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Title: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 12:45:55 PM
To hype up next month's FSO, Miracle at Midway, here's the question. And the answer is not what you think. How many Japanese aircraft carriers were involved in the Battle of Midway? (This does not include the diversionary attack on Alaska)

Not sure? Try this one as well.

What other country was involved in the attack on Pearl Harbor?
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: morfiend on October 21, 2008, 12:51:02 PM
England!! they needed the US to join the war so drew up plans for tojo.... :lol
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 21, 2008, 12:53:02 PM
the answer is not what you think.

Darn, I was going to make a guess until I read that! :cry
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 12:53:20 PM
Nope to the second question. You're close though.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Becinhu on October 21, 2008, 12:54:56 PM
Germany..... :rofl
Six carriers. Four fleet carriers and 2 light carriers.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Furball on October 21, 2008, 12:56:09 PM
Nope to the second question. You're close though.

FRANCE!!!

Darn them.  :mad:

Happy Trafalgar day France.  bahaha.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 12:56:44 PM
nope to each. Good try though, and not France either.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: PFactorDave on October 21, 2008, 12:58:00 PM
8 carriers if you count the 4 main carriers, 1 light carrier, and 3 seaplane carriers.  Although there is some confusion on my part because the Chitose is listed twice, I'm not certain why that is.

Information found here:  http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq81-6.htm
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Furball on October 21, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
nope to each. Good try though, and not France either.

Ireland! they were probably drunk and looking for a fight.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 01:04:58 PM
Points to Dave! Although my Wiki reference has 9. The Zuihō (CVL) as well as the Hōshō, Chiyoda, Nisshin, and Chitose (CVS's). These are in addition to the 4 that were lost in the actual battle.

Now how about that second question for extra points? And no, not the Irish
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: evenhaim on October 21, 2008, 01:20:04 PM
The peoples republic of kazakistan
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 01:21:18 PM
kazakistan?  :O
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: PFactorDave on October 21, 2008, 01:30:01 PM
Points to Dave! Although my Wiki reference has 9. The Zuihō (CVL) as well as the Hōshō, Chiyoda, Nisshin, and Chitose (CVS's). These are in addition to the 4 that were lost in the actual battle.

Well, all things considered, I prefer to trust the Dept of the Navy Historical Center over Wiki...   ;)

As for question two, I have no idea.

Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Rich46yo on October 21, 2008, 01:32:54 PM
I always thought it was 6 sent, however 2 of them were diverted to what became The Battle of the Coral Sea. This is from memory. The 2 diverted, I forget the names, were sunk or heavily damaged. I cant remember. Unfortunately for the IJN 3 of the 4 CVs they lost at Midway were considered, for them, large CVs. The USN describes such things named ESSEX, but for the IJN losing 3 fast, large CVs was pretty much the end of offensive naval air operations.

When people ask me when the Japanese really lost the war I always answered at Midway. Yamamoto knew it to.

My answer is four CVs.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Shifty on October 21, 2008, 01:35:28 PM
Question number two.... Kingdom of Hawaii?
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 21, 2008, 01:37:05 PM
Question number two.... Kingdom of Hawaii?

IIRC, the Kingdom ceased to be in the late 1800's.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Shifty on October 21, 2008, 01:40:22 PM
IIRC, the Kingdom ceased to be in the late 1800's.


ack-ack

True but even though a territory it still had a royal family. Just a stab in the dark anyway. :D
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Corrs on October 21, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
ew ew...I know the answer...its Krakozhia lead by Viktor Navorski
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 01:45:13 PM
Sorry Shifty...not the right answer. Good try though. This nation had a military unit in the battle. (Reference: Day of Infamy, by Walter Lord)

For Rich, yes you are correct in that respect. The Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, and Soryu we sunk in the battle, while the Light Carriers Ryujo and Junyo attacked the Aluetians. The Shokaku and Zuikaku were damaged at Coral Sea, while the Shoho was sunk. The rest of the listed Japanese carriers were assigned to Yamamoto's Battleship and reserve groups.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Curlew on October 21, 2008, 01:46:02 PM
IT WAS THOSE DANM SOVIET B@ST@RDS
<shakes fist in the air>
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Furball on October 21, 2008, 01:51:26 PM
Dutch?
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 01:51:52 PM
Nope! Not the Soviets. (They didn't declare war until 1945)
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Shifty on October 21, 2008, 01:53:23 PM
I'm with Furball !! What about the Dutch?

I don't have day of Infamy. I have At Dawn We Slept.  :D
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 01:53:59 PM
Dutch?

Correct! There was a Dutch Merchantman in port that morning. Being as the Dutch were all ready at war with Japan, they knew just what to do and opened fire as soon as the gun covers were taken off. Good job!
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Shifty on October 21, 2008, 01:55:28 PM
Correct! There was a Dutch Merchantman in port that morning. Being as the Dutch were all ready at war with Japan, they knew just what to do and opened fire as soon as the gun covers were taken off. Good job!

I didn't know the Dutch and Japanese were at war before December 7th...
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 01:59:00 PM
Indeed they were. Next question: Which 4 Japanese Carriers survived the war?

Bonus question: What sank the U-120?
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 21, 2008, 01:59:07 PM
It makes sense with the Dutch territories in the south pacific.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: humble on October 21, 2008, 01:59:34 PM
Question 2 is technically the Dutch in that a Dutch sub either intercepted radio traffic or actually saw the carrier fleet en route. My understanding is that the info was relayed to England and withheld...

This story has never been confirmed and  a lot of evidence does point to it being false. what is intriguing however is that one of the British intelligence agents involved in the transfer of documents recovered to the Dutch was Ian Flemming.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: bongaroo on October 21, 2008, 02:05:40 PM
Read a good book that I'll have to go find to remember the name.  It pretty much lays out that the US knew for fact that the Japanese were about to attack.  What I can't remember is if there was enough information that says we also knew it would be Pearl Harbor.

Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Shifty on October 21, 2008, 02:12:31 PM
Indeed they were. Next question: Which 4 Japanese Carriers survived the war?

Bonus question: What sank the U-120?

I can name Hosho, Ryuho, Junyo, and Katsuragi, there are a few more that were never operational.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 02:19:46 PM
good job Shifty! Can you get the extra points now? To clarify it's the U-1206, not the U-120...forgot to check my reference
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Shifty on October 21, 2008, 02:30:22 PM
LOL I don't have much interest in the Kreigsmarine bud.

I did find this

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1941/411208c.html

I still cannot find any evidence that the Netherlands were at war with Japan before the Pearl Harbor attack.
I know Dutch navy and Air Forces fought against the Japanese after Pearl Harbor, but I don't think they were at war before that.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 21, 2008, 02:38:47 PM
Read a good book that I'll have to go find to remember the name.  It pretty much lays out that the US knew for fact that the Japanese were about to attack.  What I can't remember is if there was enough information that says we also knew it would be Pearl Harbor.



While it was pretty much guaranteed there was going to be a war between the US and Japan over the oil embargo we imposed and refused to remove, it wasn't known where or when the attack would occur.


ack-ack


Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 02:41:31 PM
My mistake, let me clarify. The Dutch had all ready surrendered to Germany in 1940. However, they still had units fighting. I should have rephrased that. Sorry.
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Shifty on October 21, 2008, 02:49:12 PM
My mistake, let me clarify. The Dutch had all ready surrendered to Germany in 1940. However, they still had units fighting. I should have rephrased that. Sorry.

No problem,remeber you're talking to a guy that gave The Kingdom of Hawaii as an answer to question 2 earlier.  ;)
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: humble on October 21, 2008, 03:27:37 PM
On 14 April 1945, only 8-10 miles off the British coast line, the boat was safely cruising at 200 feet when the commander, Schlitt, decided to use the toilet without the help of a trained specialist (the system was complicated). Something went wrong and when the specialist arrived he misunderstood something and opened the wrong valve with the end results that large amount of seawater got into the boat. The seawater reached the batteries directly under the toilet causing chlorine gas to form and the boat had to be surfaced immediately right under the enemy. When the boat reached the surface they managed to blow clean air into the boat but at the same time an aircraft bombed the boat causing extensive damages leaving the boat unable to dive. Seeing the hopeless situation Schlitt had no choice but to destroy his secret material and abandon ship to safe his crew :rofl :rofl :aok :O :rock

Just goes to show that its always dangerous to "take a Schlitt" during war times.....http://www.uboat.net/boats/u1206.htm
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: apcampbell on October 21, 2008, 04:20:24 PM
BONUS POINTS! U-1206 was sunk by a malfunctioning toilet! Good Job!
Title: Re: Not a lot of people knew that...do you?
Post by: Babalonian on October 21, 2008, 04:40:22 PM
BONUS POINTS! U-1206 was sunk by a malfunctioning toilet! Good Job!

There's probably a good "pilots screw up in a plane it's 'pilot error', seamen screw up in a sub it's a 'mechanical malfunction'" joke in there.