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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yenny on November 17, 2008, 02:06:29 AM
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^_^ just typical late night ranting because I can't sleep =/. 2 v. 1 at TT, Yak-9U + 38J v. 109F4. Took 38 down, got on yak's 6. He took off to friendlies. I got smart and broke off, check six and saw him breaking back towards me. I quickly turn to face him, and recieved a welcoming HO, and well it got ugly after a while. It's just sad that late night TT furballing look so ugly at times. I need a wingman to bnz cover me at TT while i tnb otd, any volunteer!
Oh yea here's da film of that.
http://files.filefront.com/Run+and+HOahf/;12377267;/fileinfo.html
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Cheese? :lol
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:lol close to dusting off my D9 :D
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:lol
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That's why our all knowing benefactor HiTech made it possible to be in a squad... Our squad rule #1 is NEVER fly without a wingman (if possible).
Look at squads like the AKs and A8s as well as my ow False Prophets and you will see a common "thread": If you are engaged with one, there are MORE of them in the area... Beware of top cover. If you are not in a squad that watches out for each other you are welcome to come and wing with us for a while. We always fly Bish, PM me in the MA and I will give you our squad VOX ch. :aok
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^^ I always fly knight !
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Nice flying Yenny, you're always a fun and respectable fight.
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:D thanks, I try to be fun and give respectable fight when I tnb.
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Yea, that was nice flying Yen. That Yak could've had a nice challenging 1 v 1 fight with you instead of running, then coming back to HO you after you turned. :salute
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<S> Yenny, you owned me fair and square. Last night was a heck of a fight but, you're right, there was a lot of dweebery too. I hope your CO gave you a new plane...
(YEAH! I made it into a BBS FILM!!)
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Just some observations...
I watched the film from the YAK's perspective... It looked to me like he lost sight of you at the point where you two were barrel rolling together. So, it looks like he tried extend to reaquire you. Looking at the quick backward glances while he was running, it appeared that he may have been seeing you AND Agent360 pursuing him. He didn't know that you had called everyone off. If he had taken a longer look backwards he might have realized that Agent360 wasn't really pursuing him. Perhaps the run was partially a product of his quick glancing SA, longer looks might have allowed a better assesment of the situation.
I also noticed that at about the same time that you turned away from the chase, his friend in the P38 who you had shot earlier, showed back up. Were they winging together and he was waiting for his wingman to get back into the fight? Was he trying to suck you into a 2vs1? Hard to say.
He did turn back to you once you broke off. I have seen this kind of behavior quite a bit in the MA. So, I've tried to get into the habit of breaking sooner if it's an enemy that I am not catching fast enough and I think I can beat. By breaking as soon as you realize that you aren't going to run him down, you are offering a new 1vs1. So, maybe if you had turned 90 degrees off the chase sooner, he would have come back sooner. Allowing the 1vs1 that you wanted before he got so close to his home base and his friends.
As for his HO attempt, it was simply a mistake on is part. It shows me that he is probably inexperienced and was not confident that he could beat you in a 1vs1. So he took a shot at you on the merge, hoping to end the fight early. You had out turned him once already, he probably didn't feel like he could beat you in a turn fight. Unfortunately for him, it forced him into the merge nose down. But your first turn after the merge wasn't very aggressive, I think that perhaps you gave up the chance to take advantage of his mistake and kill him right there, giving his P38 buddy more time to get into the fight. Which he did. The 2vs1 forced you defensive, until the P38 was able to knock your wing off.
So, was him running really wrong? In the end it probably turned the tables on you. It sucked you into his territory on the map, away from your own friends. Forced a reset of the fight. You had out turned him once, were on his long six while chasing, but he forced you to allow a new first merge or follow him deeper into Rook airspace. When he did re-engage you, he had a friendly (probably wingman) close by. He and the wingman forced you defensive until the wingman killed you.
Just another way to look at things. I think "Run and HO" is a little too simplistic. There's a lot more that happens in these MA fights. Many more things that must be considered.
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What I mean is it's TT. It's kinda different game play I guess from my perspective. I mean if I want to play it safe, I'll take my D-9 up and I'll be almost untouchable yet dropping people left and right. It just at TT it's different. I guess you could say people come to TT for tnb actions, furballing etc.
I could always take a D-9 up and make it not fun for people that get shotdown while have no idea what hit em=). Just at TT I don't do it!
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You got fixated and he dragged you low into his friendlies. The head-on attempts by the Yak were lame.
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Heh no I knew what I was getting into, but I was looking for the challange of multiple vs 1. Aside from the 38 there were 2-3 more coming in.
BTW Gava did you see the film I sent ya? ^_^ I need to practice that manuever and get the timing down. If you could play buy guy and hope on my six and we'll start the rolling scissors and I'll try to work on my break timing.
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Sure, next time we're both on yenny, any time. I did watch the film and just sent you a reply.
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...I also noticed that at about the same time that you turned away from the chase, his friend in the P38 who you had shot earlier, showed back up. Were they winging together and he was waiting for his wingman to get back into the fight? Was he trying to suck you into a 2vs1? Hard to say.
Nope, just flying by, asked if he needed help and gave it.
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Nope, just flying by, asked if he needed help and gave it.
Roger that. At any rate, PvtRyan did draw Yenny into territory that was to his benefit.
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Roger that. At any rate, PvtRyan did draw Yenny into territory that was to his benefit.
True that. I got dragged all over the place last night like a friggen red wagon.
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Roger that. At any rate, PvtRyan did draw Yenny into territory that was to his benefit.
LOL, Not surprised, PvtRyan pulled the same trick on me last night dragging my 9t to 2 of his fields for ack assistance etc. I'll post the film if I get bored. BTW Dave, in an earlier post you are talking about the yak losing sight and looking back. When in the film viewer with "use recorded views" checked you are seeing where Yenny was looking, not PvtRyan. The films don't record the views of anyone but the person filming.
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Just some observations...
As for his HO attempt, it was simply a mistake on is part. It shows me that he is probably inexperienced and was not confident that he could beat you in a 1vs1.
Just another way to look at things. I think "Run and HO" is a little too simplistic. There's a lot more that happens in these MA fights. Many more things that must be considered.
Look at his stats. It shows a little more on the "inexperience and confidence" It appears this is just his gameplay.
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When in the film viewer with "use recorded views" checked you are seeing where Yenny was looking, not PvtRyan. The films don't record the views of anyone but the person filming.
Hehe. that explains a lot. I never realized that, thanks. :lol
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^_^ just typical late night ranting because I can't sleep =/. 2 v. 1 at TT, Yak-9U + 38J v. 109F4. Took 38 down, got on yak's 6. He took off to friendlies. I got smart and broke off, check six and saw him breaking back towards me. I quickly turn to face him, and recieved a welcoming HO, and well it got ugly after a while. It's just sad that late night TT furballing look so ugly at times. I need a wingman to bnz cover me at TT while i tnb otd, any volunteer!
Oh yea here's da film of that.
http://files.filefront.com/Run+and+HOahf/;12377267;/fileinfo.html
Yenny, I see you use filefront, ranked as one of the worst for picking up Trojans, spyware and other unwanted garbage. My antivirus blocks it automatically as a "banned site".
Thus, I don't get to watch your films.
My regards,
Widewing
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QQ s1 else host it for me?
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That's why our all knowing benefactor HiTech made it possible to be in a squad... Our squad rule #1 is NEVER fly without a wingman (if possible).
Look at squads like the AKs and A8s as well as my ow False Prophets and you will see a common "thread": If you are engaged with one, there are MORE of them in the area... Beware of top cover. If you are not in a squad that watches out for each other you are welcome to come and wing with us for a while. We always fly Bish, PM me in the MA and I will give you our squad VOX ch. :aok
I fly w/o a wingman (no one wants to fly with me :() and i seem to make it ok :D
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That's why our all knowing benefactor HiTech made it possible to be in a squad... Our squad rule #1 is NEVER fly without a wingman (if possible).
Look at squads like the AKs and A8s as well as my ow False Prophets and you will see a common "thread": If you are engaged with one, there are MORE of them in the area... Beware of top cover. If you are not in a squad that watches out for each other you are welcome to come and wing with us for a while. We always fly Bish, PM me in the MA and I will give you our squad VOX ch. :aok
I beg to differ...
HT "made it possible to be in a squad..." because squadmates are a hoot (you shoulda been lucky enough to meet a few of his..:)). I'm sorry to hear about your "rule #1". My rule #1 is if it takes 2 of yah.....you're doin' something wrong!! :D
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Yenny, I see you use filefront, ranked as one of the worst for picking up Trojans, spyware and other unwanted garbage. My antivirus blocks it automatically as a "banned site".
Thus, I don't get to watch your films.
My regards,
Widewing
Thanks for the heads up on that Widewing...I wasn't aware of that! :salute
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Nice moves yenny
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I can't keep track of a wingman, I certainly dont expect them to keep track of me, im normally alone, and like it. :aok