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Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Ripsnort on August 29, 2001, 11:29:00 AM: Just read that late model P38's had bombsites...can we have them too?
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Westy MOL on August 29, 2001, 11:49:00 AM: The "L" models or models known as the "Droop Snoop" ships which had a glass nose and Norden in it.

(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38-16.jpg)

(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38-19.jpg)

Wait! You're not reading the AirWarrior manual btw are you? ;)

Westy

[ 08-29-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Ripsnort on August 29, 2001, 11:57:00 AM: LOL, no, just came across it in some Discovery channel program, or one of my books lately, funny, I can remember what happened 20 years ago , but two or three days ago is a blank... :)
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: -ammo- on August 29, 2001, 12:27:00 PM: The 56th FG had their own "droop snoop" P-38 which they used for several missions. However it was not so late a model I think. I am not sure but will look when i get home.
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: BenDover on August 29, 2001, 12:43:00 PM: <DROOLS>
if they do include a p38 with a glass nose,i can't to HO them :D
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: iculus on August 29, 2001, 03:58:00 PM: How effective were they?
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Fishu on August 29, 2001, 08:06:00 PM: Must been fairly effective as they were used to aim bombs.

You could load it with bombs, then have bunch of other P38's loaded up also and as this "droop snoot" drops bombs, others drops also.
So you could get nice amount of bombs in certain area and also provide air cover or strafe a little to fulfill the work.
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Tac on August 29, 2001, 10:40:00 PM: droop snoots with no guns but with a norden.

Would hit the spot! :)
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: iculus on August 30, 2001, 09:59:00 AM: Cool! This would be neat! :)
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Jack55 on August 30, 2001, 10:23:00 PM: Don't forget the 2 X 2,000 LB bombs.
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: hazed- on August 31, 2001, 07:18:00 AM: you want bombsights over 4x50 cals and a 20mm cannon?

are you mad? :)
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Fastbikkel on August 31, 2001, 07:38:00 AM: This plane could lead a whole group of p-38's on a bombing mission. After dropping the bombs they could fight there way home.

But i am not sure how they could fight their way in. !?!?! :)
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Fishu on August 31, 2001, 09:20:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Fastbikkel:
But i am not sure how they could fight their way in. !?!?! :)

Superior altitude and speed of the fighter.. who needs to fight! :p
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Holder on August 31, 2001, 12:30:00 PM: Sorry lads but you can't have everything. Look at the droop snoop ship, it does NOT have ANY guns in the nose (where would they put them, in the bombaimers lap?). This aircraft carried a dedicated (and crazy) bombaimer in the nose. No guns. Of any sort.

Sorry.
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Kratzer on August 31, 2001, 12:46:00 PM: So do they cram a bombardier into the nose on his belly? That's a scary place to be...
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: pugg666 on August 31, 2001, 01:04:00 PM: no problem....

give the bombadier a .45 and a little firing port :)
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Pyro on September 01, 2001, 10:35:00 AM: I've never been able to find any pics of the interior section. If you know where I can find some, let me know.
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Tac on September 01, 2001, 06:25:00 PM: spent 3 hours searching, no luck. There seems to be only 2 pictures of those droopsnoots.

E-mailed Lockheed Martin, who knows what might come up. (last time I did that they sent me a P-38 video for free :) ).

Hold to that thought Pyro :D
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: LePaul on September 01, 2001, 10:32:00 PM: Can I imitate Fester?

"No external views"

:D
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: LtHans on September 02, 2001, 09:41:00 PM: (http://www.aviation-history.com/lockheed/p38.jpg)

Not an internal view, but you can see inside the nose a bit better.

Hans.
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: LtHans on September 02, 2001, 09:45:00 PM: You know though, after the Mosquito is added a Droop Snoop isn't really going to be that special. I can't think of many advantages a Droop Snoop has over a Mossie IV, besides the obvious 'never been done before in simulations' angle.

Hans.
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: Karnak on September 02, 2001, 10:13:00 PM: LtHans,

In the context of the full power all the time environment that AH has, the Droop Snoop P-38L would be faster than the Mosquito B.MkIV. However the Mosquito B.MkXVI would be faster than the Droop Snoop.

Droop Snoop would give the same capability to the USAAF that the Mosquito gives to the RAF.
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: SKurj on September 03, 2001, 12:26:00 AM: Be nice to get the B version glass nose mossie too +)

SKurj
Title: Put a bombsite in the P38L
Post by: LtHans on September 03, 2001, 05:07:00 AM: Quote
You could load it with bombs, then have bunch of other P38's loaded up also and as this "droop snoot" drops bombs, others drops also.

Thats not saying much though. We don't have large enough targets for saturation bombing. Hell, the B-17s and such have to aim down to the foot to hit things in this game.

What you just described can already be done in AH, but nobody will do it. All you have to do is fly a heavy fighter beside ANY plane that has a bombsight and drop when he does. Like I said though, I doubt it will actually work.

BTW, that is also how BOMBER formations do it. Only the lead bomber of a squadron is looking down at the target, the rest are just flying formation and drop when he does.