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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: air_guard on October 09, 2000, 01:32:00 PM
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ive been suprised of the use of ostwinds lately and it looks like they being very hard to kill.
Im wondering if this is what this game is turning out to be: a tank battle sim ?.
with this osteys its being imposible to protect a base wich has got the vh destroyed and then 10 osteys surronding it.
specially when we are 19 against 46 nits.
Please put restrictions on the osties so they can be used as defence only.
Or put in the hurricane with 37mm guns that was used in the norht africa war.
or the stuka presicion dive bomber who also got 37mm guns in the eastfront.
we need somthing that can protect us from the osties.
airguard
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air_guard,
What you are looking for is the Il-2M3 Sturmovik.
It has either 2 23mm cannon or 2 37mm cannon and was nearly a flying tank. It was the premier anti-tank aircraft of WWII.
Please give us the Il-2M3 HTC. Please.
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 10-09-2000).]
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The biggest problem with the Ostie is not how tough it is, in fact if you strafe the turrent, even with .50's you will usually kill the gunner and disable the turret.
The problem is getting into a position in which you can effectively strafe it, without it shooting you down.
Its 37mm cannon is going to be a more stable, or effective, gunplatform than anything in the air, and I don't know of any single aircraft in the war that can take 37mm hits and survive.
Maybe heavy bombers, but they're even bigger targets, which means they will get hit sooner, and more times.
The only way I have found to effectively take out Osties is to pick them off from altitude with bombers , ala smart bombs style.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Use bombs and teamwork.
I don't see any problem with ostwinds if teamwork and bombs are used right, instead of everyone soloing for themself.
If you're not jabo, don't bother to mess up with tanks and then complain of ostwinds.
Like super hispanos aren't enough already for PZ-IVHs? (few hits and thats it)
I've strafed more Ostwinds than died for them.
If you go to strafe them, it has to be done with opportunity, not as head to head situation.
Also, you can use PZ-IVhs to effectively clear off those Ostwinds..
*WHINE WHINE WHINE* (http://www.kolumbus.fi/fishu/whineblow.gif)
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 10-09-2000).]
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In H2H practice I carpet bombed my roommate's Ostwind using a Lanc from about D1.0 above him. He hit me 2 or 3 times, but nothing untoward happend to my Lanc. The same can't be said for the poor Ostwind. Blew its whole area to kingdom come. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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Fishu lol yes i do whine about this and
im not flying around whining for everything like some others.
This concerns me.
it isnt easy to teamwork when we have 19 players in the room and one base is surronded with (i could count 8-10 osties) the nits then had over 40 players and could easyly use so much people in osties.
And for the panzer we had to drive half the map to get one there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I must be a terrible player since i only managed 1 so far with a fiter i tried tiffie,fu4c,niki, only thing worked so far was the lancaster lol.
And yes ive tried from above with high speed low speed, low alt attacks with a little turn .
It seems that i just cant hit the bugger right since its so easy to get it as u say.
And i tought a flak gun was a AA weapon not a basetaker, wich is whats happening now.
airguard
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DIVE BOMB the suckers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Tried it once today:
stsanta has 3 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Ju88 against the Ostwind.
Then there are the pesky panzers
stsanta has 3 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Ju88 against the Panzer IV H.
Too bad JU88 climbs so poorly; it is an excellent panzer plonker (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Verm, I've fired and hit with 30mms on more osties than I can count, without killing the gunner. Only twice have I been able to do so. Methinks they're pretty tough (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://www.angelfire.com/nt/regoch/sig.gif)
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
The biggest problem with the Ostie is not how tough it is, in fact if you strafe the turrent, even with .50's you will usually kill the gunner and disable the turret.
I think the damage model still needs a little looking at here, even after Pyro's challenge in the arena a week or 2 ago.
I have made as many as 3 passes on an ostwind while flying an F4U-1C and it's main gun was still shooting (usually gets me on 3rd pass when I'm too low on E to keep messin up his shots).
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air_guard,
What you are looking for is the Il-2M3 Sturmovik.
It has either 2 23mm cannon or 2 37mm cannon and was nearly a flying tank. It was the premier anti-tank aircraft of WWII
yes i think so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) it had 2 23mm cannons and did very well at the eastersfront ww2.
duhh that plane could take damage and still fly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
but it must be modeled right so its not used as a fiter, then we have whining again lol.
or like i said the special type hurricane who had 33mm cannons not 37 as i said eaerlyer on.
But the best way is maybe to lower the ostwind a little so it can be killed.
airguard
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air_guard, you got it wrong again. The Hurricane IID had twin 40mm Bofors cannons with 13 rounds each and a pair of .303s as aiming aids. A single 40mm round would really wreak havoc on an Ostwind. Probably detonate the 37mm ammo in the process too.
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000
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Originally posted by air_guard:
And yes ive tried from above with high speed low speed, low alt attacks with a little turn .
It seems that i just cant hit the bugger right since its so easy to get it as u say.
And i tought a flak gun was a AA weapon not a basetaker, wich is whats happening now.
Don't try to hit it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Some over confident (can i say idiot?) idiot who thinks his guns are still uber, really needs a new way for thinking with Ostwinds, which gun is bit bigger caliber (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So, I suggest not to do like idiots, just use bombs like smart guys..
If you feel lucky, you can go with guns blazing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yea.. Ostwind is quite uber basetaker which annoys me.
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LOL so the hurricane had 2 40mm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
yeah thats somthing isnt it ?
And fishu hehe ok agreee its idiotic to try
getting the ost with guns ive noticed lol.
AG
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The more usefull ground vehicles become in the game, the more us flyboys will be forced to respond to them.
In real war, the primary reason to have an air-force is to assist the ground forces.
Once u get good with a panzer, u can cut thru osties like butter.
Or grab somethink that carries 1000 pounders and dive bomb em. P38 is great for this due to its good climb rate when heavy. The Ju88 takes some more patience, but it sure is fun.
Anyway, i agree that we need Il-2s. It would tip the scales a little more towards the air war. Plus it would be loads of fun!
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Flakpansies aren't that hard to take out, but you do have to coordinate a little. Last night me and some other guys were strafing/bombing two osties that kept teleporting in within a few miles of A18, and were stupid/bored enough to keep coming back over and over. What we did (not that we'd talked it over before, but it happened that way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) was that one of us would go in to strafe. If he got fired on, he'd break off (or dive suicidally in and get killed in some cases (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) and the others would hit from the other side. Worked real well as far as I could tell (got 10 kills in one sortie with the Chog, refuelling twice).
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Rickenbacker (Ricken)
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the Independent Swedish Air Force
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HI
Why not model a gun crew in the ostwind so they can at least be wounded and black out a bit like it happends in fighters. Or maybe even model concussion effect on the crew when bombs go off near by. It seems only direct hits kill now, but wouldnt u think a 1k bomb going off a few yards away would mess up your day?
thanks GRUNHERZ
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rickenbacker, just 10 ost kills?
Uber hog.
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Use a verticle attack and don't come straight in. Manuver slightly on the way down, power off.
Aim for the turret and try to kill the gun. You don't have to kill the tank, only the gun. Then its G2A engagement capability is finnished.
If you have drunks on the ground or close by you will need to kill the tank as well. This is due to the co-axial MG. At least it will not be shooting back at you.
Personally, I like the added element of a more intense ground war.
Good Luck! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble
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Um....we already have an Ostwind killer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
TOD 8:
MrLars has 43 kills and has been killed 5 times in the Panzer IV H against
the Ostwind.
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Originally posted by MrLars:
Um....we already have an Ostwind killer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
TOD 8:
MrLars has 43 kills and has been killed 5 times in the Panzer IV H against
the Ostwind.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.
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The problem is there weren't that many Ostwinds built or fielded in the whole war to even make this an issue worth discussing.
This is what happens when "kewl" factor is more important than representativeness with regards to plane/vehicle modeling choice.
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The point isnt that there is nothing that can kill an ostwind. Its that the whole game revolves now around the ostwind.
That is just silly.
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ostwind or c hog or niki or spit , same actualy the ostwind isthe thing what scare me at less
The Ostwind has 4 kills and has been killed 85 times against minus in the Panzer IV H.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we are attacking a flakpanzer it's whole purpose in life was to do what it is doing in the game ,and ground ponders suffered a heavy lose rate historically,so did I last night against ostwinds attacking my base but I was being stupid and not diving on them and I was heavily outnumbered, but I knew this I was merely trying to thwart a concentrated attack. I guess the moral to the story is if U are outnumbered and desperate to defend U will do dumb thing's and the math will catch up with U.
I think the ostwind is fine a good addation to the game it is, besides I have Sean many a tank column vanish that was protected by ostwinds from a determined air asault. they can be killed once we all get over the lurning curve.
Brady
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My only issue with them is how close they spawn to your bases !
Hell if you wanna drive em great but at least have to suffer a few minutes driving before you even see the base.
Btw .50s do very well against the Osty if you attack correctly.