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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Terror on April 27, 2001, 01:36:00 PM
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I know I asked this online earlier this week, but thought I would bring it up here. Since the F4U-1C and the N1K seem to be a bit unbalancing (and way over flown...as in choosen to be flown), why not apply some small perk value to these aircraft? Say 15 or 20 Perks Points (even 10)? It would discourage the "Dweebs" from going overboard with these aircraft as they often to do currently. Sometimes all you will see are N1Ks and -1Cs in the air over a field. I am sure it would create a better variety of aircraft in the air at anyone time and make life more interesting.
I myself am a N1K driver and would not mind a small fee to fly it.
Thanx for listening and commenting!!
Terror
PS. HiTech, you responded earlier that "you doubt" that these planes will be perked. I was wondering the reasoning behind this response?? Thanx man...You rock!
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The stats on the n1k don't show it to be the terror it's made out to be, neither in total numbers flown nor in k/d.
What you have is a wave of excusisms everyone has latched on to. There is no reason for them to admit failure anymore, as it is the fault of that freaking UFO uberplane (that happens to be about 15th in k/d).
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I agree with Fatty on the N1K2 and am holding out hope that the new vehicle armor model will reduce the percentage of F4U-1Cs once v1.07 is released.
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This dead horse has been kicked so much its pureed.
As more and better planes are added the chog will be flown less often.
Look at the difference 1.06 made - I see fewer chogs now, especially in the Lake Shaw map, time to drag this carcass out and bury it!
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Sorry if I "beat a dead horse". I looked through the last few days posts and didn't see much about it, so I thought it would be worth an "ask". I haven't been on these boards in months......
Why would it be such a bad thing to put a small perk on these 2 planes?
Terror
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It would only do good.
We would meet more WW2 planes, I guess (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I was just doing some browsing in the stats area...
The F4U-1C has around 150% the deaths than any other aircraft. That would mean that the plane is probably being flown more that three times as many times as any other aircraft. It has MORE that 200% the kills! Doesn't that flag to the "powers that be" that something is a bit strange with that particular aircraft? Seems a bit on the strange side to me....
The only other 2 aircraft to make 5 digit death/kill numbers are the N1K and the SpitIX.
N1K2 = 11205 kills/10922 deaths
SpitIX = 10044 kills/10695 deaths
F4U-1C = 23712 kills/16945 deaths
Terror
PS. Am I weird or something? Am I the only one to see this as strange? How do you get per aircraft totals? hmmm...Maybe I can put a suggestion in....
[This message has been edited by Terror (edited 04-27-2001).]
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Terror, same guy as -Terr- in WB's?
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Im not sure if perking will solve the monotony of seeing only 1 or 2 types of plane predominating in the arena. If we perk the chog and/or the nik, then spits will become the ones people moan about because 'there's too many' etc. Its just a fact that some plane will be more popular than others.
Besides chogs or nikis arent *that* good anyhow. they're currently out-performed by at least 3 other non-perk planes.
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Well let's simply do away with Perks period then...they apparently cannot serve a purpose.
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Originally posted by Fatty:
The stats on the n1k don't show it to be the terror it's made out to be, neither in total numbers flown nor in k/d.
Fatty :
I believe there's a lot of players that won't fly the Nik because of the FM issue , the stats won't show this .
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I got to say this , I don't have a problem at all with the Hog , it ain't no super figher plane ,or any of the
others for that matter .
But this Nik is something else again . Now I ain't got no numbers , proof or anything but my feelings on it but IMO this Nik FM is shit
There I said it , HTC sorry but it really does STINK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I ain't much of a chute shooter but lately have been doing it to each and every UFO pilot I can .
[This message has been edited by airspro (edited 04-29-2001).]
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But the claims would lead you to believe the opposite Airspro.
Frankly I don't see it. If I'm in a G2 I hope the n1k tries to turn with me. If I'm in a 109-f4 I hope the n1k tries to turn with me. If I'm in any of the spits, I hope the n1k tries to turn. If I'm in an f6f I hope he tries to turn. If I'm in a p47 I hope he tries to turn. Zero is a joke if he turns. If I'm in a 205 I hope he tries to turn.
Since beta, I've yet to see a N1k do something that can't be beat by about half the planes in here.
I have watched as more and more it's gained ground on the F4u and surpassed collision and HO whines as the second most used "only reason I died!" whine.
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Don't perk the N1k, just give it it's High engine failure rate so it flys more realistically :-)
As for the 1c, if they would just give us the f4u-4 you would not see so many 1c's :-)
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Perk the Chog/nik whine. It should take a lot of points before you can whine about the Chog or the nik.
I aint got no facts, but it feels like they whine to much about it.
[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 04-30-2001).]
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Sorry numbers don't lie, top killers are the N1k and Chog, and if you seem to not see them as much as before then you are truly blind. For one they will not have a high K/D for it is a rookie plane, and why not? Easy flight models, big guns, and tons of ammo.
I have no problem with them, just that I am getting bored everytime I up and go to a airfield and running into Chog here and N1k there and a spit 9 over there. The ones that don't want it perked are hte ones that fly them all the time and will have to learn how to fly a real model and learn to kill again.
I don't know how you all can say this is fun now? Flying against 3 planes mainly yet we have so many to choose from. Don't hand me this BS you don't see it either. total cop out and a bunch of crap. I don't care what planes they add, I jsut want to see diversity, not about being killed but diversity. I agree with Spro the FM is fuc#ed, and it has to do with those damn auto flaps.
Cry all you want about not perking planes, I hate the perk system but if any plane should be perked it is those 2. You may now insert foot in butt routine.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-30-2001).]
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The ones that don't want it perked are hte ones that fly them all the time and will have to learn how to fly a real model and learn to kill again.
That's not true. Many of us that don't want them perked rarely if ever fly them, we simply don't like the witch hunt mentality.
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Ah but the witch hunt was on for the D-9 until the numbers dropped. I think if HTC would clearly state what is going on about these 2 planes it might calm the rioters. So far the numbers are not dropping for these 2 birds, and they won't until something is done.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-01-2001).]
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Believe me, if I wanted to lobby for the D9 getting perked, a 1.5 k/d would make it quite easy.
About 4-5 months ago, 1.3 on the chog was presented as indisputable evidence it was out of hand and had to be perked.
Don't worry though, I don't want the A5 or D9 perked either.
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WINGNUT IS RIGHT!
think about it.I think the perk system would work if we used it how i 'thought' it was intended...to reduce overuse of certain superior or overused aircraft and an attempt to balance the planeset and encourage the use of the rarer type of aircraft and thus producing a more enjoyable experience.
If we dont use it to stop the f4c then i say screw using it on tempests etc.
Hell id rather see more tempests for a change, as it is, the tempest is perked and it has allowed the f4c to keep its 'easy killer' status and so all newbies etc fly it.
we know why,you can spray in enemies general direction and if it hits youve got a kill.
I dont blame a newbie for doing this sort of thing but id rather those same newbies use many different types of 'easier to kill in' aircraft.
P.S. I want the perk system and i think it will work. F4c has 25% of the kills? TIME TO PERK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).you introduced the system please use it.Ive said it before,I beleive this would be in the interest of all flyers.Those that love the f4c can still fly it and pay perks for it.
I even hereby agree to pay perks to fly the dora even though in all honesty i dont think it deserves a perk charge.Just as long as you perk the damned f4uc and i see a little less of it.
i cant say fairer than that.
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Hazed
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
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out of principle, I feel I should post something on a chog thread.
There.. I feel better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Believe me, if I wanted to lobby for the D9 getting perked, a 1.5 k/d would make it quite easy.
About 4-5 months ago, 1.3 on the chog was presented as indisputable evidence it was out of hand and had to be perked.
Don't worry though, I don't want the A5 or D9 perked either.
Ya know fatty, you might try a bit of honesty when you post ... it doesn't hurt, really (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The complaints about the CHog have never been about its k/d ratio ... and have ALWAYS been about its total percentage of kills in the arena.
I have never believed that the CHog needs to be perked. I would have preferred any option other than perking the CHog, such as removing its carrier availability.
It's the combination of speed, maneuverability, enormous guns and CV capability which make it King of the Arena - not its flying characteristics.
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Actually, they were. There was a time around 1.04 or 1.03 where the F4U had a k/d of about 1.3, and the next highest was hovering around 1.0. I think around the origin of the sfter terrain. But now that I think about it, you're right, technically, it was so far pre-perk that it was calls to have it completely removed, not perked.
I think some will regret the door this opened because it may lead to their plane being perked. Ideally I'd like to see something along Funked's idea of only the earliest planes being unperked, but I don't think we have a big enough planeset yet.
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I can take my personal stats and make them say anything I want them to; last tour I had a 15:1 k/d in the Spit V, does this warrant perking? In a larger sense the same can be said of the overall stats.
Frankly I don't know what sim some of you guys fly. The planes that scare me in the furballs are the Spits and the La7's- they are the ones that really have the ability to ruin your day in a hurry. Hawgs and Nikki's are easy to avoid if you have a little SA.
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Jekyll,
How soon we forget eh?
Fatty is right. K/D was the whine for a long time.
Check this thread in tour 7; it's full of k/d stats and comparisons.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/004718.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/004718.html)
There's some folks that just can't play without complaining about something, isn't there? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I'm already looking forward to the next "perk the _______" thread. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Why is this always allies vs Axis? F4Uc vs dora? PEOPLE the WAR IS OVER!
You hate the pilot of a niki because he likes jap planes? hate LW flyers because they of course MUST BE NAZIS if they like to fly LW planes?
Well take a look around you ......oooh german and japanese cars! ...theres your terrorists! anyone who drives em are nazis or japanese imperialists!
This is not a battle to get your enemies favourite plane perked.Its trying to encourage you to use some of the less used types like p51bs,p47s etc.
Anyone noticed how the P47 has seemed to have attracted some great flyers? This is the sort of thing i love! im seeing more p51s more p47s more la7s more 109s, whether this is because of perking f4uc or just the map we have now i dont know, this is for HTC to work out.All i know is ive seen less F4Ucs and ive had more varied fights.
WTG HTC (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
fellow flyers drop this LW/USAAF hate crap please.Its juvenille and drives people from the BBs.
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i think that old threat proved a good point
at that time, c hogs outnumbered d hogs in the arena by 10-1 which is really a bad thing imo
even before the perking of the f4u-1c i saw many more d hogs to the point where relative use of the d hog had increased many fold.
the perk system IS doing something, and something good imo.
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Why was the F4u-1C perked and not the N1K2? Seems it would only be fair to perk both...
PS. Are there any other differences between the 1C Hog and the 1D besides the armament (Cannon vs MG)?
Terror
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Terror,
The F4U-1C was perked while the N1K2 was not because the F4U-1C had twice as many kills.
The F4U-1D can carry 4 more rockets than can the 1C, otherwise they're identical (you noted the gun difference).
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak