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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: brady on March 02, 2001, 07:41:00 PM
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Simple put do u ditch for a new mount instead of RTBing or do u always try and RTB?
Does your squad do this as a general rule or not?
Brady
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I take enough fuel to get to a place and fight. If I look down and see I have 5 minutes left of fuel I point towards home. Sometimes I get there, sometimes I don't. I try to live, but beyond that I don't care if I bring the kite home or not. The funny part is there is no discernable difference to the perk points either way!
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I like to try and rtb but some one always managers to shoot me f**King down before i get there love this part of the game. I wish i was good at this dogfighting lark so i could kill the little s**t on my six
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I thought you get more points if you rtb.
I ly the 38 and if i lose an engine or get TOO outnumbered i head home, I fly like i would in real life to a degree. One of the bigest goals of my mission is to return.
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I always take off with the intention of landing at a friendly airfield (or vehicle field at least, I did this once (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
Unfortunately I rarely manage to do so. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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-Karnak
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I ditch when the plane I'm in can't stay airborne and I can't make it back to base. I always try to make it to base.. but sometimes the fuel state was mis-judged or the oil didn't hang on long enough.
That's what I do. I don't really expect anyone to do the same or care one way or the other.
AKDejaVu
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Landing? Ditching? My primative mind can't grasp such concepts!
-- Todd/DMF
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I only ditch when im outa fuel. When im outa ammo ill auger for new plane. Hey, i pay to fight, not fly doin nothing while RTBing.
I just wana kill chit!!!!!!!
Dog out.........
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I like to pretend I'm ditching then when they come at my six I pull my insta-roll manouver hack and make them overshoot into 30mm... err well thats what towd calls it.
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If im in that big of a hurry i dont bother ditching, takes too long. I point the nose into the ground and poof, instantly back in the tower.
I dont do it often, but count on it when i am in the air and someone yells mission up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If its convinient I'll RTB, or sometimes if its a challenge (when Im all shot to hell).
But generally, the reward for RTB is far FAR *F*A*R* too meager to bother with in many cases. I think a succesfull RTB should double or tripple perkies for fighters, and bombers should get an even heaftier bonus! I cant recall the last time I saw a Buff make it back to base....why, cause it takes 30 minutes, and its B-O-R-I-N-G
J1MO
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I ditch only if it cannot be flown back to base.
As for "ethics" ? Get that hipping-commie-socialist talk outa here!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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ya know ya hear people squeak about "gaming the game" as they call it all the time. Things like sitting up in yer seat to get a better view is "gaming the game" and other retarded crap like that...Im suprised they havent burned crosses on this. I personally think you sell the game short by flying to the action and when yer out of bullets or lose yer rudder just slamming into the ground so you can re-up quicker..actually i think thats stupid. As a FLIGHT SIM part of the FLIGHT should be LIVING THROUGH IT.
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If nearest base > 10 miles then nose down, wep engaged.
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I always try to RTB but I'm not judging those who don't.
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576 Squadron (Bomber Command)- RAF
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
ya know ya hear people squeak about "gaming the game" as they call it all the time. Things like sitting up in yer seat to get a better view is "gaming the game" and other retarded crap like that...Im suprised they havent burned crosses on this. I personally think you sell the game short by flying to the action and when yer out of bullets or lose yer rudder just slamming into the ground so you can re-up quicker..actually i think thats stupid. As a FLIGHT SIM part of the FLIGHT should be LIVING THROUGH IT.
I agree Wobble. Primarily, I always "try" to get home, sometimes I can't, often I don't, but always I try. I will however auger in order to get in on a mission. There is only one other time I will auger on purpose, and thats when I've been working my butt off to stay alive...have a horde of bad guyz on my tail, I'm actually thinking I'll get away and then see some drooling boomer screaming down from ungodly altitude looking for the easy kill. Yes... I crash on purpose and smile knowing I've robbed someone thier altitude AND a kill. Hey..I'm dead anyway right? haha.
Swamp
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I crash on purpose and smile knowing I've robbed someone thier altitude AND a kill.
ohhh you evil evil man, who you fly for? some bish p-51 did that to me earlier today, i was in my 38 at around 20k looking for some buffs headed for a36 and i say a lone 51 about 10 k below me, as soon as i started my downward flight (gotta be careful witht the 38) he went nose down and BOOM!, he might have oversped but he was only at about 10k so i doubt it...little bugger. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Zigrat: mission rolls in 2 minutes
hblair: rgr, rtb now
zigrat: mission rolls in 1 minute
hblair: hmmmm
<hblair puts 109's nose down, engages WEP, and makes a big arsed smokin hole in the ground, joins mission. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)>
I gotta stop doing this stuff though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The fact: everyone pays to play AH (not the same amount for all, ehhhmm, but this is another story .. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) ), so everyone can say, "i fly as i like". :P
Despite this, i'm asking: i like to play and think of a realistic simulation, my goal is to kill enemy planes, and conquer enemy fields,but my real goal is to come back home with my fighter, if i can; this way only i can feel that my sweep has been succesfull even if i havent manage to do a kill (please restrict this to MA ,and not to Scenarios, to prevent flaming)
I know many of you think this way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Who likes upping and shooting, who likes dogfithing only, who ditches or bails to reup faster when damaged , IMHO has not fully realized the spirit of the game in MA, that is going in a more strategical direction (or should be??) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Wouldnt be better use H2H arena, ladder ,and other "dogfigthing only games or arenas"for this purpouse???
RFF
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Stefano "Nibbio"
4°Stormo CT "F.Baracca"
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I fly to live - well I at least I try... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Not much in AH can beat the feeling of sucessfully landing a multikill sortie with your squad in formation. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Building up more and more gliding experience in the 190 - tend to stay a tad too long... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But hey, with our current E modelling you can glide sectors!!! Waiting for HT to include thermal upstreams...
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~Kirin~
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[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 03-03-2001).]
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Fly to live , when shot to hell still fly to live so i'll always try to make it as far back to friendly lines / base as possible and ditch if i can't keep her airborne till i'm home.
As Kirin said sucessfull landing makes a sortie a LOT betetr (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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There's no place like home (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Wow, most people here seem to get it, though a few apparently don't.
These games are about fun. They are about this games ability to create a small cacoon we wrap around ourselves for a few fleeting moments, where we forget the rest of the world and its problems for a little while. They are a release from our dull lives. They release the "Walter Mitty" in us. They let us live our fantasy historical lives. They are about putting us in a place where, in our small part of the universe we are in charge. They are all that and more, and for that reason you are going to have a vastly different opinion on what is "right or wrong" or even "how the game should be played". I laugh to myself anytime I read someone say something like "man, those dweebs that do XXXX just don't get it, they should play the way it REALLY should be done!"
Seems to me that, so long as they are playing within the rules of the game and are having a good time they ARE playing the game the right way. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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There's been a few times I've lost my temper over something and continued to up a bomber trying to get that 1 magick shot in on the C47 but...
in a fighter I never go into something thinking what the hell i can re-up. I always try to land or get that extra yardage out of a damaged plane.
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Wingnut
Luftjagerkorps
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The quality of the box matters little. Success depends upon the man who sits in it - Baron Manfred von Richthofen
[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 03-03-2001).]
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Ethics?......We don't need no stinking Ethics!
Cobra (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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wobble...RTB is gaming the game to me. What, you deserve 'points' for time wasted? I land if the field is close since landing is the fastest way down without giving someone a kill by augering when I've allready been hit. I NEVER bail... There is a real wussy gaming the game move.... Skew your K/D ratio by a wussy bail? ditching can be fun tho and i try to do it when I'm out of fuel or ammo and a long way from home (after taking a few pings). I allways try to ditch to deny the other guy the kill.
If I am all alone and unhurt and a long way from home I either auger or alt f4 out. I auger if i think there may be some action somewhere else and alt f4 out if the whole map is boring.
it's quite simple really.
lazs
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I fight 'till my tanks are dry (usually even if I have no ammo), then, if there are still enemy trying to shoot me down, I fight on until I can't possibly fly any more, *then* I'll try to ditch.
Unless there are no enemy planes around. In that case I'll just auger.
anRky
-Ih8ubb
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Nothing like rolling a B-17 into a vehicle field when low on fuel... Check out the expression on the M3 driver's face! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S>IC
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I fly and fight till I die (to see this, all you have to do is check my stats 300+ kills, 300+ deaths (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
Sometimes I will try and RTB, but I am paying to fight, not fly, so I will fly till I die or crash.
-math
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"Any American fighter near Orote Penninsula. I have forty Jap planes surrounded and need a little help."
-Ens. W.B. "Spider" Webb during the Marians Turkey Shoot
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you mean we are allowed to RTB, danm, 18 months and nobody told me this before.
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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just try not to give up a kill , or die ,
ALL HIPPIES AREN"T COMMIE SOCIALISTS
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GOOD QUESTION (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)hmmmmm .>>>> SIPS DRINKS GOTgot to think on that 1 >>>takes another sip (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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DRILL
CO 457TH
[This message has been edited by DRILL (edited 03-03-2001).]
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Landing safely a beat-up yak (no gear- no flaps- half a wing blown off) on the runway after evading several enemies was the most rewarding thing I did last tour (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Flew through a whole grid just trying too keep it level ...
...really got sweaty palms on that flight...
I was glad to see the "you landed safely" message ! even better than shooting my pal Camo ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"Ten Feet Tall and Bulletproof"
(I am overmodelled ! )
[This message has been edited by Spooky67 (edited 03-04-2001).]
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Everybody has their way of playing the game. If it's within the capabilities of the game then go for it.
I get my thrills RTB'ing. To me that is half the satisfaction of the flight. To get a kill and not return isn't as much a thrill to me as an assist with an RTB.
I don't really think it's a matter of ethics, it is a matter of what is important to the individual playing the game (sim). Everyone pays his money and as long as what they do does not interfere with the capabilities of someone else doing their thing then why does it matter?
The guys in the squad I fly with try to rtb. When the 'ole jug won't fly anymore we try to ditch it. We have augered on occasion to enable us to join a mission.
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Well Paint in UPR the state university here in PR all you see are White beautiful girl,hippies and commies all around maybe because they're all blonde....
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
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Tis not important how one goes,but who goes with you.
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The only time I auger is when I see a suspicious radar blip slowly moving thru a quiet area. Bomber incomming. I hate those freebie mission bombers and will up a Me109G10 with gun pods and time is precious.
Otherwise, I will be dammed if I don't try to RTB or ditch. I don't want anybody to get a kill or assist off me. You will have to earn your score.
This is why I also like the perk plane system. You get extra points for landing, and they get none if you live to ditch or RTB. There is a reason to live.
Hans.
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RTB when i can, never ditch unless i'm in a gv. Auger... i've done it on purpose once or twice when the call for an m3 or goon has fallen on deaf ears.
SKurj
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What Fatty & hblair said.
Cheers,
Pepe
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This is why I also like the perk plane system. You get extra points for landing, and they get none if you live to ditch or RTB. There is a reason to live.
Yup, my last sortie last night was a whopping 3.6 points or so- RTB'd after 6 kills. The sortie before I had killed 4, got maybe 2+ points, despite ditching. I'll be in an AR234 in no time! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Try to make it back? yes
actually manage to? no
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This was an enjoyable thread to read.
I guess I had a lot of problems with this question for a while. But people here have summed up why the answer is clear to me now.
AH is not a sim. It's a game.
Because it's not a sim, everyone has fun playing it as the like - some rtb, while others crash the plane into the ground on purpose.
Anyone who does auger like this must have a clear mind about AH being a game - you play by the rules of the game and that's it. What's funny is when people fly this way, then advocate AH as some "serious sim". If it was, there would be a huge penalty for intentional augering. Heck - even damaging equipment for no reason should get you a court-martial.
The problem is when someone wants to think about AH as more than a game. When you do this, it's easy to get confused really quickly - not just from the auger standpoint, but from many other aspects as well.
Personally, I find that flying the Falcon 4 campaign, coop with squaddies, a lot more satisfying "as a sim", since it is mission-based by nature, has no labels, is on a realistic map, has two "sides" in the war, etc. etc. Even ejecting out of an undamaged plane for no reason can get you busted!
AH could be a more faitful from a sim standpoint, but it's not because people in general don't want it that way (myself excluded).
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Hedgehog wrote:
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Anyone who does auger like this must have a clear mind about AH being a game - you play by the rules of the game and that's it. What's funny is when people fly this way, then advocate AH as some "serious sim". If it was, there would be a huge penalty for intentional augering. Heck - even damaging equipment for no reason should get you a court-martial.
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Speaking as one who always augers when nothing's going on, shoots friendly planes when he's bored, turnfights his Jug on the deck with every n1k he sees, tries to ram enemy planes when he's outta ammo, and generally does every thing he can *not* to land his plane.....
There is no way for me to take the arena seriously unless it's as a place to practice. The landgrab game is pointless. Flying around in a squad, ganging up on lone enemy planes or taking poorly defended bases is boring.
Scenarios, however, are where a game like AH does give me the same sense of air combat that I get from reading books on the subject. Scenarios are the reason for practicing in the arena. The mistaken assumption that once Afrika ran, scenarios would really take off in AH is why I'm here. Forlorn hope that there really is another scenario coming in the not-too-far future is why I haven't left. From your post, Hedgehog, I think you'd enjoy scenario play much more than arena play.
Disclaimer: I've never actually flown in an AH scenario, but have flown in many AW scenarios. I can only imagine, with the many features AH has over AW, how great a scenario would be here.
anRky
-Ih8ubb
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anarky.. I agree that you should be able to do as you please in the main and that the land grab thing is pointless. I have also fought you before and found that they were some very fun fites. Be glad to fite you anytime.
I do disagree about the squad thing tho for this reason... I fly in a "fun" squad.. Not at all serious. No land grab asperations, just find the biggest furball and try to survive as long as u can while killing everything you can... It is really fun for me to see another 3or 5 gold icons and all be on Roger wilco in a huge melee with everyone talking at once... It does give me the sense of the kind of WWII combat in melees that I have read about.
lazs
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lazs wrote:
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I do disagree about the squad thing tho ...
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Sorry lazs, I didn't mean to imply that all squads acted like that. Since I've been here, I've only gotten familiar with a few squads. A couple come to mind that seem to be the types that just like to hang out together and have a good time in the arena doing whatever, and a few others appear to me to be the types that only care about kills, points, and 'winning' the war. Most squads I don't know well enough to even comment on.
What makes me disrespectful of squads that I run across in the arena is when I come across them alone. If they'd engage a couple at a time--show some skill, but also some restraint and discipline--I could get a good fight, and someone could get a kill. But mostly I get five or more, all trying to beat each other to the kill, none wanting to fight; all wanting to pad their score with a no-risk kill.
And not only is this type of behavior the norm in the arena, the very nature of the landgrab arena encourages this behavoir. To have a good chance of getting a goon to a base, you've got to have complete air superiority. To me, that means having no one to fight, and gangbanging anyone who shows up. In other words, boredom.
All I want from arena play is to find a few good fights without too much sightseeing.
anRky
-Ih8ubb
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Oh - yeah - I do like scenarios. I flew in Afrika Corps. I like mission-oriented flights in the main arena as well.
I can recall one week in Afrika Corps, where I flew welded to CavemanJ's wing for over 2 1/2 hours, then spent the last 10 minutes in a gut-wrenching furball. That was fantastic.
One major disappointment about Afrika Corps though was the last day. The Allies picked some remote target to hit, because, as I was told, they could win on points. That seemed lame, and ruined the simulation.
Well, it's a journey, not a destination.
=Hedgehog
=Screamin' Blue Messiahs http://www.screaminbluemessiahs.org (http://www.screaminbluemessiahs.org)
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Rule #1 = There are no rules, anything you can do & get away with goes.
Rule #2 Don't try to tell someone else what your rules are or how to fly.
Rule #3 If either of the above bothers you feel free to whine on open channel.