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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Larry on December 16, 2008, 11:10:39 PM
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Iv been doing some P-47 skins for the 353rd guys. Iv finished with the D-11 and D-25 I was working of for them and now would like to do a D-40 so they have a skin for any setup. Only problem is we have only found D-28s. I'm guessing that's the last model jug they flew before switching to the pony. Thing I'm asking is do you jug guys think the D-28 could be put on a D-40? Or if any of you have a D-40 in 353rd markings. Iv started the D28 on the D-40 but want to know what you guys think before going ahead any more.
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Although this link is for IL-2, I think it could help... Scroll down the page till you find P-47d 353rd FG Razorback.
Hope this helps, and best of luck to you sir. :salute
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://sturmovizer.de/images/P47D-8af353fg-rMay44.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sturmovizer.de/tpl-en.html&usg=__oACIwYGWqT_RelQ9gmn84WbufXo=&h=171&w=445&sz=16&hl=en&start=2&sig2=rcTkDHSv1OpFs_VizVdQbw&tbnid=lQ7RVjcrlUznPM:&tbnh=49&tbnw=127&ei=F11JSZ_8LJfysAOMzcj9DA&prev=/images%3Fq%3DP47%2B40%2B353rd%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://sturmovizer.de/images/P47D-8af353fg-rMay44.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sturmovizer.de/tpl-en.html&usg=__oACIwYGWqT_RelQ9gmn84WbufXo=&h=171&w=445&sz=16&hl=en&start=2&sig2=rcTkDHSv1OpFs_VizVdQbw&tbnid=lQ7RVjcrlUznPM:&tbnh=49&tbnw=127&ei=F11JSZ_8LJfysAOMzcj9DA&prev=/images%3Fq%3DP47%2B40%2B353rd%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff)
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those are D11s trigg
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If im not correct isn't the 353rd a ETO squadron that was based there during WW2? If any 353rd P47 skins were done, they'd most likely be done only on the D11/D25 models since they were the primary P47 varient on the Eastern front in WW2...
I could be wrong. But the D40 was primarily used in the PTO as well as the N jug, correct? Because the squadron skins i see on the D40 are squadrons stationed in the PTO.
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Looking at the 353rd Fighter Group Data Base on http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/index.php (http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/index.php), it would appear that the Group switched to Mustangs and operated, at best, 20 or less D-28's in total.
If I were you, I'd do a D-11, D-25, P-51B, and P-51D. Although they didn't operate many more P-51B's that P-47D-28's, 21 v 20, they did have them and the plane is there to be skinned.
wrongway
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Yeah I think I'll just do a B pony instead of a D-40. I was wanting to do a P-51B skin any way because some of my squaddies fly it in the mid war. This way I can kill two birds with one stone.
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Larry have you picked one out yet?
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This is the only one from 353rd that I found a picture of, but it kinda looks like at D pony to me.
It has a bubble canopy like a Bpony but I cant tell if that is the background or the tail stabilizer in the outline.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/bpony.bmp)
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=353&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=32&Temp=174&searchString=
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This is the only one from 353rd that I found a picture of, but it kinda looks like at D pony to me.
It has a bubble canopy like a Bpony but I cant tell if that is the background or the tail stabilizer in the outline.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/bpony.bmp)
That's a P-51B with a Malcolm Hood and a fin fillet. I was looking through the Little Friend's data base again and I think I was a little wrong about the 353rd and P-51B/C's. As near as I can tell from the listings there, none of the B's saw combat. They were War Weary, used for practice or as hacks, to get around in.
The only example I'm not sure about yet is:
43-12208 P-51B 352 SX-P Lost 28 Sept 44 - Lt. Charles I Sladek KIFA
But I would assume KIFA = Killed In Flight Accident, making it another War Weary Hack.
So, it looks like they went From P-47D-20 series aircraft straight to P-51D's for combat.
wrongway
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=353&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=32&Temp=174&searchString=
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i think that is a d pony it doesn't have a hanging down engine and the wings are cliped not rounded like in the p 47
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This is the only one from 353rd that I found a picture of, but it kinda looks like at D pony to me.
It has a bubble canopy like a Bpony but I cant tell if that is the background or the tail stabilizer in the outline.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/bpony.bmp)
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=353&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=32&Temp=174&searchString=
Thats a war weary P51B so it would have not been flying combat at that time. I thought Fencer already did a 353rd B pony and it was Lucky Leaky II
(http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/353g/sx-m2.jpg)
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He may have but its not in game right now. It might just be out of the rotaion.
Did "Lucky Leaky II" see enough combat to make it into the game?
If not, if any of you guys have a cool looking B/C pony that you would want in Ill be willing to take a shot at it.
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He may have but its not in game right now. It might just be out of the rotaion.
Did "Lucky Leaky II" see enough combat to make it into the game?
If not, if any of you guys have a cool looking B/C pony that you would want in Ill be willing to take a shot at it.
Yes to combat for Lucky Leaky II. It's the best documented 353rd B model as well as there were so few.
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Good profile of Leaky
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Leaky.jpg)
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Thanks Dan. I'm guessing the SX-M and the rudder are black because most of the 353rd ponys Iv seen have black or yellow rudders.
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Thanks Dan. I'm guessing the SX-M and the rudder are black because most of the 353rd ponys Iv seen have black or yellow rudders.
The black rudder was a squadron recognition marking. Each squadron had a different color rudder. This was standard practice in the 8th AF
350th FS was yellow-LH was squadron code
351st FS had no color on rudders YJ was squadron code
352nd had black rudders with SX as squadron code
All were part of the 353rd.
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Yes to combat for Lucky Leaky II. It's the best documented 353rd B model as well as there were so few.
I couldn't figure out which B's had or had not seen combat from the List on Little Friends. It shows all of them as WW or Hacks. So, I guess they some, if not all assigned to the 353rd saw combat?
From http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/353rdfg.php?action=list_records&recs=50&sort_order=ASC&order_by=Squ&recs=50&next_page=9#tabletop (http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/353rdfg.php?action=list_records&recs=50&sort_order=ASC&order_by=Squ&recs=50&next_page=9#tabletop):
42-103363 P-51C 352 SX-M Davenport Lt. John E Lucky Leaky II Crash-landed 2 May 45 - Lt. Leroy O Pletz. w/w Squadron Hack
wrongway
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I couldn't figure out which B's had or had not seen combat from the List on Little Friends. It shows all of them as WW or Hacks. So, I guess they some, if not all assigned to the 353rd saw combat?
From http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/353rdfg.php?action=list_records&recs=50&sort_order=ASC&order_by=Squ&recs=50&next_page=9#tabletop (http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/353rdfg.php?action=list_records&recs=50&sort_order=ASC&order_by=Squ&recs=50&next_page=9#tabletop):
42-103363 P-51C 352 SX-M Davenport Lt. John E Lucky Leaky II Crash-landed 2 May 45 - Lt. Leroy O Pletz. w/w Squadron Hack
Any War weary would have WW in front of the serial number. Leaky is also seen carrying 108 gallon tanks, which a war weary would not. As the 353rd transitioned to the Mustang well after the introduction of the D model, it's not a huge surprise there were not many B/C. If you look at Leaky it has all the latest mods too with the late in the war tail warning radar and the fin fillet addition along with the Malcom hood. A very pretty bird.
wrongway
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Thats a war weary P51B so it would have not been flying combat at that time. I thought Fencer already did a 353rd B pony and it was Lucky Leaky II
(http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/353g/sx-m2.jpg)
Yep submitted and accepted quite a while ago now.
[edit] May 2007.
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Larry, in looking at Randell's site, and at the 353rd History, you are talking 12-13 P51B/C with all but Lucky Leaky and maybe 2 others being War Weary birds used with the group "Clobber College" which was their training unit for the group.
I can't find any other photos of anything but War Weary birds beyond Leaky.
A nice photo of a 353rd War Weary 51C
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/WarWeary.jpg)
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Any info on this one? It reminds me of my dora skin. :D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/p51c%20dody.png)
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Any info on this one? It reminds me of my dora skin. :D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/p51c%20dody.png)
D pony is as close as I can get you. (http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7200/p51d1na52fgitalyfromillpp7.th.jpg) (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p51d1na52fgitalyfromillpp7.jpg)
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Any info on this one? It reminds me of my dora skin. :D
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/p51c%20dody.png)
We've got a 52nd FG P51B in the rotation too I believe. The MTO 51 groups had their B/C models longer too before they got D models to go with them. I'll see if I have anything specific on that bird once I'm home from work.
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We've got a 52nd FG P51B in the rotation too I believe. ...
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p51b/skin7.jpg)
Regards,
Hammer
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This is my first prototype "polished aluminum" skin. I wish I knew how fester did his aluminum pony skins, but I'm making do with my limited photoshop experience. Tell me what you guys think and if you know how I can make it better. (note: its just the left fuselage done)
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/p51btest.jpg)
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Bump up the specularity a bit--its not supposed to look atomic or anything, but you should get a nice sheen on the skin to replicated the "brushed" aluminum look of a BMF aircraft...
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350th P-47 M
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/Republic_P-47M-1_THUNDERBOLT_LHI_40.jpg?t=1230661861)
350th p-47-28
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/Republic_P-47D-28-RE_THUNDERBOLT_LH.jpg?t=1230662514)
352nd
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/Republic252520P-47D-25252520Thunder.jpg?t=1230662355)
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350th P-47 M
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/Republic_P-47M-1_THUNDERBOLT_LHI_40.jpg?t=1230661861)
350th p-47-28
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/Republic_P-47D-28-RE_THUNDERBOLT_LH.jpg?t=1230662514)
352nd
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/Republic252520P-47D-25252520Thunder.jpg?t=1230662355)
As far as I know, no one has figured out how to do the diamonds on the nose without them stretching horribly yet.
wrongway
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This was the best I could do when I did their D-25. I spent about five hours going pixel by pixel trying to get them to look as good as I could get them.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/butchIItest.jpg)
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I think that looks great
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It looks great larry, like all your works.