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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Wedge1126 on November 04, 2008, 04:12:37 PM
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Anyone have some good tips/techniques/gunsights for aiming the rockets on the 190F-8? I have yet to kill a tank with one. Also, seems that the firing order is left, left, right, right. Is that historically correct?
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Use the sights below. The second dot (lower dot) is the one you aim with.
(http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/AHGunsights/default2.bmp)
(http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/AHGunsights/default2_alpha.bmp)
Right click and save to your sights folder.
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What distance from target, approach-angle and speed is the lower dot for?
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Your best bet to figure out what distance you should use is to go to the Training Arena and practice on the ground targets near field "A1".
I think it's more of a gut feeling.
I did not see anything on the AHII trainers website. Maybe you have better eye's then I.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
Or talk to one of our fine trainers.
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I use two dot sights as well. Search for A8Tools sight package too, and yes Ive used Rats as well and found it a good sight.
However shooting rockets is as much art form as it is aiming with sights. The fact is any change in your attack angle will throw off the accuracy of that 2nd sight. Your better rocket sticks aim with an awful lot of instinct as well as sight pictures. One thing I like about A8s rocket sights is they have verticle lines that help you line up the target with the airplane.
Ive never fired rockets from a 190 but can tell you the 110s rockets, same kind right?, fly very flat and hit very close to point of aim of your main gunsight.
Its difficult to recomend angles because often you have to use the angle your presented with. If your flying against airfields you'll want to stay as verticle as possible because once you flatten out the ack will hit the snot out of you. I find flat or gentle angles work best against GVs and like to line up the rear of the tank with at least a 3 rocket salvo. Against wirbels however, or M16s, this can be suicide unless you know for a fact they are not looking at you.
Get with a trainer with a lot of rocket experience and use the training arena rocket targets. I would upp and fly one attack run with rockets every game day in the TA and it helped me an awful lot.
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Here are A8Tools Gunsights
http://download249.mediafire.com/bv3zmyxzluyg/llme2ozmijw/A8T00L+Gunsights.rar
http://download43.mediafire.com/zjgp1yyzhnng/evymgqtibmf/Red+yellow+blue+green.rar
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Ive never fired rockets from a 190 but can tell you the 110s rockets, same kind right?, fly very flat and hit very close to point of aim of your main gunsight.
Actually they couldn't be more different... I've never thought that the 110's stovepipe rockets flew very flat anyway... then again it's a bit different when you're shooting at a target at 1000 yards that's flying away from you :D
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Actually they couldn't be more different... I've never thought that the 110's stovepipe rockets flew very flat anyway... then again it's a bit different when you're shooting at a target at 1000 yards that's flying away from you :D
Bwwahahahaha
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The rockets on the Bf.110G2 are WGr. 21 210mm rockets, which were adapted from artillery rockets. They have a timed fuse for bomber destruction and will usually explode at around 1000 yards in game. They were actually rather effective at breaking up American bomber formations until escort fighters showed up (the 'stovepipes' the rockets are fired out of produce a lot of drag).
Seen here being loaded into an Fw190A.
(http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugkorper/wgr4.jpg)
The rockets on the PB1 are, I've been told, armor piercing versions of the R4M air to air 55mm rocket. The R4M in the A2A role worked like a shotgun instead of a flak shell (like the WGr 21), with 24 of them being simultaneously shot off into Allied formations.
I think this is a PB1 on the top (armor piercing) and the high-explosive anti-bomber R4M is on the bottom. The image also shows 12 R4Ms loaded on an Me262.
(http://home.att.net/~jv44/images/r4m_detail.jpg)
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Thanks for the suggestions. I think I'll try using salvos of 4 with a slight delay(0.15) to give me a better chance of hitting. That'll give me 3 volleys with my 12 rockets. Time in the training arena seems to show that a steeper angle improves accuracy. Otherwise, I guess it's just time for a bunch of practice.
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Remember, rockets fly off of your wings so you need to "aim" your wings and keep them in a straight line to your target. Any input of rudder, pitch, or yaw during a rocket run will change the course of the rockets if fired whilst inputting any of those adjustments. Anticipate your rocket run (think straight line at first), line up on your target well in advance and allow time for your aircraft to stabilize before firing.
After you have practiced the straight line firing of rockets and have that "sight picture" in your memory, you can begin to modify it with a bit of pitch, rudder, or yaw to achieve some creative results.
I am by no means a rocket expert.
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Wow, there's still confusion about the 110G rockets? They should never be loaded for ground attack work.
My best so far in the 190F-8 is 4 tanks in one sortie with the 500kg bomb + 12 rockets. My advice for aiming the rockets is practice, practice, practice.... and aim close. My most successful attacks with the rockets are from about 600 yards.
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I have good success firing the F8's rockets just as the target passes under my nose. Of course, speed, distance and angle vary that slightly. I've never used anything but the default sights.
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Use the sights below. The second dot (lower dot) is the one you aim with.
(http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/AHGunsights/default2.bmp)
(http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/AHGunsights/default2_alpha.bmp)
Right click and save to your sights folder.
:salute I love the red one!!!! :salute
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Wow, there's still confusion about the 110G rockets? They should never be loaded for ground attack work.
My best so far in the 190F-8 is 4 tanks in one sortie with the 500kg bomb + 12 rockets. My advice for aiming the rockets is practice, practice, practice.... and aim close. My most successful attacks with the rockets are from about 600 yards.
Why is that? I use them all the time for ground work.
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They shouldn't explode on impact, they've got timed fuses. HTC may have changed something but they've never exploded on impact when I've used them before.
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They shouldn't explode on impact, they've got timed fuses. HTC may have changed something but they've never exploded on impact when I've used them before.
Well, if you shoot one at a gun emplacement and it hits the ground near the gun.... Then the timer runs out... BOOM!
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My best so far in the 190F-8 is 4 tanks in one sortie with the 500kg bomb + 12 rockets. My advice for aiming the rockets is practice, practice, practice.... and aim close. My most successful attacks with the rockets are from about 600 yards.
Got ya beat by 2. My best is 6 with the same loadout. :D
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Well, if you shoot one at a gun emplacement and it hits the ground near the gun.... Then the timer runs out... BOOM!
Thats funny cause Ive used them against hangars with success. I always thought the R4M was used against ground targets as well as aircraft.
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Got ya beat by 2. My best is 6 with the same loadout. :D
Do you guys make your approach low or high?
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Thats funny cause Ive used them against hangars with success. I always thought the R4M was used against ground targets as well as aircraft.
It was... the Bf110 does not carry R4M rockets, it carries WGr 21's.
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It was... the Bf110 does not carry R4M rockets, it carries WGr 21's.
Oh, right. Thanks. Ive been avoiding 110s for awhile now due to burnout. Didnt the WGr 21s have a contact fuse as well?
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If you are bad at everything JABO-related, like me, the best way to use rockets is just as I use bombs. 90 degree approach. When you are 90 degrees down at target, things launched or dropped from your pylons are generally going to go exactly where your gunsight is pointed. Couldn't be easier. Rockets can be a pain if you are launching from significant altitude, so always keep salvo 1, and launch a test rocket before you launch the rest. Remember with a 90 degree approach you're going to be nose on target for quite a while, so you have fully enough time to launch a test, watch it's trajectory, and then launch the rest accordingly.
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Do you guys make your approach low or high?
I usually approach from between 5-10,000 feet at a 30-40 degree dive angle. Salvo 2 rockets, delay 0.05. That's enough to kill a tank if you approach from the rear.