?