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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on November 16, 2008, 05:25:24 AM
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We have figured out that over 95% of the driving we do are to places within 15 minutes from the house. The only time we drive further is to the summer house or the cabin so we are going to get an electric car in january/feb :) All it really needs is room for two adults, two kids and a little boot for the shopping. Was talking to the neighbour and he was thinking about doing the same thing, so we are going to sit down one of these days to see if our driving patterns match so that we may get one and share it.
Are there any new exciting cars comming to the market the next couple of months in terms of newer battery technologies, or are they mainly just refinements of exsisting stuff?
Anyone here own one?
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Mitsubishi iMiEV could be appropriate one:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/special/ev/index.html
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electrical power is the future, just look at how far portable power tools have come in power and battery endurance.
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electrical power is the future, just look at how far portable power tools have come in power and battery endurance.
And yet my mouse dies in about a month and a half. We can see where the priorities lies. :uhoh
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My microsoft mouse lasts for about 6 months and i use all the time. Pretty impressive actually.
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I would hold off buying until more car manufacturers start building Extended-Range Electric cars like the gm-volt. If your commute is less than 40 miles a day you will use zero gas. However if you need to go on a long trip or your commute is slightly over 40 miles it has internal combustible engine that will power the electric motor for extended range. The internal combustible engine is also capable of running on other fuels besides gasoline. The gm-volt concept car is a win-win situation. If you believe global warming is man made this car is a step in the right direction since it would produce zero emissions. If you don't like sending OPEC money this car can help reduce dependency on foreign oil.
http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/?seo=goo
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We have an overcast of smug clouds in the area
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wonder how much your home electric bill will go up from charging this car though.
you also won;t do much to put out less polution, but rather will simply change the source of it.
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wonder how much your home electric bill will go up from charging this car though.
you also won;t do much to put out less polution, but rather will simply change the source of it.
Hardly anything compared to buying gas
And to quote mitsubishi motors: "The car emits absolutely no CO2 while operating. Even when taking into account CO2 emissions at the power plants that generate the power needed for charging the car, it emits only 28% of the CO2 of a gasoline minicar."
I have read similar things elsewere.
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Hardly anything compared to buying gas
And to quote mitsubishi motors: "The car emits absolutely no CO2 while operating. Even when taking into account CO2 emissions at the power plants that generate the power needed for charging the car, it emits only 28% of the CO2 of a gasoline minicar."
I have read similar things elsewere.
co2 could be eliminated by not using catalytic converters. we can burn engines clean eough without them now, but as the epa mandates them they're not going anywhere.
should electric cars become more popular, imagine you, and about 1/2 of your state all plugging in when they get home from work. demand goes up. co2 output will go up.
imagine in kalifornia where they already have their "rolling brownouts" they'll get worse.
i'm not trying to say you shouldn't do it, i'm only trying to say that they're not the solution to pollution problems.
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Yep - electricity is a means of transferring power, not a source of power in itself.
Unless you're sure the source of electricity is more efficient / cleaner than the internal combustion engine its replacing, there's no point. Also, be sure to factor in the impact of creating, using and disposing of the batteries.
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This is already proven and you can find it plenty of places on the net. An electric engine is far more efficient than the internal combustion engine for this use. Powerplants are (or can be) more efficent, the logistics of moving electricity around vs gas, the heat created at powerplants (fueled by fossile fuels) can be sent to other customers rather than wasted. Up here most of the power is also created by hydro electric plants.
There is no maybe about it. The overall co2 and other harmful gasses would go WAY down if we switched to electric cars. Noise pollution is another factor that is less important yet it is a factor. That is not the reason for us getting one though. They are way cheaper to run, free parking, no toll both fees and you can drive in the public transport lanes. Add insurance cost and subsidies and there is no contest for OUR kind of driving.
Oh and our reports also sais that even if every norwegian switched to electric cars overnight it would only add some 20% strain on the powergrid, and it could handle it with only minor improvments in those areas with the oldest and most strained grids.
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Nilsen, for the love of god man don't do it! :O
I refer you to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W32hStUuFg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W32hStUuFg)
:lol
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Also, you'll notice that the table is faster off the line here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtGp8Sha_mA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtGp8Sha_mA)
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If you believe global warming is man made not buying this car is a step in the right direction since it would produce 10 that's one zero times the emissions compared to continuing to drive your old beater.
There, fixed that for ya! :salute
This is the biggest fallacy of enviromental marketing. The only way to reduce emissions is to stop consuming. Guess what, they won't or can't tell you that.
The development and manufacturing of a hybrid car takes way more resources than you would ever use while driving your old car.
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There, fixed that for ya! :salute
This is the biggest fallacy of enviromental marketing. The only way to reduce emissions is to stop consuming. Guess what, they won't or can't tell you that.
The development and manufacturing of a hybrid car takes way more resources than you would ever use while driving your old car.
Very true UNLESS you need a new car in the first place. Im not doing it to save the enviroment though, only my wallet.
If electric/hybrid/whatever cars are going into the marketplace in a normal replacement cycle as an alternative to the "normal" cars, and NOT as an addition to them then the enviromental marketing as you call it is true.
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Where can I buy a hybrid Jeep?
Until I can find one, I guess I will just suffer at 15mpg, and a 19 gal. fill-up while still retaining the ability to travel wherever I damn well please.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Jeep/HickoryRun.jpg)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Jeep/UnderTurnpike.jpg)
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Until hybrid cars can do this.... f- k the envirnoment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vc6A2xFQ_Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vc6A2xFQ_Y)
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Roads where i need to go are flat and with asfalt on them so i dont need a jeep. I need to move the missus, my kid and groceries around the city and out to my house.
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Paved roads are just another example of superfluous government spending :devil
Seriously though, I wouldn't mind something cheaper on the wallet for a to/from work vehicle.
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hmm I guess a tesla (http://www.teslamotors.com/) is not practical then...
LPG may still be the cheapest way to go (although its better for longer journeys as then engine needs to be warmed up before you switch from petrol to gas)
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I think this is good for Nilsen.
http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/
Order it and you may support our small car industry also. :)
News section: 11.14.2008 FISKER AUTOMOTIVE AND VALMET AUTOMOTIVE HAVE SIGNED FINAL ASSEMBLY CONTRACT FOR THE FISKER KARMA
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Henrik makes some very nice cars - he did a M6 a coupla years ago which was really sweet :aok
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Why you all on nilsen like this?? He is buying the damn thing. He is not telling you to buy it?
Would I buy one ... NO. Wouldn't fit my needs. If it fits his, why pee in his cheerios?
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After Mr. Religion and Mr. Politics, Mr. Gun and Mr. Car are some of the subjects that evoke emotions with those who are into them so i was kind of expecting the thread to get abit bent out of shape. I'm just into Mr. Car as a means of transportation so I just filter out the crap :)
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I'm holding out for a Mr. Fusion.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/mrfusion.jpg)
And you may want to re-think sharing a car with your neighbor. Unless you desire to go to war with him over it.
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I dont think thats gonna be too much of a problem. I own the land he has his house on :D
If he gets nasty ill tell him to move his house from my property :lol
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I'm holding out for a Mr. Fusion.
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/mrfusion.jpg)
And you may want to re-think sharing a car with your neighbor. Unless you desire to go to war with him over it.
I've installed the flux capacitor in my Jeep, I just can't get it to go 88 Mph. :lol
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There, fixed that for ya! :salute
This is the biggest fallacy of enviromental marketing. The only way to reduce emissions is to stop consuming. Guess what, they won't or can't tell you that.
The development and manufacturing of a hybrid car takes way more resources than you would ever use while driving your old car.
NOT ONLY that, but the price also offsets(for the most part) your savings in gas cost.
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Why you all on nilsen like this?? He is buying the damn thing. He is not telling you to buy it?
Would I buy one ... NO. Wouldn't fit my needs. If it fits his, why pee in his cheerios?
i wasn't on him. i was simply offering an outlook that he may have overlooked.
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NOT ONLY that, but the price also offsets(for the most part) your savings in gas cost.
Just remember that we are the worlds third largest oil exporter so our gas costs 2-3 times what you pay for it ;)
If you had to read that sentance twice, then dont bother.. you did read it correctly the first time :D
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Just remember that we are the worlds third largest oil exporter so our gas costs 2-3 times what you pay for it ;)
If you had to read that sentance twice, then dont bother.. you did read it correctly the first time :D
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo.........nevermind... ...... :noid :noid
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Just remember that we are the worlds third largest oil exporter so our gas costs 2-3 times what you pay for it ;)
If you had to read that sentance twice, then dont bother.. you did read it correctly the first time :D
I knew it, I just never really understand why it is that way... Do you have any elections there? :devil
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I knew it, I just never really understand why it is that way... Do you have any elections there? :devil
Yeah and the party that always wants to reduce all kinds of taxes and spend more keeps losing (right wing conservatives). Between elections they rank high but when people actually go to vote they go for the alternatives that are serious and have a proven track record for getting it right. :)
oops.. lets stop here before the thread gets locked.
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Nilsen: do you have any Watt consumption figures pr km?
AFAIK, where I live it would be 1/5th or less of the ´petrol costs, so if one is doing short distance driving, this is very very interesting. Would gladly trade some space for extra batteries for an endurance of some 200 miles, and where I live the energy is clean.
Then there is the question of charging time. With seperate battery "tanks" it wouldn´t have to be so bad, charging many at a time....
I am quite positive towards electric cars.
BTW, in my country the KW goes for about 5-6 euro cents, while the petrol is about one euro or even more.
Come to think of it, in countries like ours, who use clean energy for smelting etc, a society where most of the cars were electrical would provide power buyers paying vastly more than the big industrial corporations, ´i.e. you, me and the rest....
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Keep in mind that in colder climates you also need a cupe warmer of some sort using diesel or whatever to stay warm inside your car. Still way cheaper.
No idea of watt consumption but a "full tank" in a Think costs about 4NOK to charge. Thats just over 50 us cents.
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Nilsen
I am also from a large crude oil producing country where we pay more for our gas & diesel. Gas ~$1.00 CDN and diesel ~1.15 CDN. Have looked at getting a pure electric car but bateriers for me don't last long. Constant charging and use and I have to change cell phone battries every year (use ~600hrs/year). My concern was always with the battries in the car wouldn't hold up to the constant charging and use too.
Wish I didn't need to travel distance (~9,000 km / month) or I would have an pure electric too.
Electricity here is produced in Hydro electric dams, wind, and run of river, so there is no burning of fossil fuels to produce electricity. :aok
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Most of ours is hydro too but as a part of the european grid we get coal, nuclear etc power too when we produce less than we need, and export pure power when we use less.
Anywho... I belive that several of the electric car producers guarantees their batteries and when you buy a car you also get a battery service plan. That means that the first couple of years or so the battery is their problem until you buy a new pack that also comes with the same service. They are expencive when you have to replace them, but devided over the miles you drive + power the cost is still low. If i buy now i would also think that battery technology will have improved and gotten cheaper before the first replacement cycle. But yes.. it is a risk (after the warranty/service period is over)
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I remember an episode of top gear where they broke down the process of making a Toyota prius, by the time they added up everything from mining the nickle, shipping it oversees to be converted to nickle "foam" or whatever, then back somwhere to be converted to a batter, then have the battery shipped around to the plant .. etc etc all that crap. After it was all said and done, it was determined that only after 300,000 miles would a prius have a smaller environmental footprint than a land rover, and under 150,000 it actually has a bigger one due to the mining of the nickle and all the other nasty chemical byproducts that come out of making the battery.. the punchline being that Toyota only expects 100k max before the battery needs to be replaces.
granted this was a car show, not a scientific convention, still the argument is compelling.
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I remember an episode of top gear where they broke down the process of making a Toyota prius, by the time they added up everything from mining the nickle, shipping it oversees to be converted to nickle "foam" or whatever, then back somwhere to be converted to a batter, then have the battery shipped around to the plant .. etc etc all that crap. After it was all said and done, it was determined that only after 300,000 miles would a prius have a smaller environmental footprint than a land rover, and under 150,000 it actually has a bigger one due to the mining of the nickle and all the other nasty chemical byproducts that come out of making the battery.. the punchline being that Toyota only expects 100k max before the battery needs to be replaces.
granted this was a car show, not a scientific convention, still the argument is compelling.
that episode was just on bbc america a couple days ago
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hmm I guess a tesla (http://www.teslamotors.com/) is not practical then...
LPG may still be the cheapest way to go (although its better for longer journeys as then engine needs to be warmed up before you switch from petrol to gas)
That is an interesting concept but there is NO WAY the average person will / will be able to pay $60k for an electric go-cart.
If they could cut that cost by 2/3 they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. I'm sure a large portion of that $60k is going to go to battery development since right now there is no feasible viable economical way to create a battery that can deliver the performance that Tesla boasts. I wish them luck. Businesses like this with vision and foresight have been and always will be what makes the free market the best way to run an economy.
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Nilsen, a few important things I didn't see mentioned...
1) Charging time. Takes all night. If you run it down, then have an emergency, you better have a gas engine car for backup. Think about this... wife brings it home with 10% battery left, one of the kids breaks his arm. You're not exactly going to be able to top it up from the hospital parking lot.
2) Resale. Do you plan to buy or lease? If you're going to buy, what's the market like for used vehicles? Do you plan on having it longer than the warranty? What is the warranty, and do you have 10k+ USD laying around to replace the battery when it dies (it does, they all do) out of warranty?
3) Total Cost of Ownership. How many dealerships does it have? How fast are the repair times? How easy are parts to get? How does the cost and quality of those parts stack up against traditional brands like Toyota?
An electric car would fit my driving habits perfectly. Unfortunately, they're really far from being a viable product to actually buy and live with.
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Bear in mind that most of the car is...just a car. It+s probably slightly simpler than a conventional one if anything.
Brand is brand, service is service.
Now, for the half empty car in the garage, my mind goes again to an extra battery pack. Isn't that how the Tesla car works?
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just saw today, Mini (BMW), is coming out with a all electric Mini, range 120 miles, 3 hour recharge. regenerative braking.
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I would hold off buying until more car manufacturers start building Extended-Range Electric cars like the gm-volt. If your commute is less than 40 miles a day you will use zero gas. However if you need to go on a long trip or your commute is slightly over 40 miles it has internal combustible engine that will power the electric motor for extended range. The internal combustible engine is also capable of running on other fuels besides gasoline. The gm-volt concept car is a win-win situation. If you believe global warming is man made this car is a step in the right direction since it would produce zero emissions. If you don't like sending OPEC money this car can help reduce dependency on foreign oil.
http://www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/?seo=goo
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Soda, it is an internal combustion engine. The one you mentioned wouldn't last because everytime you used it the internals would burn up ;)
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Did you know the car manufacturers are already prepard to give us whatever it is that is decided is the best option? Hydrogen/electric/LP it doesnt matter but someone needs to make a decision as to which direction to go because tooling up and going in any one direction and away from petroleum is going to be expensive. Throw into that the fact that GM and Ford claim to be in deep trouble and now might not be the time for a change.
HOWEVER you know Honda has a car that runs on natural gas already? Right now thats as close to zero emissions as anyone has gotten even beating electric (because of the emissions caused by generating electricity). AND this spring they launch the Honda Insight Hybrid which will be even better (in full ECON mode).
I expect Obama will legislate US manufacturers to tool over to green vehicles if he can get away with it.
Ford makes a car overseas that can get better then 70 mpg but US laws would not allow it on our roads.
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its not feasable in the short term to switch to an alternative fuel that cannot be delivered via the infrastructure in place..
current electrics are worse than gas due to the pollution created by the process of creating them.
Hydrogen is way out still..
forget solar.
my vote is still for bio fuel, more precisely Ethanol that derived by switchgrass.
It can be grown easly without using large amounts of fertalizer, it has a lower carbon footprint than even corn ethanol.
all the technology to use it is currently available.
and most importantly, it can be transported, and distributed by facilities already in place.
too bad Big Oil still has the government bought and paid for.
oh well, on the bright side, the Saudis can keep buying gold plated toilets.
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Soda, it is an internal combustion engine. The one you mentioned wouldn't last because everytime you used it the internals would burn up ;)
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i'm missing something here? every car on the road today runs on an internal combustion engine, yet they don't burn up?
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i'm missing something here? every car on the road today runs on an internal combustion engine, yet they don't burn up?
yes you did, soda said "internal combustible engine". :lol
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Brand is brand, service is service.
It can be, depending on the brand. BMW, no problem. Tesla... big problem. You can't just go to Hi-Lo and order new brake pads for it. Without the major infrastructure of the large manufacturers, you're just a niche brand, which means ownership hassles.
There's a guy near where I live with a Smart Car. It's neat. It's efficient.... and you only have to drive 40 miles across town for service.
Now, for the half empty car in the garage, my mind goes again to an extra battery pack. Isn't that how the Tesla car works?
Somebody designed a battery pack that can run a car, costs so little you can have extras in your garage (electric & hybrid batteries run upwards of 10k USD), and can be quickly & easily swapped in and out by anybody from a 16 year old to a 80 year old woman, as fast as I can top off my tank with gas?
I've got a bridge you may be interested in purchasing....
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yes you did, soda said "internal combustible engine". :lol
doh!!
pardon me whilst i go remove my foot from my mouth. :rofl :rofl
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It can be, depending on the brand. BMW, no problem. Tesla... big problem. You can't just go to Hi-Lo and order new brake pads for it. Without the major infrastructure of the large manufacturers, you're just a niche brand, which means ownership hassles.
There's a guy near where I live with a Smart Car. It's neat. It's efficient.... and you only have to drive 40 miles across town for service.
Somebody designed a battery pack that can run a car, costs so little you can have extras in your garage (electric & hybrid batteries run upwards of 10k USD), and can be quickly & easily swapped in and out by anybody from a 16 year old to a 80 year old woman, as fast as I can top off my tank with gas?
I've got a bridge you may be interested in purchasing....
does anyonme realize that edison was messing with electric cars back in 1913?
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does anyonme realize that edison was messing with electric cars back in 1913?
Jay Leno has several in his garage, and they still run.
They weren't exactly using high end, lithium ion batteries though :(
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Jay Leno has several in his garage, and they still run.
They weren't exactly using high end, lithium ion batteries though :(
ooo i know.......but i was going on the basis that if we haven't gotten one to work well in all this time, then it might be a clue to look somewhere else.
on the other hand, i was watching the histor channel the other night......a show about nicola tesla came on. was good. only prob was i didn't make it all the way through. commercial came on, and suddenly, my alarm is going off. :rofl
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If you are serious about buying a electric or hybrid car, make sure you don't miss this one.
www.aptera.com
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Of all the things in the original post, the thing that stood out when I read it was that 95% of the driving y'all do is within 15 minutes of your :aok home. Wow. That must be pretty nice.
Look forward to reading your follow-on posts after you make the purchase & start driving the thing around for a while.
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ooo i know.......but i was going on the basis that if we haven't gotten one to work well in all this time, then it might be a clue to look somewhere else.
technology has come a lonnng way since then, and until recently, there hasn't been any real incentive to apply it to vehicles.
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Of all the things in the original post, the thing that stood out when I read it was that 95% of the driving y'all do is within 15 minutes of your :aok home. Wow. That must be pretty nice.
Look forward to reading your follow-on posts after you make the purchase & start driving the thing around for a while.
Im retired and the missus works from home. All the driving we need to do is shopping in the city and to deliver the kid at kindergarden. Inlaws and my dad also lives within 15-20 mins :)
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Very true UNLESS you need a new car in the first place. Im not doing it to save the enviroment though, only my wallet.
If electric/hybrid/whatever cars are going into the marketplace in a normal replacement cycle as an alternative to the "normal" cars, and NOT as an addition to them then the enviromental marketing as you call it is true.
It would be far more ecofriendly to extend the lifecycle of current cars by maintaining them longer. But the car industry must sell more cars every year in order to bring profits to the stock owners, therefore hybrid cars etc. are being marketed as ecofriendly and come with a price premium.
The global warming brings with it the scam of a century - ripping off consumers riding on ecological guilt. What's unprecedented is that it now happens on state level - taxation follows the lead. Very telling that instead of releasing ecological products and green tech development from tax they rise taxes on all 'bad' instead. Which leaves people with no alternative but continue using their old tech only paying a lot more tax for it.
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The gm-volt concept car is a win-win situation.
The Volt doesn't even exist. It's a cockpit mock-up and a lot of advertising. As of a month or so ago, they didn't even have a running prototype. That's the last electric car I'd want to buy- built at the last possible moment at the greatest possible expense.
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The Volt doesn't even exist. It's a cockpit mock-up and a lot of advertising. As of a month or so ago, they didn't even have a running prototype. That's the last electric car I'd want to buy- built at the last possible moment at the greatest possible expense.
I was referring to the concept of the car as a extended range electric vehicle being a win-win situation for environment issues and foreign oil dependency and was not referring to price or quality. The Gm-Volt design meets the basic expectations Americans would expect from a vehicle that would not be met with a pure electric Vehicle. As long as you can fill it up with gas it will go, just like every other car does today with no restrictions, and no changes to our lifestyle. However I do not disagree that if they can't price it reasonably I don't see it working here in the US. The Toyota Prius will most likely be it's main competition and if they can't compete on price or quality gm might as well move on to something else.
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The Volt exists. At least the battery core part of it does.
It's sitting on a machine right now, next to the original Volt battery, going through lifespan tests to meet CARB regulations. If it weren't for CARB, the car would be rolling out already.
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GM is already touting the car in TV ads, even though they don't yet have a working prototype. "The real trick on the car is software. The car needs to know where home plate is. So if you, for some reason, have gone from work instead of directly home, you've gone shopping, and you're starting to run out of battery on the way home, the computer will tell the gas engine, 'Look, he's five miles from home, only run for three minutes, because he only needs enough to get home,'" Lutz explains.
What about safety? In 2006, Dell was forced to issue the biggest recall in electronics history when its lithium-ion batteries burst into flames. Lutz says GM has solved that problem with its batteries, but they need a lot more testing to check how durable and reliable they are in extreme weather and real-road conditions. Still, Lutz insists the Volts will be in dealerships by 2010.
From Lutz' interview on CBS in October. Sure sounds like it doesn't exist, even if they have a battery design they're testing, although Lutz may not be that well informed as to what GM is doing. Maybe they busted their butts and the car now exists, but I would bet against Nilsen being able to buy one.
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There's a 5+ page write up on it in either this or last month's WIRED. They're well into platform testing already, and pretty much banking the companies turn around on it. The main hang up is CARB testing takes 10 real world years (thank you Cali... :huh ). They're simulating it with what's basically a giant oven, heating & cooling, heating & cooling, to get 10 years worth of battery cycles in 1 year. Once they're sure they'll meet CARB requirements, and the project is viable, we'll see a lot more about it.
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I got myselve a toyota yaris last month, it goes on 0,4 pr km to 0,6 pr km depending if I drive in the city, or longer trips outside. mixed driveing leaves me on about 0,5 pr km. pretty neat...
exellent car for my use now, cheap to buy and drive it even got 5 in the euroknap secureity tests.
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THE ELECTRIC CAR WAS DEVELOPED 20 YEARS AGO. YOUR GOVERNMENT PUT A STOP TO IT
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THE ELECTRIC CAR WAS DEVELOPED 20 YEARS AGO. YOUR GOVERNMENT PUT A STOP TO IT
THE ELECTRIC CAR WAS DEVELOPED 100 YEARS AGO. JAY LENO HAS SOME IN HIS GARAGE. THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, CONSUMERS DID.
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THE ELECTRIC CAR WAS DEVELOPED 20 YEARS AGO. YOUR GOVERNMENT PUT A STOP TO IT
1913 by thomas edison. others have improvved on it since then
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gm-volt is equal to a 250 hp V6 engine, 0-60 in 9 secs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkTCAED7s5A&eurl=http://gm-volt.com/2008/11/23/video-volt-vehicle-line-executive-frank-weber-on-driving-the-volt-its-like-flying/&feature=player_embedded)
Not bad for an economy car...
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gm-volt is equal to a 250 hp V6 engine, 0-60 in 9 secs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkTCAED7s5A&eurl=http://gm-volt.com/2008/11/23/video-volt-vehicle-line-executive-frank-weber-on-driving-the-volt-its-like-flying/&feature=player_embedded)
Not bad for an economy car...
MY GEO PRISM WITH over 100k on it does 0 to 60 faster than that.
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THE ELECTRIC CAR WAS DEVELOPED 100 YEARS AGO. JAY LENO HAS SOME IN HIS GARAGE. THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, CONSUMERS DID.
more than that :)
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamais_Contente
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MY GEO PRISM WITH over 100k on it does 0 to 60 faster than that.
Most models of the GEO prism have 0-60 times between 10 and 11 seconds..
GEO PRISM
HP: 105hp @ 5600rpm
Torque: 100 ft/lbs @ 2800rpm
0-60 in 10.9 seconds
Top speed: 110mph
The GM-Volt improves in all category's except for top speed(assuming the GM production version of the volt achieves what they show in the video). However, until they produce it it's all speculation
HP: 250hp
Torque: 273 ft/lbs
0-60 in 9 seconds
Top speed: 100mph
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more than that :)
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamais_Contente
Now that's cool. The really interesting part is, if you went into your garage to build an electric buggy, the motors & whatnot would look almost exactly the same.
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Most models of the GEO prism have 0-60 times between 10 and 11 seconds..
GEO PRISM
HP: 105hp @ 5600rpm
Torque: 100 ft/lbs @ 2800rpm
0-60 in 10.9 seconds
Top speed: 110mph
The GM-Volt improves in all category's except for top speed(assuming the GM production version of the volt achieves what they show in the video). However, until they produce it it's all speculation
HP: 250hp
Torque: 273 ft/lbs
0-60 in 9 seconds
Top speed: 100mph
i'll time mine tonight to be sure. it isn't even remotly fast......i've never had it over 80mph, as it's screaming for mercy at that point. it doesn't take a full 10 seconds to hit 60 though. that is agonizingly slow. :D
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Some other interesting electric cars...
Phoenix Motors has an SUV and SUT that is a pure electric available for fleet purchases. Both vehicles use a battery from Altair Nanotechnologies, that is capable of being charged in 10 mins. However for the 10 minute charge it requires Off-Board High-Power 250KW Charger which is not likely going to be something you can setup at your house. They also come with an On-Board Vehicle 6.6KW Charger which can take 5 to 6 hours which would allow them to be charged from home.
http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/vehicles/phoenix-sut.php
Then there is the Fisker Karma extended range vehicle(EREV) that is using the same design concept of the gm-volt. I also believe fisker is using batteries made from Altair Nanotechnologies. However the 80,000 price tag will keep it away from most of us peasants..
http://gm-volt.com/2008/11/21/gm-to-supply-engines-for-the-fisker-karma-erev/
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Hippie!
:D
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LOL Challenge. The natural gas story is old news. Every manufacturer has natural gas engines ready. Detroit is so tied in with Washington it is pathetic.
UPS began deploying alternative fuel vehicles in the 1930s with a fleet of electric trucks that operated in New York City. The company's "green fleet" has traveled 143 million miles since 2000.
ATLANTA, Dec. 17, 2002 – Today UPS (NYSE: UPS) will introduce the package delivery industry's first alternative fuel Class 8 tractors. Ten Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) tractors will officially begin operating in the company’s West Coast fleet each day traveling from California to Nevada.
Waste Management (WMI) operates a fleet of nearly 500 gas-powered trash trucks, and UPS (UPS) just announced a new order for 300 new CNG vehicles. Pickens’ CLNE fuel will fill the tanks of many of these vehicles. Pickens is also invested heavily in Westport Innovations (WPIVF.PK), a Vancouver company that makes “proprietary solutions” allowing engines to operate on clean-burning fuels such as CLNE’s compressed natural gas [CNG] and liquefied natural gas [LNG], as well as hydrogen and biofuels such as landfill gas.