Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: XAKL on October 27, 2008, 11:52:34 AM
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Didn't the Brits use P-40 during BoB? in small #? If so, why not add p-40 to the line up
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Didn't the Brits use P-40 during BoB?
Never heard of that. What's your source?
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The P-40 was not flown in combat by the RAF until 1941, and that was in North Africa.
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Never heard of that. What's your source?
Trying anything to make this BoB a little more interesting
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come in tonight, you'll find out how interesting it can get! its been pretty good until it got porked this weekend. we were hoping to nail the guys that were going to practice on friday night for the FSO, but there were no CM's to be found to fix the situation.
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Trying anything to make this BoB a little more interesting
:huh
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The AvA is interesting because of it's historic planesets for the current setup of the arena. To add a plane to that set that doesn't belong kinda comprimises the reason we have an AvA.
BoB setups are great because we get to fly early versions of spitfires, hurricanes, 109s and 110s... just like the real thing. Now THAT'S interesting. :salute
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P-40 was used by Brits, they actually put Melin engines in theirs.
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P-40 was used by Brits, they actually put Melin engines in theirs.
... in North Africa ;)
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I didn't specify which theater Bubi, just stating a fact :furious
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I didn't specify which theater Bubi, just stating a fact :furious
I would appreciate some sources on this, first time I've ever heard it.
- oldman
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IIRC some P-40 versions had a Packard Merlin engine but I may be mistaken.
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The P40F and L and maybe others (I'm no expert on the P40) had a Packard-Merlin.
You can clearly see it in this picture (note lack of the airscoop on top that characterizes the Allison equipped versions)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/P-40-flightline-201024.jpg)
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http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/p40_kittyhawk.htm (http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/p40_kittyhawk.htm)
http://www.vintagewings.ca/page?a=320&lang=en-CA (http://www.vintagewings.ca/page?a=320&lang=en-CA)
"The Curtiss P-40 was a formidable fighter and ground attack aircraft in the right hands. Employed in theatres from China to New Guinea to the Aleutians to North Africa, P-40 variants had many names including the Tomahawk, Kittyhawk and Warhawk. The Kittyhawk was the name given by British Commonwealth air forces to the P-40E model and subsequent variants.
The P-40 saw action with the Desert Air Force of the RAF in North Africa. Though not a first rate high altitude dogfighter, the Kittyhawk with its long range, bomb load and armour, became a formidable low-level fighter-bomber.
Most know the P-40 as the mount of American General Clair Chenault's Flyng Tigers operating in China against the Japanese at the outset of the war. But, one of the greatest P-40 pilots anywhere was Canada's own W/C James "Stocky" Edwards who flew hundreds of successful Kittyhawk missions with 260 Squadron in the North African campaign. Edwards used his underrated Kittyhawk to shoot down Luftwaffe ace Otto Schulz, one of the most skilled pilots flying a supposed superior aircraft - the Messerschmitt Bf-109F. To honour this great Canadian pilot, the Vintage Wings of Canada P-40 is painted in the exact Desert Air Force markings of Edwards' 260 Squadron Kittyhawk."
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Otto Schulz scored an impressive number of victories in 1 on 1 engagements vs other aces. His kills included Tiny Cameron & Neville Duke (26 kills) 11/30/42, Nikki Barr (11) 5 in 10 minutes including Imshi Mason (15). He had just shot down Wally Conrad (6) in a hurricane when he was engaged by Edwards and killed...
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One thing I think that gets old for the British is the common claim by uneducated Americans that the British would not have won the Battle of Britain without US support via Lend Lease. Lend Lease did not happen until 1941, well after the Battle of Britain. The US was not gung ho to support a nation that we thought was likely to be overrun by the Germans. It is more complex than that obviously, but I don't feel like typing a paper. :P
Most people here don't make those kinds of claims, but man oh man are youtube video comments full of them.
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I love talking with all these WW2 aircraft buffs. Bubi thanks for the info, you know alot of nice little facts
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The P40F and L and maybe others (I'm no expert on the P40) had a Packard-Merlin.
You can clearly see it in this picture (note lack of the airscoop on top that characterizes the Allison equipped versions)
How about that. Thanks, Bubi, something new learned every day.
- oldman
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One thing I think that gets old for the British is the common claim by uneducated Americans that the British would not have won the Battle of Britain without US support via Lend Lease. Lend Lease did not happen until 1941, well after the Battle of Britain. The US was not gung ho to support a nation that we thought was likely to be overrun by the Germans. It is more complex than that obviously, but I don't feel like typing a paper. :P
Most people here don't make those kinds of claims, but man oh man are youtube video comments full of them.
good thing we did help you, otherwise you'd be listening to oompa music and wearing lederhosen! :lol
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good thing we did help you, otherwise you'd be listening to oompa music and wearing lederhosen! :lol
FYI, I'm an American. No way the Germans or Japanese every could have invaded my country successfully.
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NI thought you were a brit too Karnak. What do you think about the Mossie in this game? undermodeled no?
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FYI, I'm an American. No way the Germans or Japanese every could have invaded my country successfully.
Well the germans did to a good job bombing pearl harbor. :aok
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NI thought you were a brit too Karnak. What do you think about the Mossie in this game? undermodeled no?
Modeled pretty accurately with the dampers on.
There are issues about the modeling of cruise speeds that cause other aircraft in its class to seem more competitive than they were. MIL power was not the normal flight power level and Mossies cruised much faster than other strike aircraft/heavy fighters/light-medium bombers.
I would very much like to see it redone without the flame dampers. I'd expect a 10-15mph gain from that.
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Modeled pretty accurately with the dampers on.
There are issues about the modeling of cruise speeds that cause other aircraft in its class to seem more competitive than they were. MIL power was not the normal flight power level and Mossies cruised much faster than other strike aircraft/heavy fighters/light-medium bombers.
I would very much like to see it redone without the flame dampers. I'd expect a 10-15mph gain from that.
I keep on hearing that Mosquito was the fastest prop plane in the war. Why does it seem that in AHII that it's not?