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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LLogann on December 11, 2008, 06:55:45 PM
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My side business is photography, so here, have a few....
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t1335_SSGMiamiMelons005.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/1335_SSGMiamiMelons005.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t1334_SSGMiamiMelons004.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/1334_SSGMiamiMelons004.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t1331_SSGMiamiMelons001.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/1331_SSGMiamiMelons001.jpg.html)
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t571_SSGPREVIEW0005.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/571_SSGPREVIEW0005.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t570_SSGPREVIEW0004.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/570_SSGPREVIEW0004.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t568_SSGPREVIEW0002.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/568_SSGPREVIEW0002.jpg.html)
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t517_SSGTheCollegeCutie0006.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/517_SSGTheCollegeCutie0006.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t529_SSGTheCollegeCutie0051.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/529_SSGTheCollegeCutie0051.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t544_SSGTheCollegeCutie0129.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/544_SSGTheCollegeCutie0129.jpg.html)
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t543_SSGTheCollegeCutie0125.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/543_SSGTheCollegeCutie0125.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t550_SSGTheCollegeCutie0169.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/550_SSGTheCollegeCutie0169.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t552_SSGTheCollegeCutie0184.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/552_SSGTheCollegeCutie0184.jpg.html)
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t234_SSGSouthBeach00047.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/234_SSGSouthBeach00047.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t230_SSGSouthBeach00012.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/230_SSGSouthBeach00012.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t239_SSGSouthBeach00091.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/239_SSGSouthBeach00091.jpg.html)
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t244_SSGSouthBeach00206.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/244_SSGSouthBeach00206.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t236_SSGSouthBeach00059.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/236_SSGSouthBeach00059.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t238_SSGSouthBeach00082.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/238_SSGSouthBeach00082.jpg.html)
And then, if you're interested in the enemy, this young lady is Iranian! She had asked me what I was doing........ I told her simply "Actually I was taking your photograph Pulchella!" "Why?" "Have you ever looked into a mirror Ms? You may just be the most beautiful young woman I have seen in years!"
She blushes, she smiles, we grabbed a drink.
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t2079_SSGSouthStreet9001.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/2079_SSGSouthStreet9001.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t2066_SSGSouthStreet9045.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/2066_SSGSouthStreet9045.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t2065_SSGSouthStreet9049.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/2065_SSGSouthStreet9049.jpg.html)
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t2061_SSGSouthStreet9064.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/2061_SSGSouthStreet9064.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t2058_SSGSouthStreet9081.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/2058_SSGSouthStreet9081.jpg.html)...(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t2056_SSGSouthStreet9096.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/2056_SSGSouthStreet9096.jpg.html)
I'm sure you can all find at least one you like!
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I'd like to see your model release forms :)
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Are you sure that Iranian is a chick and not the dude from The Crying Game?
ack-ack
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very stalkerish, but can't complain :D
chick with the knockers' fly is open lol
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I can send it to you if you're serious... But I think you're trying to make a joke about privacy.
I'd like to see your model release forms :)
So if you're a jokester.......... You might want to check out something called the US Constitution. Think about it.... You, as a citizen, have limited privacy rights when you are in public. Think paparazzi.
:salute
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Are you sure that Iranian is a chick and not the dude from The Crying Game?
ack-ack
LOL!!!
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I saww quite a few that I liked but the one that stood out to me is the one with the 3 girls in one photo. This kind of stood out to me because at first I thought I saw a "part" in the section where the legs meet at on the one in blue. I then looked a little closer and now I think she decided to drip dry or you stopped her on her way to the bathroom. Of course it could be a little less shaven in there than the rest of her.
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cute but creeper status
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You are GWC not photographer.
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Nobody calls you an idiot right? So why do you assume things here?
Actually..... I own a company.... http://www.snapshotzllc.com Who do you work for?
Good for you knowing that term though..... You go to MM to check out girls, is that right?
You are GWC not photographer.
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So, you own camera and know how to point it an the subject not hurting yourself.
You own a webspace, and thats all.
Still GWC for me.
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Good for you. Stand strong. Me? I'm pretty comfortable making the money I make and reading dumboscar posts from you! Keep it up! Good job.
So, you own camera and know how to point it an the subject not hurting yourself.
You own a webspace, and thats all.
Still GWC for me.
Can't wait for the next one Internet ToughGuy. (We all know what you look like)
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<cocky mode on>
As for photography, you are not my league.
<cocky mode off>
and it would be nice if you clean your sensor time to time, its shame to put in portfolio picture with spots on it. Actually, it was only picture on your website i like for color and composition.
Did you let anyone review your website before publishing?
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Whatever happened to good looking hookers? :eek:
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Are you sure that Iranian is a chick and not the dude from The Crying Game?
ack-ack
:rofl
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photography and websites are our specialty
fixed :D
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Wow, that first chick in the pink top has huge breast, nice. :O
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Are you sure that Iranian is a chick and not the dude from The Crying Game?
ack-ack
She kinda reminds me of the chick from Total Recall.
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Sheesh...
They're ALL SO UGLY !!
Where is the real beauty these days ?
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The Iranian chick looks like she has a little butt in her forehead on the first 3 pics.
Also anyone else notice how big her eyes are. :O
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Don't let Ramzey get you down man, he's Polish and doesn't understand the meaning of the word "tact". He's also a darn good photographer, so ignore the (probably) unintended nastiness and accept it as constructive criticism.
Just so you know, he did the same thing to me when I posted some kitchen reno shots and he wasn't all wrong on what he said...it is just the way he says it sometimes.
:)
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No problem here they all look good from my house...... :D :salute
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:salute I don't sweat the small stuff brother, but thanks for the kind words. Personally, until the Pole shows us some of his work....... I don't really care much about what he says. It's easy for a tough guy to be like that on the web. After 5 replies though, you'd figure he'd back up the crap he's talking with a photograph or two.
Don't let Ramzey get you down man, he's Polish and doesn't understand the meaning of the word "tact". He's also a darn good photographer, so ignore the (probably) unintended nastiness and accept it as constructive criticism.
Just so you know, he did the same thing to me when I posted some kitchen reno shots and he wasn't all wrong on what he said...it is just the way he says it sometimes.
:)
Now, on a separate note...... Creepy? Well, depends how you look at it. For instance... I could have put up some shots of men walking down the street... But I highly doubt that anybody would be interested seeing those. The creepy idea then makes any PJ anywhere, creepy. But forget the journalistic aspect of it, let's just call it what it is..... Candid Street Photography. Shooting the salt of the Earth. Finding the real people with real emotion. And let's not kid ourselves..... YOU ALL DO IT. With your cute little camera phones, don't lie! And, quite honestly, there is a fine line between the art of candid shooting and voyeur photography. The candid community does not try and shoot up some girls skirt, that is, first of all, illegal, and second, an invasion of privacy. The street shooter looks for emotion in the subject, captures a pretty smile, records the non-verbal between husband and wife........ That's the candid art form.
Not to mention the fact that if the Pole was a photog, in a metropolitan area, she'd know that she could be doing the paparazzi route with regular people. (NYC - we charge $1200.00 for a 4 hour follow... And that is actually cheap) People, these days, pay money to have a photog follow them around and take candid style shots of them. Makes them feel special or some crap, I'm really not sure. I have had people go up to my client and ask for their autograph. LOL
Did I mention I am still waiting for a sample of your great work ramzey? Come on girl, don't make me wait.
And oh yeah....... dust........ Why on earth would I care about retouching images that would never be sold or used for anything else then trying to make a few AH'ers happy with viewing? Unlike you, I work. Unlike you, I leave the house.
SORRY SORRY......... I'm done with being a jerk.
Ramzey.... In a nutshell.... You can think/type anything your heart desires. In the end, your critique does not effect my bottom line. And quite honestly, I doubt you shoot... Until you show me of course!
Love You!!! :rock
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photography and websites are our specialty
fixed :D
Yeah isn't that what it should say?
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Oh Geez........ It is now. LOL
fixed :D
I don't write the code, that is a staff person....... Who just got the rest of the day off.
(Sad truth, that's been like that since Sept..... DOH)
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I wish i knew what GWC stood for so i knew why ramzey is offending you :uhoh
side note i'm a bit of a photographer myself, nothin fancy but being here in florida you get alot of good natural things to take pictures of, sunsets, gators, osprey, eagles, doplphins, manatees, etc etc.
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It's a term used on sites like Model Mayhem.... Guy With Camera. With the advent of digital technology there are alot of people out there claiming to be pro photog's.
I wish i knew what GWC stood for so i knew why ramzey is offending you :uhoh
side note i'm a bit of a photographer myself, nothin fancy but being here in florida you get alot of good natural things to take pictures of, sunsets, gators, osprey, eagles, doplphins, manatees, etc etc.
The abbreviation I used... PJ..... Photo Journalist.
And don't kid yourself bro, whether you realize it or not, you get fancier every time you go out. You might read an article on DPReview and want to go try something new. You might have a convo with some shooter at the same event and gives you insight on something new. I've been shooting for a little over 20 years and I can honestly say every day is a day that I get a little better, maybe a little different, perhaps even a subtle change in the theories/styles I use in photography.
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The important thing as any type of professional artist (or even those who do it as a hobby) is to continue to try something new and expand your borders. IMO, you stop being an artist when you find one way to produce your 'art' the same way over and over again. *See Terry Redlin sunset paintings
As a graphic designer, I'm always trying to find inspiration wherever I look. That being another artist's work, or common day things in life.
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well cool thank you for the support, i took one picture in particular i'm espcially proud of, if you dont mind i'd like to send it to you and get some feedback.
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Sent you a PM. :salute
well cool thank you for the support, i took one picture in particular i'm espcially proud of, if you dont mind i'd like to send it to you and get some feedback.
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That first pic you have on your website under "Landscapes" of the setting sun is really amazing. :aok
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The important thing as any type of professional artist (or even those who do it as a hobby) is to continue to try something new and expand your borders. IMO, you stop being an artist when you find one way to produce your 'art' the same way over and over again. *See Terry Redlin sunset paintings
As a graphic designer, I'm always trying to find inspiration wherever I look. That being another artist's work, or common day things in life.
Very well said :aok
I will post some nasty and not kind answer to this GWC posts later, i have other things to do now.
Curval, thank you. Love you man
I don't have website, portfolio, dont own photography business, and dont call myself photographers.
Im not ready yet.
But i can tell who is GWC and who not.
3 of 11 frames i take 2 weeks ago on the beach.
Swoop deserve good pictures not crappy lurking perv so called "candid's"
(http://www.peterphotographs.com/galleries/daniel1.jpg)
(http://www.peterphotographs.com/galleries/danielle2.jpg)
(http://www.peterphotographs.com/galleries/danielle3.jpg)
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Ok, you guys gotta start putting up phone numbers with these. :p
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Too bad your exposure is all over the place. LOL
What kind of camera? You shot these in manual or aV?
No EXIF data.......... But me neither.
So you want to battle bro?
I can do that. Today is FSO, you'll have to wait until tomorrow.
Love You Peter! (You have a funny name for a girl)
All kidding aside......
Quite honestly, provided these are yours, they are superb, maybe one day I want to hire you.... Where are you? San Jose for real? One day in January maybe we should have lunch. That is if you want to have lunch with a so-called GWC that pays well. No, don't live there but I have no problem flying out for lunch. Put me to the test!!!
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I see a potential Purse Fight brewing. :noid :uhoh
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Too bad your exposure is all over the place. LOL
rotflamo
all are exposed correct, PP style vary
What kind of camera? You shot these in manual or aV?
DSLR(is that not obvious?), before you ask again brand is Nikon. Real man's shoot only with nikon, ask Ripsnort :P
Have you ever try to shoot strobes on AV?
Anyway its not camera , its man who hold it.........
No EXIF data.......... But me neither.
So you want to battle bro?
Battle? lol , i think you lost it allread
Love You Peter! (You have a funny name for a girl)
:rofl
All kidding aside......
Quite honestly, provided these are yours, they are superb, maybe one day I want to hire you.... Where are you? San Jose for real? One day in January maybe we should have lunch. That is if you want to have lunch with a so-called GWC that pays well. No, don't live there but I have no problem flying out for lunch. Put me to the test!!!
I don't test you, only improve your pictures (and website as well)
Have to warn you, im 6,3, 230 lbs and I shoot better then FunkedUp.
Also i don't kiss on first date
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I'm only 6 foot...... But trained by OSI..........
So needless to say, I got you with one eye closed........
Something tells me we're gonna be good friends
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I'm only 6 foot...... But trained by ONI..........
So needless to say, I got you with one eye closed........
Something tells me we're gonna be good friends
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hey you want to hire a field photographer I'm willing (esp if alot of them end with girls having a drink with you as you described), loads of hot women here in south florida :devil
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You know I like them without a lot tatoos as well. Tatoos hide the beauty (Like someone else said).
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You know I like them without a lot tatoos as well. Tatoos hide the beauty (Like someone else said).
The flip side to that is tattoos hide the ugly too. :D
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nevermind.
:rolleyes:
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Heck llogann, I do not mind the eye candi... keep it up :D
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ok I gotta ask WTF is GWC ??? :huh
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You sure about that? Also..... Looks like you're using an auto white balance. That's part of your exposure problem. Clouds roll in changing the color temp, you change your angles, she moves 5ft to the left, basically anything like that, in auto, will cause big changes. Get yourself a gray card, you'll see the difference immediately.
all are exposed correct, PP style vary
Here you go pal….
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/i2260_danielle2.jpg)
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/i2259_20081213danielle2.jpg)
So what were you saying again?
THIS IS CLASSIC!!!
DSLR(is that not obvious?)
Be weary of the GWC. When you are speaking with a photographer you have never work with before, know what questions to ask. A surefire way to ask about experience is to ask what kind of camera they use. An answer such as “We shoot with the Canon line” or “a Nikon D3 and a Hasselblad H3DII-39” are the correct responses. Anybody that tells you they have a dSLR or instead of telling you the brand, just mention how many megapixels it is, is a clear sign that they are barely an amateur and totally a GWC.
Yes silly...... Why wouldn't I? But I do know why you dont........... You have to go into the custom functions and set aV to shoot at 250 shutter. That will fix your problems using strobes in aV.... BUT... Why did you even say that? You brought strobes to the beach?
Have you ever try to shoot strobes on AV?
Thank you sir! It’s nice to hear!
Heck llogann, I do not mind the eye candi... keep it up :D
Have a few more of Eve…
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t859_SSGCollegeCutieSamples0012.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/859_SSGCollegeCutieSamples0012.jpg.html)… (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t857_SSGCollegeCutieSamples0010.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/857_SSGCollegeCutieSamples0010.jpg.html)… (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/t820_SSGCollegeCutieSamples00005.jpg) (http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/view.php/820_SSGCollegeCutieSamples00005.jpg.html)
It's a derogatory term referring to your neighbor who buys a decent camera and then calls themselves a photographer.... (Guy With Camera)
ok I gotta ask WTF is GWC ??? :huh
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That Iranian chick has a nice face but the eyes.. You can't look at those eyes without thinking the only head she'll give you is BEhead.
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Thnks llogan. guess im a GWC or better yet a PWC=perve with camera :O lol
nice pics tho. dunfortuantly my wife doesnt agree with opinion :confused:
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You sure about that? Also..... Looks like you're using an auto white balance. That's part of your exposure problem. Clouds roll in changing the color temp, you change your angles, she moves 5ft to the left, basically anything like that, in auto, will cause big changes. Get yourself a gray card, you'll see the difference immediately.Here you go pal….
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/i2260_danielle2.jpg)
(http://www.candidz.com/snapshotz/images.php/i2259_20081213danielle2.jpg)
So what were you saying again?
3 pictures same pose, 3 different variants of PP. I was going for "cold" look in this one.
What did you not understand?
Gray card? sure when i like to have correct skin tones. That was not point due conditions outside.
Anyway does not matter when you going to bump skin tones in PP for more glamor look.
THIS IS CLASSIC!!!
Yes silly...... Why wouldn't I? But I do know why you dont........... You have to go into the custom functions and set aV to shoot at 250 shutter. That will fix your problems using strobes in aV.... BUT... Why did you even say that? You brought strobes to the beach?
Thank you sir! It’s nice to hear!
what for if shooting manual is more comfortable for me?
As for strobes, AB1600 with beauty dish, vagabound. Ever saw one? :P
As for camera, D3 is nice camera i even hold one once. Never saw H2, only on internet pictures. Cant afford any of those. Not 4.5k D3 nor 40k$ H2.
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Can't you guys get a room?
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Yeah I used to have an Alien Bees set. These days I have a few Tungsten Arrisoft 2000's & Altman HMI's. Next will be replacing my dead set of Hensel Batt powered.
And you got that right about the Mediums....... I love to hate them simply due to the price. What I'd reallylike to see is more of the rental houses start renting Mediums. Most don't. Place like LensDepot actually only rents Canon & Nikon.
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Hard to take thius outside studio........
so show us now some good pictures
(http://peterphotographs.smugmug.com/photos/434491563_sT2qf-L.jpg)
(http://peterphotographs.smugmug.com/photos/434912579_NX9Wa-XL.jpg)
(http://peterphotographs.smugmug.com/photos/434490765_dmcho-XL.jpg)
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hmph :P
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I should go get some of my photography and put it all up, what sucks is that its all black and white film which kindamakes it hard to upload
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Greycard, GWC,PWC,DWC. This is all very confusing. And there was a change in the sky in the Babe photo? What sky, I didnt see any sky.
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And then, if you're interested in the enemy, this young lady is Iranian! She had asked me what I was doing........ I told her simply "Actually I was taking your photograph Pulchella!" "Why?" "Have you ever looked into a mirror Ms? You may just be the most beautiful young woman I have seen in years!"
She blushes, she smiles, we grabbed a drink.
Logan, I want to ask the burning question that is all on our minds with this...did you get some at the end of the night?
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well cool thank you for the support, i took one picture in particular i'm espcially proud of, if you dont mind i'd like to send it to you and get some feedback.
Oh, HELL NOES!!!11 You gotta post it here and suffer the inevitable abuse, dood! :)
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Oh, HELL NOES!!!11 You gotta post it here and suffer the inevitable abuse, dood! :)
lol thats fine llogan liked it, i just dont have any way of hosting it
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lol thats fine llogan liked it, i just dont have any way of hosting it
oh, come on
http://www.imageshack.us/
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ok, well ramsey be kind, because i am just a "gwc"
this is the full sized image, the one i posted here is resized http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9339/dscn0352zv7.jpg
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6113/dscn0352cn8.jpg)
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ok, well ramsey be kind, because i am just a "gwc"
this is the full sized image, the one i posted here is resized http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9339/dscn0352zv7.jpg
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6113/dscn0352cn8.jpg)
Where's the babe at???? You just downgraded this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kidding...I like that pic looks like a post card
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These aren't bad at all dude! :aok
Hard to take thius outside studio........
so show us now some good pictures
LOL..... Sadly, no, I never crap where I eat, if you know what I mean. Now that was 2 years ago, and although I had to hoped to get together with her again and do some studio work, it hasn't happened. So in hindsight......... Every now and again, if you have the shot, maybe you should take it............ :uhoh
Logan, I want to ask the burning question that is all on our minds with this...did you get some at the end of the night?
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I don't get you, you hit models you shoot???????????? :O
I was asking about any good pictures...........
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This Thread is what happens when Hitech takes away the politics.
An argument over photography...seriously? I hear the the hills up around Brokeback Mountain need their pictures taken.
Correct me if I'm wrong... but you're all Guys With Cameras. And, Logan, I hope you have releases for all those pictures you upped on here. Yes, constitutionally you give up some freedom and have the possibility of being photographed, when in public. Yet, if you as a business use pictures of individuals without their knowledge and consent, you are defrauding them of any royalties you earn from their use.
But of course, you already knew that. You already act like you know everything.
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This Thread is what happens when Hitech takes away the politics.
An argument over photography...seriously? I hear the the hills up around Brokeback Mountain need their pictures taken.
Correct me if I'm wrong... but you're all Guys With Cameras. And, Logan, I hope you have releases for all those pictures you upped on here. Yes, constitutionally you give up some freedom and have the possibility of being photographed, when in public. Yet, if you as a business use pictures of individuals without their knowledge and consent, you are defrauding them of any royalties you earn from their use.
But of course, you already knew that. You already act like you know everything.
didnt your mother ever tell you, if you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all
if youre not interested in photography dont read this thread
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I see a potential Purse Fight brewing. :noid :uhoh
Yeah but those pictures put Ramzey ahead by a long shot and without the "creepiness, pervert stalker" vibe you get from Llogan's candid shots.
ack-ack
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Look dude, I don't hit anybody, especially not a woman. So here is my thing....Until you get somebody to proofread your typing, I'm just going ignore you a little bit more. I even tried to be nice to you and say those were nice. But in truth, you clearly know nothing about retouching your photos.
Oh and if "hit" means what I think you mean.... Then you don't read English all that well either.
One more thing..... When you don't use the correct terms, you look like the GWC you are. Nobody says PP...... It's called "Post" Learn it, live it, know it..... FOOL!
I don't get you, you hit models you shoot???????????? :O
I was asking about any good pictures...........
You're wrong. So now you know that. :aok You do have a half truth in there however..... Royalties..... But that would also imply I am selling something, no? So that is why you are still wrong. It was a good try though.
And the other comment is so untrue.... I know nothing about Quantum Physics. And I wouldn't try to sound like I did. :aok
Correct me if I'm wrong... And, Logan, I hope you have releases for all those pictures you upped on here. Yes, constitutionally you give up some freedom and have the possibility of being photographed, when in public. Yet, if you as a business use pictures of individuals without their knowledge and consent, you are defrauding them of any royalties you earn from their use.
But of course, you already knew that. You already act like you know everything.
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and the story develops (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFtHFzPNPv8)