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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on November 25, 2008, 11:15:55 AM
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Looking for a home defense gun, I like 1911s and seems the Springfield is a good all cheap "garbage gun". Best cost/reliability.
Seems like the "Mil Spec" would do the job. Don't need all the fancy stuff from the other models, I like the look of the "GI" better, but the flared/extended ejection port is a plus I think.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?clicktype=1911 (http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?clicktype=1911)
I know some of you swear by others brands, what do you think?
I'm also looking for one to go with my concealed licence to run around town, what do you use? 9? 40? 45? Brand?
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this is what I carry. Have had it for a couple years now and it has never had any problems. I used to put about 100 rounds every couple weeks through it, but since money got tight I havent shot it at all. Lightweight and accurate. Put a lazer on the tac rail and still fits nicely in my sholder rig.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=34904&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=34904&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y)
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What did you use to get your license?
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Hiya Frenchy,
I'm a 1911 enthusiast, too. I have 3, including a S&W Custom. Nice guns always.
One thing I always ask people when they ask me about home defense pistols is who might shoot it. If the answer includes a wife / spouse who is not an avid shooter, I'd say the 1911 is the wrong gun. Someone not very familiar with a 1911 remembering to either a) cock the hammer or b) take it off safe while in a crisis situation is iffy. While I love my 1911s and shoot them every week, it's a revolver in the nightstand because I'm sure my wife can remember to pull the trigger and there's no slide coming back to startle her.
Regards,
Hammer
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A wise choice. You can NOT go wrong with a M1911A1. Period. Old Slabsides has been around nearly 100 years and has served it's country well. Such a simple design, easy to completely disassemble and a dream to find upgrade parts for. You can throw it in a mudhole, pull it out 2 months later, pound nails in the wall with it and WILL put rounds downrange when you pull that trigger.
Springfield makes an EXCELLENT M1911A1. No question. If you can get one. Alot of places cannot get them as they are flying off of the shelves as fast as they come in (at least around here).
I just bought a matched pair of Charles Daly M1911A1s. A fine weapon IMO. Several hundred rounds so far without a single failure and they hold a tight group. Both hold a 4 inch pattern at 50 ft.
(http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/81418.jpg)
And yes, get the .45ACP. There will always be .45 ammo to be found. It's not the biggest or the fastest caliber, but it's a large chunk of lead that has proven itself in combat time and time again.
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Springfield makes a decent gun at a reasonable price.
I like the old slabsides in .45 but it has a bit of a concern for me for carry. I am very familiar with it and really don't have a problem carrying it cocked and locked but that's because of the amount of practice I have with it. I used to carry an Officers Model which was fairly easy to conceal but a bit heavy. For a concealed carry gun I prefer to have one without an exposed hammer and one that is not already cocked. That's because the hammer can wear the clothing a bit and if you are not careful the safety may be deactivated by either moving around of while concealing it. I just prefer a handgun that isn't cocked.
My preference would be for one of the compact Glocks like the 19 (9mm) or the 23 (40S&W). The same size model on .45 is also nice but I forgot it's model designator. The subcontacts like the 26 (9mm) and the 27 (.40) are easier to conceal but harder to shoot accurately. They still give a decent ammo capacity, 10 and 9 respectively but not as much as the compact models do. I carried the 19 both on and off duty for several years and had no trouble qualifying with it with a max or almost max score each time.
I don't care for the Ruger models as they don't shoot well for me. The S&W versions of a Glock seem to be pretty nice but I haven't fired one yet.
The caliber depends on you. I'd go with a 9 as a minimum. It depends on how well and how much you are going to shoot. The 9 is cheapest ammo cost so you can afford to practice more. The .40 and .45 have a bit more recoil so those will depend on your tolerance for it to determine how well you shoot them. If you can't hit with it any caliber won't do you any good. You have to put the bullet in the proper place to be able to depend on it.
If you are not going to practice much I'd recommend a revolver. Something like a 60 series S&W in either .38 or .357 will work. You can always shoot .38's in the magnum for practice or carry. I like the 66 as it's small enough to carry well and still has enough mass to shoot comfortably. The airweights and ultra light pistols will carry comfortably but are harder and less comfortable to shoot accurately. If you don't practice enough to hit the target you are better off not carrying at all so make sure you can shoot well whatever you want to carry.
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Shuffler, for the licence was a 357 for the revolver, and some 9mm for the semi. In the military I had a Berreta 9mm since I was an officer.
Hammer, good point about the girls. I did a try out with my 14 year old daughter, we went to shoot the little 22 Ruger, some 9mm, a glock 45 and the Springfield 1911. She did very well with the 45, she wasn't untimidated by the recoil at all, and liked the skiny grip of it as well as how the gun sits due to the beaver tail. Even if heavier, she liked the equilibrium due to the 5" barrel. I love this gun for the same reason, always felt great despite the size. My wife hasn't tried it yet, but she's a massage therapist and a work out freack, I'm not worried. We are planing on going to the range at least once a month, I'm pretty confident they'll remember the cocking part. As money permit I think you have a good point, might end up with some type of revolver under the pilow.
Maverick, good stuff there, I'll keep that in mind. I'm very comfortable shooting any size semi, never really practice with revolvers such 38s 357s 44s. I don't like light guns either. Anyway, as a concealed for a night out safety, I really doubt I'll engage myself in some kind of long range movie shoot out. I really hope that 'll be able to walk my way out of any bad spot as I always did, if I have to pull my gun out chances are that it's the last ressort and "Mister scary" will be right in front of me, where you can't miss. I'm not a police officer that might have to go for trouble and doing so might expect more from their firearm, I just need to "go away".
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I asked because if you tested with a wheel gun then you can't carry a semi. If you tested with a semi you can carry either.
I agree with the 9mm being minimal. I have a XD45 for myself and a XD40 for the wife. I like the feel of the XD over the Glock. More point n shoot as opposed to the Glock feels off angle. To each his own. In any case safety is the most important.
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A Sringfield 1911 is good and all, but the sound of a shotgun reloading does the trick :D
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A G17 here, I like the no safety catch feature and also no hammer, Never had a Jam and it's a good all round weapon built for one purpose only.
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A Sringfield 1911 is good and all, but the sound of a shotgun reloading does the trick :D
Don't be fooled..... you rack your shotgun and the perp will know right where your at. I carry a mossberg (18 1/2" barrel and pistol grip) in my pickup but I'd never think along the lines of someone being scared off by the racking sound.
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Don't be fooled..... you rack your shotgun and the perp will know right where your at. I carry a mossberg (18 1/2" barrel and pistol grip) in my pickup but I'd never think along the lines of someone being scared off by the racking sound.
Roger that. Let them be scared by the bright flash, loud boom, the feeling of a Mack truck to the chest and everything fading to black.
Rules to live by:
NEVER try to intimidate someone with a gun.
Using a gun is a last resort...when there is no other choice. When you pull it, USE IT.
Showing a gun to someone, chambering a round or racking in a shell only puts the perp on guard. It should be a total surprise.
It should go from "this will be an easy robbery/rape/murder" to "OH F...
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I asked because if you tested with a wheel gun then you can't carry a semi. If you tested with a semi you can carry either.
I agree with the 9mm being minimal. I have a XD45 for myself and a XD40 for the wife. I like the feel of the XD over the Glock. More point n shoot as opposed to the Glock feels off angle. To each his own. In any case safety is the most important.
You guys have to test for a carry and conceal permit?
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Yup.. first a short class then actual shooting on the range. They do not want to permit someone that can't handle the weapon to some extent. The test is not that hard. When my Mother-in-law took her class, she scored higher than anyone else in there on the range. The test shows you are able to load your pistol and shoot at different distances. You can fail at the range portion if your not up on your test weapon of choice.
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Wonder if your states would recognize my permit, even though we don't do a test? I had to go through all the background check stuff, but no fireing at the range or other test.
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Great site for Concealed Carry info:
http://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
Good site to get info about "reciprocity"
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Terror
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Wait till you come to the Peoples Republic of California, In particular the Bay area with a CCW......
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Wait till you come to the Peoples Republic of California, In particular the Bay area with a CCW......
My In-laws took a three month vacation to travel the US. In Arizona they had a tire issue on the travel trailer. My Father-in-law noticed the owners collection of firearms he had there on display in an office. They talked about them for a bit while the mechanic was doing his thing. The owner told my Father-in-law that they should not go to Kali if they had guns with them. Well not having guns around is like not wearing any underwear in our families. Needless to say they skipped kali completely and hit most of the other states. Had a great time too.
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You can always travel with ur handguns locked ina travel cases in kali can't you? I wonder what u need to do for the CCW.
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Good gun. I used to compete with it. Just a plain Jane military clone. No frills no race to it.
The model 1911 is probably my favorite semi-auto. The jury is out as to whether it excels as a daily carry gun. My personal opinion is that with all the fine double/singles, double onlys, the military 1911 is probably unnecessary. At least for what I do cause we have our guns out all the time, often on the run or in some high stress environment.
Thens theres the school of thought that you can train thru anything. Both are right, or at least I cant say one is wrong. But one thing I "know" is right is that Springfield makes a real honey of a 1911.
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I carry a Para Ordnance P14-45. It's a 14 shot version of the 1911. I dearly love that weapon. The larger grip frame fits my hand perfectly. That being said, while I am a firm believer in the gospel of John Moses Browning, I also understand that to carry his finest design, one must train to the point where the weapon is a natural part of your body and mind. A single action weapon requires that you be intimate with it. You must train until the "manual of arms" is better than second nature. You should be able to draw and cock the weapon in an instant, while keeping your finger OFF the trigger, as a cocked 1911 is begging to be fired. The 1911 is NOT designed to hold anyone at gunpoint, it is designed to kill people, as quickly and efficiently as possible.
I recently requalified with mine (we have to fire 50 shots) all but two were 9 ring or better, and all but 6 were 10 ring.
I strongly suggest you consider a Sig P220 if you like 45ACP (and I certainly do, I'm NOT a fan of 9MM or 40 Short & Weak). The Sig P220 has a feel that 90% of 1911 people find acceptable, if not downright lovely. It can be had in many variations, many of which are EXCELLENT carry weapons. They are available with a double action first shot, a very good idea for a carry weapon.
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You might also consider the various Para Ordnance double action versions, like the LDA.
Search www.galleryofguns.com for the Para Ordnance stuff, the Sig stuff you'll have to look up at their website.
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Whats your price range?
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I have a mil-spec Springfield 1911. Nice gun, decent price. Haven't had any problems with it.
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I have a lot of Glocks parked all over the house but I carry a 1911 Colt .45 most of the time. Bedside I have a Hawes .44 with the barrel cut to 2" that I normally use as a 'snake gun' during hunting season. I intended to use it to finish game off but I have never needed to do that. Never had a snake in the house either so for prevention it seems to be working. My favorites cant be concealed very easily.
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I dearly loved my Colt 1911.
I still miss that weapon.
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Springfield XD .45 ACP 4-inch barrel
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My dad's 1911 he had when he was in the Army didn't have a single problem with it. But when he traced back the serial numbers, he found out it was made in like 1935 or something like that. It was so old, the barrel rattled inside of it :lol
Funny thing was, outside of accuracy, that was my dad's favorite gun.
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I carried a Remington 45 ACP that was so loose (by modification) that when shot all you heard was bang clank. The weapon never failed to fire and was a joy to carry in a semi concealed holster. Felt like I lost my best friend when I quit carrying it on a daily basis. :cry :angel:
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I carry a Colt Mk. IV Series 80, blued, in a Fobus swivel holster. Great gun, put over 1,000 rounds through it without a hitch and gets rapid-fire groups of about 2 inches at 25 yards. Only complaint I have is that the spur on the grip safety is angled down (like a standard 1911A1) and I have a scar on my hand from all the times its dug into me on rapid fire or quick-shot drills. But its built tight as a drum and looks just like a WWII issue aside from the target sights.
Like this, but blued instead of natural and has walnut grips.
(http://collectorebooks.com/gregg01/coltpistol/DSC01955.jpg)
I also have a Remington New Army .44, but thats a black powder percussion revolver and about a foot long, so its in a bit different category... But its accurate as heck and fun to shoot, just a royal pain to exchange cylinders and takes forever to reload and clean.
(http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/BlkPowder/BPImages/1858-Army.44.jpg)
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Tarus is making a respectable 1911?
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For what I was told in 2 different gunshops, they came a long way ... but it's kind of the luck of the draw. The salesman told me some they receive are excellent, some are not as tight in the tolerances and operation. Maybe they still have loose quality control standards?
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Springfield XD .45 ACP 4-inch barrel
Ditto. Love it.
Wab
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My Springfield ultra compact V10 had to be sent back to the factory with less then 100 rounds on it.
It came back with a new extractor, barrel link, and slide release.
Customer service was great but it was offputting to buy a brand new handgun and have 2 types of failures.
Now that it is back, I have had no problems with it, and its pretty reliable. Not as relible as my sig, but good enough I wouldnt worry about it.
I bought a Springfield XD as well.
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STI Eagle 5.0 :rock
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STI Eagle 5.0 :rock
Yeeees, the STI eagle 5.0, i buy from black man in America, i shoot my mother in face, she die fast. Very good gun.
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Yeeees, the STI eagle 5.0, i buy from black man in America, i shoot my mother in face, she die fast. Very good gun.
:huh
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Don't like the STI Eagle, too modern looking, plus not a fan of fat grips. :frown:
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Don't like the STI Eagle, too modern looking, plus not a fan of fat grips. :frown:
I looked around for some extremely thin grip panels and then changed em cause my hand is so small? or I just don't like fat grips?
You can purchase after market grips and if you're like me in the hands department you will probably have too.
Tried shooting a tarus berretta clone and a berretta and couldn't hit anything consistently with it either one!
Got a 1911 and hit pretty good went to the thinner panels and kept the shots in an even smaller group!
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Yeeees, the STI eagle 5.0, i buy from black man in America, i shoot my mother in face, she die fast. Very good gun.
Ok, this guy is a imbecile :salute
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I have a Kimber Pro Carry that i love, 1911 4" bbl. Balance is perfect, and the thing is a tack driver. Flawless action, never a jamb or stovepipe using either ball or Corbon SD ammunition. Conceals well, i can carry it wearing a Tshirt and shorts.
Of all my IDPA and conceal carry firearms,this is by far my favorite.
As far as my favorite 1911 i own,
My father gave me his 1911 its a Remington Rand frame with a Colt slide. Its circa 1943and was used by him when he was a member of the US Army pistol team. It is stamped on the side Property of US Army. He use to give it to his gun smith to "tweek" it when it needed it, in return he would give the smith cigarettes at PX prices. Worked out well for all.
I own many,many handguns but in my opinon there is nothing better that the feel if a 1911 in my hand. Guess im just a cocked and locked kinda guy.
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Well uptown I have to agree with your assessment of borat. He's obviously a shade and is also obviously just looking to get smacked with the ban stick. I hope it's soon.
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Springfield 1911 Mil-Spec (not GI) sold new $545.00 ... Merry Xmas to me ... Muahahaha. :t
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/olythekid/1911.jpg)
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That ought to be a good one for you. Get a few extra mags and enjoy.
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THE HOLY GOSPEL OF JOHN (MOSES BROWNING)
1 In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it worketh. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain.
2 And shouldst thou muck with it, and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm.
3 And as the ages passed men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911 and their metal smiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.
4 Their artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it.
5 And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and loose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle.
6 And it came to pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as he had warned, fearful malfunctions to come upon the abominations and upon the artisans who thought they could do no wrong.
7 Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men, the lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them.
8 And being a deceitful spirit the lord of the underworld did make these plastic pistols unamenable to the artisans of earth and they were unable to muck much with the design, and lo these pistols did appear to function.
9 And the evil one also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both cock and fire them and which require a "dingus" to make them appear safe.
10 But man being stupid did not understand these new pistols and didst proceed to shoot themselves with the plastic pistol and with the trigger cocking pistols for lo their manual of arms required great intelligence which man had long since forsaken. Yet man continued to gloat over these new pistols blaming evil forces for the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.
11 And when man had been totally ensnared with the plastic pistol, the lord of the underworld didst cause a plague of the terrible Ka-Boom to descend upon man and the plastic pistols delivered their retribution upon men. And there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.
12 Then seeing that the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans who did hear and obey the teachings of the prophet and who didst restore the profaned 1911s to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men they didst begin to work as the prophet had intended.
13 And the men of the land didst drive out the charlatans and profaners from the land, and there was joy and peace in the land, except for the evil spirits which tried occasionally to prey on the men and women of the land and who were sent to the place of eternal damnation b by the followers of John.
a Several old manuscripts add the following text. "And they [also rendered as "these men"] didst chamber it for cartridges who's calibers starteth with numbers less than the Holy Number 4. And lo the Lord did cause great grief amongst these men when their enemies who were struck in battle with these lesser numbers didst not fall but did continue to cause great harm."
b or Hell
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I own a High Standard 1911A1. I've only put a little over 500 rounds through it so far but she fires like a dream and fits perfectly in my hand. I have to say that my hand was designed for such a beautiful gun. My only complaint is the front sight is a little small and difficult to see with a dark-background but a lil' white-out has fixed that problem.
Never had a problem with the kick, hold it right and it stays on target like nothing is happening. Infact I do more damage to myself with my Sister's mini-9 than I do with my .45. And after firing my Father's Beretta M9... I can think of no more perfect pistol in the world. I don't have to worry about blowing my own leg off when I draw it if I slip, the safety doesn't scare the toejam out of me when I turn it on. (I don't care if Beretta says it's impossible to shoot because the pin is rotated away, that's scary when the hammer clicks down.)
I recently bought some snap-caps to help improve my trigger-pull, that's really the only thing keeping me from having a perfect grouping.
(too much time as a little kid pretending to recoil nerf-guns.)
I must say, John Moses Browning was the smartest man of the 20th century.
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I've got around 1500 rounds through my Kimber Ultra Carry II. Stainless Steel, .45ACP, Trijicon Sights and Crimson Trace Lasergrip.
I've decided that for my purposes that it's too easy for the safety to be bumped off and to have an accidental discharge if I were to draw or even take the weapon out of my pocket. I train at the range to draw and cock the hammer as I'm coming up to target and have found it to be the safest option. With the inertial firing pin the gun will not fire unless the hammer is cocked making the gun extraordinarily safe when not intended to be used.
My folks bought matching Ruger SP101s in .357 Magnum because my mother is not an experienced shooter. I wouldn't ever suggest a novice shooter use an automatic pistol as a carry weapon. A revolver is the ideal gun for many people and applications.
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You can always travel with ur handguns locked ina travel cases in kali can't you? I wonder what u need to do for the CCW.
Trust me, the bay area is not the place to go, with a ccw, locked cases, locked safes or anything, Further up North in the Country/rural areas no worries, but please, forget the bay area.
I had a ccw from El dorado County here in Cali, moved to alameda county and then applied for a ccw there, biggest waste of time ever, Want to know what city is in alameda? Oakland, that's right, Oakland, they're even worse at ccw's, I don't live in the Oakland area though, but even my local PD made me go through the Alameda Sheriffs Office, I done some research on various sites first and the feedback I got turned out to be correct, the whole process was a waste of my time and cash.
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Trust me, the bay area is not the place to go, with a ccw, locked cases, locked safes or anything, Further up North in the Country/rural areas no worries, but please, forget the bay area.
I had a ccw from El dorado County here in Cali, moved to alameda county and then applied for a ccw there, biggest waste of time ever, Want to know what city is in alameda? Oakland, that's right, Oakland, they're even worse at ccw's, I don't live in the Oakland area though, but even my local PD made me go through the Alameda Sheriffs Office, I done some research on various sites first and the feedback I got turned out to be correct, the whole process was a waste of my time and cash.
thats one of the perks of being a cop, I can carry in all 50 states as long as its the sidearm thats carried on my badge and not just on my permit. :aok
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I have to say that my hand was designed for such a beautiful gun.
I guess thats better than having a gun that was designed for a beautiful hand. :rofl
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If anyone ever gets the chance, try buying a Wilson 1911. I have a custom one that is just flat out awesome. Also, for all my 1911s i have ditched the factory mags and converted to all Wilson and or McCormick mags. They are flawless.
I do use the factory ones for plinking, all my IDPA and Carry mags are the above 2 mfgs though