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Title: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: mechanic on November 02, 2008, 11:03:11 PM
Go into the game options and find the GUI menu(i think) somewhere there you can change the colours and size of icons. change the enemy icons to a darker shade of red and if you like set to size 12, to lose the 'neon' feel. Thats just a personal pref.
 Here is the trick for your SA, turn the friendly icons to the same blue as the sky. This way friendlies above you will show up faintly against cloud or just be a dot. All you will see is the red guys above you. Looking down you will see friendlies against the darker land. If you ever need to ID a friendly above you just check the radio list or send them a check six and watch the text buffer.
 
Try it, see what you think. I suspect you could find yourself being hit by an unseen high enemy alot less.

S!
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Scotch on November 03, 2008, 03:06:34 AM
Meh...kinda on the same line as adjusting sounds...
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: mechanic on November 03, 2008, 05:02:05 AM
uh..... really? I could not stand the neon green and red, it's dweeby to change icon colours now?
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Ghosth on November 03, 2008, 05:32:20 AM
No

Not that I see a huge advantage to it either.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: uberslet on November 03, 2008, 05:57:39 AM
im with Ghosth, its simple to do, until a friendly above you has a 262 screaming in and you cant see their icon, but as you said mechanic, youll only see the red of enemies. I think itd work either way, but its a preference,  :salute
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: CAP1 on November 03, 2008, 07:36:30 AM
uh..... really? I could not stand the neon green and red, it's dweeby to change icon colours now?

no, it's not. if it works for you, and you like it, then do it.  :aok
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: minke on November 03, 2008, 08:14:21 AM
how does help? Surely being able to see enemies and freindlies clearly is what SA is about. If you want better SA, the default is fine,you'd be better off looking around more.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: CAP1 on November 03, 2008, 08:34:49 AM
how does help? Surely being able to see enemies and freindlies clearly is what SA is about. If you want better SA, the default is fine,you'd be better off looking around more.


i actually left it with enemies bright red, friendlies bright green, and squaddies black. all three VERY easy for me to see.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: BnZs on November 03, 2008, 08:52:24 AM
Good tip Mech. Check your PMs
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Scotch on November 03, 2008, 06:29:37 PM
uh..... really? I could not stand the neon green and red, it's dweeby to change icon colours now?

Changing colors in itself? No.
Making them certain colors to gain an "advantage" in SA. Yeah, kinda. Imo.

btw...you people spell "color" wrong. :P :P  :D
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: A8TOOL on November 03, 2008, 08:55:04 PM

I see nothing wrong with changing colors to meet the needs of being able to either see better of distinguish between enemies. Anyone who says different is just a jack-A

My bases are either red,yellow and blue or sometimes I use purple. Maybe it's my vid card or something but green i can not see well.

Enemy is always red but Squad mates are this color only much more neon. I can pick a squad mate or someone tuned to my CH out very quickly on the map when using that color.


What would be nice is if i could change countries enemies in flight color. Bish pink, knit red or something



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Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: CAP1 on November 03, 2008, 10:09:26 PM


btw...you people spell "color" wrong. :P :P  :D

hhmm.....the "you people" part almost could sound racist........ :noid :noid
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Scotch on November 03, 2008, 10:24:00 PM
not race. country(ies)...  :D
It was a jab. Hi. You must be Mr. Dense. I've heard about you.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Scotch on November 03, 2008, 10:25:57 PM
I see nothing wrong with changing colors to meet the needs of being able to either see better of distinguish between enemies. Anyone who says different is just a jack-A

fyi: That wasn't how this was initially brought up, and not the point I was questioning.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: lagger86 on November 03, 2008, 10:56:41 PM
I'd rather just make my plane invisible....can I do that...just make my icon invisible? :P
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Kazaa on November 04, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
I had to change my icon colours after AH2 got it's textures overhauled. I could barely make out the red icon below the horizon.

I have White for Friendly, Yellow for Enemy and Pink for Squadies.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: mechanic on November 04, 2008, 02:40:53 AM
Changing colors in itself? No.
Making them certain colors to gain an "advantage" in SA. Yeah, kinda. Imo.

btw...you people spell "color" wrong. :P :P  :D

maybe so, but telling you what HUE i use levels the playing field?  :D
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: mtnman on November 04, 2008, 12:09:58 PM
maybe so, but telling you what HUE i use levels the playing field?  :D

What are the icons for if not to aid in SA?  Identifying friend from foe, plane types, relative speed, coming vs going, yada, yada, yada.

Since we don't all see color the same, and since we're not all using identical equipment, having everyone use the same color icons could give someone an unfair advantage...

Tweaking how you see what is shown to you already so that you can easily and quickly understand it sure doesn't seem a problem to me, especially since the option isn't withheld from anyone.  How about adjusting the size of the icons themselves?  Does the fact that I make mine smaller give someone else an unfair advantage over me?  Could I use that as a legitimate excuse if I got beat?

Could you imagine the unfair advantage I'd have if I was able to tweak any old view I wanted to optimize it?  What if I could shift my head left/right, up/down, forward/back and actually SAVE it that way?  How cheesy would that be?  What if I could adjust the brightness or contrast of my monitor?  Eeegads!

MtnMan
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: 633DH98 on November 04, 2008, 12:21:01 PM
I've changed my colors, but I need more help than that.  Mtnman, you must be doing some sort of cheating since you shot me down like a trainer taking out a newbie.  Oh, wait, nevermind.   :aok
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Scotch on November 04, 2008, 12:54:40 PM

He's taking it further and essentially disabling friendly icons. Yeah. I said it sounded even more gamey than icons alone. Like adjusting engine sounds. How many pages did that thread go to? Why is one any different than the other?

Be sarcastic.
Do whatever you want with your settings.
I'll still spank you with my defaults.

and I still spell it "color" <g>
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Murdr on November 04, 2008, 01:11:13 PM
I have my squad icons as yellowish and wingman as blue.  The rest are default.  It's certianly a valid tip to point out that icon colors can be adjusted.  How much is up to the individual player.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: CAP1 on November 04, 2008, 03:24:02 PM
I have my squad icons as yellowish and wingman as blue.  The rest are default.  It's certianly a valid tip to point out that icon colors can be adjusted.  How much is up to the individual player.


i had no clue ou could single out your wingman?
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Murdr on November 04, 2008, 03:25:20 PM
.wingman GameID
to mark the selected friendly as your wingman
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: morfiend on November 04, 2008, 04:26:08 PM
 Interesting Batty:

 So does this explain that deadly accuracy you posses?? :devil
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: mechanic on November 04, 2008, 04:53:33 PM
Using a 64mb vidcard laptop it does help a little with the 256 textures 800X600 hud clutter. Only when looking up at the sky. If that counts the same as completely removing engine sounds its a surprise to me.

scotch ya say it wont make me win 1 on 1 and yes i agree. It might only help a little in a multi plane situations. Alot of my duels i find myself turning icons off as there is no need for them, is that a gamey advantage?


Morf, i think the quad 20mm in the nose explains most of that :)
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Patches1 on November 04, 2008, 11:52:29 PM
I'm colorblind as heck and have adjusted the color of the icons to suit my vision.

If adjusting the color of the icons to compensate for vision deficiencies is "gamey (sp?)" then I am guilty of being such.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: CAP1 on November 05, 2008, 07:32:27 AM
I'm colorblind as heck and have adjusted the color of the icons to suit my vision.

If adjusting the color of the icons to compensate for vision deficiencies is "gamey (sp?)" then I am guilty of being such.
i don't think it's gamey. there's people like you, that're color blind. there's older guys that can't see the monitor too well. then there;s the peop,e that can't afford a BIG or fancy monitor, so they just fly on a little old crt monitor.

 it lets us all make up for the lack of depth perception too. at least that's part of my problem in the game. i have trouble judging distance, so i depend heavily on being able to read the icons as i merge.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Kazaa on November 05, 2008, 08:07:30 AM
Why is everybody calling this a gamy idea, it's hindering if anything.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: A8TOOL on November 05, 2008, 10:18:45 AM
It's not gamey but there are some who feel if your using something that is provided or open to you that they are not then it is gamey.

 
                                There are a few (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:VGGTdInxnZnSfM:http://helpmejoseph.typepad.com/charlotte_front_and_cente/images/2008/08/14/love muffin.jpg) 's here on AH. Don't pay to much attn. to them and make the game as easy to see and play as possible.


EDIT:  I don't know if it's been mentioned but changing your resolution can also help you to see targets more clearly.It was a while back but at one time i was using a res that made all icons and planes seem very small. I flipped through a few that were available to me until I found one that not only increased the size of the planes but my frame rates as well.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: 633DH98 on November 05, 2008, 12:12:41 PM
Tool, was that a lower or higher resolution than you had been using?
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Scotch on November 05, 2008, 01:38:00 PM
Either I wasn't clear enough or you're all just dumb. Probably both.
Adjusting the colors so that you can see better is fine. I didn't say otherwise.

What I said was kind of gamey, and on the same level as the engine sounds, is using the color view to purposely remove friendly icons so that enemy icons are the only ones showing up. This gives you an "advantage" of having less clutter to focus on or at least was the initial intention. Even then the "advantage" is pretty minuscule, just like adjusting engine sounds. Both of which I see as gamey substitutes for spending time to get better.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: mtnman on November 05, 2008, 03:37:51 PM
Either I wasn't clear enough or you're all just dumb. Probably both.
Adjusting the colors so that you can see better is fine. I didn't say otherwise.

What I said was kind of gamey, and on the same level as the engine sounds, is using the color view to purposely remove friendly icons so that enemy icons are the only ones showing up. This gives you an "advantage" of having less clutter to focus on or at least was the initial intention. Even then the "advantage" is pretty minuscule, just like adjusting engine sounds. Both of which I see as gamey substitutes for spending time to get better.

BatfinkV opened this topic with adjusting size and color of icons, to make some more visible, and some less visible.

"Go into the game options and find the GUI menu(i think) somewhere there you can change the colours and size of icons. change the enemy icons to a darker shade of red and if you like set to size 12, to lose the 'neon' feel. That's just a personal pref.
 Here is the trick for your SA, turn the friendly icons to the same blue as the sky. This way friendlies above you will show up faintly against cloud or just be a dot. All you will see is the red guys above you. Looking down you will see friendlies against the darker land. If you ever need to ID a friendly above you just check the radio list or send them a check six and watch the text buffer.
 
Try it, see what you think. I suspect you could find yourself being hit by an unseen high enemy alot less.

S!"

You responded with a vague blanket statement "Meh...kinda on the same line as adjusting sounds..."  which could have been, and was, interpreted in different ways. 

To then resort to name calling because your ineffectual communication attempt wasn't clearly understood "Either I wasn't clear enough or you're all just dumb", looks kind of dumb, doesn't it?  It looks like your trying to shift the blame for the confusion onto others, with an attack on their intellect as camouflage.  Just my opinion...  Call me dumb if you want...

Personally, I disagree with the idea that lowering visibility of friendly icons is an advantage.  I can often see the "dot", while an icon is obscured by terrain or sun, or whatever.  Without the friendly icon, is that "dot" a nearby friendly? Or an approaching enemy still just out of icon range?

Beyond that, I get loads of SA info from friendly icons.  It tells me who's nearby, what they're in, and since I recognize many, it even gives me a rough idea of skill level and "fight style".  A quick glance at Scotch last night told me he was in a P51.  It also told me that he probably didn't need help with his opponent, and that my "help" probably wouldn't be welcome, regardless of the outcome of his fight.  It also told me I probably didn't need to worry about his opponent surprising me from behind in a few minutes, and when I entered my own fight I figured it was likely Scotch wouldn't jump in with me, and would let me finish my 1v1 on my own.  With his skill level, I can probably count on his SA skills alerting him of of other bad guys, and can probably rely on him to give  a holler if he sees someone he thinks I should know about.  I'd feel pretty comfortable with a "several on two" scenario if one arose.

I generally don't look to be "saved" that often, and I don't do much rescuing myself.   But if I was, knowing who I'm flying with, and what they're in is valuable information.  If I'm "in trouble" with my F4U, whether my rescuer is in a pony, zero, or whatever, may dictate what I do to "help my helper".  Taking my opponent in a high speed tailchase won't let the friendly in the N1K help me.  Turning my opponent tightly and directly under my "savior" probably won't work if my "savior" is in a Pony or Tempest.  The same works the opposite way.  When I'm "saving" someone, I'll be checking his icon to see what he's in, so I know what type of evasives to expect from him.

Honestly, I think reducing visibility of friendly icons (however it was done) would handicap me greatly, as would anything that reduced my overall SA.  But what doesn't work for me may still work for others.  And I don't see it as gamey to let them make adjustments that probably won't effect the outcome much, if at all.  Personally, I reduce the size of all my icons, but still need them to be legible.  And I generally fly in Shift-F2 mode, so many GV icons aren't visible at all, simply because I get screen stutters otherwise.

MtnMan
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: BnZs on November 05, 2008, 06:57:22 PM
Either I wasn't clear enough or you're all just dumb. Probably both.
Adjusting the colors so that you can see better is fine. I didn't say otherwise.

What I said was kind of gamey, and on the same level as the engine sounds, is using the color view to purposely remove friendly icons so that enemy icons are the only ones showing up. This gives you an "advantage" of having less clutter to focus on or at least was the initial intention. Even then the "advantage" is pretty minuscule, just like adjusting engine sounds. Both of which I see as gamey substitutes for spending time to get better.

I don't see how green friendly icons could keep one from spotting red enemy icons in the first place, unless you have red-green colorblindness.

Honestly, I don't see how it helps Bat much or why anyone would object to it.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Bubbajj on November 06, 2008, 12:22:40 AM
It helps him to see the enemy icons better when he's spinning like a Quaker in that damnable Mossie.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: mechanic on November 06, 2008, 03:40:20 AM
 :aok  :lol
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: CAP1 on November 06, 2008, 10:44:01 AM
I don't see how green friendly icons could keep one from spotting red enemy icons in the first place, unless you have red-green colorblindness.

Honestly, I don't see how it helps Bat much or why anyone would object to it.

it could possibly slow down his puter.......i know in big furballs, i sometimes get that "stutter"
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Bubbajj on November 06, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
If gamey bugs you, turn off all icons and don't even think about opening up the map. As far as I can remember, WWII fighter aircraft dint have enemy detecting aircraft radar if at all.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: McDeath on November 06, 2008, 04:26:08 PM
Either I wasn't clear enough or you're all just dumb. Probably both.

That is offensive and ridiculous. I changed my colours (spelled "your" way) to suit the map in the DGS Scenario, the same color combination works in MA also, as I dislike the "neon" scheme.

My wingy ( is it gamey to c call a wingman a wingy?) is a shade of purple and he never dies. All my squaddies are deep blue and my country is black. The default colors (hehe, my language) did not suit me.

<S>
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: Murdr on November 06, 2008, 05:36:43 PM
<Switches to CM Text>

It's been awhile since I've been forced to request a visit to the Help & Training board from Skuzzy.  Let's keep it that way.
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: morfiend on November 07, 2008, 01:32:37 PM



Morf, i think the quad 20mm in the nose explains most of that :)
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  Shhhh it's quad 303's... if they hear those rumours your spreading it might be perked...


 a bomber with 4 20's... blasphemy..... :lol
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: mechanic on November 07, 2008, 02:58:32 PM
its pure murder i tell ya, nothing but cold blooded murder  :D
Title: Re: improve your SA in a few clicks
Post by: morfiend on November 07, 2008, 03:12:49 PM
its pure murder i tell ya, nothing but cold blooded murder  :D
 


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