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Title: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: lyric1 on November 20, 2008, 04:26:18 PM
This is not so much a wish but more of a a question to any one who knows how on earth did they hit targets with this set up?  http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/showphoto.php?photo=8689&cat=595
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Denholm on November 20, 2008, 04:39:54 PM
No clue, just a guess. Radio guided?
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: PFactorDave on November 20, 2008, 04:42:58 PM
I'm sure that was just a little ride along set up for the pilot's kid.  Toward the end of the war, the Luftwaffe was short on pilots and had to allow new recruits to bring their kids to work to attract new flyers.  :D
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Lusche on November 20, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9440/me262deichselsa9.jpg)

Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Motherland on November 20, 2008, 05:18:30 PM
No clue, just a guess. Radio guided?
That's what I was thinking, as well.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: lyric1 on November 20, 2008, 05:29:18 PM
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9440/me262deichselsa9.jpg)


Are they bombs mounted as well on the belly?
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Babalonian on November 20, 2008, 06:17:50 PM
Are they bombs mounted as well on the belly?

Nope, just the two engines and the rear landing gear is all I see in the first picture around where you'd expect to see bombs
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: transam1 on November 21, 2008, 07:05:23 AM
The History channel had footage of JU-88's launching wire guided anti ship missiles. Maybe its the same idea.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: lyric1 on November 21, 2008, 08:19:22 AM
Nope, just the two engines and the rear landing gear is all I see in the first picture around where you'd expect to see bombs
The two black tubes just behind the landing gear in between the engines.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: colmbo on November 21, 2008, 01:31:52 PM
It's just a bomb, they could aim like any other bomb.  You would know it's ballistic characteristics...release it at the right spot it goes where you want.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: LLogann on November 21, 2008, 01:40:25 PM
That looks like it could be a glider bomb........  Start high and far, begin a gradual decent, fix on target, gain a little more speed and release the cable.  Glider bomb wing design was to maintain the target vector only, no adjustments could be made and wind would ruin the chance of a good drop by most of what the Luftwaffe had left....   Then again........ That could be a fuel tank.  

262 bombing was done by the KG 54, but details are so few it is tough to know for sure how they were bombing.

The black tubes are probably R4M rockets, making the photo a 262 A-1a/R-1.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: avionix on November 21, 2008, 02:04:44 PM
I will go out on a limb here. 

Could it be a conventional bomb fitted with an aerodynamic wing to give some lift and then once on target, it would be dropped and the wing fall off and it acts conventionally again?

Sorry for the runon sentence.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Serenity on November 22, 2008, 03:08:05 AM
Then again........ That could be a fuel tank.

Ya know, thats just crazy enough to work! It would certainly extend the range of a 262 by at list a little bit... Any chances it IS a fuel tank?
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: chris3 on November 22, 2008, 05:02:18 AM
moin

This was only a test program to find a save way to use the 262 as an attacker because they were afraid about the high speed she get in a dive. it was only a glide bomb not radio teleguidet or cabel. this test program failed and lately they dissident to use the 262 like they were made for ...as a fighter. but there are many more test variants for the example the 262 with a glass nose for the bombgunner. or the interceptor variant with to mounted 163 engine's on the turbines...

cu chris3
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: macerxgp on November 22, 2008, 05:17:00 PM
I'm sure that was just a little ride along set up for the pilot's kid.  Toward the end of the war, the Luftwaffe was short on pilots and had to allow new recruits to bring their kids to work to attract new flyers.  :D
A kid, towed not 30 feet behind two jet engines?  :huh


I'm pretty sure that would scare away more recruits than it would attract. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: PFactorDave on November 22, 2008, 07:00:53 PM
A kid, towed not 30 feet behind two jet engines?  :huh


I'm pretty sure that would scare away more recruits than it would attract. :rolleyes:

Well I was attempting to create the image of this...

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/acctr03_du200.jpg)

And daycare services at the office...

Ah nevermind....
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: penut1 on November 23, 2008, 10:53:38 AM
lol that would be fun with 37mm`s
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: chris3 on November 23, 2008, 02:44:09 PM
moin

here are some other nice variants.
for ouer bomber pilots...
(http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/ListOfJets/img2/Me262.jpg)

for ouer higspeed junkis  :rock
(http://www.antaresmodels.com/IMAGES/Mvc-530f.jpg)

for the faster take off and climp
(http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/ato/pix/V186.jpg)


cu

Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: yodad585 on November 23, 2008, 03:06:53 PM
A kid, towed not 30 feet behind two jet engines?  :huh


I'm pretty sure that would scare away more recruits than it would attract. :rolleyes:
oh no it would attract damn good idea prolly didnt work. i would like to be getting shot at and being dragged around by a jet going 500 mph damn i wanna ride please. daddy i wanna go to war please
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Chalenge on November 23, 2008, 03:33:23 PM
That looks like it could be a glider bomb........  Start high and far, begin a gradual decent, fix on target, gain a little more speed and release the cable.  Glider bomb wing design was to maintain the target vector only, no adjustments could be made and wind would ruin the chance of a good drop by most of what the Luftwaffe had left....   Then again........ That could be a fuel tank.  

262 bombing was done by the KG 54, but details are so few it is tough to know for sure how they were bombing.

The black tubes are probably R4M rockets, making the photo a 262 A-1a/R-1.

No R4M mounts went on the wings. Id bet on special antenna for radio apparatus of some sort. No telling what they had in mind but certainly not R4Ms.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: P1Tiger on November 23, 2008, 10:45:31 PM
moin

here are some other nice variants.
for ouer bomber pilots...
(http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/ListOfJets/img2/Me262.jpg)

for ouer higspeed junkis  :rock
(http://www.antaresmodels.com/IMAGES/Mvc-530f.jpg)

for the faster take off and climp
(http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/ato/pix/V186.jpg)


cu


im sorry chris what what exaclty does 'moin' mean, its not annoying, well kinda, but i always see that on your posts?
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: P1Tiger on November 23, 2008, 10:47:18 PM
im going to tell you guys what my computer maintenance instructor told me "Its the only 6 letter word to use when you cant find the problem......... GOOGLE"
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: chris3 on November 24, 2008, 10:51:16 AM
moin

it is somethink like god morning, hello, god day....it is the northern German variant  ;).

cu chris3
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: frank3 on November 25, 2008, 05:31:25 AM
The 'bomb' trailing behind the 262 is actually a fuel-tank, I've seen an article about it in FlyPast. Only it was used by a He-172. The big hose confirms this, if it was a bomb, they'd probably use a thin wire instead.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: chris3 on November 25, 2008, 05:14:00 PM
moin

its not correct frank, it is definitive a bomb. one kind of bomb caring in the 262 bomber program.

cu chris3
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: frank3 on December 01, 2008, 06:02:57 AM
You're right, I didn't read the text on the link  :aok

'Shown here is a Me 262 A-1 Schwalbe taking-off with a 'Deiselschlep' 1,000 kg (2,205 lb) towed bomb. This was tested at Rechlin and was cleared for operational use just before the end of the war.'

Strange though, the article I read was from a He-177, which carried a fuel-tank looking just like it. I'll see if I can find the article and scan it in.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Odisseo on December 01, 2008, 09:07:15 AM
The 'bomb' trailing behind the 262 is actually a fuel-tank, I've seen an article about it in FlyPast. Only it was used by a He-172. The big hose confirms this, if it was a bomb, they'd probably use a thin wire instead.

Have you a far idea of what would happend if you manouver with something like 1 ton bomb wired on your tail? what about wind, termics ect.. wich would make such weight go everywhere changing your longitudinal dihedron? :) and above all with such thing wired on your 6 it's advisable to fly allways with 100% of power, if, for any reason, they had to slow down the bomb could caught up them :)

That's why IMHO it was not wired!

Saluti!
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: BaldEagl on December 01, 2008, 12:52:36 PM
It would be a beatch to chop throttle and have it plow into your six.   :eek:
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: frank3 on December 02, 2008, 05:38:31 AM
Wouldn't be a problem in the MA, where everyone flies at 100% throttle all the time  :D
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Chalenge on December 02, 2008, 09:16:36 AM
Wouldn't be a problem in the MA, where everyone flies at 100% throttle all the time  :D

Speak for yourself.
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Cipher92 on December 02, 2008, 07:48:11 PM
macer u jous dont get a joke when u see one do u :D :eek:
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Xasthur on December 03, 2008, 09:46:57 AM
moin

here are some other nice variants.
for ouer bomber pilots...
(http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/ListOfJets/img2/Me262.jpg)

for ouer higspeed junkis  :rock
(http://www.antaresmodels.com/IMAGES/Mvc-530f.jpg)

for the faster take off and climp
(http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/ato/pix/V186.jpg)


cu





for ouer higspeed junkis  :rock
(http://www.antaresmodels.com/IMAGES/Mvc-530f.jpg)

Ugly as a bucket of bums but looks lethal  :aok
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: frank3 on December 04, 2008, 06:09:39 AM
It looks like a regular 262, with fancy engines and a different tail, but what is it actually?
Title: Re: 262 with bomb in tow.
Post by: Denholm on December 04, 2008, 02:32:41 PM
I believe the discovery of the swept wing.