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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Staga on October 06, 2000, 04:16:00 PM
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Nice flying, Borg.
Did your oxygen last to the moon or did you just stay in earths orbit ?
IMHO B-17's already have "tuned" guns so wtf are these guys doing? If they afraid to "die" in AH maybe they should play solitaire instead.
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/borg.jpg)
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I'm sorry, is that 53,000 feet or is it 6:22?!?!?
Fury
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Uhm... Another thing.
Flying out of map is one of the most dweebish things I've ever seen here (after space buffs of course). Here's the spaceman coming back from nowhere.
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/borg2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Fury:
I'm sorry, is that 53,000 feet or is it 6:22?!?!?
Fury
altimeter reads for the 109 35,420 feet,
looks like the 17 is about 40k, since the 109
is nose up.
whels
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Those B-17 engines just doesn't overheat (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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omg, now I can't even read an altimiter anymore! 2 weeks off is too long, I gotta figure out how to get rid of the RL so I can play again.
Fury
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These ones are good "match-up" for 35k bombers. Would be nice to see them added to this game.
(http://www.unsere-luftwaffe.de/archiv/motoren/v1_1.jpg)
(http://www.unsere-luftwaffe.de/archiv/motoren/v2_2.jpg)
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I shot down BORG in his B-17 at 36k.
I got in my trusty P-38 which btw has a rated ceiling of 43k (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
it took most of my gas to get to borgs alt then i climbed a few thousand feet above. it took oh so many slashing passes to kill him but he did go down in flames and it was quite satisfying to watch his debri float 6.81 statute miles down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I ran out of gas 30 seconds after he went down in flames and coasted in and landed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
fyi: it takes p-38 about 18 minutes to get to 36k. with a 5k airstart it takes 16.5min for p38 to get to 36k it takes a buff over an hour to get that high even with a 5k airstart.
so you can get up to that buff and climb well above him but if you crawl up his 6 you will die fast anyways so slashing attacks from above can be conducted with impunity although aiming is hard at such very high true airspeeds
[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 10-12-2000).]
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altimeter reads for the 109 35,420 feet,
looks like the 17 is about 40k, since the 109
is nose up.
More like 36k. The buff is 1.4k yards away. In order for it to be at 40k at that range, he'd have to be directly over the 109.
Not that either is all that realistic. Could the gunners even function at these altitudes?
AKDejaVu
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Any experiences with P47? It has eight .50 cal and loads of ammo. Its performance chart looks also quite good. If u can just get it high enough, concentrated fire of those eight guns on critical parts (engines) should damage the spacefortress enough to bring it at least lower if not to the ground. I'll try this next weekend.
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Otso
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Osto,
The problem is staying around a B17 long enough to pour the ammo in with .50's. The guns on the B17 in AH all train together so you find yourself, regardless of angle of attack, with at least 4 guns pointed at you. A tail chase is pure suicide and to get alt above a bomber at 30K+ is tough, many of the planes here will lose in upwards of 5-7K/pass. Citabria used all the fuel in a P38 to get above one (according to his thread and I believe it). The B17 at that alt actually almost handles better than a fighter (amazing) in AH.
I'm not saying it can't be done with .50's at that alt, but it's sure tough. You'll have to be really patient and wait for the right opportunities.
Soda
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Alt Bombing accuracy should be reduced, IMHO.
Model wind effect on Bombs.
As said here lots of times.
Meanwhile, I can't blame a lone buff to go that high. Meat on the table otherwise.
Cheers,
Pepino.
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Yeah, I busted Borg at 34k once. He didn't even fire back. Claimed he was "browsing" at the time.
My guess is he came on, put it in a climb, alt-tabbed and found some good porn.
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Looks like a boring way to play the game. Forget him, what can he do, it'd take half the night to get to that alt.
more power to him, he has more patience and time than I do
Eagler
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35k B-17 does less bad than half dozen rides at 15k and bunch of osties and fighters there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I agree Fishu,
B17's just aren't that fearsome anymore, not because they can't shoot you down in a flash, but because they don't pack enough punch alone to do a whole lot. A single Ostie can lay waste to an entire field, a B17 can get at most 2 major hangers.
Lancs are a problem, those 14*1000lbs is enough to do serious damage, but then again, they tend to be lower in alt and easier to kill.
35K bombers is just insane but it's something that's been hash and re-hashed 100 times. Nothing makes a whole night feel good though like shooting down some weenie from 30K+ in a B17... I could care less if he gets me too, as long as he goes down. Spending that long climbing to alt must be a pisser when you still get shot down.
Soda
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I spent the time to climb up to a 30+k B17 over A2 yesterday...it took so long, I actually burned all of the fuel out of my Niki's drop tank. When I, and two of my squaddies, were almost within range he ripped off a wing...he said it was flak, but looked to me like he maneuvered it off. Anyhow, after all that, no fire, but he did bail (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I dove back down to 10k and killed his chute...he told me how uncool that was.
SOB
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I have one even better, SOB
I climbed up to catch someone the other day, took me all my fuel and half the map. He managed to drop his bombs on target but I knew I'd make it costly for him.. so he bailed before I could get close enough to land a shot.... no kill awarded... though he was another person who's parachute had small perferations that impeded it's operation....
And he called me a chute killer too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Soda
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Realism would support high alt buff missions. Realism doesn't support the accuracy of the buffs in AH. Current low drag bombs have a 6 mil circle of error. Bombing from 30,000 feet and higher means that your bombs would make a pattern based on that 6 mil error. The mathematicians that play AH can give accurate figures as to what this means if you are dropping from almost 6 miles (5.68 miles) away. This doesn't even take into account wind, it's direction or velocity at various altitudes effecting the bomb in it's trajectory. There is no doubt in my mind that hitting a hanger would be chancy at best. The older "fat" body bombs used in WW2 had a worse circle of error due to lesser streamlining. If the error was modeled, say above 20k alt there would be few if any space shuttles seen in AH.
Hitting an AAA emplacement from 30k using only one bomb is hardly realistic but does lend itself to game play. If enough complain about the unrealistic accuracy maybe it would be changed. I don't think it will as it would take buffs pretty much out of game play. This is definitely one example of a truly "uber" plane capability.
Mav
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 10-30-2000).]
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Relax everyone I have got your Strato-buff solution right here. I would give my left hand for one of these but then I wouldnt have anything to operate my throttle with (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
(http://www.samuel.cz/~tibor/images/me163/logo.jpg)
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I think Komet would ruin buff missions. IMO, it is fair and necessary to adjust accuracy in high level bombing to realistic levels (whatever they are, have no idea, but I guess bombing from 30K in WWII would not be as easy as it is in AH, if it was done at all), but definitely It's not fair to take off in a rocket, climb for 30 secs. and whipe out that buff with no fiter cover possible, given the speed of the thing. Of course HO fans will be glad with Komet -hey, it's always nice to switch from C-Hogs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (not intended to hurt the few good F4U drivers)-, but, again IMHO, as far as you don't model reliability issues (go blow yourself in the rnwy by some faulty rocket), Komet would be cool looking, but out of the question.
Cheers,
Pepino.
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What do you all suggest?
Maybe this guy should stay at 10k like I do?
I am successful on roughly 15% of my bombing missions. This meaning that I actually drop bombs on a target on approximately 1-2 out of 10 sorties.
Climbing to 20k the odds improve, but only slightly.
How do you propose that a player who likes to fly BUFF survive long enough to get some enjoyment out of their $30 per month?
Lets face it, BUFF's are easy to kill.
Players fly that high so they can survive the mission.
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Mino
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