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Title: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Shifty on November 19, 2008, 01:50:12 PM
Maybe I'm just looking at this from an old farts perspective. I started on-line flight sims with Red Baron online in 1992, then went to Air Warrior in 1994. After nearly going broke over it I gave up the hobby until I started Warbirds in 1997. In 2001 I came over to AH. I remember in the old days there was a little trash talk but for the most part people got along even if they were rivals. I don't recall the current level of cyber hatred and ingame flaming until the BBS Alt Games Warbirds (AGW) came out in the 90s.

It seemed once people had a place and the time to type without fear of getting shot down doing it behavior in the sims changed forever. The flight sim community just seemed a little friendlier before AGW was opened. I'm not knocking all you smack talkers, you have your ways and I have mine. Because I remember a time when things were different is why I ask. Maybe it was just the same then and I just don't remember it that way. My eyesight and hand eye coordination have gone to the chiter maybe my memory has as well. :D
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Shane on November 19, 2008, 01:52:01 PM
naw man, you're just peering into the fog-misted past thru rose colored glasses.

Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Denholm on November 19, 2008, 02:00:34 PM
Yes, those days of a loving community has almost vanished. Wouldn't want to be a new pilot entering the community and the first word you see on country is the F-bomb.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Kazaa on November 19, 2008, 02:06:35 PM
I blame the youth of today, dam those whipper snappers.  :furious
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Squire on November 19, 2008, 02:26:38 PM
They wont stay off the grass. :mad:
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Denholm on November 19, 2008, 02:28:03 PM
My neighbor is that way. He practically has an affair with his lawn. I'm convinced he would shoot any animal that dares touch a blade of grass on his lawn.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Oldman731 on November 19, 2008, 02:45:09 PM
Maybe it was just the same then and I just don't remember it that way. My eyesight and hand eye coordination have gone to the chiter maybe my memory has as well. :D

Yah, your memory is fading (takes one to know one).  It wasn't that there was no smack talk - any AW people who remember Slug and Homer and Brat and Subby, the list is almost endless, recall that the smack talk was profuse (maybe you Warbirds people were more refined) (but I doubt it).  The difference is that the smack talk was of a vastly higher quality than most of what we now see ("I am so IN!") ("Why don't you just go to the DA?") ("You a CHEATER!").  I put this down to the lower age of the current AH population.

At least, that's what I hope it is.

- oldman
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Shifty on November 19, 2008, 02:51:51 PM
Yah, your memory is fading (takes one to know one).  It wasn't that there was no smack talk - any AW people who remember Slug and Homer and Brat and Subby, the list is almost endless, recall that the smack talk was profuse (maybe you Warbirds people were more refined) (but I doubt it).  The difference is that the smack talk was of a vastly higher quality than most of what we now see ("I am so IN!") ("Why don't you just go to the DA?") ("You a CHEATER!").  I put this down to the lower age of the current AH population.

At least, that's what I hope it is.

- oldman

Well I'm going way back to AW DOS on the Genie network. The damn planes were all grey and names like Drum and Tominator are a couple I remember, not as smack talkers just guys I remember. Never heard of Slug or Homer There was a little back then, but it seemed everyone was busier flying. There was smack talk in Warbirds  too though it funnier back then. Then again the whines over getting shot down have always been there. I suppose the smack has been too. It still seems to me it got worse when Warbirds got a BBS or a lesser quality anyway..
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: daddog on November 19, 2008, 03:25:00 PM
We started in WB at the same time Shifty, 1997. Prior to that I was using KALI, (DOS version) to play WB head to head. That is where I met Ghosth and Vondoom. :)

Let others say what they want Shifty, but from this old timers perspective the trash talk has amplified. Much like the increase of crime you see per capita in the populated cities.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: oakranger on November 19, 2008, 03:39:28 PM
shifty, it is just them dam kids w/ there dam music, clothing and no respect for other attitude. 
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Shuffler on November 19, 2008, 03:43:36 PM
I think they are unhappy cause half their crack is showing.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Guppy35 on November 19, 2008, 03:45:39 PM
Yah, your memory is fading (takes one to know one).  It wasn't that there was no smack talk - any AW people who remember Slug and Homer and Brat and Subby, the list is almost endless, recall that the smack talk was profuse (maybe you Warbirds people were more refined) (but I doubt it).  The difference is that the smack talk was of a vastly higher quality than most of what we now see ("I am so IN!") ("Why don't you just go to the DA?") ("You a CHEATER!").  I put this down to the lower age of the current AH population.

At least, that's what I hope it is.

- oldman

The numbers were fewer, the personalities more distinct.  I don't know that the smack talk was more refined, there were just less of them trying to do it.  I thought it  was pointless then, and I still think it's pointless.  That doesn't mean it can't have it's place in the game but I think for the old timers, it kind of loses it's appeal, cleverness, originality etc.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on November 19, 2008, 03:50:52 PM
Thats why two weeks without a credit card is like opening your small town to tourism.

Sure some are there for the sights, while others could care less if they J walk,and far less care if they start a riot on the way out, if you get my drift.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Shifty on November 19, 2008, 06:14:54 PM
Daddog and Dan, I think both of you have pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I guess aging is for old people.  :aok
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: glock89 on November 19, 2008, 06:16:26 PM
shifty, it is just them dam kids w/ there dam music, clothing and no respect for other attitude. 
It true but most of them have ADD or some other crap.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: WWhiskey on November 19, 2008, 06:16:53 PM
I think they are unhappy cause half their crack is showing.

 :noid :noid darn plumbers :noid :noid
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 19, 2008, 07:24:50 PM
It true but most of them have ADD or some other crap.

The irony of your statement coming from someone that is part of the group that is being talked about.  I also see that you've got +20 post since yesterday when you hit 1973 posts.  Just 7 more my little squeaker and you'll hit 2000!  Where are you going to go to celebrate, Chucky Cheese?

Remember, chicks dig kids that pad their post count...


ack-ack
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: glock89 on November 19, 2008, 07:27:49 PM
The irony of your statement coming from someone that is part of the group that is being talked about.  I also see that you've got +20 post since yesterday when you hit 1973 posts.  Just 7 more my little squeaker and you'll hit 2000!  What are you going to go to celebrate, Chucky Cheese?

Remember, chicks dig kids that pad their post count...


ack-ack
Golly-geemit ack ack get what ever is out of your bellybutton and open your eyes up i think your the one here for your post count but yet you make fun of me because you got noting to do I'm sick and tired of every one here saying I'm just here for my post count but it really you are who give a damn about post count i don't but you do. Why? Tell me why please tell me i must know dose it get what ever it up your bellybutton out for once? Dose it get you women? Dose it get you a car? Tell me.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Shifty on November 19, 2008, 07:39:52 PM
 :lol As I was saying..........
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: glock89 on November 19, 2008, 07:40:33 PM
:lol As I was saying..........
Go on i didn't mean to flip sorry about that. :noid
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: RTR on November 19, 2008, 07:59:35 PM
Golly-geemit ack ack get what ever is out of your bellybutton and open your eyes up i think your the one here for your post count but yet you make fun of me because you got noting to do I'm sick and tired of every one here saying I'm just here for my post count but it really you are who give a damn about post count i don't but you do. Why? Tell me why please tell me i must know dose it get what ever it up your bellybutton out for once? Dose it get you women? Dose it get you a car? Tell me.

Hmmmm...lets do some math (I know it's hard, but bear with me here)

Ack Ack has about 9700 posts. It took him 6 years to get there. That's approximately 1600 posts per year (roughly 130 per month and change)

Glocksqueek has about 2000 posts. It took him 5 months to get there. That's approximately 400 posts per month. In six years at the current rate,
Glocksqueek is scheduled to hit 72,800 posts.

Third ( I know there was only one, but I'm padding my score here), what does "Dose" mean in the context you use.

And Fifthly (HA! I made a new word! yay me!),  IN.

RTR
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: glock89 on November 19, 2008, 08:00:41 PM
Hmmmm...lets do some math (I know it's hard, but bear with me here)

Ack Ack has about 9700 posts. It took him 6 years to get there. That's approximately 1600 posts per year (roughly 130 per month and change)

Glocksqueek has about 2000 posts. It took him 5 months to get there. That's approximately 400 posts per month. In six years at the current rate,
Glocksqueek is scheduled to hit 72,800 posts.

Third ( I know there was only one, but I'm padding my score here), what does "Dose" mean in the context you use.

And Fifthly (HA! I made a new word! yay me!),  IN.

RTR
And once again you care about your post count but i don't care how many post i make do you?
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: fudgums on November 19, 2008, 08:01:51 PM
And once again you care about your post count but i don't care how many post i make do you?

^^post 1998,

Im keeping a record of this
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Simaril on November 19, 2008, 08:02:33 PM
And once again you care about your post count but i don't care how many post i make do you?

Let me introduce you.

Punctuation, this is Glock. Glock, this is punctuation.

You two really ought to get acquainted!
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: glock89 on November 19, 2008, 08:04:19 PM
^^post 1998,

Im keeping a record of this
Go for it i need a new house. Not like you have noting better to do here just like me but god forbid i let my voice be heard and i know half of you are going to make fun of this toejam please do it make me laugh.  :lol
Let me introduce you.

Punctuation, this is Glock. Glock, this is punctuation.

You two really ought to get acquainted!
And once again is this school? I didn't know HTC made rules on how to write right and how to do this and that. Like i give a toejam about my spelling.
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: fudgums on November 19, 2008, 08:06:55 PM
Go for it i need a new house. Not like you have noting better to do here just like me but god forbid i let my voice be heard and i know half of you are going to make fun of this poop please do it make me laugh.  :lol And once again is this school? I didn't know HTC made rules on how to write right and how to do this and that. Like i give a poop about my spelling.

wtf I missed one, but whatever ^^post 2000 w000t

 and I only have to say a two letter word, cuz I know where this is going.

IN
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: glock89 on November 19, 2008, 08:08:08 PM
wtf I missed one, but whatever ^^post 2000 w000t

 and I only have to say a two letter word, cuz I know where this is going.

IN
No you think. Wow you are smart you are smarter then me keep going with the post count toejam no one cares just because you have noting to do but pick on a kid great job.  :aok
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: fudgums on November 19, 2008, 08:10:27 PM
No you think. Wow you are smart you are smarter then me keep going with the post count poop no one cares just because you have noting to do but pick on a kid great job.  :aok

skytiger2?

and yes I did miss one.

let me explain

^^post 1998,

Im keeping a record of this

then I said

wtf I missed one, but whatever ^^post 2000 w000t

 and I only have to say a two letter word, cuz I know where this is going.

IN

yep so I missed one. Let me find it
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Qrsu on November 19, 2008, 08:12:30 PM
Aaaaaand this is what Shifty was getting at. No threads are safe!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: fudgums on November 19, 2008, 08:13:15 PM
Aaaaaand this is what Shifty was getting at. No threads are safe!  :rolleyes:

yea, forget, me and glocks pitty fight.

Back to topic
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: RTR on November 19, 2008, 09:00:21 PM
Wow...no-one pounced on my math yet? What's up with that?

We need better schooling.

RTR
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: dentin on November 20, 2008, 09:52:15 AM
I blame the youth of today, dam those whipper snappers.  :furious

Blaming those "whipper snappers" is blaming the "symptom"...the blame should be directed to the cause which is, in MY opinion, the parents of the "whipper snappers"..IMNSHO.  :D
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: dentin on November 20, 2008, 10:01:06 AM
Daddog and Dan, I think both of you have pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I guess aging is for old people.  :aok


Perhaps "aging is for old people"..however, never forget "we're all just kids in grown-up bodies"...oh, one other note of interest" "youth is wasted on the young"  :)
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: CAV on November 20, 2008, 10:55:10 AM
I think the main reason we see this going on is the Flight sims community has lost it's way. Back in the day, in FR AW & WB  the community largely lived for the next scenario. The MA was just a place to kill time till the next historcal event, the game was more about the history of air combat and the next scenario's. We talked some smack back then, but in a nicer way.  :P Because that guy maybe your wingman in the upcoming scenario. In AW I never played any other sides besides B land, but most of my friends was Az or Cz, because of the events community.

Here in AH we have lost that..... the game has become about the Main arenas. Not about the historical events.

Cavalry
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Shane on November 20, 2008, 03:01:25 PM
I think the main reason we see this going on is the Flight sims community has lost it's way. Back in the day, in FR AW & WB  the community largely lived for the next scenario. The MA was just a place to kill time till the next historcal event, the game was more about the history of air combat and the next scenario's. We talked some smack back then, but in a nicer way.  :P Because that guy maybe your wingman in the upcoming scenario. In AW I never played any other sides besides B land, but most of my friends was Az or Cz, because of the events community.

Here in AH we have lost that..... the game has become about the Main arenas. Not about the historical events.

Cavalry


this is a fallacy for the most part.   they used to say "The arenas are just practice for scenarios."  it was just as meaningless then as it is now.

it sounds good, tho'.   :aok
Title: Re: On- Line Flight Sims and the BBS
Post by: Anaxogoras on November 20, 2008, 03:11:07 PM
I agree that there is less interest in scenarios in AH than there was in Warbirds in the late '90s.  I've met some people in AH who don't even like scenarios or FSO and say it's boring! :huh

That said, I remember a lot of flaming at agw, but it's another degree hotter here. :devil