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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: C h e c k S i x on December 14, 2008, 07:33:41 PM
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I'm guessing this will hold true for most multi-engine aircraft,
but I am mainly curious about the 38 since
its one of my favorite rides. Do you veteran 38 drivers ever
bring one of the engines to idle while the other is full power to turn better?
C h e c k S i x
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Throttle work is key with it if you want to turn. I'm not one to speak really... I fly it a lot but I'm nowhere near good in it. Some people have dual throttle so they cut one throttle to turn better. Sometimes I chop throttle to 50% or so if I think it will help.
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Yeah I have two throttles and I was experimenting in
bringing one to idle but have yet to do it in a combat
situation. Thanks for the input SpikesX <S>
C h e c k S i x
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Yeah I have two throttles and I was experimenting in
bringing one to idle but have yet to do it in a combat
situation. Thanks for the input SpikesX <S>
C h e c k S i x
No problem. Someone will be along soon to elaborate on it more...but I think if you cut the inner one in the direction you're turning, your turning circle closes a little. So for instance, you get in a turn fight turning hard right, chop your right engine and your turning circle closes.
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Throttle work is key with it if you want to turn. I'm not one to speak really... I fly it a lot but I'm nowhere near good in it. Some people have dual throttle so they cut one throttle to turn better. Sometimes I chop throttle to 50% or so if I think it will help.
Throttle work is not the key to turning the P-38, the flaps and rudders are the key to turning the P-38. You can jockey the throttle all you want but it's not going to be the key to turning the P-38 as tight as some of the experienced Lightning drivers do.
As for dual throttles, in some cases they do have their uses but by and large it's basically just an immersion factor. Going against someone using a dual throttle while you use a single throttle is not going to automatically put you at a disadvantage. I used to use a dual throttle and after a few months went back to my Pro Throttle. The only reason why I'm thinking of going back to using a dual throttle is for immersion reasons only and not because it will give me some self-perceived edge (which it won't). Anyway, as all things with life, YMMV.
ack-ack
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I'm not really one to speak either, but the way I see it the only way cutting power to the inner engine would help turning would be if you're not in a completely flat turn, such as when you're at very low speeds and trying to turn and stay airborn at the same time. However even then it would seem to make your horizontal angle sort of pointless if all you do is yaw more towards the ground.
I've flown the 38 to the max and back, but I have little experience when it comes to experimenting with the engines like that as I'm usualy in a position where I don't have time to switch between them.
Throttle work is not the key to turning the P-38, the flaps and rudders are the key to turning the P-38. You can jockey the throttle all you want but it's not going to be the key to turning the P-38 as tight as some of the experienced Lightning drivers do.
As for dual throttles, in some cases they do have their uses but by and large it's basically just an immersion factor. Going against someone using a dual throttle while you use a single throttle is not going to automatically put you at a disadvantage. I used to use a dual throttle and after a few months went back to my Pro Throttle. The only reason why I'm thinking of going back to using a dual throttle is for immersion reasons only and not because it will give me some self-perceived edge (which it won't). Anyway, as all things with life, YMMV.
ack-ack
There ya go :aok
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I have a Saitek Av8r-01 fight stick (dual throttles) I never jockey the throttle in any flat turns. I use it for: Helping me make snapshots, (along with rudder), at the top of hammer heads, to roll my plane over faster (ex: on a merge), and in a rolling scissor. It would just hinder your perfomance in a flat turn (IMO) to cut power in one. as Akak said, flaps are key, when I fight, I get the guy as low and slow as I can, that's the 38's "playground" (quoted from Hajo).
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I never used dual throttle. As AKAK stated earlier it's all about flaps and rudder. Two rudders > one rudder for sure!
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I never used dual throttle. As AKAK stated earlier it's all about flaps and rudder. Two rudders > one rudder for sure!
Does help with your rolling scissors though, just takes a little getting used to
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I want pawz's input here........ :confused:
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I want pawz's input here........ :confused:
:huh
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nevermind, you lost any respect, how ever little I had.
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:huh
lol.
nevermind, you lost any respect, how ever little I had.
double lol.
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Throttle work is not the key to turning the P-38, the flaps and rudders are the key to turning the P-38. You can jockey the throttle all you want but it's not going to be the key to turning the P-38 as tight as some of the experienced Lightning drivers do.
As for dual throttles, in some cases they do have their uses but by and large it's basically just an immersion factor. Going against someone using a dual throttle while you use a single throttle is not going to automatically put you at a disadvantage. I used to use a dual throttle and after a few months went back to my Pro Throttle. The only reason why I'm thinking of going back to using a dual throttle is for immersion reasons only and not because it will give me some self-perceived edge (which it won't). Anyway, as all things with life, YMMV.
ack-ack
That pretty much sums it up. Dual throttle is useful for spin avoidance and recovery. It is novel for inducing an intentional spin to reverse under some stall conditions, but other than that there's not really an advantage to it.
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Throttle work is not the key to turning the P-38, the flaps and rudders are the key to turning the P-38. You can jockey the throttle all you want but it's not going to be the key to turning the P-38 as tight as some of the experienced Lightning drivers do.
As for dual throttles, in some cases they do have their uses but by and large it's basically just an immersion factor. Going against someone using a dual throttle while you use a single throttle is not going to automatically put you at a disadvantage. I used to use a dual throttle and after a few months went back to my Pro Throttle. The only reason why I'm thinking of going back to using a dual throttle is for immersion reasons only and not because it will give me some self-perceived edge (which it won't). Anyway, as all things with life, YMMV.
ack-ack
Yeah, kinda figured some that is P38-smart would come and put me in my place. :)
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Didn't think light bombers could turn... :O
:noid
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I'm not at all gifted in the 38 but what I do know is that the good 38 drivers almost never flat turn it. Using flaps, rudder and the correct verticals make the thing dance...here's a good example from later last night.
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/205and38.ahf
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I have a Saitek Av8r-01 fight stick (dual throttles)
Same stick I use, and from my personal experiance, cutting power to inner engine helps you roll a smidge, but it's mostly your rudder and flaps that gets you turnin. IMO, dual throttle works best for controllin your aircraft on the runway. :aok
Didn't think light bombers could turn... :O
:noid
That, my friend, was a shot below the belt. :lol
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I'm not at all gifted in the 38 but what I do know is that the good 38 drivers almost never flat turn it. Using flaps, rudder and the correct verticals make the thing dance...here's a good example from later last night.
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/205and38.ahf
I have that one on film... http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/film52_0245.ahf
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Humble I disagree, I flat turn mine whenever the opportunity arises, it does an excellent job in the flat turn.
cutting power to inner engine helps you roll a smidge
...to roll my plane over faster (ex: on a merge), and in a rolling scissor.
Riiight, what I said :aok
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I have that one on film... http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/film52_0245.ahf
Very interesting to watch, I dont get to see myself from the other side enough. I lost you in my 6 looking at the A5, didnt even hear the shots ...
Lost you at the bottom later and couldnt find you, saw the other 38 but it was in the wrong place to be you, in film I actually have you in views for a swc but didnt see you IRL. After the fact I was a bit curious if I guessed wrong trying to knuckle under...but from your film I think that was an even easier shot then the one I ended up giving you. Looking at it after the fact I feel like I took the fight back way to quickly but you killed me earlier when I tried to use a climbing cutback on you.
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nice fight guys, snaphook you hung in there quite a while against a superior plane IMO
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Humble I disagree, I flat turn mine whenever the opportunity arises, it does an excellent job in the flat turn.
Riiight, what I said :aok
The only time it's advisable to flat turn in a P-38 is when you're against a poorer turning aircraft. If you manage to out 'flat-turn' someone in a P-38 and they are in a better turning aircraft, you just ran into someone that isn't very experienced and is probably flying with stall-limiter on. The fact is, in the flat turn the P-38 is very poor in this regard, the P-38's turning strength is in the vertical, using vertical turns to acheive an angle on the target by using said vertical turns to get inside the turns of the better turning aircraft. But as will all things, YMMV.
ack-ack
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The only time it's advisable to flat turn in a P-38 is when you're against a poorer turning aircraft. If you manage to out 'flat-turn' someone in a P-38 and they are in a better turning aircraft, you just ran into someone that isn't very experienced and is probably flying with stall-limiter on. The fact is, in the flat turn the P-38 is very poor in this regard, the P-38's turning strength is in the vertical, using vertical turns to acheive an angle on the target by using said vertical turns to get inside the turns of the better turning aircraft. But as will all things, YMMV.
ack-ack
Only thing I can say is, people have their own style, some TnB, some BnZ
If you're on someone's 6, say a spit 16, you have sn angle advantage. As far as flat turning with someone on MY 6? no way, i'll agree with you there.
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Co-speed on the deck in sustained flat turns, any spit, 109E & F, N1k2, F6f5, any F4U, just to name a few should be able to eventually drive around the circle on a P-38, or have enough of a smaller turn radius to gain angles. Some quicker than others. If they don't it is the pilots fault, not because the P-38 is 'excellent' at flat turns.
It's not about style.
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It's not about style.
Whaaaaaaat?
I thought you had to make it look good to in order for it to count!
:aok
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Always interesting seeing the fight from both points of views.
Thx for posting
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Co-speed on the deck in sustained flat turns, any spit, 109E & F, N1k2, F6f5, any F4U,
Everyone has their own opinion, not trying to call anyone out or anything, some people tend to take things the wrong way.
Murdr I totally agree with all those planes except the N1K, I don't have too much trouble with them unless the pilot is pretty experienced in it.
I always keep 109E and Fs in the vert if possible, if not i'll extend, I don't mess with those little buggers. Luckily, you don't see many EW 109s in the LW arenas though, I know you MW guys see a different planeset though, would be interesting to see how you handle them
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38`s suk
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I know you MW guys see a different planeset though, would be interesting to see how you handle them
Like a drunken fat chick at a frat party on a Friday night.
ack-ack
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Only thing I can say is, people have their own style, some TnB, some BnZ
I don't agree with this statement, I think that to regulate a TnB, or angles engagements to only the horizontal plane is very limiting view. I mention it only because it seems to be a very common view that energy fighters can and should only fight by using prolonged dives and climbs without working the fight in close. An angles fight works in three dimensions, by using the vertical in a turn the 38 can out maneuver a better "turning" aircraft if it is operating solely in the horizontal plane, just because it has a vertical component does not make it any less of an angles fight than two planes chasing their tails in the horizontal plane.
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Off Topic: I've noticed when P38 topics pop up Ack-Ack pops out of nowhere like a ninja... :devil
On Topic: My personal experience with the P38 before going Luft iron is that it's not for the average pilots. And to never fly with combat trim enabled when you're actively maneuvering with a bandit. It plays against the P38 by keeping the 38s nose trimmed down instead of up.
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I know you MW guys see a different planeset though, would be interesting to see how you handle them
Lol. I flew 72 tours in what is now called LW before MW even existed. I still log more time LW anyways.
The N1K has a significantly better sustained turn radius, and a 4.5 dps sustained rate of turn advantage. Looks like you, akak, and I agree since we've all cited pilot experience ;)
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I think it'd be cool if one of the PJ vets could list something like a Top Ten Tips in the PJ dealing with distinguishing strategy compared to basic aircraft in the game. <Eagerly awaits>
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I think it'd be cool if one of the PJ vets could list something like a Top Ten Tips in the PJ dealing with distinguishing strategy compared to basic aircraft in the game. <Eagerly awaits>
Tip #1: PJs are clothing you wear to bed, not something you fly
ack-ack
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Roll yes, turn no. :aok
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I generally fly by feel.... watch my oponent and sometimes I react to him, sometimes I make the moves. Totally different every fight so there is no step 1..2..3. T&B otd is much more fun that any ol' B&Z. OK Back to my margarita.....
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T&B otd is much more fun that any ol' B&Z. OK Back to my margarita.....
I agree, why I don't BnZ much, thankfully it's game, and can up another pixel plane after I get horded, I'd much rather just get down in "the thick of it"
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I tend to find myself on the deck turning with Spit 16s often. Once it gets real slow the old 38G tends to hang in there and the 16s stall out first, drop a wing and have to nose down so I can shoot em.
But then again I'm talking about the 38G which is lighter then the J/L
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I agree, why I don't BnZ much, thankfully it's game, and can up another pixel plane after I get horded, I'd much rather just get down in "the thick of it"
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Depends on what your definition of BnZ is. The BnZ you see most players do is not BnZ, it's more of a Zoom and Haul Arse Because I'm a Timid Git maneuver. BnZ by its nature is an aggressive tactic, one where you put pressure on the opponent until he's dead, not let him safely regain his energy and altitude after you've made your Zoom pass and *cough* extend for 3 sectors. The point of BnZ is to relentlessly attack the opponent until you gain an angle for the shot by making him repeatedly break to avoid your attacks and burn his energy so that he can no longer maneuver to avoid your attack, giving you an angle for the kill shot. Usually, the first pass is a feint designed to make the opponent break, setting you up for the following attack. A well flown BnZ attack should take no more than 3 passes, 4 tops and that's if the attacker is 'tap dancing' on the head of the opponent to set him up for the following attack. Nor should you extend beyond d2.0 away (unless the other guy has sufficient energy still then d2.5 should be the furthest), otherwise you give the target the opportunity to regain his energy and altitude. In a multi-threat enviroment where you're the only good guy against 2+ bogies, there is nothing wrong with using BnZ tactics nor is anyone 'dweebish' if they use BnZ tactics properly. Even in a 1v1 enagement where it might not be safe to lose your energy state to turn fight (i.e. close to enemy base) then BnZ is also a valid tactic.
There are also some (quite a few actually) that have absolutely no clue as to what BnZ is and think that automatically any move in the vertical is BnZ or think that you fly a certain plane that all you can do is BnZ. There is (or was, haven't seen the twit online in a few weeks) a player in the MW that got upset at me because I wouldn't enter into a lufberry fight with him on the deck. Instead, I used vertical turns to get inside of his better turning Hurricane IIc. After shooting him down a few times, this caused him to get upset and claim all I can do is BnZ and not angles fight, yet none of my vertical maneuvers are ones used for BnZ nor did I have the energy to do so, I used basic vertical turns like Yo-Yo's and Chandelles. Another time I ran into the same player and he dove on me and instantly put the fight into a downward spiral fight (nose low turns are the P-38s forté) and I was easily able to turn with him and shoot him down. Afterwards, he started screaming how I could only BnZ, despite the fact our fight was a turn fight, just in the vertical instead of the horizontal.
I'm not saying that you don't know what BnZ is, I'm sure you've been here long enough to learn what it is. I'm just pointing out that the majority of the community's attitude towards this tactic is born out of ignorance and there is nothing 'dweebish' for using BnZ tactics if you employ them properly. Like I said, it's an aggressive tactic and in a multi-threat enviroment can be a sight to behold watching a single plane dive and dance amongst the hord sending the ignorant masses down in flaming wrecks.
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ack-ack
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Only one thing to do when AKAK gets serious, and that's to post his picture, just to show you he's been flying the 38 since he was in short pants...er....well since he was short!
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/AckAck.jpg)
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basically the only planes i fly are the 190-d9 and p38-j and both of those i fly in the vertical. i never really flat turn in the 38 and i never turn in the 190. both are great vert fighters but the 38 has a clear advantage to any other fighter in the vert so thats where i keep it. also, if the fight turns into a flat turn fight i run like a pudd..
MrMEaty
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Credit where credit is due... :aok
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Depends on what your definition of BnZ is. The BnZ you see most players do is not BnZ, it's more of a Zoom and Haul Arse Because I'm a Timid Git maneuver. BnZ by its nature is an aggressive tactic, one where you put pressure on the opponent until he's dead, not let him safely regain his energy and altitude after you've made your Zoom pass and *cough* extend for 3 sectors. The point of BnZ is to relentlessly attack the opponent until you gain an angle for the shot by making him repeatedly break to avoid your attacks and burn his energy so that he can no longer maneuver to avoid your attack, giving you an angle for the kill shot. Usually, the first pass is a feint designed to make the opponent break, setting you up for the following attack. A well flown BnZ attack should take no more than 3 passes, 4 tops and that's if the attacker is 'tap dancing' on the head of the opponent to set him up for the following attack. Nor should you extend beyond d2.0 away (unless the other guy has sufficient energy still then d2.5 should be the furthest), otherwise you give the target the opportunity to regain his energy and altitude. In a multi-threat enviroment where you're the only good guy against 2+ bogies, there is nothing wrong with using BnZ tactics nor is anyone 'dweebish' if they use BnZ tactics properly. Even in a 1v1 enagement where it might not be safe to lose your energy state to turn fight (i.e. close to enemy base) then BnZ is also a valid tactic.
There are also some (quite a few actually) that have absolutely no clue as to what BnZ is and think that automatically any move in the vertical is BnZ or think that you fly a certain plane that all you can do is BnZ. There is (or was, haven't seen the twit online in a few weeks) a player in the MW that got upset at me because I wouldn't enter into a lufberry fight with him on the deck. Instead, I used vertical turns to get inside of his better turning Hurricane IIc. After shooting him down a few times, this caused him to get upset and claim all I can do is BnZ and not angles fight, yet none of my vertical maneuvers are ones used for BnZ nor did I have the energy to do so, I used basic vertical turns like Yo-Yo's and Chandelles. Another time I ran into the same player and he dove on me and instantly put the fight into a downward spiral fight (nose low turns are the P-38s forté) and I was easily able to turn with him and shoot him down. Afterwards, he started screaming how I could only BnZ, despite the fact our fight was a turn fight, just in the vertical instead of the horizontal.
I'm not saying that you don't know what BnZ is, I'm sure you've been here long enough to learn what it is. I'm just pointing out that the majority of the community's attitude towards this tactic is born out of ignorance and there is nothing 'dweebish' for using BnZ tactics if you employ them properly. Like I said, it's an aggressive tactic and in a multi-threat enviroment can be a sight to behold watching a single plane dive and dance amongst the hord sending the ignorant masses down in flaming wrecks.
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ack-ack
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I generally fly by feel.... watch my oponent and sometimes I react to him, sometimes I make the moves. Totally different every fight so there is no step 1..2..3. T&B otd is much more fun that any ol' B&Z. OK Back to my margarita.....
i generally try to keep my lift vector pointed towards the bad guys, but it doesn't work as well in 38 vs spit for me.......yet
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I tend to find myself on the deck turning with Spit 16s often. Once it gets real slow the old 38G tends to hang in there and the 16s stall out first, drop a wing and have to nose down so I can shoot em.
But then again I'm talking about the 38G which is lighter then the J/L
Yeah, seems like when full flaps are deployed and your real slow, its more like a blimp...
It just sort of floats and goes where you want it to go (more or less)..`
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I'd like to chime in and say that I'm impressed with how well some of you can fly the 38. I like to fly it from time to time (one of the best weapon packages in the game imo), but it's in my "challenging" category when the fight gets slow. There are at least two occasions recently where, after dropping flaps in a low scissors fight, I lost control and augered in. The departure almost happened without warning and was very humbling. In my experience there is no other aircraft in the planeset that will punish incompetence so severely in this manner. :eek:
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In my experience there is no other aircraft in the planeset that will punish incompetence so severely in this manner. :eek:
Quoting just because I really like the quote :D
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According to Shreck, the P38 is easy mode and is far easier than anything including his Ki-84. :rofl
To fly the 38 you really need rudder control of some kind, not only to increase your roll rate but also to recover if the bird drops a wing during very low speed furballing. It tends to be a little friendlier with rudder and aileron than with aileron alone...
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I tend to find myself on the deck turning with Spit 16s often. Once it gets real slow the old 38G tends to hang in there and the 16s stall out first, drop a wing and have to nose down so I can shoot em.
But then again I'm talking about the 38G which is lighter then the J/L
It's also the same with either the J or the L.
ack-ack
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Like a drunken fat chick at a frat party on a Friday night.
ack-ack
I remember a Tau Kappa Epsilon/Chi Omega mixer we had. There was a reason we called em "Cow Omega".
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According to Shreck, the P38 is easy mode and is far easier than anything including his Ki-84. :rofl
whaaaaa? I find the Ki-84 much easier to be successful in than the 84. I love the 84 and the 38 both, but when frustration is setting in from leaving too many 38 parts all over the arena I hop in the 84. Shreck must be uber in the 38!
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I want pawz's input here........ :confused:
as long as its not in song form! :devil
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It's also the same with either the J or the L.
ack-ack
Forgive me as I've not played online for a few weeks.. Mainly messing around with off-line missions when I have time..
However, I tend to disagree here.. I find the G much more cooperative especially in low speed handling situations..
Seems to roll better than the J (but not he L). Seems to turn tighter than both the J and the L.
With a G, I can hang with the likes of Spits, Ki-84's 109's.. Sometimes even Zeroes..
I cannot achieve this in a J or L. I don't know, maybe it's because I try to use the J and L like
I do a G. The G has always felt lighter and more responsive. I think it handles higher speeds better than the J
only because it still has a decent roll rate when you get up over 350-375mph. We all know the J has some issues with roll at higher speeds.
I feel that rudder really doesn't help all the much in this situation..
I'm a G man...
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I remember a Tau Kappa Epsilon/Chi Omega mixer we had. There was a reason we called em "Cow Omega".
LOL!
If you can't go Greek go TEKE! ^__^
ack-ack
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Forgive me as I've not played online for a few weeks.. Mainly messing around with off-line missions when I have time..
However, I tend to disagree here.. I find the G much more cooperative especially in low speed handling situations..
Seems to roll better than the J (but not he L). Seems to turn tighter than both the J and the L.
With a G, I can hang with the likes of Spits, Ki-84's 109's.. Sometimes even Zeroes..
I cannot achieve this in a J or L. I don't know, maybe it's because I try to use the J and L like
I do a G. The G has always felt lighter and more responsive. I think it handles higher speeds better than the J
only because it still has a decent roll rate when you get up over 350-375mph. We all know the J has some issues with roll at higher speeds.
I feel that rudder really doesn't help all the much in this situation..
I'm a G man...
What Guppy described in the post I was responding to, the same thing can be done in the J or the L.
If you fly the J or the L like you do the G, it's not going to be detrimental and you can pretty much do the same in the J or the L as you can in the G, it's all dependent on the player's experience and ability in flying the P-38. For example, if you and I were to face off, you in the G and myself in the J, I'll out turn you all day long, why? Experience.
ack-ack
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I've killed many Gs in my J & L.
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What Guppy described in the post I was responding to, the same thing can be done in the J or the L.
If you fly the J or the L like you do the G, it's not going to be detrimental and you can pretty much do the same in the J or the L as you can in the G, it's all dependent on the player's experience and ability in flying the P-38. For example, if you and I were to face off, you in the G and myself in the J, I'll out turn you all day long, why? Experience.
ack-ack
I think we're talking about different things. Are you saying the turn rate on the heavier J and L is the same as the lighter, no outer wing tanks G? Or are you talking about using the extra power and wep of the J and L along with the turn?
I think we're also talking flat turning on the deck vs as Spit as opposed to using the yo-yo etc that the J or L would be so much better at then the G with less power.
Granted I don't fly the J nearly as much as the G but I don't know that I'd trust it in a flat turn with a Spit 16 like I do the G
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I think we're talking about different things. Are you saying the turn rate on the heavier J and L is the same as the lighter, no outer wing tanks G? Or are you talking about using the extra power and wep of the J and L along with the turn?
I think we're also talking flat turning on the deck vs as Spit as opposed to using the yo-yo etc that the J or L would be so much better at then the G with less power.
Granted I don't fly the J nearly as much as the G but I don't know that I'd trust it in a flat turn with a Spit 16 like I do the G
Nope, not saying the turn rate is better but the G's turn rate isn't such that someone in the J is going to automatically get their butt whipped by turning with a G.
One of the tactics I use against Spitfire XVIs, is the same one you do, get them low and very slow (near or at stall speeds) and turn with them for the same reasons you described in this post. They'll either wallow around and give the opportunity for a shot or they'll try and extend and bug out to regain energy, in either case they're dead.
I tend to find myself on the deck turning with Spit 16s often. Once it gets real slow the old 38G tends to hang in there and the 16s stall out first, drop a wing and have to nose down so I can shoot em.
Rolling scissors are another way to do the same thing, those clipped wings at the Spitfire Mk XVI come at a price, which a lot find out is the not so great low speed handling of the XVI. Something that we P-38 drivers can take advantage of because our slow/stall speed handling characteristics is far better.
ack-ack
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OK that makes sense and was what I thought you meant. Just wanted to clarify :)
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The P-38G will have the most problems with high speed roll rate as no version of the P-38G had boosted ailerons. Boosted ailerons came along in the P-38J production run. It isn't really that the plane cannot roll fast, it can at high speeds, if you can generate enough aileron deflection. Boosted ailerons were added because even with the yoke, pilots could not get enough leverage to generate the required aileron deflection at high speeds. The only possible advantage a P-38G might have over a P-38J is if the P-38J is early enough in the P-38J production run to not have boosted ailerons and has a full fuel load in the leading edge wing tanks.
I tried the P-38G and actually did fairly well in it. I'm sure the reason is that I knew I could not rely on HP to get my dumb prettythang out of trouble, so I was more cautious. It did handle well though. I've always wanted to see the P-38H in Aces High, because it has close to P-38G weight, with WEP. Besides, it's the P-38 that the 8th went to war with in late 1943.
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The 38J we have is one of the early birds. Definately not a retrofitted J-10 or 15 and not a J-25 :)
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I tried the P-38G and actually did fairly well in it. I'm sure the reason is that I knew I could not rely on HP to get my dumb uncle out of trouble, so I was more cautious. It did handle well though. I've always wanted to see the P-38H in Aces High, because it has close to P-38G weight, with WEP. Besides, it's the P-38 that the 8th went to war with in late 1943.
The P-38G is probably the best of the P-38s for learning how to energy fight, without WEP you really have to work to maintain your energy state which is why for learning how to BnZ and Energy fight, I always suggest the P-38G for Lightning drivers.
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The 38J we have is one of the early birds. Definately not a retrofitted J-10 or 15 and not a J-25 :)
From AHWiki, P-38J (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/P-38J)
The P-38J modeled in Aces High fits the profile of the next two production blocks. Nothing in the game model excludes it from being one or the other. The P-38J-15-LO block, of which 1400 were produced, had revised electrical systems. Modifications of the turbo regulators were added to the next block, consisting of 350 P-38J-20-LOs.
The sentence in bold is quoting Pyro.
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Do you uber 38ers manual trim only? I'm trying to get around the damned compression problems with the things in a dive. :salute
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Do you uber 38ers manual trim only? I'm trying to get around the damned compression problems with the things in a dive. :salute
Yes
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Do you uber 38ers manual trim only? I'm trying to get around the damned compression problems with the things in a dive. :salute
i am by no meqans uber in anything, much less the 38. i have followed a suggestion from akak though.........RUDDER.
do a foward slip as you're diving. it'll keep your speed below compression. :aok
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The sentence in bold is quoting Pyro.
The default skin makes it a J-10 as the J-15s were NMF :)
I was referring to those birds that got retrofitted with dive flaps and boosted ailerons from the J-10 and J-15 series. We don't have one of those birds with our J
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Do you uber 38ers manual trim only? I'm trying to get around the damned compression problems with the things in a dive. :salute
I don't use manual trim unless I make a mistake and get caught in a compression. The trick is to control your speed to ride the edge. Go as fast as you can WITHOUT hitting it.
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I don't use manual trim unless I make a mistake and get caught in a compression. The trick is to control your speed to ride the edge. Go as fast as you can WITHOUT hitting it.
KillnU back in his 38 days said he flew with combat trim. I've flown with it since then. but then again I'm a lousy 38 driver :)
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KillnU back in his 38 days said he flew with combat trim. I've flown with it since then. but then again I'm a lousy 38 driver :)
it doesn't feel like the combat trim fights against you in a slow speed fight?
that;s originally what made me turn it off
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Do you uber 38ers manual trim only? I'm trying to get around the damned compression problems with the things in a dive. :salute
Yes, I only use manual trim. As for staving off compressability in a dive, 1) You will only enter into compressability if you start your dive above 20,000ft, 2) use your throttle and rudders to help control your speed in a dive.
Honestly, if you enter into a compressability state in a P-38, you screwed up. It is very easy to avoid compressability, if you know how.
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Yes, I only use manual trim. As for staving off compressability in a dive, 1) You will only enter into compressability if you start your dive above 20,000ft, 2) use your throttle and rudders to help control your speed in a dive.
Honestly, if you enter into a compressability state in a P-38, you screwed up. It is very easy to avoid compressability, if you know how.
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Took my 38G up to 24K last night just to see what it was like, as I was getting mugged by high alt birds over and over and over and over again prior to that.
Strange up that high in a G, so I nosed it over and hauled for the deck. Throttle and rudder kept the compressibilty issue to a non factor.
It was boring up that high, and no fun diving with others on one bird. I can't quite figure that out, but I digress....:)