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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Rich46yo on November 27, 2008, 05:57:07 AM
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What three vehicles do you think "must" be added to the game next? The criteria isn't "what you want", but instead, "what must be added to keep the game historically pure"? Go outside your "wants" and think outside the box.
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Grant/Lee Tank ...was used in many many theatres ....Tunisa...the far east ....lead lease Eastern front ...was all over the globe ....would be very useful for events
Some version of the Panzer III ....probably the short barrelled III-h would be a good choice
British Cruiser III or a Cromwell ......the Cruiser III would be nice for events ...the Cromwell would be semi-useful for all aspects of the game
I'll add one more ....the Kv-1 terrified the germans ....hard not to include something so legendary
Helm ...out
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The "standard" Sherman Tank with 75mm gun
A non-turreted TD that is based on a current chassis: SU85, Jagdpanzer IV with 75mm/L70. Using a current chassis should shorten the development time to get it in the game. Having one of these would be a good experiment to see if they would actually be used in game.
SDKFZ 234- Puma German armored car with a decent gun (especially when using APCR ammo)
and a fourth because they seem to be easier to implement than an entirely new GV. The many variants that used the US and German Half Tracks. These variants included howitzers, AT guns, and other specialist armaments.
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M4 sherman
M18
KV-1
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Panther
Kv-1
M-26
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"3 vehicles" can also include "aircraft".
I was just wondering what three would be considered most important if personal "wants" were left out. In other words criteria would be, "to make the game as historically accurate as possible". What three would be needed most?
Using this criteria it would be hard to argue against the 111. For that matter a Russian level bomber too.
For that matter a heavy Soviet breakthru tank, or TD, would also have to be considered.
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M4 sherman...
Must not get around the hangar-list often.
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The Kv-1, must have...
M4A3 Sherman, preferred Sherman tank used by the Americans...
Churchill Crocodile, fast, efficient, flamethrower's and all...
Lt. Pope
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My 3 must-haves:
Hummel/Preist
He-177
R4M (Imagine the damage you could do to a MoM mission with some of THESE on the defenders!)
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Must not get around the hangar-list often.
when i say M4 SHERMAN I DON'T MEAN THE FIReFLY
for aircraft....
a-26
he-111
ju-87 g1
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Airplanes
He-111
A-26
Sm-79.
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Skdzf-251/9: 75mm howitzer halftrack with 5 troops
Kv-2: a real town/hanger killer that is slow as a glacier
Crusader mk III/IV: 6pdr(57mm)/3" howitzer armed go fast that live longer than m-8s
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sdkzf 234/4(?): 50mm gun toten armored car that lives as long as an m-8
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Skdzf-251/9: 75mm howitzer halftrack with 5 troops
Kv-2: a real town/hanger killer that is slow as a glacier
Crusader mk III/IV: 6pdr(57mm)/3" howitzer armed go fast that live longer than m-8s
OR
sdkzf 234/4(?): 50mm gun toten armored car that lives as long as an m-8
Kv-2 has the biggest turret i have seen.
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Skdzf-251/9: 75mm howitzer halftrack with 5 troops
Kv-2: a real town/hanger killer that is slow as a glacier
Crusader mk III/IV: 6pdr(57mm)/3" howitzer armed go fast that live longer than m-8s
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sdkzf 234/4(?): 50mm gun toten armored car that lives as long as an m-8
Don't we have the SDK?
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Yak-3 :aok
P47-m :aok
M-18 hellcat tank destroyer :aok
:salute :noid :noid
WWhiskey out
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I'm seeing a lot of personal "wants" and not many AH2 "needs". The current gv game has a lot of gaps. It does not have a legit tank destroyer and it does not have a legit direct fire support vehicle.
I'd say a TD such as the M10, M18, or the non-turreted Jagdpanzer (much would depend on the amount of swivel the gun has and how good the optics are) is needed prior to adding in any more tanks. I'll vouch for the M18.
Also, an M3 halftrack with the 75mm cannon or the Sdkfz 251/9 with the 7.5cm cannon for HE support (both would be very much like the LVT4 but much faster) would fit the bill nicely. The 251 is a bit more stout than the M3, so it would fair batter vs enemy fire. The Priest or Saxon with the 105mm cannon would be good too. I'll vouch for the 251/9.
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Artillery for indirect fire, spotted by jeeps and such. Anti tank guns, towed by SDK or something. More gameplay variety instead of more flavors of the same gameplay.
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Artillery for indirect fire, spotted by jeeps and such. Anti tank guns, towed by SDK or something. More gameplay variety instead of more flavors of the same gameplay.
Try out the current 251 w/ the 45d firing angle. Have your buddy in a jeep up and over the ridge adjust fire for you and tell us how quickly you abandon you quest to zero in your indirect fire. ;) Unless HTC implemted some a system like the 8in and 5in bnaval guns, a lot of time would be lost. :)
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I don't understand the problem. The 251 doesnt have enough ammo and the jeep at the moment doesnt have binocs, so its not really comparable as I see it. The M8 does great at ranging for the 251, Ive done it. Giving ground arty the same sort of point-click automation as navy guns have now would be way too easy.
Towed anti tank guns would be great to ambush ground offensives with. Towed AAA 88s too for that matter..
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Churchill Crocodile, fast, efficient, flamethrower's and all...
Lt. Pope
Flamethrower, gives a whole new meaning to i have the map room covered, roast them as they enter LOL
:lol
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Flamethrower, gives a whole new meaning to i have the map room covered, roast them as they enter LOL
:lol
:rofl
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Difference between Sherman and Sherman Firefly Den.
The I guess you could say "normal" sherman had a 75mm gun, the firefly has an 85mm?? (I think, not too sure)
The Firefly wasn't mass produced like the normal Sherman because the Americans didn't want to put a British-made gun on their tanks
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The Sherman Firefly had the OQF 17 pdr. (76 mm) high velocity main gun.
The British 17 pdr (tough also 76 mm) had a higher muzzle velocity than the US made 3 inch (also 76 mm) guns and could penetrate more armor. They were completely above the earlier short 75 mm guns used on most Sherman's.
:salute
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Matilda II
any stug variant
IS-2 as a perked tank destroyer or a T-80 soviet light tank
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M1A2 AbR4m$!
L3pord 2!!!!!!
K1nG t1Gr!!!
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OK, enough with the fun L337
I'd actually like to see the..
M4A3
Any British Tank
Panzer III (or any early war german tank)
Maybe perked...
Sturmtiger (yes it saw combat! 18 were built :D :O )
IS2
Panther
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Italian P40 Tank,
(http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/tanks/ita/p40/02828.jpg)
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The M3 with the 75mm howitzer to start. Wespe perhaps... something along those lines.
This will prolly be my last tour in AH but artillery of some sort outside the cruiser would be nice :)
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Planes
Ki-27
Ki-21 "Sally"
I-16 (with Soviet and Nationalist Chinese skins)
Ground Vehicles (Sorry for going past the 3 wish limit)
Char B1
Matilda
Panzer I
Panzer II
Panzer III Ausf.F
Panzer III Ausf.G
Panzer 38(t)
Panzer 35(t)
Any of the above planes and ground vehicles would be a great addition to the Early War set up.
ack-ack
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SOMUA S-35, Type 97 CHI-HA, Matilda 2
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CHAR
Brummbar for town killing (but enlarge the towns 25%).
Matilda
Adding the "Standard" M4 is pointless.
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OK
ju87 G is a must _ Imagine 87 G's flying along side D's for a V-base capture (point being they get there at the same time). Big botta boom. Not to mention they can provide a fighter like cover for the D's as well as taking out GV's that escaped the falling school bus bomb- 5 air to air kills in one sortie in a D. Imagine if I woulda had the G :rock
I think a tow behind AT unit & ART/AAA (88's or others) unit would be great (Pull up on site deploy units and supplies take a town down) Think about attacking a town and jeeps, m3's and deuce and a half pull up towing troops AAA, AT & ART all at once. Town Gone, Air cover, ground cover and troops running. The targets would be smaller for GV's to hit but easier for AC to hit. So a wash, but fast attack would be a nice option.
This isn't really A new vehicle but tank formations (like bombers) would be nice. Would be great to if you had a WW in with 2 tanks. Maybe you could mix up the variation of GV's. The WW only fires when you have the COAX/Pintnel gun firing. If this where implemented then it should take alotta perks to make this happen. The only reason I think this should be introduced is that tank columns where generally pretty big, kinda like bomber formations. If you have one to be more effective then you should have the other.
MA 2 cents
Later
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ju87 G is a must _ Imagine 87 G's flying along side D's for a V-base capture (point being they get there at the same time). Big botta boom. Not to mention they can provide a fighter like cover for the D's as well as taking out GV's that escaped the falling school bus bomb- 5 air to air kills in one sortie in a D. Imagine if I woulda had the G :rock
What are you going to shoot down the planes with in the Ju-87G-1/2? If you think you're going to do it with those 37mm Flak 18 cannons, you're sorely mistaken. If anything, the Ju87G-1/2 will be fodder for any fighter that comes along.
ack-ack
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I certainly hope no one would be dog fighting a Ju87 G...but I agree the cannons could make it a much more viable ground pounder. However, for my top three I'd have to opt for:
I'm not picky, so I'll just put out three roles. The actual vehicles can vary...
1. SP Art + corresponding spotter ride (jeep with binocs would work, as noted)
2. AT tow-behind with HE available. (I think 88 would be lame though...bring a wirble if you want air cover)
3. Something either bigger or faster than the current PT boats. Either a quicker version of ours, which could catch CV groups...or perhaps a man-able light frigate. Something like this ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_class_corvette perhaps, switching out the depth charges for rockets or some other town/fleet buster weapon. Naval warfare ftw :)
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Maybe remove the recon Jeep's icon and MG, to make it more viable..
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Yea, I was actually thinking just chop Icon range down to 500 or so...removing MG would be a good idea. If you knocked out icon entirely, it could add some importance to flora + cover, that's for sure.
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Binocs, but no gun.. Probably drop the supplies and troops as well. Maybe just go for a sidecar instead :)
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Grant/Lee Tank ...was used in many many theatres ....Tunisa...the far east ....lead lease Eastern front ...was all over the globe ....would be very useful for events
Some version of the Panzer III ....probably the short barrelled III-h would be a good choice
British Cruiser III or a Cromwell ......the Cruiser III would be nice for events ...the Cromwell would be semi-useful for all aspects of the game
I'll add one more ....the Kv-1 terrified the germans ....hard not to include something so legendary
Helm ...out
all pieces of %$#@ Oh yah .... The Germans were not afraid of the KV-1. It had the same 76mm as the T-34, usless against Tigers.
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What are you going to shoot down the planes with in the Ju-87G-1/2? If you think you're going to do it with those 37mm Flak 18 cannons, you're sorely mistaken. If anything, the Ju87G-1/2 will be fodder for any fighter that comes along.
ack-ack
Um I shot down 5 AC with 2 MG's. If I had 37's they would have been toast without all the fuss. As most of the shooting was done @ 200 or less and inside their cockpit. I think you still get the Mg's with the G model right?
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Um I shot down 5 AC with 2 MG's. If I had 37's they would have been toast without all the fuss. As most of the shooting was done @ 200 or less and inside their cockpit. I think you still get the Mg's with the G model right?
It retained both the wing mounted 7.92mm machine guns.
However, as I stated in my prior post, if you think you're going to provide CAP with a Stuka, you're going to be in for a long night. Yes, you may have shot down a plane or two in the Stuka but against an experienced (i.e. non-n00b that you've shot down) fighter, all that will result is a quick trip to the tower for you.
I love taking planes like the Stuka out for some furballing and occasionaly I get lucky and encounter someone that is utterly clueless and tries to angles/stall fight me and I get an easy kill. However, things don't go so well when I run into a good experienced fighter. I might put a few pings into him (damn those BBs!) but more often than not, it's me that gets sent back to the tower. It's just a case where the plane is totally outclassed by even the most basic fighter we have in the game. YMMV.
ack-ack
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Good god man your missing the point............. If you had some 37 on board there wouldnt be the BB issue. As stated in the starter post It would be a great escort for NOE GV bases and base defense. I was not saying that it would be a great fighter ....GD
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Good god man your missing the point............. If you had some 37 on board there wouldnt be the BB issue. As stated in the starter post It would be a great escort for NOE GV bases and base defense. I was not saying that it would be a great fighter ....GD
You're missing the point if you think you'll be able to hit a hard maneuvering plane with a 37mm Flak 18 cannon on the G-1/2. It will not be a good escort for NOE base attacks or as a base defender. It would not do well in that role at all, especially as an escort as it's probably one of, if not, the slowest plane we have. A C-47 will out run it.
The 37mm Flak 18 cannon was not designed for A2A work, it's basically a ground gun converted to use as a plane mounted anti-tank weapon.
ack-ack
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I certainly hope no one would be dog fighting a Ju87 G...but I agree the cannons could make it a much more viable ground pounder. However, for my top three I'd have to opt for:
I'm not picky, so I'll just put out three roles. The actual vehicles can vary...
1. SP Art + corresponding spotter ride (jeep with binocs would work, as noted)
2. AT tow-behind with HE available. (I think 88 would be lame though...bring a wirble if you want air cover)
3. Something either bigger or faster than the current PT boats. Either a quicker version of ours, which could catch CV groups...or perhaps a man-able light frigate. Something like this ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_class_corvette perhaps, switching out the depth charges for rockets or some other town/fleet buster weapon. Naval warfare ftw :)
Hows aboot a Destroyer escort or a Gunboat
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Yea something like that would be fine. As I said, either pack a bit more punch / more survivability than our beloved PT boat, or just speed up our PT. (which would also increase survivability)
Naval warfare lacks in this game, to say the least. I don't see why we can't have it, as clearly the ground war is at least *partially* established.
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Is there an echo??
(1) Dewoitine 520
(2) Swordfish (c'mon sunk big part of Italian fleet at taranto, not to mention Bismarck, tirpitz, others).
(3) Yak-3
honorable mentions Ki-43 (amazing that workhorse not here) or Piaggio bomber.
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Ski troops with molotov cocktails.
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A Studebaker Truck with trailer
Trailer loadout options being
5" Artilery
88mm Artilery
Rocket launcher
Vechicle supplies
Truck load out options
5" AP,HE, AA ammo
88mm AP, HE, AA ammo
185mm rockets
Troops
Vehicle supplies
Field supplies
Trucks should be available in "formations" to drive 3 line astern but can only be selected singely when troops are chosen.
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Antitank guns.. (they were ubiquitous, and extremely dangerous on ALL fronts)
Manned Puffy ack at towns and bases.. (no fixed installation like our airfields would be without Hvy AA batteries)
Artillery.. (inc more detailed maps w grid system, that will make it usable in the correct manner)
Stereoscopic Rangefinders.. (common technology on WWII battlefields)
Thats MAJOR STUFF, that is missing in the game!!!
Minor stuff
Standard Sherman w 75..
Early war tanks, T34 is only tank available now..(considering its rarity, it shouldn't be)
Self propelled guns/TD's, (were numerous and deadly)
Just adding more vehicles, won't make much difference in the game...
Need NEW facett's on the diamond!!!
RC
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Is there an echo??
(1) Dewoitine 520
(2) Swordfish (c'mon sunk big part of Italian fleet at taranto, not to mention Bismarck, tirpitz, others).
(3) Yak-3
honorable mentions Ki-43 (amazing that workhorse not here) or Piaggio bomber.
no bi-planes needed. I also think that the Ju 88 did sink more shipping than the swordfish. Beufighter probally did as well. I would rather see the Beufighter and the Ki-43.