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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Heater on November 18, 2008, 06:32:03 AM
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Why do we not have an ACM Discussion Forum ? HTC?
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Very good suggestion..
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Why do we not have an ACM Discussion Forum ? HTC?
That is an easy one...
We don't have an ACM Discussion Forum because furballing is counter-productive to winning the war. If you can't mob a base with 5X as many guys as you need to take it and STILL find the need to drop ALL the hangers at the field, you obviously should of gone in NOE. If you still cannot take the base, it is obvious that spies told them you were coming.
If all else fails, come on the forums and call everyone that disagrees with you a liar.
(ACM Discussion Forum would be a great idea, too many think ACM is 'One pass, haul ass')
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(ACM Discussion Forum would be a great idea, too many think ACM is 'Avoid Combat Manuevers')
fixed.
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We have the tools in place but it's up to the community as whole to use them. :salute The forums is what WE make it fellas. :salute
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As suggested by those who have little ACM or get killed a lot by those who DO know ACM, the new meaning of ACM = Automatic Cry Manufacturer
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I don't know guys, the old ACM pendulem could be swinging the right way again, got into some good fights last night with none of the ho-run-ho-run stuff, only time I saw that was where I knew I was gonna see it, 600ft alt with a spit coming right at me.
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We don't have an ACM Discussion Forum because furballing is counter-productive to winning the war. If you can't mob a base with 5X as many guys as you need to take it and STILL find the need to drop ALL the hangers at the field, you obviously should of gone in NOE. If you still cannot take the base, it is obvious that spies told them you were coming.
Hah!
Dude, like, that's the way they did it in the real war, you know?
- oldman
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ACM is nothing more then a fancy name. What you need to talk about is tactics. ACM is NOT tactics.
ACM is doing a good rolling scissors. Tactics is knowing WHEN to perform said rolling scissors.
Knowing *how* to perform a maneuver isn't nearly as important as knowing *when* to perform a maneuver- no matter how poorly or perfectly it's executed. A poorly executed immelman performed at a perfectly timed moment is twice as deadly as the inverse.
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ACM is nothing more then a fancy name.
Fancy name for fancy wins...
ACM is doing a good rolling scissors.
That's BFM.
Tactics is knowing WHEN to perform said rolling scissors.
That's timing.
Knowing *how* to perform a maneuver isn't nearly as important as knowing *when* to perform a maneuver- no matter how poorly or perfectly it's executed.
For top performance, both, execution and timing are equally important, both part of ACM.
Just my $0.2
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Why do we not have an ACM Discussion Forum ? HTC?
Now that's a good idea. :aok
But I'm sure the Help and Training forum cover most ACM related questions.
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I agree that a ACM subsection or forum would be a good idea, but before we can convince HTC that we should get one, why don't we use the Help and Training forum for that idea first to show that we actually need one more then just the random ACM or film post, as in enough to warrant its own forum.
donkey
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I think ACM fits rather nicely in the Help and Training Section. Problem is that discussions of anything very rarely stay on point and almost always degenerate into senseless arguments and or mindless streams of "smiley face" posts.
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I think ACM fits rather nicely in the Help and Training Section. Problem is that discussions of anything very rarely stay on point and almost always degenerate into senseless arguments and or mindless streams of "smiley face" posts.
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i laugh in your general direction!
i dont think you know what your talking about!!!!!
you need to read a book or something, maybe learn you some proper english while your at it!
who says we cant stay on topic??? ooh look a kitty.........
speaking of kitties have you seen my new cat pictures?
have you heard angelina jolies pregnant again?!
Azz-hools Can't Master
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FLOTSOM
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I think the biggest problem is that there are few absolutes in ACM. Everything is situational and there are a lot of subtle exploitable nuances. As Bighorn said its all timing and execution. So you run into a situation where the application of knowledge is dependent on not only the accuracy of your initial read but also the reaction of your adversary. It's amazing how well your ACM "mojo" works until you run into someone like Bighorn. All to often I think people are looking for absolute certainty in an uncertain world.
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2Bighorn --
Love your sig. You got me giggling with the "AH Oracle" link!
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i laugh in your general direction!
i dont think you know what your talking about!!!!!
you need to read a book or something, maybe learn you some proper english while your at it!
who says we cant stay on topic??? ooh look a kitty.........
speaking of kitties have you seen my new cat pictures?
have you heard angelina jolies pregnant again?!
Azz-hools Can't Master
<SALUTE>
FLOTSOM
Precisely :aok
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That is an easy one...
We don't have an ACM Discussion Forum because furballing is counter-productive to winning the war.
I played the game for maybe 7 years without caring about "winning the war". Lots of players couldn't care less about "the war". When I get my system back together and get playing again, my preferred gameplay will have nothing to do with "winning the war" and everything to do with air to air combat.
Not trying to change how anyone plays the game, just keep in mind that not everyone plays the game the same way. HTC has never mandated any particular type of gameplay, even though they have taken measures to reduce certain griefer behaviors.
As for an ACM forum, it might be a good idea. Way back in the WB/CK days, there were usually several active threads on how to do BFM and ACM. Nowadays those discussions seem to degenerate into the relative value of a given tactic, not how to actually accomplish it. Worr had a great series of articles on gunnery, I seem to recall writing a few long posts on wingman tactics along with some other flying pigs (which we then used to utterly dominate one of the old school large-scale scenarios), and there were some good writeups on defensive BFM. How to approach a furball without getting cherry picked was a common topic... Take the time to climb to the top of the furball and work your way down, circle it at medium alt and work your way in from the side, or fly in fast at low altitude, and pick off guys who had gotten low and slow? All good techniques, all work much better if you have a wingman that does nothing but clear lead's 6. Approach the fight in pairs. Flight lead enters the fight and picks a target, wingman sticks with the lead and does nothing but take potshots at anyone saddling up on lead. Either the lead or wingman can call for an abort or for the other pilot to "drag", giving a direction to turn and instructions to run or expect the wingman to shoot someone off their 6.
We don't seem to get those discussions anymore, and I think the forums that held all those old discussions are long gone.
The way-old usenet archives probably still have some of those threads... In fact, you can find a number of them through a usenet archive search. Search for any of the old handles or game idents in the old flightsim groups.
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What is that war you are talking about ?
All i have seen so far is some pawns trying to out number the other pawns, thus creating a situation where these pawns with greater number shoot these other pawns trying to lift off from a "fish barrel shooting event"
After this situation has calmed down, there might be some enthusiastic "Wtg! Good job on 55!" on the green channel and then everyone starts this over in a different field.
If one would be looking for a "war" i would suggest a certain other competing brand of massive online war game (but i cant do that because the FM and modeling blows)
For me, this game is about learning air combat. Too bad i suck at it... but everyone who gets their kicks about porking&vulching and base humping can do what they want, its their sub fee.
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Why do we not have an ACM Discussion Forum ? HTC?
It's called Help & Training (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/board,10.0.html), there are ongoing discussions there at this very moment.
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I played the game for maybe 7 years without caring about "winning the war". Lots of players couldn't care less about "the war". When I get my system back together and get playing again, my preferred gameplay will have nothing to do with "winning the war" and everything to do with air to air combat.
Not trying to change how anyone plays the game, just keep in mind that not everyone plays the game the same way. HTC has never mandated any particular type of gameplay, even though they have taken measures to reduce certain griefer behaviors.
As for an ACM forum, it might be a good idea. Way back in the WB/CK days, there were usually several active threads on how to do BFM and ACM. Nowadays those discussions seem to degenerate into the relative value of a given tactic, not how to actually accomplish it. Worr had a great series of articles on gunnery, I seem to recall writing a few long posts on wingman tactics along with some other flying pigs (which we then used to utterly dominate one of the old school large-scale scenarios), and there were some good writeups on defensive BFM. How to approach a furball without getting cherry picked was a common topic... Take the time to climb to the top of the furball and work your way down, circle it at medium alt and work your way in from the side, or fly in fast at low altitude, and pick off guys who had gotten low and slow? All good techniques, all work much better if you have a wingman that does nothing but clear lead's 6. Approach the fight in pairs. Flight lead enters the fight and picks a target, wingman sticks with the lead and does nothing but take potshots at anyone saddling up on lead. Either the lead or wingman can call for an abort or for the other pilot to "drag", giving a direction to turn and instructions to run or expect the wingman to shoot someone off their 6.
We don't seem to get those discussions anymore, and I think the forums that held all those old discussions are long gone.
The way-old usenet archives probably still have some of those threads... In fact, you can find a number of them through a usenet archive search. Search for any of the old handles or game idents in the old flightsim groups.
I think Del was just being sarcastic eagl. :)
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Why do we not have an ACM Discussion Forum ? HTC?
Well Heather.... every other line in the general discussions section already covers the HO. :D
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I think Del was just being sarcastic eagl. :)
That's why my post was longer than one line... To add content instead of just being snippy.
But if one line snippy comments works for you, then stick with it :aok
(heh just pulling yer leg)