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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: sirvlad on October 30, 2008, 03:37:52 PM
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What the heck is up? I lost 2 tigers in 2 days from il2 cannons,no bombs and both times they got me in 1 pass.Why even have a tiger anymore,seems kinda useless now.How come this hasn`t happened in the last 7 years i been playing.Was the il2 wrong befor,if so what other planes are not correct?This really has me psst! I`m thinking about cancelling my account since tank`n is what I enjoy the most.
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LOL?
Time to change your strategy or cancel your account. Your choice.
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How come this hasn`t happened in the last 7 years i been playing.
Umm... because we got the 37mm gun option for the Il-2 a few weeks ago?
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Vlad. I actually made 5 or 6 passes on you before i got your turret. And once i did get you i smacked the groud because of how step an angle i was coming in at you. A 37mm in the right spot is all it takes.
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What the heck is up? I lost 2 tigers in 2 days from il2 cannons,no bombs and both times they got me in 1 pass.Why even have a tiger anymore,seems kinda useless now.How come this hasn`t happened in the last 7 years i been playing.Was the il2 wrong befor,if so what other planes are not correct?This really has me psst! I`m thinking about cancelling my account since tank`n is what I enjoy the most.
Yep, almost NO chance of taking a Airfield now with a tank attack.
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Lazy tigers will now have to shoot and scoot. Instead of there drop the vh/ords and camp till their hears content.
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Lazy tigers will now have to shoot and scoot. Instead of there drop the vh/ords and camp till their hears content.
Scooting did help vs the lumbering B25H and the Hurri IID.
But vs the Il-2 with it's 100 rounds and a high ROF, it doesn't help you much at all.
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The answer is to take out ord and bomber hangars when doing tank attack on a field. I have also lost a couple of tigers to il2s but who cares. Impossible to spend all the perks anyway.
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What the heck is up? I lost 2 tigers in 2 days from il2 cannons,no bombs and both times they got me in 1 pass.Why even have a tiger anymore,seems kinda useless now.How come this hasn`t happened in the last 7 years i been playing.Was the il2 wrong befor,if so what other planes are not correct?This really has me psst! I`m thinking about cancelling my account since tank`n is what I enjoy the most.
Blahahahaha!
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this whole thing is taking the tanking from the game.
GVing is being pushed out of the game. Why have tanks now?
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Perk the Il-2. Issue solved.
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Perk the Il-2. Issue solved.
Better solution:
Bring air cover.
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So now tigers can only be used whan attacking a vehicle base?? :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh
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The answer is to take out ord and bomber hangars when doing tank attack on a field. I have also lost a couple of tigers to il2s but who cares. Impossible to spend all the perks anyway.
There is always the IID. Ahhh tank plinking at it's finest. :aok
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maybe lost 3 tiger to hurricanes ever
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Better solution:
Bring air cover.
Same as I said in the other thread. Fighters ignore noe Il-2s when there are higher bandits around.
Perk the Il-2. :aok
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So now tigers can only be used whan attacking a vehicle base??
Unless someone is bringing his Il-2 to that GV fight :devil
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Unless someone is bringing his Il-2 to that GV fight :devil
Now who would go and do a thing like that.... :noid :D
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Now who and do a thing like that.... :noid :D
Twits that cant GV :aok
And most of them suck in planes.
they have to get a free kill some how
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Twits that cant GV :aok
And most of them suck in planes.
they have to get a free kill some how
Or someone just wanting to read a bipolar whine on the bbs...just an alternative to your theory. :aok
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Perk the Il-2. Issue solved.
It doesn't need to be perked. We have already proven that, don't see why you must bring out the bat and beat the dead horse again.
ack-ack
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You could always drag along a buddie in a wirble or an osti.
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You could always drag along a buddie in a wirble or an osti.
That is just crazy talk... crazy i say.
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guess more air support needed. though cx'ing your account works as well.
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It doesn't need to be perked. We have already proven that
Hardly. That's about as proven as a pyramid scheme.
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Hardly. That's about as proven as a pyramid scheme.
That thread proved that the IL2 didn't need to be perked. Whether or not you want to listen is another matter entirely dependent on yourself.
The simple fact is, you want to stop the IL2 from killing your GVs? Make sure that you have the proper air protection in place to counter the IL2. It really is that simple.
ack-ack
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Twits that cant GV :aok
And most of them suck in planes.
they have to get a free kill some how
I can GV. :D
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That thread proved that the IL2 didn't need to be perked. Whether or not you want to listen is another matter entirely dependent on yourself.
The simple fact is, you want to stop the IL2 from killing your GVs? Make sure that you have the proper air protection in place to counter the IL2. It really is that simple.
ack-ack
Funny, I've been killed zero times by Il-2s this tour, but I have 106 kills in gv's. How did I manage that?
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Funny, I've been killed zero times by Il-2s this tour, but I have 106 kills in gv's. How did I manage that?
My guess would be either engaging in GV combat where there weren't any IL2s attacking you or had air cover or were milk running undefended bases.
In any event, your above comment about having over 106 GV kills while not once being killed by an IL2 shows that it doesn't need to be perked or that you avoided combat in areas where the IL2 was flying around.
In game, just as in real life, armored attacks without air cover against defenses with air cover is always going to fail. However, armored attacks with air cover and local air superiority succeed the majority of the time.
ack-ack
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My guess would be either engaging in GV combat where there weren't any IL2s attacking you or had air cover or were milk running undefended bases.
In any event, your above comment about having over 106 GV kills while not once being killed by an IL2 shows that it doesn't need to be perked or that you avoided combat in areas where the IL2 was flying around.
In game, just as in real life, armored attacks without air cover against defenses with air cover is always going to fail. However, armored attacks with air cover and local air superiority succeed the majority of the time.
ack-ack
Basically avoiding any tank combat nearby an airfield. "Nearby" means <~30 miles away. I've been lucky to escape this tour when an enemy showed up that had flown their Il-2 ~40 miles over 12k foot mountains to grief a gv fight. At those ranges you're more likely to encouter A-20s because of their speed.
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Or someone just wanting to read a bipolar whine on the bbs...just an alternative to your theory. :aok
youre nothing more than a troll.
you cant play the game so you come in here troll. :aok
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youre nothing more than a troll.
you cant play the game so you come in here troll. :aok
Huh so sky does let you off the leash.
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Huh so sky does let you off the leash.
huh so you make it a habit to troll and hijack EVERY thread you post in :aok
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:cry
Buck up little camper.
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hahaha...youre a funny little fella
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In my opinion, the IL2 gives new usefulness to our old friend the Ostwind.
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i love how people think the Tiger is some otherworldly, indestructible miracle tank. You come down with 37mms blazing right onto the top of the turret, and its bye bye Bernhardt. Try using some real tactics instead of just throwing yourself out in the open with no protection. I guarantee if you get a squadie to cover you in an osti or wirb, you will fix your little problem.
This thread has made me want to go strafe tanks in an IL2 now. Thanks for the idea, sport. :aok
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Better solution:
Bring air cover.
Unperk the Tempest.
Got a Tempest problem?
Just throw some more Tempests at it.
Wheeeeee!
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i love how people think the Tiger is some otherworldly, indestructible miracle tank. You come down with 37mms blazing right onto the top of the turret, and its bye bye Bernhardt. Try using some real tactics instead of just throwing yourself out in the open with no protection. I guarantee if you get a squadie to cover you in an osti or wirb, you will fix your little problem.
This thread has made me want to go strafe tanks in an IL2 now. Thanks for the idea, sport. :aok
Hmmm, you cant cherry pick tanks BigR.
and no need to run.
guess thats right up your way there :aok
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Hmmm, you cant cherry pick tanks BigR.
and no need to run.
guess thats right up your way there :aok
Care to put that into English please?
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Care to put that into English please?
EDIT: I LOVE YOU
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EDIT: I LOVE YOU
I love you too, sweetheart. I was merely pointing out that its not unrealistic for an IL2 to be able to kill a Tiger with Cannons if fired from the correct angle and into the right spot.
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The Il2 is a piece of junk. Just bring a WW along for cover.. Those 37mms are not precise and don't carry much ammo.
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The Il2 is a piece of junk. Just bring a WW along for cover.. Those 37mms are not precise and don't carry much ammo.
They are pretty precise if you come directly down on target. But you're right...IL2 is easily countered by bringing some WW or Osti for cover. Thats why I don't understand what the big deal is all about.
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The Il2 is a piece of junk. Just bring a WW along for cover.. Those 37mms are not precise and don't carry much ammo.
Osties and wirlies are a pain in the arse for IL-2. However I'd be pleased if you keep on endorsing the inaccuracy of the 37mm's :aok
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The answer is to take out ord and bomber hangars when doing tank attack on a field.
or drive Jeeps, i can't catch them in il2
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LYNX you probably remember last night, your Il2 vs my 262 where I had nothing but a spiky mouse (no rudder) as controller.. Put some BBs in me but no 37mm hit, this from medium range with your well-honed aim. More evidence: "They are pretty precise if you come directly down on target". What are the odds an Il2 will survive through a WW's bullet stream long enough to do that?
Lots of dispersion, a big and slow platform, little ammo, all this VS a rock solid platform, tons of ammo, high ROF and easy ballistics and long reach.. I don't think the Il2 is anything to worry about unless the guy in the AAA is drunk or green.
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In my opinion, the IL2 gives new usefulness to our old friend the Ostwind.
As I've said before....The Ostwind is a very good "equalizer" against the IL-2. I've seen IL-2's soak up alot of 20mm from Wirbles and keep going, but 1 or 2 pings from a 37mm from an Osti pretty much "squares it away".
When I had my WW "fever" I had a hard time killing IL-2's even with multiple hits at multiple passes. That changed when I decided to go back to the Osti. IL-2's are slow and easy to hit from 1.5K or closer. I agree with the other posters that perking the IL-2 is not necessary.
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Same as I said in the other thread. Fighters ignore noe Il-2s when there are higher bandits around.
Perk the Il-2. :aok
nope, remove the GVs (all of them)
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I don't think the Il2 is anything to worry about unless the guy in the AAA is drunk or green.
and that is 95% of the community :lol
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There is always the IID. Ahhh tank plinking at it's finest. :aok
yup its shweet, but slightly less effective than the il2 i think. not sure though
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I still don`t think that shooting any tank in it`s turret would cause the tank to exploded into nothing. PING PING TOWER WTF Guess
I need 2nd account soi can take a wirb or osti with me
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And I betcha the same logic can be applied to people taking out CVs.
* Don't use stupid tactics of parking them 5 miles from the beach
* Find the stooges who'd make the noble sacrifice of flying high-alt screening CAP against any inc. buffs
... but we still have regular ruckus on the boards with everybody chiming in to protest how buffs killing CVs are no fun.. and they should be regulated in some manner.
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Anyone see the irony here?
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I really think the IL2 is perfect, just because one tank shouldn't be able to take out a base. If you want to do something productive, bring your wirb friends, because think of the situation for the other guy, he is just defending his own base. I don't even bring tigers to bases, they are too slow, use um for defending :aok
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I need 2nd account soi can take a wirb or osti with me
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Or a squaddie. People often forget its a MULTIPLAYER game that requires COOPERATION. If you want an attack to succeed you need different people that fit in different ROLES.
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What the heck is up? I lost 2 tigers in 2 days from il2 cannons,no bombs and both times they got me in 1 pass.Why even have a tiger anymore,seems kinda useless now.How come this hasn`t happened in the last 7 years i been playing.Was the il2 wrong befor,if so what other planes are not correct?This really has me psst! I`m thinking about cancelling my account since tank`n is what I enjoy the most.
jeeze dude!!
get an escort then. bring a whirble, or an m16 with ya. problem solved.
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It doesn't need to be perked. We have already proven that, don't see why you must bring out the bat and beat the dead horse again.
ack-ack
it's not dead...it twitched :rofl
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nope, remove the GVs (all of them)
:cry
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nope, remove the GVs (all of them)
make his typhoon skin the default one, that will calm him for a while :lol
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I still don`t think that shooting any tank in it`s turret would cause the tank to exploded into nothing. PING PING TOWER WTF Guess
I need 2nd account soi can take a wirb or osti with me
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If your plane or vehicle is as good as dead, it explodes. This includes the pilot dying or otherwise being incapacitated (shell shock in tanks, or bloody pulp from Me163 hi-speed stick stir), and probably does include the turret operator being a couple of inches from a volley of well placed armor piercing rounds.
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LYNX you probably remember last night, your Il2 vs my 262 where I had nothing but a spiky mouse (no rudder) as controller.. Put some BBs in me but no 37mm hit, this from medium range with your well-honed aim. More evidence: "They are pretty precise if you come directly down on target". What are the odds an Il2 will survive through a WW's bullet stream long enough to do that?
Lots of dispersion, a big and slow platform, little ammo, all this VS a rock solid platform, tons of ammo, high ROF and easy ballistics and long reach.. I don't think the Il2 is anything to worry about unless the guy in the AAA is drunk or green.
and if you remember correctly I barely had time to swing guns on your 400 mph jet coming up on my six, for what was essential a snap shot. So much for dispersion!
you are correct about wirlies as I mentioned in the previous reply Osties and wirlies are a pain in the arse for IL-2
. However, I find the IL-2 a fairly stable platform in it'self but then again I have a fairly stable stick with virtual any nose bounce. The majority of players don't benefit from this and many have never heard of stick scaling let alone tried to sort it out. This is where you maybe confusing your theory on "Lots of dispersion".
To concur with you further wirlies with a good gunner are deadly as are osties. Taking on a good wirlie gunner head to head is guaranteed a radiator or oil hit or pilot wound at best. At worst it's the tower. Osties are easier to get into because they lack the dispersion of the wirlie.
The trick if any is to fire at the flaks from 1,000 yards out turreting them but here lies the dilemma. Flacks do have a longer reach so you have to jinks your IL-2 into effective range. It's my opinion to leave them alone if you have other targets or tank support to take them out. This maybe reversed in certain circumstances and the flack has to go first.
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make his typhoon skin the default one, that will calm him for a while :lol
give me a new mobo* and the time to play !
*the one I'm supposed to get tomorrow wo'nt come before monday :(
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Well.. I thought you'd seen me coming, at least after the first pass. I got a good burst of bullets, with four of them on the left-fwd part of the canopy. I was surprised to still be in one piece. I don't think any of those were 37mm's.
I've yet to fly the Il2 armed with 37mm's, but if they're anything like the gun in the 9T, the dispersion is pretty bad, at least as bad as the 23mm's. And those are just neck and neck with the WW's 20mm's, so I don't expect the 37mm's have any advantage against an alert WW. I'll give it a try tonight..