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Title: 262
Post by: MaSonZ on December 13, 2008, 09:23:50 PM
Sicne the update came out, i been losin 262's to all sorts of bullets rather easily (and i mean like 2 .50's at most...just lost one to 1 .50). I heard that HTC strengthened the wings up, but it seems that the vert stab is real soft...

Wondering if anyone else noticed this
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Steel on December 13, 2008, 09:27:03 PM
     Just because you only see one hit sprite doesn't mean you were hit with 1 bullet. I get the feeling a hit sprite is flashed for every 10-20 bullets for 50 cal. The larger rounds are less numerous and I think what you see is what you get.

Steel
Title: Re: 262
Post by: kilz on December 13, 2008, 09:36:58 PM
hit sprits happen every time a bullet lands on a target. however you do not see what your emy sees on your end. you will never see how many rounds actually hit you unless you go back and look at film viewer. still you will not see all of the shots taken, but you will see more then you did while fighting.  :salute
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Lusche on December 13, 2008, 09:44:28 PM
Sicne the update came out, i been losin 262's to all sorts of bullets rather easily (and i mean like 2 .50's at most...just lost one to 1 .50). I heard that HTC strengthened the wings up, but it seems that the vert stab is real soft...

Wondering if anyone else noticed this

Overall arena wide K/D of the 262 has dropped considerably after the update. I got curious and was looking up the numbers after suddenly loosing 262's at an alarming rate ;)

Numbers seem to indicate that the 262 is suffering particulary when attacking bombers now compared to the time before the update - which could lead to the conclusion that indeed the 262 is even  less able to take damage now than before.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Husky01 on December 13, 2008, 10:02:38 PM
     Just because you only see one hit sprite doesn't mean you were hit with 1 bullet. I get the feeling a hit sprite is flashed for every 10-20 bullets for 50 cal. The larger rounds are less numerous and I think what you see is what you get.

Steel
Edit: Never mind haha
Title: Re: 262
Post by: MaSonZ on December 13, 2008, 10:34:36 PM
Overall arena wide K/D of the 262 has dropped considerably after the update. I got curious and was looking up the numbers after suddenly loosing 262's at an alarming rate ;)

Numbers seem to indicate that the 262 is suffering particulary when attacking bombers now compared to the time before the update - which could lead to the conclusion that indeed the 262 is even  less able to take damage now than before.
even though it couldmean, as you said, I feel it takes significantly less rounds to kill one. maybe by chance one of the HTC members will swing by and shed light on me about this.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Spikes on December 13, 2008, 10:35:02 PM
I lost my vert stab to a few 50's a week or so ago.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: BiPoLaR on December 13, 2008, 11:20:07 PM
i dont get in one unless i plane on ramming something at 600 mph or augering  :D :furious
Title: Re: 262
Post by: MaSonZ on December 13, 2008, 11:23:09 PM
i dont get in one unless i plane on ramming something at 600 mph or augering  :D :furious
:rofl
Title: Re: 262
Post by: drdeathx on December 14, 2008, 01:29:59 AM
blah.....blah......blah......

(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq77/AAdeath/2842888045_e91b82a53b.jpg)
Title: Re: 262
Post by: RoGenT on December 14, 2008, 07:13:53 PM
Overall arena wide K/D of the 262 has dropped considerably after the update. I got curious and was looking up the numbers after suddenly loosing 262's at an alarming rate ;)

Numbers seem to indicate that the 262 is suffering particulary when attacking bombers now compared to the time before the update - which could lead to the conclusion that indeed the 262 is even  less able to take damage now than before.


If that is true, i'm going to have fun shooting up 262s when I return  :rock
Title: Re: 262
Post by: B4Buster on December 14, 2008, 07:17:37 PM
Seem just as tough to me, within the past 2 days, I've been in a jug, dove on a 262, and doing 500+, the 262 flopped his plane all around, and didn't lose any flying surfaces. I think they should be even softer, I would imagine that in real life, had a 262 flopped around like these two guys did, the wings would have ripped right off.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: phatzo on December 14, 2008, 07:22:45 PM
the 262 should be easy to kill if you hit it, as it was in rl. But it was mainly the engines 1 round of 303 could take out a 262 engine
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Lusche on December 14, 2008, 07:45:39 PM
Seem just as tough to me, within the past 2 days, I've been in a jug, dove on a 262, and doing 500+, the 262 flopped his plane all around, and didn't lose any flying surfaces. I think they should be even softer, I would imagine that in real life, had a 262 flopped around like these two guys did, the wings would have ripped right off.

The problem is, unless there happened something dramatic, anecdotal references does help only so far. Of course this goes both ways. When I suddenly started to lose 262 after 262, it could very well have been just bad luck. And probably it just is ;)

But this are the total 262 K/Ds for the last 24 months, whole LW arena

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8094/clipboard01ga5.jpg)

It's not proving anything, but the sudden drop in K/D after update makes me wonder...



Title: Re: 262
Post by: Spikes on December 14, 2008, 07:51:59 PM
the 262 should be easy to kill if you hit it, as it was in rl. But it was mainly the engines 1 round of 303 could take out a 262 engine
Yep, cause there isn't any protection to the jet engines hanging off the wings saying shoot me...compared to a prop engine that is encased in the plane.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Xasthur on December 14, 2008, 08:37:18 PM
I'd say it's more the nature of the jet engine, don't you think?

You can run a piston engine for a while when it's hemorrhaging oil and only running on half its cylinders but a 262 engine is a little different. Damage any one of those blades and the whole thing destroys itself. Receiving an oil hit in a 262 is probably incredibly lucky, I'd say.

Title: Re: 262
Post by: MaSonZ on December 14, 2008, 08:39:30 PM
In my OP, i forgot to mention that i was losing them to lost vert stabs. not engines as i see many talking about.  :salute
Title: Re: 262
Post by: LYNX on December 14, 2008, 08:47:13 PM
The problem is, unless there happened something dramatic, anecdotal references does help only so far. Of course this goes both ways. When I suddenly started to lose 262 after 262, it could very well have been just bad luck. And probably it just is ;)

But this are the total 262 K/Ds for the last 24 months, whole LW arena

(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8094/clipboard01ga5.jpg)

It's not proving anything, but the sudden drop in K/D after update makes me wonder...


Could this be due to the newer version being harder see from in forward view?
Title: Re: 262
Post by: phatzo on December 14, 2008, 08:48:19 PM
sory for the mild hi jack masonz but flame outs and engine hits were the real life killers of 262
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Lusche on December 14, 2008, 09:14:22 PM
Could this be due to the newer version being harder see from in forward view?

Could be. It's definitely more difficult to attack buffs from off angles now.

On the other hand, my 262 seem to be much more prone to go boom from even the slightest damage, but again that is a very subjective experience
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Banshee7 on December 14, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
Since the update, the wings have improved, the engine damage is realistic...but one or two rounds (especially .50s) will knock off a WHOLE TAIL SECTION of a 262.  A buddy and I winged in 262s and the same thing happened to both...1 or 2 ping sounds and BOOm....no tail.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: ColKLink on December 15, 2008, 05:26:55 AM
I lost a motor to a single ping, (that i heard),,, good thing I'm such a uber 262 pile it, I ran like the wind, and landed her...... No I still won't turn fight your spit in one. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Getback on December 15, 2008, 09:08:27 AM
Buffs seem to have stronger guns this days. That's not a complaint btw as I am in buffs quite a bit. However it could be that my connection and setup are better. Hence no rubber bullets. In one day I took out 2 rook 262s. Now that is rare for me and no I'm not bragging. Killed one that I thought I only took out an engine but he pm'd me and said I took off his wing. Was surprised even though I pinged him steady for a good period of time in ping terms and right around the wing joint.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Elfie on December 15, 2008, 09:31:06 AM
Buffs seem to have stronger guns this days. That's not a complaint btw as I am in buffs quite a bit. However it could be that my connection and setup are better. Hence no rubber bullets. In one day I took out 2 rook 262s. Now that is rare for me and no I'm not bragging. Killed one that I thought I only took out an engine but he pm'd me and said I took off his wing. Was surprised even though I pinged him steady for a good period of time in ping terms and right around the wing joint.

You never had rubber bullets in AH. Packets containing hit information gets sent over and over until the server receives them.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: Anaxogoras on December 15, 2008, 09:32:39 AM
...the 262 is suffering particulary when attacking bombers now compared to the time before the update - which could lead to the conclusion that indeed the 262 is even  less able to take damage now than before.

I said the same thing after the update, but no one believed me. :P  Though my deaths were magic bullets to the head doing 500mph in a slashing attacks on bomber formations. :noid

The forward view on the 262 is inferior to the previous one.
Title: Re: 262
Post by: MaSonZ on December 15, 2008, 10:29:17 PM
sory for the mild hi jack masonz but flame outs and engine hits were the real life killers of 262
no worries sir.


Since the update, the wings have improved, the engine damage is realistic...but one or two rounds (especially .50s) will knock off a WHOLE TAIL SECTION of a 262.  A buddy and I winged in 262s and the same thing happened to both...1 or 2 ping sounds and BOOm....no tail.
how i been losin em for past...ohh...2 or 3 tours that i flown em in since update.

Im not whining about the damage model on it, i actually like that HTC is trying to make small little tweaks here and there on planes to make it more "realistic". As close as im gonna be to flyin for a while... but the tail is extremely soft.