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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on December 24, 2008, 01:35:46 AM
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So I logged into the ava...
Immediately got a lost UDP, switching to TCP message.
Vox was out.
People were vulching.
The two opposing airbases were within walking distance of each other.
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Hmm yeah, does Vox ever work in there? Got the same greeting upon entering.
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Hmm yeah, does Vox ever work in there? Got the same greeting upon entering.
VOX is working at this time.
Now if we can only get some good squads in there on a regular basis, to disrupt, or at least challenge the very talented JG54...
:noid
Had some great fights last night, against the 109's, and JU-88's (easy prey) in my Pee Fortay Easy. Then the JG's came on and worked their charm. Not a bad thing at all, mind you, as those guys fly like squadrons are supposed to fly, and I admire them greatly for the skill and discipline they display in game...
One day x0cet, I'll get you one day! ;)
Maybe if HTC dropped one of the LW arenas, we would see a resurgence of numbers in the AvA?
:salute
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Immediately got a lost UDP, switching to TCP message.
Vox was out.
People were vulching.
The two opposing airbases were within walking distance of each other.
Titanic Tuesday. We always lose VOX on Titanic Tuesday.
I'm suspecting the vulchers were MA people who weren't interested in Titanic Tuesday?
There is much good in having bases close together. Lord knows that it's easy enough to find bases far apart in Tunisia!
- oldman
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Everytime I logged into the arena I lost UDP. So eh
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I haven't seen the midwar arena suffer in the same way on Tuesdays, nor the dueling arena. I don't know how the HTC servers work, but it seems like whatever does the work of the main arena also does the work of the AvA, and so the two suffer together, while the other arenas don't.
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i was in there early last night and didnt have problems, other then dying to b4buster and fudgums hehehhe. good fun guys, sorrry but i do get frustrated at times. merry christmas :salute
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49th is becoming a force to reckon with IMO, we'll give JG 54 a run for their money :aok
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I've always wondered why no other squads want to come to the AvA... Really the AvA is the only real place FOR historically based squads. You fight your historical enemy, more often than not in your historical airframe.
What's not to love?
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Maybe if HTC dropped one of the LW arenas, we would see a resurgence of numbers in the AvA?
:salute
Not likely. If people wanted to be there they would go there now.
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Not likely. If people wanted to be there they would go there now.
agree 100%, people want to point and shoot, not have historically accurate arenas, planesets, and fights
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B4Buster
"agree 100%, people want to point and shoot, not have historically accurate arenas, planesets, and fights"
Pretty absurd to think you speak for everyone isn't it?
Republic
"I've always wondered why no other squads want to come to the AvA... Really the AvA is the only real place FOR historically based squads. You fight your historical enemy, more often than not in your historical airframe.
What's not to love?"
I have to disagree with you Republic. The Luftwaffe get's their historical rides 90% of the time. The Allies change airframes weekly and usually end up flying what the Luftwaffe squads and Oldman thinks they should fly.
It's also well known that everytime squads start showing interest in the AVA many of the self proclaimed regulars take offense to them flying in what they consider their arena. So they throw turds until the squads get fed up and leave. It goes back to 5 or 10 players a night and the regulars swapping spit about how much fun their having and how great the fights are now that all the tards are gone. Then a couple of months later they start wondering why nobody flies in the AVA. The AVA is in that cycle again now. Nothing's changed it's always been this way and it always will. I speak for nobody other than myself this is my opinion.
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I have to disagree with you Republic. The Luftwaffe get's their historical rides 90% of the time. The Allies change airframes weekly and usually end up flying what the Luftwaffe squads and Oldman thinks they should fly.
It's also well known that everytime squads start showing interest in the AVA many of the self proclaimed regulars take offense to them flying in what they consider their arena. So they throw turds until the squads get fed up and leave. It goes back to 5 or 10 players a night and the regulars swapping spit about how much fun their having and how great the fights are now that all the tards are gone. Then a couple of months later they start wondering why nobody flies in the AVA. The AVA is in that cycle again now. Nothing's changed it's always been this way and it always will. I speak for nobody other than myself this is my opinion.
:salute
All im saying.
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I have to disagree with you Republic. The Luftwaffe get's their historical rides 90% of the time. The Allies change airframes weekly and usually end up flying what the Luftwaffe squads and Oldman thinks they should fly.
Unfortunately this is because of the limited Axis planeset in AH, and also historical accuracies. It's usually 109's or Zeke's. When it's Zeke's no one plays. We have no 110 squads, and absolutely no Japanese squads. I did, however, see an Italian Gruppe a few days back.
The allies have a much more fleshed out planeset so it's easier to segment and say "Ok only this ride for this setup". With Axis it's as I said before, 109's or Zekes. :(
Personally, I prefer the P-47 to any plane in the game, unfortunately the P-47 seldom shows it's face in the AvA.
As for the other...the AvA seems to be slowly growing again and it's more cordial than ever.
Give it a whirl again, you might be surprised.
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I have to disagree with you Republic. The Luftwaffe get's their historical rides 90% of the time. The Allies change airframes weekly and usually end up flying what the Luftwaffe squads and Oldman thinks they should fly.
Yes because those allied squads can only fly the planes the real squad flew in the war. Thats why youll never see tyrant in a 110 or me in a 109G14 or 109K. :rolleyes:
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It's also well known that everytime squads start showing interest in the AVA many of the self proclaimed regulars take offense to them flying in what they consider their arena.
you mean like the "Avengers" or "JG11" ??
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All I care about is why Titanic Tuesday issues creep into the AvA, when they do not creep into the midwar arena. Enough with the hijacking.
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i think its because they both use the same server if i remember correctly. has something to do with that! that and bandwidth. better to ask skuzzy :)
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All I care about is why Titanic Tuesday issues creep into the AvA, when they do not creep into the midwar arena. Enough with the hijacking.
Next time its up check all the arena's servers. I'm betting that TT and AvA use the same one. The Vox issue always happens Tuesday when numbers start going up in TT. I forone think its because of the MOTD in the AvA. A few times Iv logged on and heard squaddies talking but once the MOTD loads I lose UDP and vox goes out.
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It's hard to maintain balance in an open arena, especially with our current planeset. The Axis rides have a slight advantage pre-winter 42/43, but after that, the Allies begin to gain a significant advantage for prop planes. I know I'll get flamed for saying it, but sometimes you need to drop some historical rides to keep it balanced.
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you mean like the "Avengers" or "JG11" ??
No I don't, those two squads were a breath of fresh air to this cess pool.
It's apparent you're either ignorant or trolling. Personally I don't think you're clever enough to troll.
Or maybe they just threaten your little kingdom that's why you feel the need to bash them constantly.
You're sure not clever enough to change for the good of the arena.
You talk the talk with your little code of ethics post, but your post above is proof you don't mean any of it. Maybe you just do it for the attention.
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Next time its up check all the arena's servers. I'm betting that TT and AvA use the same one. The Vox issue always happens Tuesday when numbers start going up in TT. I forone think its because of the MOTD in the AvA. A few times Iv logged on and heard squaddies talking but once the MOTD loads I lose UDP and vox goes out.
If they share the same server, then the problems make sense. How would we go about convincing HTC to move the AvA to the mid-war/early-war server?
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B4Buster
"agree 100%, people want to point and shoot, not have historically accurate arenas, planesets, and fights"
Pretty absurd to think you speak for everyone isn't it?
Republic
"I've always wondered why no other squads want to come to the AvA... Really the AvA is the only real place FOR historically based squads. You fight your historical enemy, more often than not in your historical airframe.
What's not to love?"
I have to disagree with you Republic. The Luftwaffe get's their historical rides 90% of the time. The Allies change airframes weekly and usually end up flying what the Luftwaffe squads and Oldman thinks they should fly.
It's also well known that everytime squads start showing interest in the AVA many of the self proclaimed regulars take offense to them flying in what they consider their arena. So they throw turds until the squads get fed up and leave. It goes back to 5 or 10 players a night and the regulars swapping spit about how much fun their having and how great the fights are now that all the tards are gone. Then a couple of months later they start wondering why nobody flies in the AVA. The AVA is in that cycle again now. Nothing's changed it's always been this way and it always will. I speak for nobody other than myself this is my opinion.
I agree 100% with Shifty
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<S> B4Buster and squad, glad you guys are around.
To the detractors of the AvA <S> You have a valid opinion, I guess we just see things differently.
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If they share the same server, then the problems make sense. How would we go about convincing HTC to move the AvA to the mid-war/early-war server?
It is very easy to check what servers each arena uses (or at least what IP): on the logon screen select an arena and do a Ping test. This shows that AvA shares only with the Training Arena and the Dueling Arena (all are on 206.16.60.41). Or does the IP not necessairly refer to the physical server?
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No I don't, those two squads were a breath of fresh air to this cess pool.
It's apparent you're either ignorant or trolling. Personally I don't think you're clever enough to troll.
Or maybe they just threaten your little kingdom that's why you feel the need to bash them constantly.
You're sure not clever enough to change for the good of the arena.
You talk the talk with your little code of ethics post, but your post above is proof you don't mean any of it. Maybe you just do it for the attention.
:rofl
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<S> B4Buster and squad, glad you guys are around.
To the detractors of the AvA <S> You have a valid opinion, I guess we just see things differently.
Republic, you're one of the people I believe truely wants to see a better healthier AVA. So that must make you a detractor as well.
It's going to take everybody changing with give and take on all sides. If that never occurs it's just going to stay the same old AVA.
Have a good Christmas.
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<S> Shifty
I think it's doing great at the moment. Give the AvA a whirl again, you might be surprised.
I know your a blue plane squad, it'd be nice if they'd tweak and throw a radial on the Ki-61 and give us the Ki-100, a fresh Japanese plane would give our Pacific setups a much needed fun infusion. JM2 Raiden would be nice too...
The best thing I did to enjoy the game more was rarely frequent the forum, stop responding to 200 nonsense and swap over and fly with the people who are irritating me from time to time. I've found a few good eggs that I had previously thought were idiots, and I've found a few certified goobers who I had previously only had suspicions about. :)
Now if Buster would just show me how he flies a P-38....my AvA experience would be near perfect. Well, that and if I didn't constantly see "System: N7/VWE/TBar/Larry has just whipped ur behind...again" Oh well...least I have something to strive for. lol :)
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No doubt the Japanese plane set needs an infusion. The Blue planes fly well in Royal Navy Sea Gray and Green off Norway.
Or another possible setup I've not seen is.
Operation DRAGOON, the invasion of southern France on 15 August 1944, included two carrier task groups:
TG 88.1 (British) with HMS Khedive, HMS Emperor, HMS Searcher, HMS Pursuer and HMS Attacker. These were all CVE's loaded with Wildcats, Hellcats and Seafires;
TG 88.2 (USN) with USS Tulagi, USS Kasaan Bay, HMS Hunter and HMS Stalker. Likewise, these were all CVE's loaded with Wildcats, Hellcats and Seafires.
Opposing them ashore was the Luftwaffe's Jagdgruppe 200 based at Aix-les-Milles and Avignon-East under Jagdfliegerführer Südfrankreich/5. Jagddivision (Luftfoltte 3) and equipped with Bf 109G's. Pilots from the Gruppe did engage Wildcats and Hellcats on several occasions.
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Sounds somewhat similar to the "sink the Tirpitz" setup, which I also don't recall having seen for a while (but I admit to not being around nearly as much as I used to).
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Sounds like a fun setup, it's been a long time since I've seen an F6F vs 109 setup.
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49th is becoming a force to reckon with IMO, we'll give JG 54 a run for their money :aok
Yuppers... All three of us are wrapping 'em up. :angel:
Not likely. If people wanted to be there they would go there now.
Well in that case, HTC should save the resources and get rid of the AvA altogether... Then they'd have a legitimate claim as the premier WW2 Arcade Game online, instead of a potentially great Historical Game online.
Or...... They could divide the plane sets up by country, with Japanese as one, LW Italian another and RAF, USAAF, Navy, USMC, and Russian as the third? At least that way you're not fighting against your chosen country's plane set. think of it as an expanded AvA if you must. :mad:
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I have to disagree with you Republic. The Luftwaffe get's their historical rides 90% of the time. The Allies change airframes weekly and usually end up flying what the Luftwaffe squads and Oldman thinks they should fly.
It's also well known that everytime squads start showing interest in the AVA many of the self proclaimed regulars take offense to them flying in what they consider their arena. So they throw turds until the squads get fed up and leave. It goes back to 5 or 10 players a night and the regulars swapping spit about how much fun their having and how great the fights are now that all the tards are gone. Then a couple of months later they start wondering why nobody flies in the AVA. The AVA is in that cycle again now. Nothing's changed it's always been this way and it always will. I speak for nobody other than myself this is my opinion.
Some people simply cannot be pleased.
Could you let us know - please - just what it is you would like to see in AvA that we haven't tried over the past year? And just who it is - now, not three months ago - that's making fun of the way you and your friends fly?
- oldman
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Some people simply cannot be pleased....
- oldman
Not even half of 'em anymore.
Oldman, I believe the current set up is pretty accurate, and well balanced, despite the distance from most Air bases. It gives the tread-heads a great choice for battles, and when the bases are semi-close, some really good fur balling.
Now if you can keep the same balance in other iterations of the AvA. things may well turn around for the better.
Are there nay sayers in the AvA? Of course there are... just about as many as there are in the MA's. Some, a very few, actually know what they're talking about. The rest are just pissed because their precious score is going tang uniform, so they vent on the forums without offering any real solutions.
In regards to the AvA, I think if the moderators/admins did a little research into the historical actions presented, and provided those plane sets to us, that the AvA would start seeing better numbers. Hell, I don't have all the answers... most folks'll say I don't have any, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that HTC is looking at the AvA with an eye to just getting rid of it and sticking with the SEA scenarios and FSO for historic engagements.
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Shifty...i didn't say "everyone wants to point and shoot" did I?
I think you need to stop stalking the forums looking to start trouble
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Yuppers... All three of us are wrapping 'em up. :angel:
Next time you log on look at the O' Club roster, been doing some recruiting
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Oldman I think you've hit the nail on the head. There's a lot of players who got a bad taste in their mouth at some time about the AvA and just refuse to believe it can be fun.
Without the AvA, I wouldn't subscribe to AH, that's just the kind of experience I'm looking for. I want to fly an aircraft against it's historical rival. I honestly never look at my score. Most (if not all) of the best fights I've had I've lost... I don't want an easy kill, I want to have to work at it. That's what I want, and usually I find that in the AvA. (Legal Disclaimer: you all pay 15 bux a month, you can fly however you want, whenver you want, in whatever you want, it's your prerogative.)
Sure it's not always gumdrops and lollipops. Sure I get frustrated. The AvA community is so small, its easy for a few guys to really ruin it for you.....if you let them. But that's also a benefit. The community is so small that just a handful of players can affect it for the better.
But...we've been down this road at least a dozen times... What will be, will be. As for me, I'll be in the AvA as long as there's someone to fly with/against. And if it comes a time when there's not, I'll find another game.
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Shifty...i didn't say "everyone wants to point and shoot" did I?
I think you need to stop stalking the forums looking to start trouble
It's your quote you tell me.
Also I think you should follow your own advice.
I said straight up it was my opinion. That's not stalking, that's giving an opinion.
You seem easily confused.
OM if you want to talk about it. I will be more than happy to do it over PMs. I'm not going to debate you and your new found fanbois at the same time.
If you don't that's fine too. By your response I really don't think you're up to a serious look any opinions other than your own.
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You gents are kinda cranky for Christmas eve. Might need to fire up the blenders early :)
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You gents are kinda cranky for Christmas eve. Might need to fire up the blenders early :)
Dont you have a G model to wreck somewhere? ;)
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No doubt the Japanese plane set needs an infusion. The Blue planes fly well in Royal Navy Sea Gray and Green off Norway.
Or another possible setup I've not seen is.
Operation DRAGOON, the invasion of southern France on 15 August 1944, included two carrier task groups:
TG 88.1 (British) with HMS Khedive, HMS Emperor, HMS Searcher, HMS Pursuer and HMS Attacker. These were all CVE's loaded with Wildcats, Hellcats and Seafires;
TG 88.2 (USN) with USS Tulagi, USS Kasaan Bay, HMS Hunter and HMS Stalker. Likewise, these were all CVE's loaded with Wildcats, Hellcats and Seafires.
Opposing them ashore was the Luftwaffe's Jagdgruppe 200 based at Aix-les-Milles and Avignon-East under Jagdfliegerführer Südfrankreich/5. Jagddivision (Luftfoltte 3) and equipped with Bf 109G's. Pilots from the Gruppe did engage Wildcats and Hellcats on several occasions.
While my AvA experience is limited, one of the things that always stood out was that anytime the Spitfire was included in a set up, the LW guys pretty much don't want to play. Maybe that's changed.
I always figured that a 1943 ETO setup would be the most even and a 1944 PTO would be about the same as the available birds would match up better.
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Next time you log on look at the O' Club roster, been doing some recruiting
:O By gumby we better start getting 'em all in there :salute
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Dont you have a G model to wreck somewhere? ;)
Enough with the purse fights, Squid. :uhoh the game already has far too much drama as is.
Merry Christmas
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While my AvA experience is limited, one of the things that always stood out was that anytime the Spitfire was included in a set up, the LW guys pretty much don't want to play. Maybe that's changed.
I always figured that a 1943 ETO setup would be the most even and a 1944 PTO would be about the same as the available birds would match up better.
Your ideas are good ones. One way I've suggested in the past to make PTO's a bit more palletable for the Axis is to not shove the USAAF and USN down their throats at the same time.
Maybe run a week of Japan vs the USAAF spend another week in Europe then run a week of Japan vs the USN/USMC. In my opinon that would work well in ETO's as well cut down the number of types and match planes historically on a more defined battle field.
Must not be that good of an idea because it's never caught on. :D
As far as the Spitfire, anything other than the MkI and MKV is usually frowned upon.
Even the Seafire II which is nothing but a heavier MkV is regularly left out of setups where it was historically used.
The only reason I can think of is because of it's cannon load. It's much nicer when your the only side with cannons.
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Your ideas are good ones. One way I've suggested in the past to make PTO's a bit more palletable for the Axis is to not shove the USAAF and USN down their throats at the same time....
It's much nicer when your the only side with cannons.
I think this depends on how you handle the joint operation of USN/USAAF. If the Blue is kept to the CV's when facing the LW, then all is fine and dandy as that reflects the historical atmosphere.
The PTO had the majority of countries represented by one plane set or another, and while I disagree with favoring one branch over anther for inclusion, you may have a point as far as 'playability' goes.
The last part is very true on so many levels... in the Main Arenas. AvA only had a couple LW squads crying about it. Unfortunately, they cried so loud that the remaining good squads packed their bags and went on holiday.
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I used to hate Spitfires in every setup until I learned how to fight them. It's definitely a challenge to coerce a 109 into beating a Spitfire, but not impossible. The problem with any Pacific setup is the Zeke. I loathe it, and most everyone does at some point. So what you have is everyone wanting to be allied. When there's a setup with the Ki's it's more popular but...only just. There just aren't enough airframes or variations when you compare it to the European theater.
As far as Oldman and fanboys...
I hate to remind you all that Oldman is the ONLY staff member who actually flies in the AvA. (At least the only one I've seen in my entire time playing the game...other than the few months of the war.) Unless/until the powers that be decide to add a new staff member who actually plays, Oldman is, quite literally, our best and only ally.
Who sets up the boards? Oldman. Who fixes it when it's porked? Oldman. Who adjusts it when we ask for changes? (such as the tank change this week) Oldman. At least, in my understanding it's been Oldman who puts in the most time and effort. So maybe he deserves a fanboy or two.
IMO, Oldman is our best friend when it comes to the AvA, lets not kick him in the nuts ok?
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Oldman is, quite literally, our best and only ally.
I agree he is your best Allie
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John, that is way beneath your dignity level, sir. :o
Best to the family and especially Tommy
I used to hate Spitfires in every setup until I learned how to fight them. It's definitely a challenge to coerce a 109 into beating a Spitfire, but not impossible.
As far as Oldman and fanboys...
I hate to remind you all that Oldman is the ONLY staff member who actually flies in the AvA. (At least the only one I've seen in my entire time playing the game...other than the few months of the war.) Unless/until the powers that be decide to add a new staff member who actually plays, Oldman is, quite literally, our best and only ally.
Yupster to Oldman flying...
Another good fight against the 109 is the P40-E The P40 is really a surprise package when handled right. Unfortunately I get so excited that I forget what it was I did right in the fights... this mind wipe is usually preceded by a warm wet feeling in the thigh region.
In the current Tunisia set up, I have been favoring the 40 over the 38 when dog piles are on, and the C202 when numbers call for a side swap.
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I agree he is your best Allie
Not sure what that means...I've flown more Allied since I've returned than Axis... So by that logic if he's my ally he should be everyone's ally.
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he should be everyone's ally.
Again I couldn't agree more.
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The P40 is really a surprise package when handled right.
It sure is, it's a surprising little plane. We had P-40's vs 202's last setup, now that was a workout! I went round and round for probably 10 minutes with Bubi.
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It's OK, Shifty. The big bad bird is gone for good. It is safe for you to come back. Since you haven't had a single sortie in the arena since September, perhaps that little factoid has eluded you.
Or you can sit and continue to spew hate for hate's sake, if that makes you feel better. But it sure does make you look quite silly and out of touch.
The amount of control many of you people allowed one person to have over you still amazes me.
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It's OK, Shifty. The big bad bird is gone for good. It is safe for you to come back. Since you haven't had a single sortie in the arena since September, perhaps that little factoid has eluded you.
Or you can sit and continue to spew hate for hate's sake, if that makes you feel better. But it sure does make you look quite silly and out of touch.
The amount of control many of you people allowed one person to have over you still amazes me.
The fact I haven't flown AVA since September should show you Storch wasn't the reason I left.
In fact Storch and I rarely spoke in the arena. It had everything to do with setups and a disagreement with Oldman.
If I wanted to dodge Storch I would have stayed out of the Midwar arena as well which is where I went. You're the one giving Storch all the power right now.
Because some people got fed up with it doesn't make them any less or you any better.
Your post is as hate filled as any of the others and filled with assumptions.
You having nothing better to do than go look at my score and assume I hadn't been back since September because of Storch amazes me.
So if you want to talk about looking silly read your own post and stop making assumptions.
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Silent night. Holy night :angel:
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Here is a hint for you, Shifty:
It's also well known that everytime squads start showing interest in the AVA many of the self proclaimed regulars take offense to them flying in what they consider their arena. So they throw turds until the squads get fed up and leave. It goes back to 5 or 10 players a night and the regulars swapping spit about how much fun their having and how great the fights are now that all the tards are gone. Then a couple of months later they start wondering why nobody flies in the AVA. The AVA is in that cycle again now. Nothing's changed it's always been this way and it always will. I speak for nobody other than myself this is my opinion.
You are the one that came to this thread throwing turds around. Therefore it is obviously you that has the problem, as demonstrated by the fact you haven't bothered to show your pretty head in the arena since September.
No I don't, those two squads were a breath of fresh air to this cess pool.
It's apparent you're either ignorant or trolling. Personally I don't think you're clever enough to troll.
Or maybe they just threaten your little kingdom that's why you feel the need to bash them constantly.
You're sure not clever enough to change for the good of the arena.
You talk the talk with your little code of ethics post, but your post above is proof you don't mean any of it. Maybe you just do it for the attention.
Here you go with another turd hurled. Funny, but in this thread you are the one who seems intent on bashing people constantly.
I suppose you could be out of touch to the point you never observed the persitent griefing of several of the Avengers -- that might explain why you think they were a "breath of fresh air" -- or perhaps you are of the same mind -- guess I'll leave that one for interpretation.
But, ah! I see. You are the only one who has the answers about how to make the arena a better place. Jaeger, on the other had, should just keep his mouth shut since he obviously is not entitled to an opinion about how the place can be made better, and he sure as heck shouldn't make a post to share his views.
So, let us cut to the chase. You don't fly in the AvA anymore, but you will come on the boards and bash people about perceived bad behavior. Of course, since you don't fly in the AvA anymore, you could not have personally observed any of it. Yet, you will make your uninformed and irrelevant observations anyway. So, yes, that is what I would call hate for hate's sake. What pleasure you could possibly derive from this is beyond me, but if that is how you get your jollies, more power to you.
You say I am wrong about your leaving because of storch's vociferous nature -- fine, I will take you at your word, and I willingly retract the statement and admit I was wrong. I looked at your scores because you remind me a lot of Krusty and Kev, who used to come in here and itch and moan about "setups", but never bothered to show their head in the arena, even if they got their way. I do think I was right on that count.
Perhaps OM will try your setup, and you can prove me wrong on that point, too.
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It's also well known that everytime squads start showing interest in the AVA many of the self proclaimed regulars take offense to them flying in what they consider their arena. So they throw turds until the squads get fed up and leave. It goes back to 5 or 10 players a night and the regulars swapping spit about how much fun their having and how great the fights are now that all the tards are gone. Then a couple of months later they start wondering why nobody flies in the AVA. The AVA is in that cycle again now. Nothing's changed it's always been this way and it always will. I speak for nobody other than myself this is my opinion.
Here is a hint for you, Shifty:You are the one that came to this thread throwing turds around.
You're right pointing out the annual squashing of new energy in the AVA is turd throwing at it's most intense. :huh
No I don't, those two squads were a breath of fresh air to this cess pool.
It's apparent you're either ignorant or trolling. Personally I don't think you're clever enough to troll.
Or maybe they just threaten your little kingdom that's why you feel the need to bash them constantly.
You're sure not clever enough to change for the good of the arena.
You talk the talk with your little code of ethics post, but your post above is proof you don't mean any of it. Maybe you just do it for the attention.
Here you go with another turd hurled. Funny, but in this thread you are the one who seems intent on bashing people constantly.
I suppose you could be out of touch to the point you never observed the persitent griefing of several of the Avengers -- that might explain why you think they were a "breath of fresh air" -- or perhaps you are of the same mind -- guess I'll leave that one for interpretation.
I'll admit you have a point here, but it was a turd returned for a turd fired. If the Avengers were griefing I for one couldn't blame them as much grief as they were taking.
But, ah! I see. You are the only one who has the answers about how to make the arena a better place. Jaeger, on the other had, should just keep his mouth shut since he obviously is not entitled to an opinion about how the place can be made better, and he sure as heck shouldn't make a post to share his views.
Again I gave an opinion to the question posed why more people don't fly in the AVA. I never said I had all the answers, YOU SAID I DID. I knew when I gave it I'd catch grief from people like you. I also said it was going to take cooperation and give and take by both sides. That was answered by Jaeger with his usual scoffing of JG-11 and The Avengers.
So, let us cut to the chase. You don't fly in the AvA anymore, but you will come on the boards and bash people about perceived bad behavior. Of course, since you don't fly in the AvA anymore, you could not have personally observed any of it. Yet, you will make your uninformed and irrelevant observations anyway. So, yes, that is what I would call hate for hate's sake. What pleasure you could possibly derive from this is beyond me, but if that is how you get your jollies, more power to you.
Yes I haven't flown in the AVA since September. I've rarely posted since then either. However my money is as green as yours and I have the right to pursue a historical matchup arena the same as you and post my opinons on it the same as you. Although I don't see you post much about the arena your posts seems to be aimed at me or anybody else that had a complaint about the goings on in the AVA.
Like Republic the AVA was the only home I had from 2001 until late 2006 and yes I miss it. It could be a great place to fly, yet everybody allows it to become a ghetto and than they ask.. Why won't anybody fly in the AVA? Well we'll never get to the bottom of it unless we start talking about what's wrong and fixing the problems. I posted my opinion, I'm not saying it's right or the only answer I'm just saying it's my opinion. It may not be pretty but there it is. Everybody, including you has something to add, and all voices should be heard and all ideas given some consideration. You may think I derive pleasure from this but that's far from the truth. I don't enjoy this at all. I knew I'd get flamed but right now there's nothing but boot licking and looking right past some of the problems why nobody flies here. It's simple. It hasn't been an enjoyable place to fly for a lot of people. However that doesn't mean it couldn't be or shouldn't be. Somebody had to say something to get peoples attention to the white elephant in the corner of the room. If you find that a threat or hate I don't know what to tell you.
You say I am wrong about your leaving because of storch's vociferous nature -- fine, I will take you at your word, and I willingly retract the statement and admit I was wrong. I looked at your scores because you remind me a lot of Krusty and Kev, who used to come in here and itch and moan about "setups", but never bothered to show their head in the arena, even if they got their way. I do think I was right on that count.
I have to tell you, you are dead wrong about Storch being my reason for leaving. He could piss me off, but he could never scare me off. I'm one of those idiots he could shoot down all day. I'd just get mad and go right back up, but not out.
No offense but you were wrong about Krusty and Kev as well. I'm not like them at all. They can both outfly me. ;)
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It's also well known that everytime squads start showing interest in the AVA many of the self proclaimed regulars take offense to them flying in what they consider their arena. So they throw turds until the squads get fed up and leave. It goes back to 5 or 10 players a night and the regulars swapping spit about how much fun their having and how great the fights are now that all the tards are gone. Then a couple of months later they start wondering why nobody flies in the AVA. The AVA is in that cycle again now. Nothing's changed it's always been this way and it always will. I speak for nobody other than myself this is my opinion.
If you weren't such a tempermental twit I'd agree with that :aok
Haven't seen you in the arena in months, yet you come here starting stuff...Are you just bored?
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I agree he is your best Allie
Make that Their best Allie. I agree with Republic on this one. No preferental treatment, OM just doing his job to make the community a better place, keep it running, and have a little fun doing it. Seems a pitty to even argue this point if youve flown in the arena in the last year.
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If you weren't such a tempermental twit I'd agree with that :aok
Haven't seen you in the arena in months, yet you come here starting stuff...Are you just bored?
You'd agree with my point if it wasn't for your opinion of me, and I'm the twit? :lol
You hadn't flown in here for years compared to the time I have logged in the AVA, but that doesn't make your opinion any less valid than mine.
You haven't given your idea of how to help bring numbers to the arena you have just taken swipes at me.
So who's really starting trouble? Again I gave my opinon of the Arena and things that I feel ought to be adressed if people want more numbers in the arena.
I didn't start on you, you started on me. Are you bored?
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I think last night got as heated as Ive seen for a few weeks
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Agreed, Last night out of charactor for AvA. Even the fighting style of many changed. Not for the better.
Hopefully it was just a one day thing.
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Agreed, Last night out of charactor for AvA. Even the fighting style of many changed. Not for the better.
Hopefully it was just a one day thing.
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I disagree... the fighting style had changed for the better and there were some really good fights on Christmas Eve.
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I disagree... the fighting style had changed for the better and there were some really good fights on Christmas Eve.
I double dog disagree lol
I'd never been vulched so many times in my life. Not to mention the mindless vox banter. This is a direct quote: "Dude, these guys so couldn't cut it in the MA's." "Dude I know, they just can't hang man"
It's to be expected as newer folk trickle in. And my usual disclaimer applies "You all pay 15 bux a month, you can fly however you want, whenver you want, in whatever you want, it's your prerogative." Just so no one think I'm trying to lay down any official rules or something. It's just that in the AvA, vulches are generally rare and usually only happen after Person A has really hacked off Person B.
One thing that was odd that night is JG-54 was solely Allied and all the Allied squads were flying Axis. Was like bizzaro world...
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I double dog disagree lol
I'd never been vulched so many times in my life. Not to mention the mindless vox banter. This is a direct quote: "Dude, these guys so couldn't cut it in the MA's." "Dude I know, they just can't hang man"
I never said the second quote. it was the same person.
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I don't think I heard you say anything like that on vox Fudgums, but I don't really remember who was saying what to whom, because right after I heard that on range I decided I was finished for the night lol
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I don't think I heard you say anything like that on vox Fudgums, but I don't really remember who was saying what to whom, because right after I heard that on range I decided I was finished for the night lol
Lol. it may of been the same conversation though. thats why ;)
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I don't think I heard you say anything like that on vox Fudgums, but I don't really remember who was saying what to whom, because right after I heard that on range I decided I was finished for the night lol
I saw a lot of smack talk going down on 200 that kind of turned my opinion of a few pilots. Pretty sure I added my two cents when the HO'ing vulching started at 66 (65?)... Still had some good fights in that P40E
I guess what I'm saying in a round about way is we all need to quit dwelling on the past in AvA and start with the here, now and foreseeable future.
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Sure there are times the game play less then civil most of the time it is.
But Oh My Gawd all this commotion over cartoon planes and tanks! You could always turn off 200, if some is getting to you (Just a suggestion I am not telling anyone on how to play a game) but if your that worked up over a player who is never coming back, and from what I understand is banned for life, maybe its time for you to take a break and turn the game off.
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No I don't, those two squads were a breath of fresh air to this cess pool.
It's apparent you're either ignorant or trolling. Personally I don't think you're clever enough to troll.
Or maybe they just threaten your little kingdom that's why you feel the need to bash them constantly.
You're sure not clever enough to change for the good of the arena.
You talk the talk with your little code of ethics post, but your post above is proof you don't mean any of it. Maybe you just do it for the attention.
You can always feel the love on these forums. :)
I rarely fly in AVA on tuesdays, seems almost like a third MA with the increase of new people to the arena.
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WTF you on Lowe??? Jumping OM's toejam is just out of line. While the majority of the staff has been dealing with RL issues (me included), OM and Soda have been doing the lion's share of keeping this arena alive....hell, they're the only reason right now the arena is still around.
I really don't give two toejams what issue you might have had with OM in the past, but get the diddly over it. The past year has seen the staff attempt several different things to try and make the majority happy....some have worked, some haven't. The one thing the staff has always done, and will continue to do, is listen to the opinions and suggestions of those who fly in the AvA. Unfortunately, as the old saying goes...opinions are like amazinhunks...everyone's got one. Some we can take and try to do something with...others are just better left forgotten.
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(Disclaimer) Anyone...and I mean that, anyone, who would like to submit an application (takes nothing more than an initial PM to one of the current staffers) to become an AvA Staffer, then please do so. If you think you can help us out, then lets hear from you. So many times we get folks who like to "suggest" how things should be run in the AvA, but then when they get asked to help make it happen, they either mysteriously disappear, or suddenly don't have the time....
things that make ya do hmmm.
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Can I be a staff member?
I like long walks on the beach, horseback riding, and giving romantic foot massages. Whats not to like. :D
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Can I be a staff member?
I like long walks on the beach, horseback riding, and giving romantic foot massages. Whats not to like. :D
There goes the Neighborhood
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WTF you on Lowe??? Jumping OM's stump is just out of line. While the majority of the staff has been dealing with RL issues (me included), OM and Soda have been doing the lion's share of keeping this arena alive....hell, they're the only reason right now the arena is still around.
I really don't give two stumps what issue you might have had with OM in the past, but get the twittle over it. The past year has seen the staff attempt several different things to try and make the majority happy....some have worked, some haven't. The one thing the staff has always done, and will continue to do, is listen to the opinions and suggestions of those who fly in the AvA. Unfortunately, as the old saying goes...opinions are like amazinhunks...everyone's got one. Some we can take and try to do something with...others are just better left forgotten.
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(Disclaimer) Anyone...and I mean that, anyone, who would like to submit an application (takes nothing more than an initial PM to one of the current staffers) to become an AvA Staffer, then please do so. If you think you can help us out, then lets hear from you. So many times we get folks who like to "suggest" how things should be run in the AvA, but then when they get asked to help make it happen, they either mysteriously disappear, or suddenly don't have the time....
things that make ya do hmmm.
Sheesh the pounding you take when you dare to question the sacred cow.
I'm not saying OM is a bad guy or he mooned the queen, keep your freakin shirt on.
He's a big boy and can fight his own fights.
We're exchanging PMs so you guys can call off the gangbang.
I can say in typical OM style he's respond with a much cooler head than those of you in his flock.
I don't agree with your disclaimer Duke.
In past years I've approached staff members about consideration and never heard a peep back.
The keys have been in the same peoples hands for years, and for years we go around and around the same old track.
I've tried in the past to give ideas, not that mine are any better than any posed by others. However I have yet to see them tried or given any consideration. Pretty much like volunteering for the staff.
Maybe there's no good answer and maybe there never will be.
It looks like trying to get to the bottom of it is out of the question though.
So this was a wasted effort.
The reason for a small amount of people in the AVA is simple.
You only make it appeal to a small amount of people, the very same people week after week.
It looks as if some new people came in Christmas eve and what happens?
The regulars are already complaining about how the new people flew and fought.
So it appears to me... Again this is my opinion. That the few people that fly in the AVA don't want new people.
They just want to say they want new people.
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There goes the Neighborhood
.eject fudgums :aok
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Shifty, Man you really need to get a clue on whats been going on in the AvA lately. You must participate in the arena to see who has been in there in the last month and who was in there on Christmas Eve. All regulars. Thats what made is such an odd evening. I know you had a past in here, but all I know is what I have seen since Ive been participating. Not under anyones wing or in a "Flock", just enjoy flying with the AvA community.
Seems like many throw rocks in a house of glass.
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Shifty, Man you really need to get a clue on whats been going on in the AvA lately. You must participate in the arena to see who has been in there in the last month and who was in there on Christmas Eve. All regulars. Thats what made is such an odd evening. I know you had a past in here, but all I know is what I have seen since Ive been participating. Not under anyones wing or in a "Flock", just enjoy flying with the AvA community.
Seems like many throw rocks in a house of glass.
You're correct on this point Tyrant.
It may very well be a different place now.
I do admit I am basing my opinions on the past experiance.
That past is based on years though so it's very hard for me to imagine anything different.
So I do freely admit I don't what's going on right now in the AVA.
Point taken. :aok
Thanks.
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The only threads that make 6 pages on this forum are the drama filled ones, not the constructive ones
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Sheesh the pounding you take when you dare to question the sacred cow.
Ooohhhh, that burns! "Cow," OK, I can accept that, but "sacred" is really kind of mean...
I hope this is the last post of this thread. I would like it to be, at least.
First, foremost, and far most important, the AvA is not run by yours truly. There's a whole group of us, headed by Fork. At different times some of us appear more frequently than others; you'll remember that Fork and Soda carried most of the first part of the year with The War setups, TheBug ran the arena for a couple of months after that, and Slash and Duke have controlled most of the admin matter all along. As Duke points out, right now the planets are aligned in such a way that most of the staff members have real life issues which prevent them from participating as much as they did earlier in the year. They will be back as things shake out for them. Of all the staff members, I am probably the only one who was initially elected as an assistant, and my sorcerer's skills remain far below those of the rest. That's one of the reasons why my setups tend to be more...er..."traditional," rather than imaginative. Things will get better as times go by.
Second, even an imbecile would not risk a friendship over a game. Shifty and I go way back; I have always valued his opinions. Probably because of this I lost my temper and came out with the "some people can't be pleased" comment, which I regret and for which I apologize. Shifty and I disagree on various details of what we consider to be the perfect AvA; possibly we always will. We can still get along here.
Third, one of the things that contributes to a robust arena is public participation. Otherwise I'd have to agree with Shifty that we'll have an arena that satisfies a small handful of people, and which is avoided by everyone else. If you think something's wrong with a setup, say so. If you have a notion of your own - as many of you do - post it here so we can put it up in the future.
Fourth, Duke is wrong (yes, it happens) when he says that anyone can be a staffer. HTC controls that, and we have found that HTC will not necessarily approve people who are recommended by the staff. If you want to be a staffer, let us know, but much as we wish we could, we can't just bring you on board. (There is mild tragedy in this, as I expect a number of us would love to be replaced.)
Finally, I really appreciate all the nice comments people have made. Thank you very much.
Look forward to seeing you all try Soda's new setup for the week.
- oldman
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Fourth, Duke is wrong (yes, it happens) when he says that anyone can be a staffer. HTC controls that, and we have found that HTC will not necessarily approve people who are recommended by the staff. If you want to be a staffer, let us know, but much as we wish we could, we can't just bring you on board. (There is mild tragedy in this, as I expect a number of us would love to be replaced.)
- oldman
That's funny. Every time I emailed Skuzzy asking to be a AvA staff member he said HTC has nothing to do with that. The only people that have any saying about new SEA or AvA staff members are the staff themselves.
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That's funny. Every time I emailed Skuzzy asking to be a AvA staff member he said HTC has nothing to do with that. The only people that have any saying about new SEA or AvA staff members are the staff themselves.
"You weak minded fool . . . he is using an old Jedi mind trick!"
(http://www.primalspirit.com/images/StarWars_JabbaLeia.JPG)
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With respect to all the staff, I do wish the entire staff would spend some more time in the AvA. Maybe I'm missing it, but I've really only seen Oldman on with any regularity. Trust me, as a father, holding a full time plus overtime job, with a small bit of land to take care of...you don't have to say it, I fully understand life comes first, ALWAYS. If it doesn't, you need to be committed lol.
However, I do feel there are some who fly in the AvA regularly who have the free time and dedication to really help the AvA. Maybe it would be a good time to add a staffer, give someone a trial for a few months, or if what Oldman says is true, replace a staffer who's gotten tired of the responsibility. Heck, I KNOW I wouldn't want the responsibility, your danged if you do danged if you don't. :)
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However, I do feel there are some who fly in the AvA regularly who have the free time and dedication to really help the AvA. Maybe it would be a good time to add a staffer, give someone a trial for a few months, or if what Oldman says is true, replace a staffer who's gotten tired of the responsibility. Heck, I KNOW I wouldn't want the responsibility, your danged if you do danged if you don't. :)
Only a handful of people have asked to be on the Staff over the last few years. I have repeatedly pointed out that we need more help to my fellow Staffers who all agree. Very few have been turned down for the job in the close to 5 years I've been on the so if you are intrested Republic, shoot me a PM and we will talk. That goes for any of the rest of you too. I don't know how many we need to add but it sure seems to me 2-3 more dedicated AvA types sure could not hurt. Kick it around and get back to me.
That's funny. Every time I emailed Skuzzy asking to be a AvA staff member he said HTC has nothing to do with that. The only people that have any saying about new SEA or AvA staff members are the staff themselves.
You were on and you quit. If you want to rehash all of the old bs again, fine with me. When you are ready to put all that in the past and move on, you know how to find me.
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Ooohhhh, that burns! "Cow," OK, I can accept that, but "sacred" is really kind of mean...
I hope this is the last post of this thread. I would like it to be, at least.
First, foremost, and far most important, the AvA is not run by yours truly. There's a whole group of us, headed by Fork. At different times some of us appear more frequently than others; you'll remember that Fork and Soda carried most of the first part of the year with The War setups, TheBug ran the arena for a couple of months after that, and Slash and Duke have controlled most of the admin matter all along. As Duke points out, right now the planets are aligned in such a way that most of the staff members have real life issues which prevent them from participating as much as they did earlier in the year. They will be back as things shake out for them. Of all the staff members, I am probably the only one who was initially elected as an assistant, and my sorcerer's skills remain far below those of the rest. That's one of the reasons why my setups tend to be more...er..."traditional," rather than imaginative. Things will get better as times go by.
Second, even an imbecile would not risk a friendship over a game. Shifty and I go way back; I have always valued his opinions. Probably because of this I lost my temper and came out with the "some people can't be pleased" comment, which I regret and for which I apologize. Shifty and I disagree on various details of what we consider to be the perfect AvA; possibly we always will. We can still get along here.
Third, one of the things that contributes to a robust arena is public participation. Otherwise I'd have to agree with Shifty that we'll have an arena that satisfies a small handful of people, and which is avoided by everyone else. If you think something's wrong with a setup, say so. If you have a notion of your own - as many of you do - post it here so we can put it up in the future.
Fourth, Duke is wrong (yes, it happens) when he says that anyone can be a staffer. HTC controls that, and we have found that HTC will not necessarily approve people who are recommended by the staff. If you want to be a staffer, let us know, but much as we wish we could, we can't just bring you on board. (There is mild tragedy in this, as I expect a number of us would love to be replaced.)
Finally, I really appreciate all the nice comments people have made. Thank you very much.
Look forward to seeing you all try Soda's new setup for the week.
- oldman
Okay Sacred Bull then. ;)
Thanks for the response both in this thread and the PMs Oldman.
I appreciate you listening.
I don't think you're the one that needs to apologize though, so I hope you'll accept mine.
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That's what I'm tak'in bout. Were having a John Wayne moment here. Play fair and shoot straight, got to love it.
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You were on and you quit. If you want to rehash all of the old bs again, fine with me. When you are ready to put all that in the past and move on, you know how to find me.
I was talking about when I asked skuzzy last year and he said it was up to you guys. Last time I asked fork he said it was up to skuzzy. I think I was just getting the run around back then because or how I have/was acting.
I'm not trying to start any crap, but I haven't been acting up in the last few months. I would like to be a staff member and as you can see with my Wednesday/Thursday night missions I'm trying to get more people in the arena, and its working pretty good. I know the arena settings like the back of my hand, and an okay on my WWII history.
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I was talking about when I asked skuzzy last year and he said it was up to you guys. Last time I asked fork he said it was up to skuzzy. I think I was just getting the run around back then because or how I have/was acting.
I'm not trying to start any crap, but I haven't been acting up in the last few months. I would like to be a staff member and as you can see with my Wednesday/Thursday night missions I'm trying to get more people in the arena, and its working pretty good. I know the arena settings like the back of my hand, and an okay on my WWII history.
Your dedication to the AvA does not go un-noticed and doing things like your missions can keep this arena alive. I'm all for getting a fresh start for the AvA in the new year so shoot me a PM and lets chat.
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Noting personal against larry in R/L.. but giving him the keys to the AvA just because he hasn't "acted" up... I could probably easily wind him up.... he'd not hesitate to retaliate with staff powers.
I haven't been in the arena nor this board (and was hoping not to), nor any plans to any time soon exactly because a staffer did this. The AvA is an arena just like any other. If it were merely arena settings (up) powers.. then... not too much of a problem with that.
It might be an uphill battle tho', because of JG54's history/reputation. I can't see Larry being impartial. I might be wrong.
Anyway, I'm gone from it, so.... whatever.
I sure hope the AvA does make headway of some sort - I was there from the beginning and see so much potential (and I'm far from a die-hard historical-only type of player.)
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Iv been a staff member before Shane and quit. When I was I only muted one guy that was talking about how he had "F'ed VWE's mother" after I told him and VWE to knock it off. If I became one again I wouldn't play any favorites. If you mouthed off on 200 bad enough Id treat you just like any other staff member would treat you. I don't take anything you or anyone says personal unless you make it personal, and I sure as hell wouldn't do anything to jeopardize staff membership.
The perdy blue text would come in handy when getting the mission organized to. :D
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Then by all means I hope they give you due and proper consideration. And if chosen, that you'll do the best you can.
The AvA is an interesting little subculture of HTC.
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I too hope they give you due and proper consideration. Then I hope they vote no. It's nothing personal TK.
I just don't think you're impartial enough, plus your coming off PNGs from the board and the game.
In my opinion more than a couple of months of good behavior should be required before handing you the keys.
It's true you've run missions lately and taken on a leadership role, that's comendable.
I've also seen you pull stunts and be disruptive in the arena. Personally I don't trust you to be a fair
staff member. I don't have a vote so it's not up to me and I seriously do wish you luck.
If you get selected I hope you prove me wrong.
I'm not trying to offend you TK. I'm just being honest.
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I too hope they give you due and proper consideration. Then I hope they vote no. It's nothing personal TK.
I just don't think you're impartial enough, plus your coming off PNGs from the board and the game.
In my opinion more than a couple of months of good behavior should be required before handing you the keys.
It's true you've run missions lately and taken on a leadership role, that's comendable.
I've also seen you pull stunts and be disruptive in the arena. Personally I don't trust you to be a fair
staff member. I don't have a vote so it's not up to me and I seriously do wish you luck.
If you get selected I hope you prove me wrong.
I'm not trying to offend you TK. I'm just being honest.
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First off Iv never been banned from the game, and the only reason I was PNGed from the BBS is because I did what you just did. (said bad things about staff members)
You don't trust me to be a fair staff member? Why not? Because I used to say what I had on my mind? The way I have acted in the past was because I really didn't have anything to lose. What were they going to do mute me for a week or ban me from the game? If I was a staff member I would have never acted like that because I would be representing the AvA, and could get the membership taken away if I did something wrong.
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I just love all the comments and pot stirring from those that either don't play the game anymore or have not been in the AvA in months! :rofl
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First off Iv never been banned from the game, and the only reason I was PNGed from the BBS is because I did what you just did. (said bad things about staff members)
You don't trust me to be a fair staff member? Why not? Because I used to say what I had on my mind? The way I have acted in the past was because I really didn't have anything to lose. What were they going to do mute me for a week or ban me from the game? If I was a staff member I would have never acted like that because I would be representing the AvA, and could get the membership taken away if I did something wrong.
I'm not trying to offend you Larry.
I didn't realize you, left the game on your own accord.
So I apologize for being mistaken.
Like I said, I wish you luck and if you make it.
I hope you prove me wrong.
Nothing personal.
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TK, fix your PM's. I cant respond.
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Until some of the AvA guys get over the 'small pond, big attitude' feelings, it will never take off. Too many of you take the game way too seriously...
I went into the AvA after Storch left, trying to give it a fresh look. I had a couple fights (one really good fight against Shamus) and within 30 minutes I got a PM from a consistant AvA flyer telling me to take my gamey P38 back into the MA after smacking a vulcher who missed his first 3 passes.
Imho, the AvA needs to draw from the MA and currently there is little to offer the MA flyer that he cannot get there or in midwar, attitudes aside.