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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nath-BDP on December 21, 2000, 07:07:00 PM
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Base your opinion on what feature you think we need the most, what would be the most practicle etc.
Please choose 3, in order from what you think we need the most.
A. Realistic gun jamming/overheating, barrel wear,included would be humidity modeling and temperatures at different altitudes that would effect how reliable the guns are.
B. Cloud layer. Some people don't understand what I mean by cloud layer so I'll explain what I'm thinking. Take a look at B17 II and you'll see a cloud layer. Or WB. Basically a layer of 2d clouds that covers large areas.
C. Ejecting brass.
D. Upgraded damage graphics/model which would show each bullet hit on the aircraft and the size of the damage would depend on the round fired. Also, bullet hits would afect lift and airflow over the airframe, for instance if you had alot of holes in your left or right wing this would affect your aircraft's ability to roll or cause it to drift.
E. Sun glare.
F. Random weather effects.
G. Realistic gun counters.
H. Non-invisible cockpit glass.
I. Smoke from guns firing.
J. More early war aircraft.
knew i forgot something
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K. Contrails.
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Nath_____
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I'd add contrails to that list.
In no particular order, I'd say (realistic) sun glare, cloud layer, and early war planes would top my list.
An updated damage model would be nice, but let's face it... AH already has a fantastic damage system, the best of any online flight sim of its type. Improving this would be icing on the cake, but it's not a priority IMO.
Gun jamming would also be nice, but gathering hard data to support it could be difficult. Given the potential subjectivity of jamming levels from gun to gun, I see a whole new world of whining developing.
-- Todd/DMF
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Cloud layer
More early war planes - tho this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with level of immersion
Contrails
AKskurj
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Contrails above 24k
Gun smoke for larger caliber weapons [37mm and up]
More early-war aircraft
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Cloud layer.
Weather, e.g. turbulance, rain and lightning.
Aircraft falling all the way to earth even after the pilot jumps.
Gun jams from overheating.
Contrails.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Cloud layer.
Weather, e.g. turbulance, rain and lightning.
Aircraft falling all the way to earth even after the pilot jumps.
Gun jams from overheating.
Contrails.
Sisu
-Karnak
Guns were more likely to jam from tryin to fire at hi g than overheat..
AKskurj
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Ok, to show that I can follow instructions (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
B. Cloud Layers
D. More Damage visualization
F. Random weather effects
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Bombs that actaully obey the laws of gravity/air resistance/movement
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well, my votedefenatly contrails and damage, that would be awsome
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C. Ejecting brass
This might come in handy if the lead point getter/ship commander keeps beaching our boats.
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Originally posted by SKurj:
Guns were more likely to jam from tryin to fire at hi g than overheat..
AKskurj
No but cook-off would be nice. Trigger happy guys would have to replane after runs because of the burnt out barrels, re-arming with the same barrels would more then likely cause a catastrophic failure, and at the very least, kill accuracy.
btw
1. Cloud layers
2. sun glare
3. accumulative G forces
4. optional correct instrumentation for each plane
5. optional (more complex) engine management
such as start up procedures and mixture, with an auto mode like we have presently
also temp. would play a pretty big part on how the reliable some of the US guns are...it's not such a big deal on the .50s, but with the amount of lubrication the US used on the 20mm shells, the geling up of the oil/grease could cause serious problems at high altitude. There's no planes in the set right now that this would effect though, because gun heaters were already installed by that point.
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Burning, falling chutes.
-Westy
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1. Sun Glare
2. 20 second ack delay for 'below radar height' field attacks
3. No icon range data within 2000 yds
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1) Clouds
2) Sun glare
3) Jamming guns from heat/maneuver
4) More effective engine management
5)
ups..only 3...
danish
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It is amazing when Nath quits bragging. I can even agree with you.
1.- Gun wear and tear. Gun jams.
2.- Engine management.
3.- Sun Glare.
4.- Weather. Overcasts, storms, rain, etc. Turbulences.
Pepe
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Hi All,
I'll go with Jekyll.
TTFN
snafu
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Almost forgot....
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YESS. Nr.1: No icon range below 2k. PLEASE. (thks Jekyll)
Pepe.
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1. Ground details. Houses, roads, rivers, long 2D Treelines.
2. Dead airplanes falling to earth, even blown up ones (just a wingless, tailless, fuselage).
3. Supply lines of trucks, trains, and cargo ships going to and from factories to bases.
Hans.
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Hey - Il-2 Sturmovik will have all of that stuff...
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Nath, you want immersion? then i think your looking up the wrong tree,,,, try this,,, host a head to head,, 1 team allied 1 team axis Turn ICONS off.. and enjoy your sweaty palms on the joystick (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
NUTTZ
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More Early Aircraft (don't think this actually fits in here somehow)
therefore - Cloud Layers
Random Weather Effects
Sun glare
Regards
Nexx
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I'd like to see enhanced damage on planes, even if AH has the best damage model on the market, it isn't perfect..
Right now any damage inflicted to any main body part remains invisible untill it just snaps off your plane.. Not very realistic eh?
If you could actually see your wing bullet ridden and parts getting loose, it would be much scaryer to wait for it to break off, instead of flying with perfect wing and just get it snapped off by the next .50
Also, the damage caused by light caliber guns should be modeled more like as loss of lift, induced drag.. wing surfaces burning etc. Hurricane is a good example of an aircraft that set fire almost immediately on first hits and then eventually lost lift completely because of burned wing coating. With this model its wing would just snap off..
-MrSiD
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A. Engine Overheating effects (including failure) due to things like continuous full throttle.
B. Improved damage model.
C. Delay for ACK to allow low level sneak attacks.
D. Elimination of OSTWIND - the most disruptive addition to the game (so far).
Sour
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1) smoking, burning AC falling to the earth after the pilot is out/dead
2) those same smoking burning wrecks on the ground burning and smoking for a period of time.
3) personally, jammed guns, arbitrary engine problems....ect... I vote no. I can imagine myself in a heated dogfight, or clearing my wingman's 6 and this happening to me..ouch. None to happy.
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1. Realistic engine overheating and damage from continuous full throttle.
2. Elimination of OSTWIND.
3. More Early war aircraft, P-40, F4F, for example.
delta
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Aircraft falling to ground after pilot eject.
Windscreen damage, oil splatter, etc.
More small debris and damage effects.
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h.) friendly big-titti USO shows
i.) a case of Old Crow fer each 5 kills
j.) an Ice box for the beer..
Screw the eye candy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sun glare.
Engine overheating.
Instrument/radio damage.
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AS i am primarily a buff pilot, i would love to see layering of clouds (yes even over targets), and weather affects. Nothing would make me happier that circling around a clouded over target at 20k until i ran out of fuel and augered. All this sun is giving me cancer scare. A return to a day AND night arena would also be great.
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Weopon and engine management would make the game more immersive form. The eye candy will kill framerate for the 1 year behind the curve guys.
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How about debris flying up from the floor of the plane under negative g?
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Slug?
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-Westy
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Originally posted by Jack55:
How about debris flying up from the floor of the plane under negative g?
its called FOD (forein object damage). It was part of the repflight inspection for the cockpit to be free of all tools, wire, whatever... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Still is in the modern day AF.
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Actually, I've changed my mind (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
1. Sun Glare
2. Aircraft type only icons within 2000yds
3. Pilot fatigue when continually pulling high G maneuvers
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Now if you wanted my NEXT 7 features, they would be (in no particular order)
4. 20 second ack delay on 'below radar height' field attacks
5. Variable size gunsights, keyed to opponent range.
6. Alternative loadouts for C47 (mortar teams, field replenishment etc)
7. Me-323 Gigant (do away with vehicle fields)
8. Cloud layers and weather effects
9. Gun barrel burnout/wear for the 'spray and prayers' (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
10. Railroad network linked to all fields, with AI trains performing resupply when fields are attacked/damaged
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I think you also misses a very important part for immersion, that would be outside sounds.
Sofar no "other" outside sounds other than the Bomb blast and the constant annoying "plink" plink" sound i hear just before i enter the tower again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
NUTTZ
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HiTech said that 'falling' dead aircraft will be included at some stage... as will sunglare I think! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nexx
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First I want to add a couple to the list from an OLD flight sim called Secret Weapons of the Luthwaffe. Oil on the windscreen when oil leaking, oil and smoke when more damaged, oil smoke and flames when close to blowing up. Form the original list I add to the above J,A,E,I,D,F,K,B,C,G,H. I would like to note we must be careful what we ask for we might get it. I think there a many real problems that these planes had we don't want to add. Here are two examples of many that I know of. First (I bet there are a few N1K1 haters that would like to add this one LOL) the late war production Japanese aircraft suffered tremendously from shortages of raw materials. Many of the planes just flat fell apart in the sky for lack of quality fasteners (bolts, rivets, etc). The designs were great but the material they had to work with was in very short supply. Second of way to many to list is the P-38. The P-38 suffered from a poor defroster system. The windscreen would frost up when it got cold. This would occur at the higher altitudes. They would literally be scraping the windscreens during a dogfight! I hope we don't add some of these realistic features. Hmmm how about a 10% chance of your "George" coming apart at any given time and a 20% chance under heavy cyclic loading. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I forgot to add that I don't think gun barrel problems would occur under most firing conditions. Maybe if you emptied the mag in a continuous burst near the end you might see a problem. At that point it wouldn't matter you'd be out of ammo.
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In No order.
1) Weather.
2) Engine Management
3) Damage
I do think that damage is essental