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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: humble on November 05, 2008, 01:16:20 PM
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I'm curious what planes might actually make a "big" impact...given how little the P-39 has actually done (as 1 example) vs the B-25 which gets a lot of play as a strafer. So....
1) G.55
Probably would be the biggest impact fighter that could be added by a wide margin. The Yak-3 would be formidable gut its limited range and clip would hinder most players. The G.55 with 3x20mm + the 2 x 12.7mm and large clip would be an instant hit in the MA's IMO.
2) Tu-2
With its 2 x 20mm and large bomb load (8,000 lbs) and reasonable speed (325 mph) I think the Tu-2 would develop a strong following similar to the A-20 (and/or A-26). While the A-26 would be arguably equal I do think the Tu-2 is a good choice for diversity as well as a more varied ord load out.
B7A
The "Grace" would be an interesting addition. While it has no more capability then the US "big blue" carrier planes it does offer 20mm fixed guns for deacking and the promise of potentially intriguing performance when "light"...and could find a significant role as the "bomber" of choice on carrier ops...
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I have to agree with all these.
But for plane set reasons would go with the tu-2 and the g.55.
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B7A never operated from a CV, though it was designed to. I don't know if it would be allowed to do so in AH.
I think you could add the Fairey Firefly to the list of aircraft that might make a difference as well as the Pe-2, Ju188/Do217/He177 and Me410.
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Beaufighter seems like it would be another suitable dumptruck.
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Humble, and Hubs, have the right of it. As an added bonus they each add to delinquent gaps in the plane-set. +1 :aok
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Japanese kamikaze aircraft:
(http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/ra5cimages/essex1944kamikaze.jpg)
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Well here's my list of aircraft that would be fairly popular, lot of them would be perked but...they'd still be popular perk planes.
A-26
B-29A
Beaufighter Mk.X
B7A2
Bf109G-10
Firefly Mk.1
G.55
H8K2
He-162A
He-177A
J2M3
Ju-88S
Ju-188A
Me410A
Meteor III
Mosquito B.XVI
P47M
PB2Y-5
P-61A
P-63
Re.2005
Spitfire F.21
Tu-2
Yak-3
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The KI-84IB would make an impact. :rock
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Aussie Beaufighter 21 would be the best of the Beaufighter series to add to AH in my opinion.
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Me-323... HTC can add it as a joke plane. :D
1st Week: The hangars gets a make-over and gets enlarge.
Forums: ZomG!!! The B-29 is C0ming!! WOOOO
In-game: Let's fly a Lanc through this bad boy
2nd Week: Runways gets longer.
Forums: WOOOO 2 more weeks Suckas!!!
In-game: Yes! More space to land!
3rd Week: Me-323 is here!!!
Forums: What the #@#$%?
In-game: Target Practice!!!!
:D
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Me-323... HTC can add it as a joke plane. :D
1st Week: The hangars gets a make-over and gets enlarge.
Forums: ZomG!!! The B-29 is C0ming!! WOOOO
In-game: Let's fly a Lanc through this bad boy
2nd Week: Runways gets longer.
Forums: WOOOO 2 more weeks Suckas!!!
In-game: Yes! More space to land!
3rd Week: Me-323 is here!!!
Forums: What the #@#$%?
In-game: Target Practice!!!!
:D
Uhm. Wow.
Anyway...I'd love to see the Tu2 and G.55. We need anything to widen the planeset besides the American and German planeset.
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Functionally there is little difference between the ki-84a and b, the b will obviously hit harder but the performance will be pretty much identical. Personally the Beaufighter would be at the top of my personal list but would offer little that the mossie or 110 dont already (same with the 410).
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Ki-45. Think of it as the Jap Bf110G-6 (or close to it).
As it is now... the planes that should be making the biggest impact are not because they are being abused and are under-appreciated for what they can do.
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Nothing will make a big impact in the arena except a B-29. Why? Because all of the different aircraft roles you need in a main arena are already filled.
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Personally the Beaufighter would be at the top of my personal list but would offer little that the mossie or 110 dont already (same with the 410).
Except for the ability to carry a torpedo, and be the only capable strike aircraft in game with the ability of carrying a torpedo you mean? ;) :D
(http://www.geocities.com/sadf_scrapbook/beau.jpg)
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The TBM is quite capable, thank you very much. Well, against 109s anyway.
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Ki-45. Think of it as the Jap Bf110G-6 (or close to it).
The Ki-45 was outclassed by single engine fighters as was shown when the Flying Tigers mauled them over Guilin and again when P-40s chewed them up over Hanoi.
This is what McGuire had to say about the Nick.
The only Japanese fighter which can be outmaneuvered by a P-38 is the twin engine Nick. When pursuing or pursued you must keep to the shallow dive, climb, or turn because there is not a trick maneuver in the book that can't be done better in a Japanese plane than in a P-38. In making passes, hold your lead in deflection as long as you can, but just as soon as you lose that lead, roll out of the turn and keep going straight. Never pull up beyond 30 degrees when pursuing, because your loss of speed will permit the Japanese pilot to loop over onto your tail. Break combat when it is to your advantage to do so, don't wait until you set yourself up in such a position that the Japanese pilot will have the advantage. Make him fight on your terms, don't fight on his.
There haven't been many of these twin-engine fighters in this area and with their poor performance they are becoming scarcer as P-38 pilots and others prove that this is one Japanese fighter they can out-turn, out-run, and out-climb. The NICK is structurally strong and there will be some difficulty in diving away, but then it won't be necessary unless he gets close on your tail.
ack-ack
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Except for the ability to carry a torpedo, and be the only capable strike aircraft in game with the ability of carrying a torpedo you mean? ;) :D
(http://www.geocities.com/sadf_scrapbook/beau.jpg)
Actually the A-20 could carry 2 (normal loadout was 1 torp and extra gas tank in bomb bay).
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The TBM is quite capable, thank you very much. Well, against 109s anyway.
Yes it is and so is the SBD, but neither has cannon for deacking. The Grace is faster and has 2 x 20mm vs the 2 x .50 on the TBM.
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As ack-ack already pointed out the ki-45 is inferior to what we already have. I'm curious what planes beyond the 3 I mentioned might actually expand or upgrade game play. The g.55 will replace the 109 for a lot of pilots I think (especially the guys who like the f-4/g-2 or cant hit with the 30mm). The Tu-2 has a greater bomb load then a B-17 + 20mm and A-20 type air to air potential and the grace gives a carrier based "bomber" option with superior speed, 20mm for deacking and air to air capability on par with the TBM...
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Beaufighter seems like it would be another suitable dumptruck.
I agree that it would make a good all around addition. I wouldn't mind seeing the Ki45 Nick either. Both would fill the fighter bomber role very nice.
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Actually the A-20 could carry 2 (normal loadout was 1 torp and extra gas tank in bomb bay).
Interesting.. source? Ruskies use it operationally?
Anyways, so could the B-26. But it doesn't in AH.
And the Beaufighter hopefully would. Thus adding a niche role for it and adding more to gameplay than the 110 and Mossie currently deliver which was your original reason to it not being added. :D
Think how much fun the 4 x 20mm and 4 x 50cal of an aussie Mk 21 would be too.
Yes it is and so is the SBD, but neither has cannon for deacking. The Grace is faster and has 2 x 20mm vs the 2 x .50 on the TBM.
I think he is joking and referring to an incident in the DA.
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I.A.R. 81c
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Also from a strictly gaming point of view, something like an armed troop transport like the Armstrong Whitworth Albemarle would add a fair bit i think. Or Halifax glider tug. Not sure of types used by other nations - but sure they had them.
Other than adding new weapons along with the introduction of aircraft, i don't think there is a type which would drastically change gameplay. Something like a Do-217 or HE-177 with Fritz anti ship missiles would be a cool perk bomber and very different from the norm.
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As many know, I usually toss out the D4Y. But this thread, being dedicated to MA impact, gets a pass on my Judy ranting. Instead,
Yak-9UT. The same motor as the Yak-9U, but with a gun so big you can almost [edit] it!
-Sik
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The Ki-45 was outclassed by single engine fighters as was shown when the Flying Tigers mauled them over Guilin and again when P-40s chewed them up over Hanoi.
This is what McGuire had to say about the Nick.
ack-ack
always thinking fighters.
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The F18 has made a big impact in the resent past :D
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always thinking fighters.
That's what the Ki-45 was designed as, a heavy fighter.
ack-ack
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Ki-102 and Ki-44 might make a impact in the MA if you are looking for IJAAF aircraft.
Talking IJNAF, the P1Y1 Ginga "Frances" might also make an impact and more than 1000 of those were built.
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Dont forget the solely made Aussie plane guys, the Commonwealth Boomerang :rock
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Actually the A-20 could carry 2 (normal loadout was 1 torp and extra gas tank in bomb bay).
I'd like the 8x250lb int + 4x500lb ext loadout for the A20 too :)
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HTC need to start looking at different types/models of later WW2 fighter aircraft.
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here is write up on the C, the russians also used the G in the same role.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Elevon/baugher_us/a20-13.html
I cant find the lend lease link with the naval a-20G right now but here is a write up for a scale model depicting the same plane...
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/a20gcl_1.htm
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/abramov/index.htm
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HTC need to start looking at different types/models of later WW2 fighter aircraft.
meah, I'd rather HTC fill in the gaps for early and mid war plane sets.
Here's what I expect in the next year:
More 3d models brought up to date
A few new bombers; probably an early and a mid war job, hopefully axis or russian
A few new fighters; probably a late war and a couple of other planeset hole fillers
The perked ord system? Big maybe on this but it would probably come with some nice new configurations of models that we already have the base of like the 4 x 20mm Ki-84, etc etc
There really isn't much that the late war arena's are missing. I'd much rather see the axis and russian planesets shored up.
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Now that HTC finally put aside CT (thank God), maybe they will put more time and effort into improving game play and adding new planes.
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I do believe that if the G.55 was added, it would be about as fast a 109G, and have the armerment of a KI-84, with more ammo. It has a long fuel load, which is better than a 109.
So what I'm saying is, its a better version of the 109.
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I've been reading all the Beaufighter histories I can get my hands on.
It's top of my list, if for no other reason those guys were nuts. Low level all the time from the Western Desert to the end of the war. The Aussie Beau's were right there with the 5th AF strafers in 42-43. The Beau's had more air to air kills then the Aussie Spit drivers, as they flew all weather, all the time and with the range.
The Strike wings that went to Norway were just as crazy, again, low level, all the time. The photos are amazing of the flak, the alt or lack therof, the rocket attacks and of cours the "Torbeau's" as the Torpedo carrying Beaufighters were called.
Since no one really wants to fight air to air anymore, a nice low level, fast, with a lot of punch bird sounds good to me.
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No doubt the Beaufighter is my personal #1 also, but in the context of the thread I dont see how it adds a capability the mossie doesnt have for the "average" pilot. No question the day it comes out the A-20 hits the hanger...
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No doubt the Beaufighter is my personal #1 also, but in the context of the thread I dont see how it adds a capability the mossie doesnt have for the "average" pilot. No question the day it comes out the A-20 hits the hanger...
As cynical as I'm feeling about AH right now, my response for what the average pilot would see as an impact bird, would be anything "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe", or any of the didn't see combat but were almost there at the end Allied birds.
Right now it seems that people want fast birds, big cannons and lots of em, or bombers that carry nukes.
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A-26 would get my vote.
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As cynical as I'm feeling about AH right now, my response for what the average pilot would see as an impact bird, would be anything "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe", or any of the didn't see combat but were almost there at the end Allied birds.
Right now it seems that people want fast birds, big cannons and lots of em, or bombers that carry nukes.
Hence my post in the general forum. While it wouldnt solve the problem it would attract a lot of "us" and minimize the appeal to at least a portion of the player base.
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Hence my post in the general forum. While it wouldnt solve the problem it would attract a lot of "us" and minimize the appeal to at least a portion of the player base.
How many of us do you think are left in AH Humble? It feels a bit like we're the last of the breed that still sees this for the history and the flight, instead of the conquest at all costs. I keep wondering if the latest wave has passed us by
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We can start a new wave:) :aok
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We can start a new wave:) :aok
Only if we get teh N00KZ ! :O
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Right now it seems that people want fast birds, big cannons and lots of em...
No, just one Cannon please :)
In the alternative of course... JUDY JUDY JUDY!
-Sik
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Most potential impact IMO (outside of :eek: B29's ) would be formation enabled Mosquito B XVI's.
B.XVI Bomber. Pressure cabin development of the B.IX with Merlin 72, 73, 76 and 77 engines able to carry 3000lb bombs. All were converted in 1944 to take 4000lb bomb in the fuselage and two 50 gallon wing drop tanks or 100 gallon drop tanks with four 500lb bombs
An A26 / Tu2 / Beaufighter could generate some hanger queens but the ability to make fast hi alt in/out accurate bomber sorties onto targets would change the nature of the bomber war.
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Most potential impact IMO (outside of :eek: B29's ) would be formation enabled Mosquito B XVI's.
An A26 / Tu2 / Beaufighter could generate some hanger queens but the ability to make fast hi alt in/out accurate bomber sorties onto targets would change the nature of the bomber war.
The Ki-67 can already to that.
Again, I don't think any new aircraft would have an impact on the main arena, not even the B-29 because of its perk cost. We already have an aircraft for just about any role you can think of, save for launching radio-controlled anti-ship missles. :devil
The only alternative is to fill in the gaps of our scenario planesets.
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Anaxogoras,
The Ki-67 carries 800kg (1764lbs) of bombs at about 335mph at about 22,000ft.
The Mosquito B.Mk XVI carries a 4,000lb bomb at about 410mph at about 27,000ft or six 500lb bombs at about 390mph at about 27,000ft.
The Ki-67 is better defended of course.
Tilt,
All Mosquito B.Mk XVIs were 'cookie' capable as delivered from the factory. There were a number Mosquito B.Mk IVs and Mosquito B.Mk IXs that were modified to carrie 'cookies' however.
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Ki-102 and Ki-44 might make a impact in the MA if you are looking for IJAAF aircraft.
Talking IJNAF, the P1Y1 Ginga "Frances" might also make an impact and more than 1000 of those were built.
Forgot P1Y1 and Ki-102 from my list. Il-10 was also missing from my list. That could prove to be fairly popular aswell.