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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: dirtdart on December 29, 2008, 12:50:19 AM
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I burn my perks like a crack addict purchases product, that aside, I am awfully ticked off by eny balances changing through the course of a few flights and then when I eventually am vanquished (which always happens), losing tons more perks than what I blew on the plane in the first place. This is by the way an official whine. Bought a Tempy for 33, lost 41. The other day bough one for 44, lost 69.95, how do you lose .05 perks. :mad: <--- inserted crappy "emoticon"
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Guess you know the eny changed while in flight.
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The perk purchase should be calculated based on the Eny that was in effect on takeoff. If this isn't the case, that's bogus.
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Could care less about perks. I can't recall the last time I even used perks for anything. P38G drivers don't ever use em :)
You don't need a Tempest, or to worry about ENY. Kill em in something less uber!
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I rarely use them except for the Tiger, Corsair, and C hog. As far as GV perks you can get tons of them by resupplying bases. Mostly though I fly unperked planes. Haven't flown he Tempest or 262 in about a year in MA. Think the 262 is fairly weak and when you fly the Tempest or the 262 you are bullseye.
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Perk cost calculating on take off, but value you see in hangar not always accurate.
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I dont fly perks much either but I'm not about to tell somebody what they need to, or dont need to, fly. The FU4-4 is about the only perked plane I have interest in, add the AR-234 to that. I think this is a legitimate complaint but there should be control models for the airplanes. That is if you want to keep the perks even with what they were when you took off then you shouldn't be allowed a re-arm. If you want to roll with the floating perks, and some guys have so many they dont care, then you can re-arm as often as you like.
But to have 262s going off at 125 perkies due to eny, and to allow the game to maintain the perk amount , AND, allow unlimited re-arms? Might screw up the balance some.
On the other hand Ive always believed perked airplanes just dont tilt the game much because there are so many effective low eny airplanes out there. And not just that but there are numerous, capable ,15+ eny planes that can mix it up with anything. I was in one such plane yesterday, the 205.
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Never use perks........
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Whats a perk? :P
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you're taking a gamble when you fly them. if you can't afford to lose em, then don't fly em till ya can.
i think i flew a tempest once or twice. didin't like it. i think i drive a tiger once. i was able to afford the perks when i lost it.
to be honest though, it is so much more fun taking lower performing aircraft, and makin all you uber ride drivers work extra hard for your kills...for which youll earn next to nothing mind you.....or even better yet, last long enough for you to make thst one fatal mistake, that'll cost ya your perked ride.
same in gv's. so much more fun in a panzer or a t-34....although i suck pretty ad in any gv.
have fun
<<S>>
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ehh.. Never knew u was in the Playmates.. just shout my name at Alpha and Rodent.. they will throw something abusive but funny back at ya.. :lol
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Yeah I know.... perk planes are for dweebs, blah blah... I usually fly a typhoon or a zeke. However, it is fun to blast around in a tempest (420 kts at 21k, no WEP) when you spend the majority of the day in a zeke. I am just ticked off about losing more than my investment, especially when I had 3-4 kills when I got cooked. Anyway, venting.
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Yeah I know.... perk planes are for dweebs, blah blah... I usually fly a typhoon or a zeke. However, it is fun to blast around in a tempest (420 kts at 21k, no WEP) when you spend the majority of the day in a zeke. I am just ticked off about losing more than my investment, especially when I had 3-4 kills when I got cooked. Anyway, venting.
I always find when i flew a Zeke / Temp id get these problems
Zeke : 1 bullet = Onfire :noid
Tempest : 1 bullet = Radiator hit :noid
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The perks you see in the hanger are the current values at the time you enter the hanger, and is a static snapshot. If you waste time in the hanger (setting fuel/ords/comvergence) the perk value will change since it is fluid and constantly re-calculated. The hanger value doesn't update, but behind the scenes it does. The actual value you are charged is the current calculated value at the time you take the plane out of the hanger, which most of the time is not what the hanger shows.
So, don't up a perk ride if you really care about your perk bank account.
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Yeah I know.... perk planes are for dweebs, blah blah... I usually fly a typhoon or a zeke. However, it is fun to blast around in a tempest (420 kts at 21k, no WEP) when you spend the majority of the day in a zeke. I am just ticked off about losing more than my investment, especially when I had 3-4 kills when I got cooked. Anyway, venting.
i never said they were for dweebs.............
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Fly higher ENY planes and then you won't even have to look at your perks when you want to fly a Tempest.
If I recall, I flew the 190A-8 a lot when I wanted to build up perks. It's not too hard to get 20-30 perks in a single sortie in that beast.
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I tried upping a 262 this morning for my second flight I think it was..still wasn't awake and crashed into the water before I saw any red guys. No more hair dryers for me
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I only use 262 when drunk, save my perks for F4U-1C and -4.
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While buzzing around in perk AC can be fun. I find it more enjoyable acquiring the perks....if you know what I mean. :devil
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Anyone use thier Bomber Perks? The AR 234 is a fun ride to go out and try to hit something with the Bombs and zoom away as fighters strain to get a passing shot. 262 is way too expensive and should be perked lower. Many have gone down with a few hits and ruined a pilots day. Get good in non-perked planes and use perks sparingly. :D
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You are charged for the perks at the end of your sortie. If you roll a 262 and it costs 200 perks then die ten minutes later and it costs 300 you lose 300.
Anyone use thier Bomber Perks? The AR 234 is a fun ride to go out and try to hit something with the Bombs and zoom away as fighters strain to get a passing shot.
I don't get why people cry about not having anything to spend their bomber perks on. The 234 is a great plane to fly. If a CV needs killing then I roll a formation of them and take it out. If I feel like a laugh I roll a single and dive bomb GVs then take out their air cover with the 20mms.
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If that's the case, Larry, then the perk system is porked.
You shouldn't lose more perks than you spend.
Imadot's explanation made alot of sense. But, if in fact someone is buying their 262 at a bargain price and then ENY shoots up, if they get bonked for the new, higher perk price, then that's just not fair.
Glad to see that at least two folks decided to answer dirt's question instead of telling all of us how worthless perks are, and how cool it is to never fly perk planes.
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Yeah, I read that explaination in another thread quite a while ago. I think that thread also suggested to add an update to the game to pop up a message box when you actually get around to upping that perk ride, to tell you exactly what the perk price is as you leave the hanger.
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I always find when i flew a Zeke / Temp id get these problems
Zeke : 1 bullet = Onfire :noid
Tempest : 1 bullet = Radiator hit :noid
And that is why I rarely fly either.
F4u1d: 20 cannon round hits = it limps back to base. Oil leak = you can go one sector, Fuel leak=it's over
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Wow........
So many people trying to pad their post count on this one.....
What gives me the right to say that?
VERY FEW OF YOU are actually engaged in the discussion. "I don't use them" doesn't really give any sort of input on the topic, nor your opinion of it.
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Wow........
So many people trying to pad their post count on this one.....
What gives me the right to say that?
VERY FEW OF YOU are actually engaged in the discussion. "I don't use them" doesn't really give any sort of input on the topic, nor your opinion of it.
Since you seem to need clarification. If you need to spend your time worrying about perk points, your priorities are wrong in my opinion. And a complaint about the perk system to me is nothing more then a whine to HTC wanting them to make it easier
To me, one of the dumbest phrases yet to come out of this game is 'perk farming'. That anyone takes the time to think about earning perks, to me, says they are missing the point of the game.
When I see an ENY comment, all I see is someone wanting their uber bird to fly among the horde. Throw that in with the ongoing wishlist stuff for more this and more that, and it speaks to folks who have no idea how much there is to do or to use in the game.
I was watching some of the kids I work with, play Halo the other day. It's a game I;ve played with my own kids. These kids I was watching, spent all their time looking for the shortest way around combat, talked about the cheats they'd learned to avoid combat or to make them more invincible. They didn't want to actually just use what they had and fight the fight.
I see that more and more in AH and I just don't get it. So you don't like the perk system? Get over it. No one dies, there are all kinds of free planes. Get in there and mix it up.
That clear enough for ya?
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If that's the case, Larry, then the perk system is porked.
You shouldn't lose more perks than you spend.
Imadot's explanation made alot of sense. But, if in fact someone is buying their 262 at a bargain price and then ENY shoots up, if they get bonked for the new, higher perk price, then that's just not fair.
Glad to see that at least two folks decided to answer dirt's question instead of telling all of us how worthless perks are, and how cool it is to never fly perk planes.
Well toonces he didn't take the time to search the boards... what makes you think he will read the posts to his....
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Get rid of the "perks" and while at it get rid of the ""blah, blah, scored xxx victory's"...certainly might improve the game..imho :furious
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I burn my perks like a crack addict purchases product, that aside, I am awfully ticked off by eny balances changing through the course of a few flights and then when I eventually am vanquished (which always happens), losing tons more perks than what I blew on the plane in the first place. This is by the way an official whine. Bought a Tempy for 33, lost 41. The other day bough one for 44, lost 69.95, how do you lose .05 perks. :mad: <--- inserted crappy "emoticon"
You must of had a few kills?
The way I had it explained to me... you lose your perks and the points you may have got....or something to do with your opponents plane cost/loss.
I could be wrong?
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Ah but then we would also remove all the perked aircraft. As HiTech says, perks are a function of side balancing, same as eny. Wait..... Did he say that?
Get rid of the "perks"
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Took my M4 out and it cost me 5 perks and killeed 2 tiger 3 panzies and 1 M4 then someone got a lucky shot on me and when i checked i had lost 6.93 perks sounds alittle lame to me. ive been killed after totalling as many as 12 kills and still lost perks this is just plain wrong. Even if ya land youre tank after 5 or 6 kills the perks recieved are laughable. anymore i just dont even look at perk totals its just not worth the aggrivation.
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I'm not really sure why its such a big deal for some players to want to fly perk planes or why this has even become a debate in this thread. If you buy the plane to fly, the price shouldn't go up in flight or down for that matter, that's bogus. It's not valid to justify this by saying you shouldn't be in the plane in the first place. The OP asked a pretty reasonable question. I remember when I first started flying Aces High years ago I couldn't wait to save up for the 262. It was a side goal to be able to fly that bird, and when I'd die in it, I'd have to save up for it again. It was quite fun, but of course, just a phase until I learned the greater aspects of the game. So shouldn't it be fair for those pilots that can't rack up thousands of perks at will in high eny planes to be able to get the perk price agreed upon before take off? I don't see what the big deal is.
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ImADot's explanation is correct ... Larry's is wrong.
Also ... anyone who takes out a "perk" ride, be it a plane or GV ... kills a few opponents ... and lands and is expecting gobs of perks ... forget about it ... it ain't gonna happen.
I take Tigers and FireFlys out of the hanger to put up a strong defense ... never expecting but doodily-squat for perks if I land.
So what if it cost you 5,10, even 20 more perks than what was displayed in the hangar ... peanuts in the larger scheme of things ... replacing those perks should be a piece of cake.
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Wow........
So many people trying to pad their post count on this one.....
What gives me the right to say that?
VERY FEW OF YOU are actually engaged in the discussion. "I don't use them" doesn't really give any sort of input on the topic, nor your opinion of it.
Ouch! :rofl
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I'm not really sure why its such a big deal for some players to want to fly perk planes or why this has even become a debate in this thread. If you buy the plane to fly, the price shouldn't go up in flight or down for that matter, that's bogus.
It doesn't go up or down during a sortie ... read ImADot's post and what exactly happens.
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If your on the high number side and upping a tiger..... consider it rental fee.
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It doesn't go up or down during a sortie ... read ImADot's post and what exactly happens.
Cool, there shouldn't really be a complaint then.
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Dot got it, but I'll copy/paste my last reply on this topic anyways :)
Currently, it is only the server that has the official real time perk modifier info. The info you find in the hanger is computed on your front end based on your roster data when you entered the hanger. If you logon and do not allow your roster to populate before entering the hanger, you'll see an inaccurate number. Depending on the arena population, then length of time you linger in the hanger before launching may also give you an inaccurate number.
Why does it work that way? Probably because the game was not designed with perk modifiers in mind since they were add-ons to the existing game.
HiTech has stated previously that he has looked into complaints and players do get charged for the perk cost at the time of spawning. Any discrepancies should be due to the price in the hanger not being up to date with the actual price at the instant of spawning.
This is incorrect...
You are charged for the perks at the end of your sortie. If you roll a 262 and it costs 200 perks then die ten minutes later and it costs 300 you lose 300.
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ImADot's explanation is correct ... Larry's is wrong.
Lol no, its not. Iv upped perk planes before when I barley had enough perks to fly it then when I lost it I had negative perks. If I'm wrong then how was I able to roll that perk ride if I didn't have enough perks?
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If I'm wrong then how was I able to roll that perk ride if I didn't have enough perks?
Because your slightly out of date front end info said you had enough. When you spawn, your front end requests and logs the true current cost from the server. The hanger price is only as up to date as the roster info that your front end has.
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Because your slightly out of date front end info said you had enough. When you spawn, your front end requests and logs the true current cost from the server. The hanger price is only as up to date as the roster info that your front end has.
But shouldn't it say then "you don't have enough perks" instead of getting you into negative perks? ;) (Not that i ever had negative perks myself, a negative "gain" from a sortie: yes. But never a negative total.)
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Since I don't care about perks, I only hope in one of the next patches, HTC implements a pop-up when you try to spawn a perked ride, which shows you what you will actually be charged and allow you to cancel the spawn if you decide (or don't have enough perks) to up that ride. Then this subject will forever be laid to rest.
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But shouldn't it say then "you don't have enough perks" instead of getting you into negative perks? ;) (Not that i ever had negative perks myself, a negative "gain" from a sortie: yes. But never a negative total.)
Oh yes, I can see the complaint and bug report threads now asking why they can't spawn when the hanger info says they do have enough perks :)
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Oh yes, I can see the complaint and bug report threads now asking why they can't spawn when the hanger info says they do have enough perks :)
What? People complain about stupid crap? That's silly.... This thread is a waste of time, the question has been answered, lets move on to a more productive topic. What do you guys think about Head-on shooting? Valid tactic or no?
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
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What? People complain about stupid crap? That's silly.... This thread is a waste of time, the question has been answered, lets move on to a more productive topic. What do you guys think about Head-on shooting? Valid tactic or no?
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
head on is the only way to shoot your enemy. it's dishonerable to shoot someone in the back. :D :noid
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What? People complain about stupid crap? That's silly.... This thread is a waste of time, the question has been answered, lets move on to a more productive topic. What do you guys think about Head-on shooting? Valid tactic or no?
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.
Don't forget collisions can't have a good cry unless collisions are involved.
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You are all looking at this from the wrong angle. The way it is now is actually a benefit. Say you want to take up a 262. Your front end Cost says 164. You have 168 perk points. The actual server price upon launching is 175 points. You have effectively upped a 262 you could not afford.
At most, everyone is whining about a 20 to 50 point difference. If you had 300 perks to use would you not take a 175 perk point 262 vs. a 168 point one? I mean, do you want to fly it or not?
Land a couple of sorties in a 109 or 190 and you will make up the extra points quickly anyway. Don't die in your perk plane or tank and you won't notice the difference in points anyway.
Any complaints on how your dead perk ride cost less when you blew up if ENY goes down before you have launched?
wrongway
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Ah but then we would also remove all the perked aircraft. As HiTech says, perks are a function of side balancing, same as eny. Wait..... Did he say that?
Side Balancing you say!? Phooey, don't need no steenkin "balances"..this is WAR. :rofl
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What? People complain about stupid crap? That's silly.... This thread is a waste of time, the question has been answered, lets move on to a more productive topic.
Best way to end a thread is to get drdeathx to post a retarded random picture. Allow me.
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