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Title: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: Wedge1126 on October 22, 2008, 01:32:09 AM
Took a trip to Paul Allen's Flying Heritage Collection (http://www.flyingheritage.com/) last weekend. They were flying his 109 and I-16.  :rock

Click Here (http://www.wedge1126.dreamhosters.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=30) for pics!

I took more pictures inside the hangar of his other planes. I'll upload those later.
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: Scherf on October 22, 2008, 04:40:47 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: Charge on October 22, 2008, 05:40:58 AM
Beautiful pics! Thanks for sharing!  :aok

-C+
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: BaldEagl on October 22, 2008, 09:04:49 AM
Nice pics.

I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16, I-16,
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 22, 2008, 10:32:29 AM
What's with the open canopy on the I-16? :confused:
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: Wedge1126 on October 22, 2008, 10:50:08 AM
I don't know, but Wikipedia says:

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Due to the poor quality of the canopy glazing, the I-16 Type 5 pilots typically left the canopy open or removed the rear portion completely.
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The canopy tended to become fouled with engine oil and the moving portion was prone to slamming shut during hard maneuvers which caused many pilots to fix it in the open position.

The one I took pictures of is supposed to be a Type 24.
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: BaldEagl on October 22, 2008, 11:42:29 AM
What's with the open canopy on the I-16? :confused:

They were built in high wing, low wing, open canopy, closed canopy and two seat trainer variations.
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: macerxgp on October 22, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
DAMN the I-16 had a small prop!  :O It looks almost comical! How in the world di it end up that way? :confused:
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: OntosMk1 on October 28, 2008, 01:27:41 PM
Wow, i noticed the 109 had the nazi swastika on the tail. Pretty rare. I dont think ive seen any of the other restored German A/C with the swastika tail marking. I could be wrong though. Great pics  :salute
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: zuii on October 28, 2008, 04:40:15 PM
The 190 longnose dora was cool. Anyone want to share information on that?



zuii
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: Karnak on October 29, 2008, 02:05:32 AM
Wow, i noticed the 109 had the nazi swastika on the tail. Pretty rare. I dont think ive seen any of the other restored German A/C with the swastika tail marking. I could be wrong though. Great pics  :salute
Almost all restored German aircraft I've seen have the swastika.  Even Germany doesn't ban them in that context.
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: Charge on October 29, 2008, 06:04:25 AM
Flugwerk FWs don't have swastikas, though. Somehow it is symbolic too. In a way those recreated technological achievements are now free of the burden that created them in the first place. But abroad the tail swastika is part of history of the restored aircraft itself so it is a bit different matter.

IIRC During the WW2 some units of LW painted over the swastikas in protest to Nazi regime (Galland involved?). So obviously the marking had some meaning to the pilots, although I have never read of how the pilots felt flying with swastika painted on their aircraft if their political view was not sympathetic to "cause". But a paint job is probably not a big deal individually if the survival itself is unsure...

-C+
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: OntosMk1 on October 30, 2008, 03:20:14 PM
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IIRC During the WW2 some units of LW painted over the swastikas in protest to Nazi regime

Is that why in some pics of Late WW2 German planes they have a Diamond on the tail?
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: Serenity on October 31, 2008, 07:57:40 PM
IIRC During the WW2 some units of LW painted over the swastikas in protest to Nazi regime (Galland involved?). So obviously the marking had some meaning to the pilots, although I have never read of how the pilots felt flying with swastika painted on their aircraft if their political view was not sympathetic to "cause". But a paint job is probably not a big deal individually if the survival itself is unsure...

-C+

JG53. Early in the war, the Geschwaderkommandeur (SP?) married a jewish woman. As punishment for that, they were ordered to paint a "Red Badge of Shame" over their Geschwader emblem. As a result, they also painted over their swastikas in protest. A Bf-109E skin I did (A LONG time ago) with that red badge of shame was just accepted into the game.
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: l0newolf on September 06, 2009, 08:35:27 PM
i live right acrossed rorm that  :)


seen that i16 fire up nice sound awsome plane  :aok  :salute
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: gripen on September 07, 2009, 04:23:46 AM
DAMN the I-16 had a small prop!  :O It looks almost comical! How in the world di it end up that way? :confused:

IIRC the story went something like this: The original I-16 had the direct driven M-62 (or M-63, M-25 etc.) driving two blade propeller while the replica builders had only the M-62R with fourblade propeller available which is a geared civil version of the M-62 (used in the An-2). So they took two blades of that 4-blade propeller and the result is what you see there... this is also why the spinner is much longer than in the original plane (Hamilton standard copy with the counter weights).
Title: Re: Bf 109E-3 and I-16 Rata (Pics inside)
Post by: usvi on September 07, 2009, 07:04:21 AM
(http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/aircraft/fighter/polikarpov-i-16/polikarpov-i-16-02.jpg)