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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CAP1 on November 10, 2008, 07:33:40 PM
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i was just watching the video in this thread.......http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,251730.0.html
decent video in there. something caught my eye though. whenevr you see any video of the (invasion?) fleet, there's barrage balloons(i think that's what they were called?) all over the place.
anyway, considering the lancstuka problems when a fleet gets near enough to a base to cause a nice fight, what would be the general opinion on having the possibility of these on the perimeter ships?
to take it a step farther, how about putting them up around some of the foward bases. this would aid those stubborn types that refuse to launch from another base and fly 1 or 2 sectors, to get there just in time for the vulchers to auger.
just a thought......and would be pretty cool i think.
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Absolutely :aok
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Would give vulchers a pause over bases.
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Love to see them added.
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Just shoot em down while you deack.....
wrongway
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Would give vulchers a pause over bases.
ack-ack
yup. im all for them
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VIDEO 1:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27648023#27648023 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27648023#27648023)
VIDEO 2:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27651379#27651379 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27651379#27651379)
Nice find! <S>
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40SkiZzo
35thFG/40thFS :devil
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I want Artillary with AA guns, like the 5". Then lets see a damn lanc 500ft off the deck :eek:
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Yes! We'll have something to fly when eny goes to 35 :aok
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Yes! We'll have something to fly when eny goes to 35 :aok
:rofl :rofl
NOW THAT i didn't think of!! :rofl
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Yes! We'll have something to fly when eny goes to 35 :aok
mmmhhh... suddenly I have to think of that tune.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Bxb3oYzHY
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mmmhhh... suddenly I have to think of that tune.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Bxb3oYzHY
lololololol
i remember that solng being played on wfil......an AM radio station :rofl
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i was just watching the video in this thread.......http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,251730.0.html
decent video in there. something caught my eye though. whenevr you see any video of the (invasion?) fleet, there's barrage balloons(i think that's what they were called?) all over the place.
anyway, considering the lancstuka problems when a fleet gets near enough to a base to cause a nice fight, what would be the general opinion on having the possibility of these on the perimeter ships?
to take it a step farther, how about putting them up around some of the foward bases. this would aid those stubborn types that refuse to launch from another base and fly 1 or 2 sectors, to get there just in time for the vulchers to auger.
just a thought......and would be pretty cool i think.
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It will not make any difference. They can still drop bombs from below them. If they do it from hi alt, the bombs come in on an angle anyway. It will only prevent the attack planes from dropping vertically as they should and make them use bufs instead
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It will not make any difference. They can still drop bombs from below them. If they do it from hi alt, the bombs come in on an angle anyway. It will only prevent the attack planes from dropping vertically as they should and make them use bufs instead
my intention with that suggestion was to prevent the "lancsutkas". they'd get torn up in the cables. the idea is to almost sort of force the aggressors to use level bombing.
one other side effect i only just now thought of, it would help keep good gv battles clear of low bombers too, for the same reasons.
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my intention with that suggestion was to prevent the "lancsutkas". they'd get torn up in the cables.
Would be nice if barrage balloons were ever introduced, they'd also have the explosive charges mounted on cables like the most of them had.
ack-ack
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Would be nice if barrage balloons were ever introduced, they'd also have the explosive charges mounted on cables like the most of them had.
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They did. :huh
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Would be nice if barrage balloons were ever introduced, they'd also have the explosive charges mounted on cables like the most of them had.
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they had explosives? i never knew that
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There were certainly some versions of British barrage balloons that used small explosives on the cables. They were triggered by the shock of an aircraft striking the cable. Some were designed to cut the cable so that it draped over the striking aircraft while deploying parachutes to add large amounts of drag to the problem. Others were intended to deploy parachutes to slow the fall of the cable after a strike. You can imagine the problems of dropping hundreds of feet of steel cable onto a populated city with nothing to slow its fall.
I'm not sure that I'd go so far as to say that most balloons had these arrangements, and as far as I know, it was mostly the British that experimented with these things. Regardless, striking a steel cable is hard on your aircraft :)
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I want Artillary with AA guns, like the 5". Then lets see a damn lanc 500ft off the deck :eek:
YES!!! dual 5" guns at every Vbas and Barrage Balloons at air bases! What fun!
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Well, Imagine having to program this concept.
Terrain editor now basically puts "Trees" in the air, but at about 1/20th of the width. Attack it to static ballons, decide what the dmg model will be to aircraft in each hitbox, decide if every airfield gets it, or strat target, or will it be random, and how will that effect the dynamic of the "economics" of gameplay, will it require its own strat to support, can it be player supplied, controlled etc...
Then add in the fact that all it will really do is require anything with forward firing guns to spray it down and its basically negated.
The whole point of those ballons during daylight operations was to provide a low level "wall" of defense that could force High AOA's for V-1's and Dive Bombers and the strat bombers would still be maintained via the ack ack barrages.
Their best use was at night
This game doesnt have night, but it does have tons of suicidal squeakers who will simply go in and spray these things down.
What it would do for defense, is already done by the laser small caliber ack on fields and towns. The strats get the 3K+ Puffy to compensate.
At best it would be eye candy, and the amount of time HT would have to devote to it would simply not equate to anything of any significant gameplay.
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Good ideas/suggestions in this thread, I would love to see some barrage ballons in AH, especialy with how much fighting-without-a-second-thought we seem to do around ships and other places that historicaly had these.
This topic would probabley fair beter though in the wishlist forum (*wink* *nudge*).
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Good ideas/suggestions in this thread, I would love to see some barrage ballons in AH, especialy with how much fighting-without-a-second-thought we seem to do around ships and other places that historicaly had these.
This topic would probabley fair beter though in the wishlist forum (*wink* *nudge*).
THAT is a major part of what i was getting at. the lancstuka problem being another.
i understand it would take a bit of program writing, but i don't know enough to know how hard it would actually be. i can't see it being a whole lot harder than having the cv's or auto ack to begin with.
am i able to move this there myself, or do i hafta get skuzzy to do it? i should've put it there, but was reading in this forum when i was thinking 'bout it.
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Well, I'm sure I'm venturing out onto thin ice here, but is the "Lancstuka problem" something that needs to be solved?
I'll grant you that it is an ahistoric use of the Lancaster that usually results in the destruction of the participating bombers, but there are a number of these types of non-historic actions that spread beyond dive bombing Lancasters. From a game play point of view, are dive bombing Lancasters that much of an issue? Maybe I've just not seen the really heinous abuse of this tactic.
For my money, Ju-88s make much better dive bombers (they come with flaps and everything).
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Well, I'm sure I'm venturing out onto thin ice here, but is the "Lancstuka problem" something that needs to be solved?
I'll grant you that it is an ahistoric use of the Lancaster that usually results in the destruction of the participating bombers, but there are a number of these types of non-historic actions that spread beyond dive bombing Lancasters. From a game play point of view, are dive bombing Lancasters that much of an issue? Maybe I've just not seen the really heinous abuse of this tactic.
For my money, Ju-88s make much better dive bombers (they come with flaps and everything).
well, if i'm not mistaken, the ju88's were actually employed as divebombers in some instances.
the lancstuka thing.....seems to be a spotty kind of thing. sometimes ya see guys goin nuts, diving in, dropping their loads, and either bailing, or augering. i've seen it done with a20's, b24's and b17's too.
in other instances, i've been in good gv battles, that've been disrupted by low buffs. on the other hand, i've done the same thing. in the instance of attack aircraft, that's fine. but if the cables were there, it'd make guys think twice before coming in unrealistically low.
i wasn't thinking to employ them at all bases. i was thinking only at coastal and/or front line bases, where the furballs happen, mainly because this is also where the vulching inevitably happens. simply make them indestructable.(the barrage balloons) this would allow pilots to up and defend a capped base without too much fear of being vulched or picked.
the bases could still easily be FUBARED, but they'd have to do it by level bombing.
i'm not saying it SHOULD be done, but rather was wondering how things would be IF it were done.
if nothing else, they'd make decent eye candy. at worst, those that like to vulch would have a bit of a harder time at it.
i especially liked the idea of them with explosives on the cables, as akak mentioned......THAT could be fun to watch!
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here's my skin :D(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/blimp.jpg)
niiiice
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The idea makes one wonder if there were any vehicles designed as Barrage Balloon moorings.... Wouldn't it be kinda cool to have a GV that could travel to a location and deploy a barrage balloon. Of course, once deployed the vehicle would have to remain stationary until the balloon was reeled in (which should be a slow operation).
Just a thought. Assuming such a vehicle ever existed.
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The idea makes one wonder if there were any vehicles designed as Barrage Balloon moorings.... Wouldn't it be kinda cool to have a GV that could travel to a location and deploy a barrage balloon. Of course, once deployed the vehicle would have to remain stationary until the balloon was reeled in (which should be a slow operation).
Just a thought. Assuming such a vehicle ever existed.
great addition!! i like that idea too!! :aok
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The idea makes one wonder if there were any vehicles designed as Barrage Balloon moorings.... Wouldn't it be kinda cool to have a GV that could travel to a location and deploy a barrage balloon. Of course, once deployed the vehicle would have to remain stationary until the balloon was reeled in (which should be a slow operation).
Just a thought. Assuming such a vehicle ever existed.
Oh yeah, mobile barrage balloon setups were reasonably common. The British used lorries for mobile deployment of balloons, and of course, they were popular on landing craft during amphibious invasions. The following site has lots of great information and nifty photos of barrage balloons in action:
http://www.skylighters.org/barrageballoons/
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Oh yeah, mobile barrage balloon setups were reasonably common. The British used lorries for mobile deployment of balloons, and of course, they were popular on landing craft during amphibious invasions. The following site has lots of great information and nifty photos of barrage balloons in action:
http://www.skylighters.org/barrageballoons/
Well there you have it! I think we need these!
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Oh yeah, mobile barrage balloon setups were reasonably common. The British used lorries for mobile deployment of balloons, and of course, they were popular on landing craft during amphibious invasions. The following site has lots of great information and nifty photos of barrage balloons in action:
http://www.skylighters.org/barrageballoons/
this is what i like about this place.......ya toss an idea out there, and it snowballs in a good way. :aok
now if we could find a way to add em without making too much extra work for htc. :D