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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: simshell on December 27, 2008, 02:33:45 PM
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am interested in reading a book that covers the experience of a German Pilot
kinda of open ended I know
but am not really sure where to look
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Spitfire on My Tail: A View from the Other Side by Ulrich Steinhilper
try Amazon :aok
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Here you go:
http://www.amazon.com/Stuka-Pilot-Hans-Ulrich-Rudel/dp/1847680003/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230412760&sr=8-3 (http://www.amazon.com/Stuka-Pilot-Hans-Ulrich-Rudel/dp/1847680003/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230412760&sr=8-3)
and
http://www.amazon.com/First-Last-Adolf-Galland/dp/0899667287/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230412814&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/First-Last-Adolf-Galland/dp/0899667287/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230412814&sr=1-2)
Anything else, just doesn't have that "first hand account."
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I flew for the Fuhrur(Spelled correctly) by Heinz Knoke
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I flew for the Fuhrur(Spelled correctly) by Heinz Knoke
"I Flew for the Fuhrer." :D Read it a few years back.
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A good read about the highest scoring ace in history:
http://www.amazon.com/Blond-Knight-Germany-Raymond-Toliver/dp/0830681892/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/182-5711440-6274714?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230414818&sr=8-1
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alright I orderd blond night of Germany and I Flew for the Fuhrer
I still find it hard to belive that someone shot down 352 planes
is that accurate?
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alright I orderd blond night of Germany and I Flew for the Fuhrer
I still find it hard to belive that someone shot down 352 planes
is that accurate?
yes - enjoy your books
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"I Flew for the Fuhrer." :D Read it a few years back.
eh I was close :)
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eh I was close :)
No worries, my post was ignored by him anyways and were written by Galland and Rudel. Nothing like reading an "Autobiography."
fud, read those two I mentioned if you haven't already.
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alright I orderd blond night of Germany and I Flew for the Fuhrer
I still find it hard to belive that someone shot down 352 planes
is that accurate?
YES not only that but he had 1,400 combat sorties, was shoot down 9 times, never entered his silk, and the one that he was most proud of NEVER LOST A WING MAN.
some americans will tell you the germans lied about the numbers.
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The Germans either flew until the war was over or died.
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Hartmann also flew solely against the Soviets. Lots of German aces racked up huge numbers of kills against the Soviets; the top 3 aces of all time were Erich 'Bubi' Hartmann (352), Gerhard Barkhorn (301), and Guenther Rall (275). The highest scoring ace in Western Europe/North Africa was Hans-Joachim Marseilles, who scored 158 kills against the British and Americans, whom the pilots in the Luftwaffe considered much more skilled than the Soviets (however, the Soviets had the highest scoring Allied ace, Ivan Kozhedub with 60 kills).
"I Flew for the Fuhrer." :D Read it a few years back.
Wrong :D
The 'u' has an umlaut, meaning the correct spelling with an American keyboard would be 'Fuerher' unless you type out the unicode. :)
'I Flew for the Fueher' is an amazing book BTW. It's really a collection of memoirs, so you see what his feelings were as these events were going on. It starts before the war, goes through his enlistment in the Luftwaffe, his training, and then finally his... activation I guess you'd call it? He flew first in the Battle of Britain with Jagdgeschwader 52, among greats such as Krupinski, etc... (all the pilots I listed above flew with JG52 at one point or another). The Geschwader then transferred to Russia for Operation: Barbarossa, and after taking part in the initial attack and flying there for a short amount of time (he didn't score any kills in Russia) he was transferred to Jagdgeschwader 1. JG1 at this time flew Reich Defense operations in Northern Germany. In time Knoke became 'Staffelkapitaen' (head of a Staffel; 12-16 aircraft) of 2./JG1 (part of I/JG1). In May 1943 I/JG1 became part of a new Geschwader and was designated II/JG11, which made Knoke's Staffel 5./JG11 (the picture in my avatar is of this group in summer '43 IIRC). Knoke's 'Fighting 5th' became one of the more successful RVG Staffels during this period. As the war went on, however, JG11 took extremely heavy casualties. Knoke was eventually posted to Gruppekommodore of III(I think...)/JG1 in the later half of 1944, but was crippled by a roadside bomb and wasn't able to assume this post. He's actually lucky, as JG11 was decimated in the famous Operation Bodenplatte not long after.
It really is an amazing book.
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Hartmann also flew solely against the Soviets. Lots of German aces racked up huge numbers of kills against the Soviets; the top 3 aces of all time were Erich 'Bubi' Hartmann (352), Gerhard Barkhorn (301), and Guenther Rall (275). The highest scoring ace in Western Europe/North Africa was Hans-Joachim Marseilles, who scored 158 kills against the British and Americans, whom the pilots in the Luftwaffe considered much more skilled than the Soviets (however, the Soviets had the highest scoring Allied ace, Ivan Kozhedub with 60 kills).
Wrong :D
The 'u' has an umlaut, meaning the correct spelling with an American keyboard would be 'Fueher' unless you type out the unicode. :)
Should I post a picture of the Book? Better yet, go to Amazon. I took two years of German, I do know the German language. An umlaut over the U has nothing to do with it. The "R" is in both the German and English dialects.
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Whoops, I left out the 'r' as a typo. The proper way to depict a vowel without an umlaut without using an umlaut is combining it with an 'e'.
You don't need to post a picture, the book sits 6" above my monitor along with the majority of the rest of my WWII-related books.
For all practical purposes typing in English, it doesn't really matter (like fuerher/furher) but a vowel with an umlaut does sound different than a vowel without an umlaut. Furthermore, there are words with and without umlauts that are otherwise similar the mean different things (ex. 'schon' and 'schön').
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BETRAYED SKIES - A Novel.
Braunburg, Rudolf
I really enjoyed this book when I found it years ago. While it's a novel, he clearly knows his 190s. He's not an "ace' which is probably why I like it. He's trying to stay alive and make sense of it all at the same time. In some ways it was this book that made Luftwaffe pilots more human for me.
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Spitfire on My Tail: A View from the Other Side by Ulrich Steinhilper
try Amazon :aok
lol, heck i might even read this one. :aok
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"JG26: Top Guns of the Luftwaffe" by Donald Caldwell