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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: pzvg on February 27, 2001, 01:00:00 PM
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Dateline; today
Place; A7
Otr in a IVH, tryin to down the hangers,
TBM pops up,kill it with mgfire,TBM pops up from other end of runway,taxis right up to my panzer and drops his eggs,He go boom,I go boom, back in tower reading >you have been killed by *****
Did he get perk points for that too?
HTC needs to fix this, it's gamey as hell,
or if they don't wanna fix it, how about my plane slamming into a hanger counts as a attack kill with perkies, after all, "It's only a game"
(And for you out there, and you know who you are, oh I am impressed, you rUlEz wid Da def sKilLz D00d!)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Oh yeah, theres another new quake-ish move. Imagine fscott popping up in a TBM on the rwy. I come down to strafe him, he drops his bomb when I fly low over him. BOOM! He did the same with 2 other Knights. You always learn something (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 02-27-2001).]
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Doesnt surprise me one bit considering who was doing it... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Actually, this isn't new at all.
Its been around since the AW DOS days.
Its called "Car-bombing"
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Maybe stay of the runway pzr then you will have nothing to whine about.
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lol Fscott tried that with me, i got 5 kills off him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) in a 11 kill sortie in tiff. ping him and pull up early, he drops egg to get me, aw too bad i pulled up early, he go boom i get kill heheh i love the ammo saving kills.
Whels
Originally posted by gatt:
Oh yeah, theres another new quake-ish move. Imagine fscott popping up in a TBM on the rwy. I come down to strafe him, he drops his bomb when I fly low over him. BOOM! He did the same with 2 other Knights. You always learn something (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 02-27-2001).]
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Pongo, it doesn't matter where you are at the field....they will taxi to you and detonate.
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They game, you game. The smoke shells are capable of hurting planes. Let alone AP and HE rounds.
You have a good 7 seconds before they can even begin to taxi. What you choose to do with that time is all that matters (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jig, smoke shells would hurt.. it's still something coming at very high speed against a pretty fragile airplane. I don't think I've ever seen a smoke shell kill another tank though, I tried once and got solid hits, but it had no effect.
Suicide deaths shouldn't cause local objects to take damage like dropping bombs. I wonder what real vertical arming distances were like for level/dive bombing. I bet it had a whole lot to do with speed to unwind the fuze safety. Maybe that would be a realistic way to stop it.
-Soda
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try shooting down 3 fighters and as they spiral smoking towrds the ground a 4th blows up yer b-26 and you dont get ANY points for the fighters.
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"nothing to whine about"
Thus spake the representative for it's not dweeby if we like it crowd, thank you for your input (inverse whine)
I'll still maintain (until you volunteer the $30/mo.) that you shouldn't be awarded kills for crap that you not only wouldn't do IRL, but couldn't (not only does the bomb have to arm, but it has to hit on the fuse, dropping it flat on the runway shouldn't detonate it)
Don't you love how everyone maintains that high prices keep the quakers out, but mention some gamey tactic that only quakers would use and you suddenly become a whiner?
Well ok, whinewhinewhinewhinewhine
It's still a gamethegame tactic, and anyone who defends it has no business squeaking about HO's,ackrunning,altmonkeying,warping,or any other tactic that causes YOU grief.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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I think everyone who's played a month or more can name at least 10 dweeb'ish things that happen in AH, that in real life were not possible or very rare. Be it dropping bombs on your own runway to get a kill, drive a fleet off the map, suicide dive a C-Hog laughing all the way down since you know you'll just spawn later, etc etc etc.
All you can do is try to address the silly ones, and if you can find a realistic way to stop it, then that's all the better.
I think that if you bomb yourself on the runway your CO, crew chief, and fellow crew members should beat you up in the tower for a while before you are allowed to fly again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Or maybe you have to spend 10 minutes peeling virtual potatoes on KP. :P
-Soda
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Whels1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I didnt know it, even if I'm here from the first beta. I'm a real dweeb (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Anyway, is it a what-if? Then lets those guys game the game.
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Seems to me that a lot of ground attack planes got caught in the blast of what they were attacking, steam trains being a very graphic example.
If you're letting this guy get to you, how wil you cope with a locomotive? I've seen gun cam footage of debris going several thousand feet up.
I'm with Whels on this one.
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If "QUAKEish" behavior is your problem, and you want REALISM, then the instant you die you should lose your ACES HIGH account forever.
It is unrealistic to be able to endlessly respawn. It's "QUAKEish". It's something that never did, and I gaurantee COULDN'T happen in real life. People didn't just respawn when they died--they stayed dead. Therefore, since ACES HIGH is supposed to be realistic (and not like QUAKE), when you die you should never be allowed to play the game again!
"What" you say?? "That wouldn't be fun"?? Ok, I see now--you don't want realism, you're just mad because somebody actually stopped you from destroying their base. You would much prefer it if the enemy just let your tank sit on their runway and devastate everything.
I am wondering....why didn't you just shoot the plane as it tried to reach you? If you let something just drive up next to you, you DESERVE to be killed. If this was real life, there would be ground troops with bazookas just waiting to blow your tank to smithereens. We don't have Bazookas in AH; we have planes that drop bombs on themselves.
Instead of getting angry, you should SALUTE the guy who killed you, because he was willing to sacrifice his K/D--and his time--to remove the tank from his airfield. He was actually willing to try to defend his base, rather than simply log off or move elsewhere.
Or do you prefer capturing undefended bases?
Aces High, and every other online flightsim, basically is AIR QUAKE. You can make fun of QUAKE all you want, but AH is basically the same thing. We have spawn camping (vulching). We have arguments about weapon choice, such as rocket or railgun potatos (C-HOG and N1K2 dweebs). We have ganging, and don't even call it something else. LPB's still have the advantage over high-ping players. We have opportunists, whiners, rushers (furballers), and the entire assortment of online personalities.
Aces High, AirWarrior, WarBirds...they're all just a TEAM DEATHMATCH in the sky. You're mistaken if you believe (or have convinced yourself) otherwise.
J_A_B
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Just a quick question... and perhaps this shows my ignorance of how strat works in the MA... but shouldn't it be possible to knock out the ammo bunker(s) at a field to disable ordinance?
That would put an end to the car bombing tactic rather quickly.
-- Todd/DMF
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It still doesnt stop people from upping tripod planes like the P-38 or B26 and strafing troops/c47/m3 on the field.
Yes, you can bring down the hangars and stuff, but I still find this capability to be quite lame and very negative to gameplay. Not to mention that on large fields the p38 and b26 are "the" field defense.. while they taxi! Thats just wrong! Brrrr!
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Originally posted by Tac:
It still doesnt stop people from upping tripod planes like the P-38 or B26 and strafing troops/c47/m3 on the field.
I don't really have problems with this. Call it simulating an attack by troops stationed at the airbase since the game doesn't explicitly include this. The car bombing is a bit more far-fetched, but it's nothing that one or two strafing passes on a weak ammo bunker can't stop.
The point here is that it should be difficult to take a field. It should be a lot easier for one person to defend a field than it should be for one person to take a field. If field suppression isn't adequate to stop 38s and 26s from strafing troops, then the CAP isn't tight enough.
-- Todd/DMF
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a CAP will not stop a P38 or B26 from spawning and inmediately fire the nose guns. You only need to hit one para or ground-running grunt to spoil things. Its even worse when hangars face the map room.
It SHOULD be difficult to take a field, just as it SHOULD be difficult to DEFEND one when you lose your defensive CAP and VH.
Disable ALL guns and ord on fighters and bombers when on the ground. Its that simple. Buff turrets are disabled to prevent ackstarring and from becoming Taxiing AAA. So why isnt the same applied to all guns on fighters and bombers?
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Think WB. A/C with WoW should not be able to drop armed ordinance -- salvo safe only.
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The tactic of dropping bombs from your buff whilst OTR in order to kill attacking fighters seems to be on the increase.
Rikyu did it to me tonight at A16. He's in a B17 trying to up from a capped field .. I dive on him, fire a short burst and suddenly I'm back in the tower. Speaking to him on private he had salvoed 6 * 1000lb bombs just as I was coming into range.
10 minutes to fly to enemy field, 5 seconds of combat and BOOM.
Oh yeah, that's fun for ya.
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When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Chapter 13, verse 11
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To address the issue of it's a game,
Yep agree 100% but, why should I be handicapped? I see the statement " you should have killed him,so stop whining"
Ok, go back and read the encounter again.
I did kill him,and he simply respawned(1 sec)
at the other end of the runway. Now I'm not one of you "experten" but if your turret traverse is faster than mine,Maybe HTC should take a look at you. Don't throw all the realism vs realism crap, one tank could take an undefended airbase, hell 1 tank can take an undefended anything, a plane on the ground should not be considered a "defense" maybe when HTC gives us mannable guns at fields we'll see less BS moves,but prolly not. As for sacrificing his K/D oooh that's honorable, like I give a sh#t about a K/D,his or mine, you want Realism without ruining gameplay? fine try this, all fields have 12+ rifle caliber ack that can't be seen and can't be killed unless enemy vehicles are on the field and the barracks are dead,they will fire on anything on the ground or below 500 feet, it's called infantry ground fire. Bet the vulchers would like that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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I really think it is not players fault. If the game allows you to drop bombs while on ground ... well, it is a BUG. Hope HTC will disable this feature in the next release.
P.S.: sadly, everyone is entitled to "game the game". Like those 180° (almost) instantaneous turns that some really good F4U, Typhoons and FW pilots do so well.
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go 2 to the gun postition. then F3 external view. Your gun can travers really well now. Boom....
It really is a competence issue.
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Oh really pongo? And by what criteria are you fit to judge? aside from an over-inflated ego?
(If you want to indulge in this kind of trash talk, by all means, I very much doubt you can do more than demonstrate your issues, not mine)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Quakers high...
who started the trash talk?
You got run down by a bomber that was well within the panzers capability to destroy. Your SA failed on an easy kill or you dont know how to fight a panzer...
Take your pick. But sorry that the airfield isnnt helpless when you roll up.
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Well gee wally, guess insulting a game trick hits some folks closer to home then others, but you can keep your competence in a game panzer, it don't much matter IRL, I hope I never play a game so much that it becomes that bad for me.
Seeing that you wish the fields to remain blissfully free of enemy so you can fulfill your dreams of being an ace fighter jock, why don't you buy HTC out and take out the GV's,the ack,the hangers,and the buffs? make the whole map a runway and furball 'til you puke. If that makes you happy, muy bien for you, but I can disagree with your choices, your preferences,and your attitude at will, and choose to do so, don't like it? buy out my account and I'll leave smiling, flaming me, or anyone else on the net for that matter, is about as useful as screaming at the wind.
try to have an ordinary day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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"Realism without ruining gameplay? fine try this, all fields have 12+ rifle caliber ack that can't be seen and can't be killed unless enemy vehicles are on the field and the barracks are dead,they will fire on anything on the ground or below 500 feet, it's called infantry ground fire. Bet the vulchers would like that "
I like that idea. Make the current ack not be single ping kill (aka, make them be .303's) and have those infantrymen pouring from the tower and barracks. Talk about having to kill the barracks in order to stop the Grunt defense of a field as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ya I can tell you dont care.
whatever dud.
you think its more realistic to allow the teleporting tank to totaly dominate any field that the ack is down and the vh dead at. Well it can if the guy is fast enought and places himself well to cover the spawn points. but you apperently want it automatic or easy to do.
Sorry thats silly.
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Just to add petrol to the fire (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)....
During the Ploesti raid, one Lib bellied in, and the top turret gunner continued to battle the ack sites until the plane burned.
I'll try and dig up some references.
(Do you think the SS stripped him of his perk points?)
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Yah whatever dud, No I don't want it easy, I really don't want it as easy as it is, But you obviously suffer from selective reading disorder,What I want is score removed, since score, and the perk points that go with it, are an abstraction of gaining experience, A guy that suicides to get me should be able to stop my attack, but shouldn't get any reward for that, since it is generally accepted that a successful kamikaze does not gain experience, It being a one way trip and all.
If it were up to me, the realism factor would go up so high that few folks would enjoy the game,luckily it's not up to me, But just as I have to listen to the constant rehashing of aircraft performance and "rivet counts" You must read what I write, the only option you have being to exercise your judgement and not reading the thread.
Since you wish to merely restate your inelegant point as proof of your validity, while making personal attacks on someone you've never met, I think I can safely respond to the rest of your posts by saying,
Whatever you want to believe, by all means do so, if it makes you whole and a better gamer, go for it, I'm not a psychologist, nor do I wish to be one, so deal with your problem on your own, Since you stepped up to the podium and decided to share it with me, I cordially invite you to get over it.
You may of course do the same with me, Not that I, like you, feel any need to care.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Ya I can still tell you dont care.
Just read your first post. Its full of sarcasm and insult. The most honest thing you have written in this thread is this.
"Now I'm not one of you "experten" but if your turret traverse is faster than mine,Maybe HTC should take a look at you. "
I explained that if you go external view you get much faster turrent travers. This is not gamey or anything else. The TC can tell the gunner to keep the travers going and he doenst have to look through the sight for the target. Had you done this your reaction time would have been fast enought to make his silly tactic very expensive for him. Certainly one spawning fighter or bomber would never get you if you were in a reasobable good location.
So it is a competance issue. whine all you like.
You should not give up on that therapist yet. Several months on the couch might show you that you are really mad at yourself for screwing up such an easy scoreing opertunity, that you are now mad at your self for starting this silly thread and the tone you set for it. But thats ok you keep ranting.
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Sarcasm and insult are dishonest? really? since when? You like to make judgements on people you've never met, don't you? now I'm dishonest AND incompetent (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) my, guess I'll have to shoot myself to atone for my bad,
Why don't you just come right out and say whining in AH is the property of an exclusive club and your application is rejected?
Whatever, I'll stop now, since I think I might be bothering other folks whose opinion I do value.
FYI, I already knew about F3 view, but naturally you made the assumption that I was a newbie. no biggie, I make assumptions about folks in here all the time, sadly I'm wrong a lot.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"