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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: F4UDOA on January 24, 2001, 10:38:00 AM
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Yes indeed gents,
I have just signed up here
http://www.aircombatusa.com/ (http://www.aircombatusa.com/)
for my once in a life time adventure.
Has anyone else done this? I hope I don't yak all over the console.
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Eat banana's for breakfast, they go down easy, they come up easy...don't make the mistake of NOT eating, or you'll really be in trouble.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Eat banana's for breakfast, they go down easy, they come up easy...don't make the mistake of NOT eating, or you'll really be in trouble.
good remark rip (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And the taste rest in the mouth after the come up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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You done it before Rip?
I can't wait, but I don't want to loose. I think I'll have a light breakfast and some strong coffee and half a dozen motion sickness pills.
I've got 16 hours in logged in single engine A/C and one aerobatics ride in a glider. But this will be over the top.
I will probably keep trying to twist the control stick(yoke) with my hands to use the rudder, hehe. Where's my hat switch? Is this a C-hog or a D-hog? Rip, Vosper, Blitz, SAW? help, check 6!!!!
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Haven't done it with AircombatUSA, but have had many hours in aerobatics with my dad...he used to get a kick outta making me sick. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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@ work so, I can't read it all !
3 Question
-how mucho $ ??
-How can someone who has never flown before(as it is said on the site), err. fly a plane , let alone play with it ?
-Do you still have room in your suitcase ??? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I want I want I want .... !!!
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MASS/SAW
click HERE (http://eismeer.port5.com/) for info on III./JG 5 Eismeer --->> (http://saintaw.tripod.com/fw190fp.gif) (http://eismeer.port5.com/)
"kindergarden must be closed... all those little girls running around screaming..."
-Fd ski
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be sure to take pictures, yak and all..
you lucky dog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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I haven't done it yet, but is something I am telling my wife I want for B-Day this summer. On discovery channel the did a special once on "top 100 wild rides". Most of them were roller coasters, but the number one wildest ride they covered was this aircombatusa. Ever since I saw the show I have wanted to do it, and I even live in CA
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Have about 12 hours with FP USA, It is the most fun ive ever had in a airplane. You will love it.
On the eating subject I always got some greasy MacDonalds stuff . And if you know the guy your going to fight, ill show you how to do a 12 hour lead turn.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech:
On the eating subject I always got some greasy MacDonalds stuff .
HiTech
This made me laugh, I once ate (2) Egg McMuffins with extra cheese, and 2 cans of Mountain Dew prior to a day with with my step-father, who was a flying game warden with the D.N.R. of Minnesota...we dropped into a lake to do alittle fishing (Pontoon 182) but hit some turbulance prior to landing...after landing I ralphed up all my breakfast, it soon became 'chum' as the fish were all over the area of the floats where I puked, fishing was good needless to say!
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Originally posted by F4UDOA:
I can't wait, but I don't want to loose. I think I'll have a light breakfast and some strong coffee and half a dozen motion sickness pills.
I've never done the plane ride thing but I do a lot of ocean fishing.
Trust me: DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN THE RECOMMENDED DOSE OF MOTION SICKNESS PILLS!
If it's the regular Dramamine, that many will simply cause you to pass out asleep..I'm not kidding; even with coffeee and excitement, you'll simply fall asleep in the cockpit...the drowsiness power of those things are beyond comprehension; they mainly work by making you so tired you don't notice you're nauseous.
If you take the Bonine (the stuff that lasts 24 hours) anything more than 1-2 pills is going to basically make you insane. I was incredibly irritable and had severe visual blurriness, almost hallucinations, after I took 2 and then another 1 4-5 hours later on an especially rough day.
And my understanding is that with them even limited overdosing quickly gets to dangerous levels with any motion sickness medication.
Just take 1-2 of whatever form of pill you get, just like it says on the package.
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ROFLMAO Rip! I'll remember that this summer, when I go fishing in my floatplane <evil grin>. I'll take my passenger to breakfast at the local 'greasy spoon', hit an unsuspected 'sinker' on final hehe, and see if these Alaskan fish 'take the bait'....damn that was funny Rip!
Someday I'm gonna do one of those combat places, but would like to get some actual aerobatic training first......someday (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Good Luck F4UDOA!! And don't forget the pics.
ts
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If you;re really rich they have a fantasy vacation in Moscow. Anyway, I think it was:
http://www.incredible-adventures.com (http://www.incredible-adventures.com)
I think the Chino offering is a great buy, too! They let you trade flights for rides in WWII types like the F4U. Check it out!
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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You guys kill me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Have lotsa fun. Just don't HO.
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If you are the one doing the flying, you should not suffer from motion-sickness at all. Just do not let the instructor show you the maneuvers. That is where you get really sick.
Post you impressions later.
Visibility vs PC (how close do you estimate the distance, far can you discern attitude, etc.)
G-effects - how easy could you function, communicate and control the plane while completely blacked out (at least you should). How quick does vision come back after complete blackout for a couple of seconds.
miko
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Tell us how badly the planes are modeled and if they are HO dweebs. Tell them you want a chog. LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I hate you for going before I have had the chance. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I'm jealous and I'm going home. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Have fun man! You will no doubt tell us all about it I hope!
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Yes I will take pictures and share my manhood or lack there of with you all. In fact they video you when your flying and give it to you at the end. I will try to convert pieces of it and post it. Should be a riot.
SAW,
It's $900 banana's(dollars) for 4 hours of ground school and 6 dogfights. And no you don't need any experience to do it. Your sitting side by side with a military combat pilot in a Marchetti 260 fighter trainer. I really whish I could do it against another AH guy. It would make an interesting study.
Thanks for the info on the motion sickness pills BTW. I will take 1 at the most then.
I forgot about the HO's. Going to have use a different merge tactic I guess.
The think I wonder about the most is how real the maneuvers are in AH compared to an actual dogfight? How much rudder is needed for a coordinated turn, roll, bank etc. How hard can you pull before an accelerated stall? What do the G's feel like? I will definitely put together a long post when I get back. Hope I don't loose though.
Hitech,
These guy's travel around the country to different locations and even do corporate groups and probably reduced rates. Can we get then at the next AH Con?? It would be awesome to have them speak about ACM and then fly it.
I'm flying 17Feb. at 9:30AM so if anyone wants the reservation to fly against me I'm sure it's still open.
BTW, Eagler. Aren't you an active duty pilot??
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Originally posted by Jimdandy:
Tell us how badly the planes are modeled and if they are HO dweebs. Tell them you want a chog. LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I hate you for going before I have had the chance. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I'm jealous and I'm going home. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Have fun man! You will no doubt tell us all about it I hope!
The laser armament they use there are modeled after the AH Hispano. You do not need to lead your target and a single ping will cause smoke to immediately belch from the plane. They are one ping wonders (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Some of us at HTC are gonna try to do that this summer.
Have Fun!!!!!!!!
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Nathan "NATEDOG" Mathieu
Art Director
HiTech Creations
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".... And on the eighth day, God created beer. "
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Originally posted by NATEDOG:
Some of us at HTC are gonna try to do that this summer.
Have Fun!!!!!!!!
They got a booster seat for someone like, say, Superfly? <G,D,R> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'd just like to say that I have never gotton carsick, airsick or seasick in my entire life.
Last time I went home to Britain (mid dec'00) the sea was slightly rough (bout a 15ft swell)......800 people on the ferry, 600 of which were puking. WTF were these pillocks going on a ferry in December if you get seasick?
F4UDOA, I seriously jealous.....but just remember, if you puke up carrots......they aint carrots, they're bits of stomach lining. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Swoop
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BTW, Eagler. Aren't you an active duty pilot??
Maybe confusing him with Eagl? I know Eagl flies F-15's for the USAF.
AKDejaVu
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I did something similar earlier this year down in Florida except that plane was the T-6 Texan.
You will notice the G effect more than anything.
The visual ques from the cockpit are another thing but with the Macci (sp?) you and the instructor sit side by side rather than tandem in the T-6.
You will have a blast.
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Milo
3./JG2
"Swager's Angels"
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Also check out Warbird Adventures if down in Florida... they'll be in New York and Rhode Island this summer.
www.warbirdadventures.com (http://www.warbirdadventures.com)
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I did it at Air Combat's Fullerton operation back in July of "98, and it was an absolute hoot (got to fly against an aspiring instructor pilot, too). They'll give you an excellent condensed briefing on ACM (I suggest you let them know you already know the basics, they'll accellerate it a little). Then you fly out to the practice area (in SoCal it's over the Catalina channel, about 15 minutes from the airport). The flight will let you get use to the controls and maybe do a little light acro once you get to the practice area.
My instructor pilot, a former Luftwaffe F4 recon pilot callsign Baron, was a GREAT coach, and we did all 6 fights in the vertical. He REALLY knew his stuff (including anticipating the E-state of the opposing plane in a way that seemed supernatural)and was a great coach (he never touched the controls). He also seemed pleased (if a bit nonplussed) when I yelled "Horrido" over the radio, hehe.
One hint: being real fighter jocks who are used to dealing with ejection seats etc. the ACUSA pilots seem to have a tendency to look back over their shoulders, even when going vertical. I guess the ejection seats prevent you from just tilting your head straight back, like I'm used to as an acro pilot. I think tilting your head straight back and looking up over the tail of the plane (like AH hi-6 view) gives you a better field of view when going vertical after the merge.
All in all it was one of the great experiences of my life, and I look at the tape of it whenever I need a pick-me-up. If Baron or Loopy (he was the aspiring instructor who was my opponent- former A10 driver)are there, say "hi" for me (and remind Loopy about the former tanker who ruined his whole day back in July of '98).
ENJOY!
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Couple things I forgot to mention:
1. They really suggest you not use rudder at all (i.e. no "hosing" the guns).
2. The Saia Marchetti is VERY sensitive on the controls, particularly in pitch (kind of like a 190 w/ PMS). Fly with your wrist and don't horse it or you'll be in buffett real quick.
3. There are no front quarter shots allowed and basically everything is from about 20 degrees off the dead six, so you don't have to really worry about deflection.
4. REMEMBER: the camera is running (hehehe)
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For anyone interested. The Collings Foundation has a B-17 and a B-24 they tour the country with. You can ride in them for about $300 (That's what it cost 3yrs ago). At the time when I did it they would let you fly it for 15min for $500. I heard that they wont let people fly it any more. I'm not sure about that. It's not as exciting as dog fights but it was fun.
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F4
You are sooooo lucky and I am soooo jealous. A few years back, Fighter Ace sponsored a two-on-two competition and the #1 and #2 teams went to Chicago for some real dogfighting through this company. I live near Chicago so I drove down to watch.
Every one of these people had a blast (one did get sick). I got to be up close and personal; just didn't get into the planes. Got to watch the videos afterwards.
This "as-close-to-the-real-thing-as-you-can-get" adventure is nothing like our nightly adventures. You really do dogfight, and find out soon what your plane can and can't do -- for real. The first pass is the most critical, trying to jockey for position, since a lot of the fights turned quickly into a tnb and with even planes, one mistake costs you everything.
Did I say I was jealous? If I had the $$ I would be there in a second.
Fury
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F4UDOA said:
>Thanks for the info on the motion sickness pills BTW. I will take 1 at the most then.
For a different motion sickness aid look at:
http://www.transdermscop.com/ (http://www.transdermscop.com/)
I have used them on dive boats to keep fish feeding to a minimum. Worked for me with only
a bit of "dry mouth" as a side effect. My wife has REAL motion sickness problems, and
she could eat a dive boat hamburger in the cabin without talking to the Porcelain God
Ralph :-)
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M.C.202
Dino in Reno
[This message has been edited by M.C.202 (edited 01-24-2001).]
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F4UDOA said:
>Thanks for the info on the motion sickness pills BTW. I will take 1 at the most then.
For a different motion sickness aid look at:
http://www.transdermscop.com/ (http://www.transdermscop.com/)
I have used them on dive boats to keep fish feeding to a minimum. Worked for me with only
a bit of "dry mouth" as a side effect. My wife has REAL motion sickness problems, and
she could eat a dive boat hamberger in the cabin without talking to the Porcelain God
Ralph :-)
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M.C.202
Dino in Reno
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Good Luck F4UDOA, and I hope you have a good time.
I did the Warbirds Adventures thing down in FL, and it was great. In fact, some of the pictures from my flight are used on their website! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
May I reccommend dramamine? The funny part is that I didn't start too feel queazy until we landed and THATS when I felt a little green, but never very bad or to the point of throwing up.
Its great and well worth the money.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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the patches for behind the ear work Great for motion sickness. Your mouth will be dry though, Good Luck
BigGun aka BgMAW
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I'm the USAF pilot, Eagler is that other guy. I don't know his background. When the idents went from 4 to 6 letters in WB, I quit even trying to duel everyone for the callsign rights (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I won a few in WB, but there's a whole bunch of "eagle" idents now in both games. I kept "eagl" to let people know which one was the one from early WB.
More on topic, F4UDOA you're gonna love the flying! I've heard time after time that guys who fly WB and AH (and maybe some other sims) tend to be able to grasp the basics a whole lot faster, so the fight setups can progress to more advanced tactics more quickly. The ideas of energy (speed AND altitude) versus angles (where's yer nose pointed) apply, and you just have to be a little more careful not to pull too hard, get the nose pointed down too far too low, or get going too fast since it's real life and you can't replane if you auger. Don't worry, the instructors will help you out with that since it's their butt too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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You are about to have a blast. Me and scop dueled each other in T-34s at the WB con in Houston. We had about 4 hours of sleep (compliance of the 12 hours bottle to throttle rule was out the window). We woke up at 8am with overcast skies. Feeling tired and hungover we were hoping that we wouldn't have to fight in IFR conditions, so we could be in better shape the next day. Don't call two F4 phantom Vietnam Vets and ask "Are we going to fly in this?"
Grabbing Egg mcmuffins(seeing a trend here) and coffee we made our way to one hell of a time. Scop did try to headon me when I came down out of my hammerhead. Scop even says it on the tape "I'm going to Ram Him!" Then you hear a calm voice saying "I wouldn't mind it, if I didn't own the planes."
Just to make you nervous (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) We approached the field and decided to do another 6g loop(you will get addicted to pulling Gs). We pulled them, and while getting ready to circuit the field we noticed Scop's plane drifting out of formation. We couldn't hail them on the radio, and they didn't look too concerned about getting back into form. After catching up with his T34, the 2 vets started giving hand signals to each other. After completing their message(impressive to watch) Butter, tells me that they had lost electrical power during the 6g loop. I look up and see Scop's head bouncing up and down franticly. Then out the buttom the wheels slowly cranked down into a lock position. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Have a blast...It brings back a lot of memories.
Drex
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A couple more things...
When you look through the gun site you will feel right at home. After the first fight they let us do everything ourselves (Quote " toejam, these guys know their stuff") You will appreciate what you have learned in AH. The geometry will feel very natural to you.
I did make one mistake during the fight. Do not lead your shots! It is amazing that we have programmed that into our heads, but to my dismay...Lasers do not drop like bullets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Drex
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Maybe confusing him with Eagl? I know Eagl flies F-15's for the USAF.
AKDejaVu
Yep, that's eagl, I'm the other guy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Did pull some kind of g's once in a cessna (by accident) and a couple in a glider (as a passenger of an aerobatic pilot). They do feel weird, sort of like an instant drunk. But it passed quickly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
good luck with adventure
Eagler
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Sorry Eagler for getting you confused. Didn't forget who you were, just your occupation.
Thanks for the info Eagl. Do you ever wake up in the morning and think "Gee, I wish I could sell insurance today"? No, didn't think so.
Drex, I was hoping someone would say that. If the same rules apply in RL ACM as AH I should be OK. Hopefully I'll be up against someone with less experience than me. I'll remember the part about not leading the target.
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F4UDOA,
I recommend the patch or the wrist band for motion sickness. Look in some flying magazines for the electric wrist band. It is disposable and is claimed to work as well as the patch. I recommend against the Dramamine due to the sleepy factor. The last thing you will want to be is sleepy and not really on the ball for this. You are spending WAY too much to be sleeping through it. In any case go for what is least side effect producing and have a ball.
Mav
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Hey F4...
I did this couple years ago in Norwood, MA. It was totally awesome! THE BEST time I have EVER had that didn't involve women.
Anyway, there is something you should ask, maybe in advance if you are not doing this in Fullerton, CA (Their home base)....
The travel planes I flew did not have smoke working, the "audible" gunfire sounds, nor the so-called laser aiming and attack. None the less, it was realy fun but it took away (just a smidge) when the pilot had to cal lthe hit or not...
I did the 2 flight package that was supposed to get me a set of wings... I still haven't received them, even after writing a letter to them asking where it was.
I highly suggest doing this to EVERYONE who like to fly in a combat sim. My wife said the smile on my face almost touched on the back of my neck (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) LOVED IT!!!!
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
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GO GETEM TIGER! Go light on breakfast, coffee with lotsa sugar. One thing probably unknown to you, high Gs are very very tiring to people not acclimated to them. Half of a 'nana at most. Both of those are going to refuel you pretty quick. Make sure you give us all a holler the day after and let us know if you are sore. I dont know how much they let you yank those things around. I had a great time in aces high with you last night!
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Back when I was a 'real fighter pilot', breakfast consisted of a cup of coffee, a cigarette, and a good puke. Aspirin was optional.
Andy
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LOL Andy Sounds like a line from "The Right Stuff" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
F4U from personal experience i can tell you you don't want ANYTHING THAT HAS EVEN CLOSE RESEMBLANCE WITH MILK (!!!!!) in your breakfast (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) -> produces an extremely repulsive odor in a hot cockpit when reverse eaten ..
No get some light eating, nothing that will disturb your stomace (coffee does that to me for example..)
Keep your eyes INTO the turn, don't bob your head around real fast while pushing negative. Oh and try not to concentrate on cockpitframes etc.. if you start feeling sick call it a day .. it won't go away (at least for a while)
DW6
HAVE FUN (man do i envy you !)
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Sounds like it's going to be a blast! My tips learned from acro flying are as follows.
1) a little plain oatmeal (quaker oats with hot water) to absorb the acid in your stomach. Should reduce nausia.
2) Get plenty of sleep.
3) Try not to piss your pants with excitement! It's going to be a scream! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
CJ
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I've done this 3 times so far, not with AirCombat USA, but with a local outfit called SkyFighters. They use the T34A Mentor, so the pilot is in the back.
I've gotten motion sickness other places, so I'm not immune to it, but I never got it any of the times I flew. I think it may be like driving - if you're flying, you don't get sick, but if someone else is, you might. Anyway, they gave me two of those little wristband things which have plastic buttons on them. They put pressure on a particular point on your wrist. I don't know if they worked or not, but I never even got queasy, much less sick.
I'd say skip the Dramamine, and eat what you're hungry for. If you're hungry at all. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW, they won't be stunned if you do puke. They're prepared for it - they have barf bags in the cockpit. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
One thing they advised me was - drink lots of water so you're properly hydrated. I didn't know this, but they told me your ability to withstand G's can be cut in half if you're dehydrated.
It is without a doubt the most fun thing you can do clothed. If you've been flying long, you'll be very surprised how "at home" you feel once the combat starts. It looks just like you thought it would look, and everything works about the same. In fact, the planes are easier to control than the ones here - I never touched the trim once I set it where the pilot told me, and only touched the pedals a couple of times. I asked him about the rudder, and he said basically, use it or don't, whatever you want, it's really only useful in landing. Or something to that effect.
The G's are one thing that will be surprising. We pulled a peak of 4.5 g's my last flight, and if I hadn't known better, I'd have thought it was closer to 7. Even 3 g's feels like a ton, especially if it's sustained. I never felt like I was in danger of passing out, nor did I get tunnel vision, but one of my opponents told me he "went to sleep" for a few seconds at the bottom of a hard yo-yo.
As for stalls, in the T34A, you get a very noticeable shaking in the stick - and as I recall, the entire airplane - when you are at the edge of the flight envelope. The first time I heard it, I thought uh oh, I've broken something. It was explained to me that the plane was designed to do that when you got close to the edge, and it was basically just a warning that you were about to put more AOA on the plane than was efficient.
I stalled out twice, once during a fight (which caused me to lose that fight by going below the hard deck), and again trying to follow the other plane through an Immelman. In both cases, once I got off the controls, the plane went nose down and started flying again. The stall at the top of the Immelman was the best, because I knew that it was going to happen. As we hung there, weightless, not flying anymore, and the plane began a mild tumble back to the nose-down position, the pilot in the back said on the radio "Oh baby, ya gotta love this!". And he was right. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vertigo (-vert-)
CO, The Haze (http://www.rhinobytes.com/haze/)
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Originally posted by Jimdandy:
For anyone interested. The Collings Foundation has a B-17 and a B-24 they tour the country with. You can ride in them for about $300 (That's what it cost 3yrs ago). At the time when I did it they would let you fly it for 15min for $500. I heard that they wont let people fly it any more. I'm not sure about that. It's not as exciting as dog fights but it was fun.
No Jim they will not let you fly it any longer. You get a half hour for $300 bucks though and it is worth it to hear those big engines run up. I had a blast here in Alabama last summer when they brought it in.
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Oh man, you guys are killin' me...
Some day Mk, some day son... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mk
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I've done ACUSA a total of 3 times now.
The marchetti's are a blast to fly. Very responsive, lots of feedback when you enter an accelerated stall (or get close to it), and will spin REALLY fast if you get into a low speed stall.
Eat a light breakfast, and maybe a little ginger before you go up (I've gotten sick once, nauseous once, and the third time I was totally fine. Go figure.)
Amazing but true, these silly little computer games really help you in the real thing. Each time the instructors were very impressed with us (I did it with a couple of buddies who also fly multiplayer air sims)
You will not be prepared for 2 things:
The Gs. It's one thing to pull 6 Gs in a sim. It's quite another to try and track your opponent with your head in a 4.5 G turn, while steering your plane, 'grunting' and enyoing a loss of hearing & color vision.
Spotting you opponent. If he gets on your 6 you're going to have a hard time steering the plane, keeping him in sight and evading. If you ever loose sight of your opponent you'll be lucky to survive that fight.
As a final note, there's one dangerous side effect of this. You *will* annoy your friends for a long time to come due to uncontrollable babbling about HOW AMAZINGLY COOL IT WAS!
~Lemur
p.s. When doing this, Head On shots are a very bad idea (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Voss:
If you;re really rich they have a fantasy vacation in Moscow. Anyway, I think it was:
http://www.incredible-adventures.com (http://www.incredible-adventures.com)
I think the Chino offering is a great buy, too! They let you trade flights for rides in WWII types like the F4U. Check it out!
Voss 13th T.A.S.
For all the posts no one seems to have noticed this one. A 3-day 3-flight package in the T-33 dual control trainer for $5,000. In order to trade flights for all of the warbirds they have would take $10,000. The WWII planes represented are the P-51, P-47, P-40, F4U, and the SBD Dauntless. Limited stick time though. Too rich for my blood!
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Eat banana's for breakfast, they go down easy, they come up easy...don't make the mistake of NOT eating, or you'll really be in trouble.
He he he. I flew with AirCombat USA last summer when I was in LA. I had a *very* light breakfast that consisted of one coffee, a muffin, and half a pill to combat nausea without making me sleepy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Threw up three times in the plane, and once in the rental car on the way back. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Happily, my opponent did too, and we ended up with a draw because we each shot the other one down once when he let go of the controls to reach for the sick bag. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Cheers,
phaetn