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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on November 30, 2008, 12:54:15 PM
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I was flying in Open Falcon this morning and was getting non-stop SU-30s and MIG-29S's rolling down the Korean peninsula toward the aircraft carrier. It was so bad that they were basically vulching A-10s coming off the base - even the AI knows no decency. Figured there was probabally an A-50 AWACS hanging around north of our lines and funnelling all that crap down south. So looking around at what bases I had, a couple F111s - no good, F-5s naa, F-4s nope, F-16C30 nope...Ahh an aircraft carrier.
F-14B, and I got a lot of them. So I loaded up with 6 AIM-54Cs and 2 9M's - put some drop tanks on and blasted out towards the coast. I zoomed up to 45000 feet in full burner going from 17000 lbs of fuel to lighten up and speed up - the idea being to get some E up high. Was hard to bust faster then Mach 1.2 with all the stores hanging off. On the RWR, I saw the <S> flash up in front - figured that was their AWACS. I ranged out the radar in RWS mode to around 110 NM and singled out the A-50 when our AWACS got a good ID on it. I killed my radar, infact I stopped radiating everything all together - selected zone-5 and started a 4 minute timer, with the end of 4 minutes to reacquire everything in the box, launch my birds and get the diddly away fast.
The timer clicked down, the RWR showed a couple of M29s showing, but nothing in the priority threat circle. Fuel was zooming down, and I was up to Mach 1.3 Still nothing on the RWR saying they were aware of what was about to happen to them. 2 minutes, 13000 lbs of gas now - I call the AWACS to vector a few friendlies north with the idea a toejamstorm would follow if I managed to splash their AWACS. 30 seconds - radar goes live - nose down and aim for 35000 feet. Pick up the A-50 doing race track patterns and the SU-30s hunkered down below 10k - nothing at my flight level. Launch my first bird at the A-50, and the remaining 5 at individual SU-30s at around 35NM range. Giving them a good 20 seconds to track I broke out to the east - still burning away and keeping my radar illuminated on the A50s and others as long as possible while giving a good angle off. Once the first missile went active, I killed all radiation and went dark - hauling bellybutton back south along the coast.
The A-50 got it in the nose, and 3 SU-30s. The remaining 2 were too far away when I broke off to go active and lost their tracks. Heading back towards the south - I was now lean and light. Felt a bit bold, naturally - a bad idea, so I headed inland. That was the first mistake. I still had my AIM-9s so when I got towards our FLOT I figured i'd dump my altitude and try to run down a couple of SU25s.
That was my second mistake. Others have probably counted up to a dozen by now. I found 2, damaged them both and got them to drop their ord - and my RWR lights up...they're back...
I picked up one off my right side 2 oclock, selected zone 5 and tried to put some space between me and him. Then, glints of light - 5 of them, climbing, 4 AA-12s and an AA-10C. I must've dumped everything but the bathwater with those 5 missiles in tail chase. I was outrunning them by some miracle, and it would've worked had I paid attention to the 2S6 that I was passing over top. 30mm struck me, crippled and engine and lost enough E in the process to let the AA-10C tickle my rear.
Thus, ended a reckless and effective mission.
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Sounds like a fun game!
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Damn that sounds fun! Falcon 4.0?
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Falcon 4 with the Open Falcon mod added on.
http://files.filefront.com/Open+Falcon+45+OCI/;9751773;/fileinfo.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgwHgweA69Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w71cewphTdw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzvd6yEiOmk
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Thanks. Clearly, you're not as bad a guy as your sig file suggests :)
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Cool game, how in depth are the controls? Will I have to read a 5000 page manual?
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Very and yes....700 pages I believe for Falcon 4.0.
Race
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Cool game, how in depth are the controls? Will I have to read a 5000 page manual?
Its taken me around 8 years on and off to get more or less proficient.
http://download.high-g.net/files/Falcon_4_Manuals/f4_tac-ref.pdf
http://download.high-g.net/files/Falcon_4_Manuals/f4_AF-manual.pdf
http://download.high-g.net/files/Falcon_4_Manuals/f4_manual_SP4.pdf
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Its taken me around 8 years on and off to get more or less proficient.
http://download.high-g.net/files/Falcon_4_Manuals/f4_tac-ref.pdf
http://download.high-g.net/files/Falcon_4_Manuals/f4_AF-manual.pdf
http://download.high-g.net/files/Falcon_4_Manuals/f4_manual_SP4.pdf
Excellent :).
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When I was a youngster I played Falcon 3.0 with passion. MY buddy used to bring his computer over and we would network the game and stay up till 4am. What dorks we were. ;) When Falcon 4.0 came out I was disappointed with how buggy the game was out of the box. Instructions were included on how to download a necessary patch just to get the sim working. I guess they got the bugs worked out!?
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So let me get this straight...Open Falcon = Falcon 4.0 with flyable planes outside of the F-16? If so, I knew there was an excellent reason I still had a pristine copy of the original collectors edition collecting dust. Still even have the slam full 3-Ring binder floating around somewhere.....I always thought F4 would be so so cool if you could fly some of the other planes that were modeled...I'll ask before I search, may be redundant, but is there a list somewhere that shows what all planes Open Falcon allows? F-117's and B-1's please! Failing that some of the wild weasel F4's would do be just fine.
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Well....I located the binder, Cadet's Guide, etc...now if I could just find the @#(* disc...Bout ready to toss the house :)
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I really like the way you told that story.
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I think the only aircraft not flyable in Open Falcon are the rotors. I have a file change in F4AF that allows flying all the planes. A slight mod in the cockpit section for the Strike Eagles. Only problem is you fly them with the F-16 cockpit.
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Excellent write up Wolfala. Brings back memories of my F-16 armchair fighter pilot days!
I got it on Dec 12th '98 and logged about 1300 hours in it over a few years flying the various patches/mods that came along the way. The last time I flew it online with a squadron was years ago. I've flown about 30 hrs in Open Falcon just messing around, it's amazing how far that sim has progressed and how realistic it is in most every aspect - I love it.
It's a shame I can't fly it with this new PC - my GTX 280 card / drivers don't like anti alaising, and screws up the TacRef/loadout/GUI page. I may try some really old drivers that I heard worked, and give it a shot. I'd love to fly online with ya sometime.
I had read all the material I could get my hands on about flying/fighting in the F-16. Printed and bound the MCH-11-F16-v5 manual, lots of good info in there about tactics/procedures/BFM and brevity. The squad I flew with tried to make it as realistic as possible, had all the radio calls/brevity down, it sounded cool. The CO was an ex-F16 pilot so he helped us out. Those were good times, getting together with those guys and flying a late night TE or two.
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Excellent write up Wolfala. Brings back memories of my F-16 armchair fighter pilot days!
I got it on Dec 12th '98 and logged about 1300 hours in it over a few years flying the various patches/mods that came along the way. The last time I flew it online with a squadron was years ago. I've flown about 30 hrs in Open Falcon just messing around, it's amazing how far that sim has progressed and how realistic it is in most every aspect - I love it.
It's a shame I can't fly it with this new PC - my GTX 280 card / drivers don't like anti alaising, and screws up the TacRef/loadout/GUI page. I may try some really old drivers that I heard worked, and give it a shot. I'd love to fly online with ya sometime.
I had read all the material I could get my hands on about flying/fighting in the F-16. Printed and bound the MCH-11-F16-v5 manual, lots of good info in there about tactics/procedures/BFM and brevity. The squad I flew with tried to make it as realistic as possible, had all the radio calls/brevity down, it sounded cool. The CO was an ex-F16 pilot so he helped us out. Those were good times, getting together with those guys and flying a late night TE or two.
I've actually never played it in multiplayer before. Would be interesting to give that a go. What would really kickass is a dedicated human AWACS.
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I've actually never played it in multiplayer before. Would be interesting to give that a go. What would really kickass is a dedicated human AWACS.
Yeah we had one of the guys play AWACS a few times, was pretty slick. The map screen was able to show the bandit position/heading/alt/speed on the bullseye ring as well as display us - so he could give us BRA vectors or bullseye. I think they've got the built in radio working very well online now - and supposedly they're tweaking the sound so it sounds authentic.
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I kicked up my old F4 disc, installed it and OF 4.5. However when I go to start her up, I get a black screen. I can still hear the audio in the background, and see my F-16 mouse cursor, but I can't get any farther than that. I have a 9800GT with Forceware 180.48....think that the drivers may be an issue?
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Sounds like the drivers. The general consensus is 169.21 was the most stable of the bunch. Roll back to those and report back.
Start with AA and everything turned off - then progressively turn features on and see if anything makes it puke.
Ahh never mind - I saw your post and you turned AA off and got the GUI.
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Yeah we had one of the guys play AWACS a few times, was pretty slick. The map screen was able to show the bandit position/heading/alt/speed on the bullseye ring as well as display us - so he could give us BRA vectors or bullseye. I think they've got the built in radio working very well online now - and supposedly they're tweaking the sound so it sounds authentic.
Cobra,
Another guy and I are going completely batshit trying to setup the multi. Any chance we can do a king size squeak session on team speak with u?
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I have Falcon 4.0 AF and have been trying like crazy to figure out how to play the damned thing. It works and all its just... so annoying flying with missiles that kill things 20 miles away. (too damned used to flying a 109 with taters.)
Against the computer I never have a chance to figure out if my missile is even locked. (Or what each of those stupid sounds mean, the manual doesn't tell you which sound means what so I'm generally sitting there listening to something warning me about something until I get a missile up me arse.)
I finally figured out how to track and designate a target with the radar, the only problem is I can't translate the radar screen to what I can actually see visually. Flying dogfights with IR only missiles I get a vague sense of how it works, but when I see a dot on the radar screen and point the nose to where I think that translates in r/l there's nothing there. And they usually end up being somewhere that makes absolutely no sense to me. My only solace with this game is that when I turn missiles off the computer can't beat me in a guns-only dogfight.
I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out how to use the radar system, the manual doesn't help at all. All it tells me is a bunch of acronyms I don't understand for situations I have no clue about. I understand how to set range, elevation, move the cursor and tell it to lock target but beyond that... I don't know where the target is in relation to my aircraft, I can't tell what direction it is going even though the manual says I should be able to deduce that, and most importantly I don't know when my missile is locked or even if its awake or armed, or even actually targeting what I think it should be targeting.
I mean... seriously could it really be so much damned trouble for the Airforce to have a sound that says :Your missile is locked instead of some buzzing sound?
I like the thought of playing a modern jet simulator... but this thing is somewhat beyond me... and yet I really want to play it.
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Hoffman read each training exercise and also read up on every system the exercise employs. Fly all the exercises. Learn not only how to fly and land but how to use all the radar modes and every weapon system (dont forget the navigation). Know your airplane like its your own muscles. Fly dogfights against AI where you can setup engagements with every plane in the game. Use guns only and then rear aspect missiles later and then progress to greater technologies after that and when you can beat every plane (and know the tones) setup differential fights two against one and three against one until you feel confident and then maybe introduce a wingman for you. If you do it that way eventually you will be ready for campaign and it wont be so hard. Going straight into campaign mode is a big confidence killer.
Sorry but the only way I know is from the beginning and through all the training. The game is fantastic but you have to put in the time.
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OK so we figured out the multi-play setup and got it running without issue.
I was the guy inverted kicking out flares all over the place. And of course it wouldn't be complete without the failed refueling attempts which ended with both of us taking out our tanker with AIM-'9s after we wasted 4000 lbs of gas trying to get gas.
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Haha awesome man, glad you finally got it figured out. I didn't see the thread until now, but I wouldn't have been able to help anyway as I haven't flown it online in years. I've skimmed over the connection guide for OF 4.5 and it seems a lot more complex than it used to be. I'm tempted to try those 169.20 drivers and give it a shot - just sucks to downgrade to play one sim.
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truly a beautiful aircraft :aok
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truly a beautiful aircraft :aok
<S> I haven't flown any modern AC Sims since F-15 Strike Eagle, sort of dates me. Looking at the cockpit I would probably get really hooked. Looks like that could be another addiction! :rock :salute
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Is it still possible to get a copy of the origional Falcon 4.0?? I have been unable to find one online or anywhere local. I don't really want the allied force one. I would like to find the origional and get the open falcon mod for it.
If anybody knows where I can find one, please let me know.
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Hoffman the sidewinder growl will chnage pitch to higher when you have it looking at a solid lock. If you can see your bad guy hit D to go into dogfight mode then U to uncage the seeker head and point your jet at the bad guy. It should lock rather quick then. Once locked you can see on the left side of the HUD if you are within a high PK shot.
Gaidin I got my original from ebay.
Wolf when you go to refuel make sure you use the radio commands. Refuel usually happens at 20,000 feet. When your getting close use very small power or position adjustments. You should be flying at about 19,950 feet to hook up with a KC-10 the KC-135 is ten feet longer or shorter I can't remember. What pisses me off is I always hook up when the damn tanker wants to turn.
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Is it still possible to get a copy of the origional Falcon 4.0?? I have been unable to find one online or anywhere local. I don't really want the allied force one. I would like to find the origional and get the open falcon mod for it.
If anybody knows where I can find one, please let me know.
Here is the original... you can also find F4AF there which I recommend.
http://www.amazon.com/Falcon-4-0-Pc/dp/B00000K4KF/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1229417761&sr=8-16
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Here is the original... you can also find F4AF there which I recommend.
http://www.amazon.com/Falcon-4-0-Pc/dp/B00000K4KF/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1229417761&sr=8-16
Thanks for the Amazon link, Chalenge. I've also been looking to explore Open Falcon and needed a copy of 4.0. Got it. :)
Great thread, guys. :salute
Regards,
Sun
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Can Open Falcon be used with F4AF?
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Can Open Falcon be used with F4AF?
Do not believe that is the case. Check your PMs.
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Thanks I got it. replied.
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F4 turned 10 years old on December 11th 2008. There was a pretty outpouring during this event when several squads from around the world converged. Below are some of the screen caps and video from the event.
(http://www.f4forums.com/forums/photoplog/images/7635/large/1_2008-12-11_235937.png)
(http://www.f4forums.com/forums/photoplog/images/2537/large/1_215.png)
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http://baldeagles05235.info/ofbase/10ans%20teaser.mpg (http://baldeagles05235.info/ofbase/10ans%20teaser.mpg)
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Wolf? Did you forget how to refuel? :D
At 1 mile hit 'Y' then '2' and the boom will come down and you can proceed. :aok
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Looks like a great event, incredible it can handle that many people online and be stable. I remember when it was wild to get 4 people to fly together without problems, then it slowly increased over the years - very cool.
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Thanks for the Amazon link, Chalenge. I've also been looking to explore Open Falcon and needed a copy of 4.0. Got it. :)
Great thread, guys. :salute
Regards,
Sun
Not sure why no one likes F4AF as much because I think its closer to reality and it certainly is much more stable and doesnt require the older drivers...
Looks like a great event, incredible it can handle that many people online and be stable. I remember when it was wild to get 4 people to fly together without problems, then it slowly increased over the years - very cool.
F4AF has better dogfighting connects too without the campaign going I mean...
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Great story telling sir!
I've been reading about Falcon for a while. Still haven't touch it, but after those words, I may do just that!
:salute
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Rats Wolf ... I'm going to have to dust off my Falcon skills, and show up with my
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Curse you people.
I had given up Falcon for good.
Now I"m back.
In any case- is there any chance to have a resolution greater then 1280x960? or is that the 'hard limit"?
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Cant answer that for sure about FF but with F4AF widescreen resolutions were added in patch 11 I think.
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Will F4AF and F4 w/OF4.5 coexist on the machine?? I would like to experience both.
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Will F4AF and F4 w/OF4.5 coexist on the machine?? I would like to experience both.
Yes. U install to another falcon folder.
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Is it the best? Is it worth it?
The only thing apart from AH that tempts me is the upcoming (?) Il-2 Battle of Britain.
All advice appreciated ;)
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Is it the best? Is it worth it?
The only thing apart from AH that tempts me is the upcoming (?) Il-2 Battle of Britain.
All advice appreciated ;)
Last night my partner and I figured out air refueling. We pulled off a simple 2 airbase strike - the first being dropping 2 B-61s at 1 base - and busting away from the blast zone opposite way in formation. Think we got around 130 kills apiece on that. Then we used BLU-107s on a runway at another base. Landing, I decided to give him the OPEC-1 arrival and really mess ATC up for him by declaring emergency next to him while he's on short final.
Yea it was fun.
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Open Falcon hates me. Don't know what I didnt do or what, but no matter what i pick to do, I ctd.
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Open Falcon hates me. Don't know what I didnt do or what, but no matter what i pick to do, I ctd.
Its full of bugs which is why I recommended F4AF.
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I have gotten 298 kills dropping a B-61 on Pyong Yang. Went back in at low level and the whole city was on fire. That will wreck your frame rates.
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Now I know Im much more a purist.
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I have Falcon 4 Allied Force.
I wouldnt mind linking up with some players for a co op strike.
There were 5 or 6 guys locally I would game with, we used to play the mission where you have to disable the airfield with Durandels with a fighter cap. Great game, you really had to watch your fuel but we'd play that til the birds were chirping.
If you are up to date with the F4AF game, there have been a lot of updates that smooth out the lags/warps for formation flight.
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Open Falcon hates me. Don't know what I didnt do or what, but no matter what i pick to do, I ctd.
Gaiden,
Give me a sktpe or teamspeak and I'll walk u through the proper settings.
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Not sure if Skuzzy will like me posting this here.
http://missionserver.16thaccw.org/
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In OF, do each plane has it's own FM, or the U2 will fly like a F16?
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SU-27 sure doesn't fly like the F-16. MIG-29 doesn't fly like the Viper either. Typhoon will burn circles around a bunch of the planes.
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I wouldnt mind linking up with some players for a co op strike.
There were 5 or 6 guys locally I would game with, we used to play the mission where you have to disable the airfield with Durandels with a fighter cap. Great game, you really had to watch your fuel but we'd play that til the birds were chirping.
I'm actually writing and quietly starting to recruit for a 48-player F4AF 2 day event hosted by gaming guild. It's built around a 2010 NK tactical engagement. Massive DCA patrols, double digit SAM SEAD raid, multiple NK armored columns blazing south. Full range of support with multiple tankers, awacs, and ew.
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In OF, do each plane has it's own FM, or the U2 will fly like a F16?
The flight models are not that of the F-16, but they're said to be "best guess". While not nearly as detailed as the F-16 models, they're decent enough for the AI to run them correctly.
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I'm actually writing and quietly starting to recruit for a 48-player F4AF 2 day event hosted by gaming guild. It's built around a 2010 NK tactical engagement. Massive DCA patrols, double digit SAM SEAD raid, multiple NK armored columns blazing south. Full range of support with multiple tankers, awacs, and ew.
Be fun to get a bunch of Falcon 4 AF folks together...and on TeamSpeak....to do some 'orientation' flights. Be re-familiar with the modes, weapons, etc.
I shot a few practice landings today....finally remembered the correct AoA and stopped augering my tailpipe into the tarmac :)
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CURSES :furious
I can't find my original Falcon 4.0 copy, only Falcon Alied Forces. AF doesn't work with OF does it?
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CURSES :furious
I can't find my original Falcon 4.0 copy, only Falcon Alied Forces. AF doesn't work with OF does it?
Check PM. Sleep time
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ty :)
How about Falcon AF + Free Falcon 5.0 + "red viper" ... whatever that is, anyone tried it? What's the diff?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwmFgfLyRXE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwmFgfLyRXE&feature=related)
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The whole idea behind F4AF was to fix all the problems with Falcon 4s stability and then make it more suitable for current computers and more accurately represent the battlefield of today and tomorrow. In the end they had a program that was very accurate and very stable and Im not sure I would mess with that by patching it with FF even if it does look pretty sweet.
Now if Lead Pursuit comes out with F5...
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Lead Pursuit is working on something but they won't even give a hint except that it is modular and won't include starforce.
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Do OF and/or FFhave all planes flyable, or only a few?
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Do OF and/or FFhave all planes flyable, or only a few?
Sorry about the glacial response - I am in the middle of an annual inspection from hell since it is freeking 10 out with the wind chill + ice. Was being blown across the ramp by the wind alone and the damn plane was weather vaning on the ice while taxing. But I digress.
On OF - all fixed wing are flyable, with the exception of some of the Russian transports, AN-2, IL78, etc.
I can't speak to FF b/c I have not installed it on my F4AF installation. Same thing with Red Viper, but i'm sure others could speak to it.
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Be fun to get a bunch of Falcon 4 AF folks together...and on TeamSpeak....to do some 'orientation' flights. Be re-familiar with the modes, weapons, etc.
I shot a few practice landings today....finally remembered the correct AoA and stopped augering my tailpipe into the tarmac :)
www.multiviper.com
They make it a pain to get registered and interview new players, but there's quite of few of them that are pretty damn sharp once you hop in the game. Flown a few missions so far raining 65d's on t80s and tank plinking with gbu's in f15e's. good stuff.
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I'll let u know about FF (Red Viper is FF), as my quest in getting F 4.0 resulted in two system reinstalls due to virusses. :cry
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Red Viper is very much the same as OF, with more an emphasis on graphics and a little less on avionics...although the avionics are still light years ahead of F4 original. You csn find wolf and I on Global Falcon's team speak a few nights a week around 9pm EST....if you need help. Just goole Global Falcon, register on their forums and the TS server info is right there. I host TE's that I have been slapping together and when wolf gets bored schooling me in 1v1 we go blow other stuff up. Come join us....my call sign on TS is Bubi.
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I have a naked female copilot in my B52 ... :rockFF ;)
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two things...Challenge....I have both and OF is far and away and improvement on AF...just as much as AF was above F4. None of the versions suck....but...Wiskey Tango Foxtrot!!!! I want a nekid female co-pilot!!!
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Last night my partner and I figured out air refueling. We pulled off a simple 2 airbase strike - the first being dropping 2 B-61s at 1 base - and busting away from the blast zone opposite way in formation. Think we got around 130 kills apiece on that. Then we used BLU-107s on a runway at another base. Landing, I decided to give him the OPEC-1 arrival and really mess ATC up for him by declaring emergency next to him while he's on short final.
Yea it was fun.
You should try the M2000-N with the ASMP missile :devil
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You should try the M2000-N with the ASMP missile :devil
Merry Christmas,
OF 4.7 update was released
http://www.f4forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11440 (http://www.f4forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11440)
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2123135
http://www.falcon4.net/couby/OF47Update.exe
http://www.vipersnest.it/home/download.asp?sezione=3
http://rapidshare.de/files/41210713/OF47Update.exe.html
http://http//rapidshare.com/files/176709832/OF47Update.exe
http://www.steekr.com/n/50-17/share/LNK29014954f930ac6c9/
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Great :rock Enjoy it, I can't <read past comment>. Anyway, let me know how the ASMP worked out for you :salute