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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kieren on January 24, 2001, 11:00:00 PM
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...and I don't care who knows it. Therefore, so as to not clutter the airwaves for the generals who need an open channel over which to continually chastize us (the troops) I will be squelching the country channel. No offense, I just would rather fight and die in the style I feel befitting my $29.95 without unsolicited advice on how I can have more fun and be smarter, too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LOL.. may I suggest.. dare I say it... some A1 sauce on yer furball pie??
<S!> to you Kieren, and bless the troops; god love 'em, they're good to have around and ops staff should treat 'em right.. otherwise they would all be lonely and very frightened when things got ugly.
The troops don't like to be hollered at. And I hate officer noises.. being a troop myself, I still chuckle when they get all worked up.. it is a rather piss-poor way to get a keyboard busted. Then; their fingers prolly hurt so bad they can't knit.
Along the way I have discovered that if I make a green bar in another grid larger than the one in the A1 grid... (combined ops)
I find that works much better than hollering. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
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Exactly why we need the Brewster Buffalo! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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more power to you, Kieren. Some people take field, some people fur. I find I need both, mostly I get all worked up trying to help with field and if htings go well, I get a vulch orgy, then move to another field. Often however after 1/2-3/4 hour without gettting a field I tend to go furballing ...
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If yer just furballin' - then there's no real reason to tune in to the country channel, is there? Seems like you've found an acceptable solution.
To the guys that are trying to get *their* kicks outta doing planned missions... well.. where else to accomplish this *but* the country channel? And more power to those guys also.
See - everyone's happy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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if you admit that you enjoy it the amish, enemies of fun, will try to figure out a way that you can't do it..... You may bet your house on it.
If you are having fun then you are ignoring them....
lazs
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Now tell me how you squech your Country Channel? er squelch (darn sticky keys)
[This message has been edited by JimBear (edited 01-25-2001).]
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Hallelujuh Kieren!
Last night we had Knights squeaking about people flying and furballing at A1. When they pat my monthly subscription I'll do what they think is right.
I had about an hour to have fun online last night and fun for me was not defending anything nor trying to capture somewhere else. I wanted to scrap with some fine opposition, which I did, with as many rinse & repeats as I wanted. Cripes amighty I found em too. A big <S> to Moss, CP and the others trying to keeeeel us at A1 ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
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We definitely need a .squelch 2 command or a .squelch amish command.
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Since I was in a ranting mood and went into Toko-ri mode last night, I'd just like to clarify something here:
I have nothing against furballing. Furball when and where you like. Fine. What I find idiotic are the people who start yelling "We're gonna lose A1. Everybody defend A1" when A8 is about to go. They continue yelling and insisting on the priority of A1 through A11, P14, A18, A17, and A15. Somewhere in there, someone will yell "my god, we're losing V27!"; somebody else decides the best way to stem the tide is to plan an HQ strike.
Sorry, but when people who are claiming to play the strat game insist on defending A1, which is designed to be a part of a furball center (That's why there are three main fields close to each other in the middle), I get annoyed.
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I have absolutely no problem with anyone wanting strat. I do think it is a big world, and like Westy, often when I log I have just this >-< much time to spend, and it doesn't include enough time to launch a deep strike to the enemy resources, a lone-pilot last stand at a vultched base, or suicide mission into the flak of a faraway enemy fleet. I have time to find a few satisfying ACM duels, and I do that by climbing high and looking for that dot on the periphery that is hanging out around a base looking for easy scalps. In most cases I'll find a good pilot that I will have to work very hard to kill, if I do at all. And if I lose, at least I had a chance, not like popping up over and over on a base covered in blue-draped hispanos.
What was most annoying to me last night was the nonstop railing on the Knights at A1 for doing exactly what they wanted to do. I don't give a damn about the war, perk points, or my score. I don't care if we lose on a reset. I don't have the time to get that involved.
I don't tell strat guys they are stupid for playing their way, or that they can't be having fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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...not like popping up over and over on a base covered in blue-draped hispanos.
ROFL... Kieren, you have a really great gift for the turn of a phrase. <S!> Sir!
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
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Maybe HTC should open a "AirCombatArena" for guys who like to furball?
Cut out middle-islands and move it to its own arena. That way they could have their own fun with AH and then they dont have to listen if someone asks help to capture more fields to your country.
Maybe players should get points not for reseting arena but field capturing instead? (Jaboing/Bombing/shelling ack and structures, Shooting down planes in bases airspace etc.)
That way the guys who try to capture bases and that way trying to reset arena could get the reward they deserved.
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"Maybe HTC should open a "AirCombatArena" for guys who like to furball?"
Why? I'm not complaining or even saying that anyone was able to interfere with what I wanted to do, only that last night there were several folks choking the country channel with alot of whine.
Maybe there should be a small arena for the minority of generals? Hmmmm?
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 01-25-2001).]
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Things got kind of ugly last night -- part of what happens when you lose.
Frankly, when someone yells "we're losing XX" on the channel, I never respond. 9 times out of 10 the field is already lost. What bugged me were the generals insisting that A1 be defended, as we could then go out and capture fields from there (never mind that our barracks complex was being milked, and A1s barracks were down for the duration), when the spawn-and-get-vulched crowd could have gone somewhere else and pissed folks off, and the field capturers had much more sensible targets.
I'm in favor of keeping the center islands; they are a good area for furballing. But to get people screaming about the absolute strategic necessity of holding A1 while we are losing the war, that I can't take too much of.
I guess I need a .tardsquelch
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The problem I had with A1 last night was that some of the guys that were trying to save it were also the ones screaming for the rest of us to save the rest of the bases. Yeah we had 60 people on but 40 where at or going to A1.
I can understand wanting to furball or what ever you like but when you lose 10 bases so you can keep one is stupid!
By all means fly the way you want..I know I sure as hell do but I'm not going to be on the side that's going to lose the war because of the A1 furball mentality.
I know I know all sides do it but not all sides do it at the same time. I'll just have to find the side that is more interested in winning the war and join them.
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Heh Dinger, I was hearing the other side of the battle. HURRY lets get A1, WE NEED HELP A1, HAVEN'T YOU GUYS GOT A1 yet!!
I got tired of that too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) With the numbers that were converging on A1 it was uncaptureable, especially with the yeller bastids not willing to strafe acks (hope it wasn't those ppl screaming for help in capturing it)
And while all these resources were being spent on hitting A1 some of our other bases were being hit.
Those big bases typically defend themselves alot of the time, it takes just a handful of guys to defend a field like that. People just don't realize that.
I do think a Fightertown style arena would be welcomed by the community, and it would see quite a bit of traffic IMO. We have a large enough player base to support it now as well. (permit no freebies in it, and it would probably get very busy!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
SKurj
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IMHO, spawners are valid and useful tactic.
Valid, because it is not cheating, and it takes a hvy toll on ranking. Plus, it exploits a badly executed attack.
Useful, because it buys time for the rest of the country, fix valuable resources from the attacker's side, and, eventually, could prevent the field from taking.
So, pls, don't bash on us, poor hopeless defenders. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cheers,
Pepe
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Yeah, I am not discriminant about the yelling. The minute it starts, I tune out. I play strat on rare occasions. I sometimes will try a one-man stand at bases as well. I may say "help at 7" once or twice, but I am not about to go on about it on the country channel. The people who are gonna help will be there after the first call or two. After that you waste your breath.
Last night I kept hearing things like "You stupid guys couldn't defend the VH?! LOSERS!" "You idiots went for the VH? I said hit the acks!" (direct quotes, btw). I listened to that for the duration of my flying, laughing. No damn way I am gonna help anyone yelling like that.
I don' need no steeeenkeeng veeeheekul haingurrr....
I don' need no steeeenkeeeng feeeeeld captuuurre....
I jus' wan' some FUR-balllllll.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 01-25-2001).]
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We need to strike a balance.. the strat guys should not be at odds with the furballers or vice versa. Enuff 'space' exists for both..
Most strat guys look at the map and see what needs to be done.. but it ain't his squads 'night' and the immediate problem for him is "Where do I get the pilot resources to do what must be done??"
Combined Ops is an answer.. 3 guys from this squad; 2 from that one, another 4 from this outfit over there.. none of them out flying on squad night, none by themselves have the resources to make an impact on the strat. But together, they do. Suddenly instead of just 1 or 2 or 4 guys trying to reverse the losses being suffered by the country it's 8 to 12 guys.. and with 8-12 guys running a programme where all know the others responsibilties, and do it RIGHT, well dammo, yah got a significant impact on strat real soon.
Let the furballers hang out at A1.. the competent ones; when they see attacks succeeding, and realise that they can participate in one via the click of a mouse (because a FAST ATTACK mission is usually always up in the map room) will begin to feel comfortable about joining in to do a task or fly a slot on a mission in part because when his Squad flew in a Combined Ops Night on the last Thursday he had FUN... and in part because mindless furballin can get old. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Let 'em furball I say, and when they get tired of no radar, they'll come bish; and fly missions when they ain't furballing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
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yeah i like the missions and coordinated squad stuff but.......
i cant stand this stuff:
"ARE YOU GUYS BLIND AND STUPID!!! ATTACK!!!"
"OH WELL I GUESS WE WILL ALL JUST DIE SINCE NO ONE WILL HELP"
"SIGH....<MARTYR MODE ON>....NO ONE WILL HELP I GUESS ALL MY HARD WORK IS IN VAIN.."
trying to coordinate is one thing but hopin on the country channel and trying to insult people into helping wont get you far with me....
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Originally posted by Westy:
Maybe there should be a small arena for the minority of generals? Hmmmm
IMHO HTC really should open two arenas:
-One for furballing and
-one for (as Westy says) "Generals".
That way we all could live happily to the end of our miserable lifes without having to argue/listen people who dont share our pow's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Also that might be a way to fight against some other games which are coming later this year.
Only way to stay in business is keep your customers happy with your product.
After all some of us are looking a game with more "depth" than furballing (No insult here Westy & Others).
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 01-25-2001).]
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Hang:
Combined Ops is an answer.. 3 guys from this squad; 2 from that one, another 4 from this outfit over there.. none of them out flying on squad night, none by themselves have the resources to make an impact on the strat. But together, they do. Suddenly instead of just 1 or 2 or 4 guys trying to reverse the losses being suffered by the country it's 8 to 12 guys.. and with 8-12 guys running a programme where all know the others responsibilties, and do it RIGHT, well dammo, yah got a significant impact on strat real soon.
Sounds like this is something new to the Bishops? About time you guys caught on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 01-25-2001).]
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"Also that might be a way to fight against some other games which are coming later this year. Only way to stay in business is keep your customers happy with your product. After all some of us are looking a game with more "depth" than furballing (No insult here Westy & Others)."
No insult taken and I'm not intending to be either! <S>
But last night the customers DID speak by thier actions. Many, many folks wanted to furball at A1.
As for competing with other games in the future? These games (only one really that I can think of <G> ) will have the same problem. Actually it will be WORSE. Why? Because it is mission centric and every one there will be "a little general" by either posting too many missions or if they do not have the rank to do so they will constantly express thier opinion of what should be done over the common channel - just as they have in AW, WB's and here in AH.
There is no escape from having to deal with what other people want to do, even if it is not what some think they should do. Well, EXCEPT, in scenarios where a military like obedience is the "norm" and allegiance to the cause is expected.
There is no war to be won in the MA. There is a reset, rinse & repeat. A hamsters life.
Allow me to share this with you. From a friend I had in AW a few years back. It's something he wrote in response to the same kind of issue when folks did not understand why people would not listen to thier passionate (snork!) entreaties to rally for the land grabbing cause"
-Westy
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Hampsters Dream -- by Pasha
HAMPSTER'S MAIN OBJECTIVE:
....eEEeee......eEEeee....... ...eEEeee......eEEeee......
1) I will win the war in
BigPac(ie. the main arena)....eEEeee......eEEeee....... ...eEEeee......eEEeee......
Section A: Win the War. (Chewing Aluminum Tubes for Water)
To complete this objective will be easy for me as a rodent, I am naturally
nocturnal. I will fly unescorted buffs....eEEeee......eEEeee.. ...., deep
into enemy territory....eEEeee......eEEe ee......, without
gunners....eEEeee......eEEeee ......, by myself on the
longest....eEEeee......eEEeee ......, most
boring....eEEeee......eEEeee. ....., anti-social....eEEeee......eEEeee......
Point Grab....eEEeee......eEEeee... ... I can think
of....eEEeee......eEEeee..... .
To complete my main objective, I will have to learn a few things to
compete against an expected opposing enemy force of 2 (two), some of these
will surely be ripping my wings, flying in a straight line at an altitude
that is easy to get to in 2 minutes, and finding the "b" key on my keboard,
that is yellow, and orange to match the tunnel, leading to the tower, next
to my water bottle....eEEeee......eEEeee. .....
Section B: I need Points (And Cedar Chips)
I refuse to accept the fact that taking bases was meant to be done by
squads on their squad nites, or impromptu "JAM SESSIONS" put together by
maybe 8-10 guys, making it a team effort, all I really know is you get less
points if you fly with a squad, those bastards end up getting all the
points, besides it is a wasted effort trying to take a base by myself when
there are enemy fighters up.
Section C: Scenario Points don't show in BigPac (I toejam where I sleep)
I would't last 30 seconds in a SCENARIO, besides SCENARIOS HAVE
OBJECTIVES that humans see important, as a HAMPSTER I would be wasting time
in a SCENARIO...... YOU ONLY GET 1 LIFE THERE!!!! Plus you have to accept
orders, just like the humans did in the real war the humans talk about while
I am....eEEeee......eEEeee..... . eating little pellets of compressed
vegitative matter....eEEeee......eEEeee. .....
SCENARIOS ARE A GREAT TIME, TO GET SOME TIME ON MY FAVORITE THING!!!!!!!!!!
....eEEeeeeEe.............eEE eeeeEe.............eEEeeeeEe. ........
I need land, I need lotsa land.... and I know the best time to really get
good at my lifetime ambition, of constantly flying the same mission over,
and over, and over ....alone at 2k in my bomber, is when I am all alone,
when the humans are over in the SCENARIOS, using something they call
TEAMWORK, and some other unknown weapon or something ....they call it
TACTICS over there in the SCENARIO, that is a bunch of crap though, as we
all know, when they return to BigPac, they will see the mistake they have
made flying in the SCENARIO when the find me and two other rodents just like
me have been
"jogging"....eEEeee......eEEeee....... ...eEEeee......eEEeee......
I wish I had known about this game a long time ago in DOS, I may have even
captured every base, and won by now, they had about 6 bases to take, I could
do that in 28minutes and 34seconds!!!! (unopposed, of course)
By the way, In BigPac (ie. main arena) someone told me "IT IS JUST PRACTICE", what are you
guys practicing for anyways?
....eEEeee......eEEeee....... ...eEEeee......eEEeee........ ..eEEeee......eEEe
ee..........eEEeee......eEEee e..........eEEeee......eEEeee ..........eEEeee..
....eEEeee..........eEEeee... ...eEEeee..........eEEeee.... ..eEEeee..........
eEEeee......eEEeee..........e EEeee......eEEeee......
Hard to sleep in the same room while I run in my little wheel, Shave me and
cram me up your ass
The Hampster
....eEEeee......eEEeee......
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why even pay 30 dollars a month to furball
tyhats what h2h is for, i had fun furballing in there for free
furballs are more fun in h2h2 because no runstangs etcera just pure acm
imo
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?? Why ?? Because I like the BIG furballs where there are a dozen or two planes all slap fighting each other silly.
And then when I get shot down too many times I like to re-up and hunt for the inevitable buff that will come along and ruin the fight so that I can feel better.
eeeEEeeeeEeeeee (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
On the other hand I join in on missions to defend, attack, capture, whatever more times when online than not. And when I do I give 110% of myself. But when I'm not in the mood or looking for another type of fun I'm supppoed to play H2H or run off to a min-arena?
No way.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 01-25-2001).]
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I'm sorry that there is more to the game than you are willing to contribute. It just seems there are ways to combine your preferences in a manner that is still usefull. Too many people are unwilling to do that in any way.
AKDejaVu
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"I'm sorry that there is more to the game than you are willing to contribute."
Are you talking about contributing to the game or main arena play? If it's the game I intend on participating and helping out with scenarios and other events. If it's the main arena then what you're telling me is that what you do IS some kind of contribution? A contribution to what??? To keep our homeland from evile subjugation? To make right from wrong? Avenge a dispicable invasion by our enemies who have world domination on thier minds? Or to save our natural resources or to keep our population from enslavement?
<eye roll>
"It just seems there are ways to combine your preferences in a manner that is still usefull"
Ahh. So HTC has set up the Main arena with your preferences in mind?
"Too many people are unwilling to do that in any way."
Too many people do not have enough people ike you paying for thier entertainment is what the problem is! I imagine if this were about movies you'd be telling me I do not watch the ones that you think I should be or that I am too quiet in the theatre and should become more involved during the action scenes and root for the "good guys."
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 01-25-2001).]
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Westy-
Yup, there it is. There I am, enjoying the heck out of myself, playing the way I have time and inclination to, and I will inevitably have someone tell me how pointless and wasted my time is, and how I am not having fun. Then follows the comments on intelligence, etc., etc... not that I care, really, but I serve warning I won't listen to it. I am not in a squad for a reason; I don't need or desire the hassle.
Scream all you want, I'll be giggling.
FWIW, I flew a C47 to capture the port last night in the south. I first had dropped the VH with my Spit, attacked ack at the port (got one, got shot down), and immediately returned with the C47. I got in (thanks to help above) and dropped the troops. How was the effort met?
General: "You idiots, you went for the VH! I told you to go for ack!"
Me: "Hey, if you don't get the VH, you get Osties, far worse than ack"
General: "I told you to get the ack! Idiots! I'm outta here!"
Server: Capture of 21 by the Knights.
I'm thinking ok, screw him and his megalomania. Let's see him take fields on his own. It must have happened that everyone else felt that way, because his calls got higher pitched and more frantic. After a while I stopped reading the buffer, as it was only filled with whining. I would salute whatever pilot I killed/was killed by, and had a great time free from tyranny. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Sounds like this is different than a furball vs strat debate. Seems to me like some dude getting way too carried away.
Yuck.... yeah.... I wouldn't listen to that
crap either. Suprised *anyone* did.
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Are you talking about contributing to the game or main arena play?
If the thread is about furballing, it has to be the MA.
If it's the game I intend on participating and helping out with scenarios and other events.
Ah yes.. things with no real objective where everything is scripted. No real thought involved.. just SA.
If it's the main arena then what you're telling me is that what you do IS some kind of contribution?
What I do is an attempt to contribute. If I'm in the mood to kick back.. I'll take a bomber up and hit something usefull. If I'm in the mood to defend, I'll take up a fuel laden aircraft and head to an area I suspect the enemy will try to sneak in. If I'm in the mood to furball, I look for the biggest fight I can find.. BUT.. I prefer it to actually be an attempt to contribute to either country defense or offense. Not just to be off on the sidelines.
A contribution to what???
How about a contribution to keeping CVs available? How about a contribution towards keeping DAR available. ...a contribution towards keeping fuel-factories up? A contribution towards anything that would somewhat peave you if it were gone.
"It just seems there are ways to combine your preferences in a manner that is still usefull"
Ahh. So HTC has set up the Main arena with your preferences in mind?
I don't understand what you are saying here... but HTC didn't do anything specifically for me. They simply did.
HTC has set up an arena with more than just the furballing oportunity. There are strategic elements to the game. I did not create these elements.. but they are there.
Of course, that doesn't mean that everybody has to care that they are there... wich is regularly demonstrated.
Too many people do not have enough people ike you paying for thier entertainment is what the problem is!
Not quite sure what you are saying here. But from what I can tell, you feel you are the only one you should ever be concerned about in the arena. If that is the case.. why would you even remotely be concerned with what other people say?
I feel that you can at least CONSIDER strategy when you play. You see, that helps out everyone playing for your country. These are the people that are affected when a CV, DAR, Factories, Cities, Bases, Hangars, ports or whatever else are lost. You are also considering the people that log on later only wanting to do something similar to you, but can't because they are down to two heavily vulched fields.
So many complaints surface in this forum from "well.. getting tired of not being able to fly from a cv!" or "wa.. they got us down to two bases but didn't capture any of them". Of course.. that's all HTC's fault for implimenting that whole stupid strategy feature in the first place.
I imagine if this were about movies you'd be telling me I do not watch the ones that you think I should be or that I am too quiet in the theatre and should become more involved during the action scenes and root for the "good guys."
You have such a creative imagination.. pitty you refuse to use it in the MA.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 01-25-2001).]
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AKDeja Vu, all I can say at this point is you do not read what people write, or if you do you don't understand (or want to) what they say. At this point, after reading your reply above, any more talk about this between you and I is just going to get too personal. It already has on your part with your parting line.
If you feel I'm not doing my "part" to win ... eeEEEeeeeee.... the war let me know. You only need to tell me once as that will be enough to remind me we have a squelch command.
<S>
-Westy
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
HTC has set up an arena with more than just the furballing oportunity. There are strategic elements to the game. I did not create these elements.. but they are there.
Of course, that doesn't mean that everybody has to care that they are there... wich is regularly demonstrated.
HTC put in these strategic elements to accomodate all types of flying styles, from the furballers to the strategists.
You still haven't adequately explained WHY players should do something other than furballing, except that failing to do so means that strategic targets are hit. You think that this in turn causes the very furballing players to whine.
And yet here you are, flying strategically and whining too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
What's wrong with this picture?
-- Todd/DMF
[This message has been edited by Dead Man Flying (edited 01-25-2001).]
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I don't only like to furball, I LOVE to furball!
Last night was a little different for me, though. Very soon after I logged on, our sector counters went away, so I decided to join a mission to 'kill a CV'. I figured it would be a good way to find some action. We went up in Hellcats with rockets and bombs (I'd never fired a rocket, and still haven't dropped a bomb, yet) and flew off to the CV. On the way, our target was destroyed, so we diverted to an enemy airfield. I dived down on my target, figuring out how to fire rockets on the way, and I guess I pushed my attack too hard, because although I was seeing hits on the hanger, two instant pings from the ack and I was a ball of debris. I went back up in a 202, saw a C47 on the way to the airbase, so I decided to give escort. I saw some high dots to the north and went off to distract them, got in a great fight with an F6, but an F4 joined in, too, and he got the kill. I went back up, our sector counters came back, and I saw I was now in the middle of a huge force of Rooks, with no enemy around. In fact, there was no significant opposition to the Rooks anywhere on the map. Bored, I augered and logged off.
Had I known there was such a great party going on at A1, I'd have switched countries and joined in.
anRky
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Yep... what the amish, enemies of fun seem to be saying is that... action is evil.... to have "fun" is to risk the fires of hell... A sure ticket to damnation, as certain as say, strong drink or dancing even.
If flight sim history is any predictor... We will soon see cries of "stop the mindless furballing before it is too late!" Never could understand how that "less action= more fun" equation works myself.
CV's are too much fun as are close fields... The Amish are apoplectic over it. If we ever get an early war area of the arena in the canyons they will quit (or claim to).
lazs
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Yeah, a big <S> to all you daytime furballers who leave me with 2 airfields and no ports every night when I log on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LJK_Raubvogel
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 01-25-2001).]
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You still haven't adequately explained WHY players should do something other than furballing, except that failing to do so means that strategic targets are hit. You think that this in turn causes the very furballing players to whine.
I'm sorry, but where did I ask that people stopped furballing? I do think that the furballer can have his fun in a spot that actually matters. I didn't say there should be no furballing. I guess the difference is that some people refuse to accept that furballing can contribute to strategy in any form. I differ with that opinion.
And yet here you are, flying strategically and whining too.
What? Whining? How do you figure? Because I disagree with the idea that furballing can't serve a purpose?
AKDejaVu
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By the way... when furballing, what criteria do you use for selecting what base you are going to fly from? At some point you have to make that decision... so fess up.
If its based on "whatever looks like it would be more fun", then what makes it fun for you?
AKDejaVu
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Furballing is fun, I do it a lot. Not all the time, but when I want action I look for an area with a lot of activity in it. I rarely find furballs that last for long because I'm not into spawning from the base under attack just so I can get my fix. I usually take off from a base away so I can get a little alt and speed before I engage. By a little I mean enough so I can compete with all the N1Ks, Spits, Zeros and Yaks TnBing down in the dirt.
If you get offended by what I'm about to say, then really you aren't doing what you think you should be doing in the far recesses of your mind. If you don't get offended, then you don't care and that means it doesn't matter...
This game focuses on team work and working together as a team. Otherwise we wouldn't have 3 countries to participate in. This is common knowledge, and if it's hard to understand it's not my fault. Seriously, there's three kinds of games in regards to what you want to do: Melee(furballing without any clear cut objectives and teamwork limited only to shooting down someone on another guys 6 and then killing him too), Team Melee(furballing again without any clear cut objectives except this time you are on someone's team so you can get a little assistance when someone's behind you), and Team War(where you have fields that need defending, targets that need destroying and territory that needs capturing).
These aren't _MY_ definitions just to suit my argument, these can be found in the Red Baron II/3D manual. Well except for Team War(it's actually called something else, but you work as a team to destroy airfields and such).
What's my point? When you join a team, whether it be a racing team(Nascar, Indy Car, F1 etc), Football(american not that sissy kicking a white and black ball around ;-), baseball, or in a game such as Starsiege Tribes or something like that, where being part of a team means doing something for the overall good of the team. That's what it's about, not my defition, that's what a _TEAM_ is. The countries are teams. We're supposed to work together, but many people feel they don't have to and they won't because someone is asking them "hey we need help" and they're thinking "screw you.. I just want to do my own thing".
Yes, it is your 30$, but why bother paying it just to take off, shoot a plane down, die, repeat until you feel like logging off? Head2Head is free and accomodates your needs right there.
I know not a single one of you will agree with me, but that's okay.. you don't have to agree with what the definition of being a team player is.
To be perfectly honest, I wish they would just make a single small island and push it WAY off to the side of the map where 3 other seperate countries can just furball to their heart's content. That way we can see who is REALLY on our team and who is just off on the sidelines furballing and not contributing to the team. You aren't contributing afterall, so what would be the difference? None, just push you guys off like a leper colony and let you have your fun there so the guys who want to work as a team CAN work as a team and not be mislead by the roster saying x number of players are on your side. Currently all the roster says is x number of players are on your side, but it's anyone's guess who are actually going to work with the team to accomplish something for the team.
Don't tell me "HTC didn't set it up for capturing objectives and moving the front line forward", because they did set it up for that. It's just that you guys don't want to be part of the team you are on.. you just want everything to yourself.
This is not a whine, this is not a post in frustration. This is just how the game is. Not by my definition, but by the fact that this game was built for team players (here's that term again.. TEAM).
I like Lephturn's idea of a furballing island, I want that to happen really bad. That way everyone who doesn't want to be part of the team and wants to do their own thing CAN do it with no hard feelings.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I'm sorry, but where did I ask that people stopped furballing? I do think that the furballer can have his fun in a spot that actually matters. I didn't say there should be no furballing. I guess the difference is that some people refuse to accept that furballing can contribute to strategy in any form. I differ with that opinion.
Furballing may contribute to strategy. It also may not. Typically, furballs will occur in those locations that require the shortest flight time for the maximum of fun. Why SHOULD furballers fly an extra 10 minutes to enjoy the same things they could enjoy in less time? Because it aids strategy? Hrmph.
If you're trying to find a way to motivate furballers, find strategic targets that are close and that are sure to draw out enemy targets.
What? Whining? How do you figure? Because I disagree with the idea that furballing can't serve a purpose?
You were complaining that folks aren't being productive with their furballing. A rose by any other name should smell so sweet...
-- Todd/DMF
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You were complaining that folks aren't being productive with their furballing. A rose by any other name should smell so sweet...
Ah.. ok.. by that logic then, you post is simply a whine about a whine about a whine about a whine. Makes perfect sense. Afterall, you are only complaining about someone who is complaining about people that are complaining about people complaining about them.
AKDejaVu
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well said swulfe
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Kieren and Westy are spot on. Some nights I only get an hour(or less) to fly. On those nights, I go straight for the biggest furball and try to get as much action as I can. On the weekends and on squad night, I usually get at least three hours of time in at a time. On those nights, I create and join missions, helping my country like a good little knit.
Between the armchair generals bickering, and people with missions in the planners begging for pilots, it's small wonder why we want to be able to squelch the country channel.
It's not that I don't want to help out, but sometimes it's a matter of available time.
One thing I've learned in my five years of online flight sim flying, is that there is always someone who thinks they know a better way for you to be spending your time while online.
What we really need is a .Squelch egomaniacs command.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Ah.. ok.. by that logic then, you post is simply a whine about a whine about a whine about a whine. Makes perfect sense. Afterall, you are only complaining about someone who is complaining about people that are complaining about people complaining about them.
Right. Can't we all just get along? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
You still haven't addressed my point about the nature of furballing. One thing to keep in mind is that strategic elements often don't mean much to furballers... destroying the city, nailing fuel refineries, etc... these all have a rather abstract effect on people who are primarily interested in fighting plane to plane. The effects only surface when said furballers actually attack an airfield in an effort to capture it.
I actually agree that it would be nice to somehow funnel furballing energies toward other ends, preferably in a manner in which furballers don't even notice it. That way the furballers are happy AND the strategists are happy. However, the burden there is on the strategists to steer furballs to "important" targets. They can't just expect furballers to fly longer for the same fights they can have in a shorter amount of time.
-- Todd/DMF
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Seawulfe, I agree to a point. But to generalize and say that everyone who doesn't participate in the team that night is thinking "screw you", isn't fair. If you only knew how bad I want to play all night long and help take base after base. But, alas, there's this thing in my house that calls me "Daddy", and another that calls me "Husband".
Some of us have obligations that don't allow for long-term team play each night.
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However, the burden there is on the strategists to steer furballs to "important" targets. They can't just expect furballers to fly longer for the same fights they can have in a shorter amount of time.
BINGO! Of course, this thread is primarily a result of that trying to happen. Wether the attempt was overzealous or not I don't know. I'm not sure it would have been warmly received regardless.
Of course, you assume that someone would have had to fly farther to find a fight. That was not the case most of last night as far as I saw. The fight was right at our front door at several bases.
AKDejaVu
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By the way.. the extent of my comments on the furballers at A1 last night was this:
"Our city is leveled as well as our ack factory"
"We've lost 5 bases and 3 CVs... but WE STILL HAVE A1!"
AKDejaVu
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Right on, banana. Same here.
I repeat, I am glad there is strat in a game. I am glad there is something for everyone. I am glad to occasionally help out "in the cause" when I have time to do so. I am happy to help out a guy pinned down by multiple bad guys. I am happy to goon. I am happy to bomb or Jabo. It's all good. But when I have 45 minutes to fly, that may not be enough to do more than do a hop or two, and I may seek the fastest action I can find. I look at the radar and decide where I will most likely meet the type of opponents I seek. I don't think anyone cares if I do that, right?
The only problem at all that I have with anyone who demands strat over anything else is when they attempt to regulate my play, or in the event I do pitch in and help with a task, squeak that I am a loser and didn't do it right. Other than that, you do your thing, I'll do mine. Once in a while our paths cross, we'll have fun (I hope) and we move on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by banana:
Seawulfe, I agree to a point. But to generalize and say that everyone who doesn't participate in the team that night is thinking "screw you", isn't fair. If you only knew how bad I want to play all night long and help take base after base. But, alas, there's this thing in my house that calls me "Daddy", and another that calls me "Husband".
Some of us have obligations that don't allow for long-term team play each night.
Yes I know, but for the most part that's the general response you get when you say "hey can we get some help over here?"
Still, I think that you can find your fix for fun each night even if you only had a half hour to play by simply going to a base that's being attacked and targets are over it. There's usually plenty of things to kill in the air and would take the burden off of the fellas that are trying to take the base down so the team can capture it.
You get your fun, team gets it's field. I don't see the problem at all?
EDIT/ADDENDUM: I didn't make it clear in my first post that I think people who only want to fly fighters and fight A2A can still CONTRIBUTE to the team. It's just a matter of GETTING them to contribute. You don't need to goon, mud move in a fighter-bomber or bomb from a high up bomber. If you just grab yourself a fighter, do what you usually do(furball) and come to a base your team is attacking where there's a red bar in the sector you can still help the team out. Helping the team doesn't mean doing something you don't like or don't have time to do, just as long as you help out the guys that are doing the base attacking thing.
-SW
[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 01-25-2001).]
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What this all comes down to is 'what kind of game do you want to play?' What *I* would like from an 'online WWII air combat sim', is...
1) Historical Air Combat -- that conveys the same feel that I get from reading books like 'The First and The Last', 'Wing Leader', and many others.
2) Dogfighting -- lots of combat in lots of different planes, fighting with and against lots of different pilots, who are themselves flying lots of different planes.
Instead of these two things, AH (and AW) provide much more of this...
3) Age of Empires -- with airplanes, of course. Just a vaguely historically based strategy game (or it might be more accurate to say numbers game), played with wonderfully modeled WWII aircraft.
But as long as long as there's the chance of a scenario in the not-too-far future (#1), and I can manage to find a few good fights (#2) under the canopy of F4s in the arena, I can put up with a lotta #3.
anRky
-Ih8ubb
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agree with anrky on 1 and 2. Also, Like banana, I have what i consider a life. I come to AH to have fun. If I wanted organization, boredom and teamwork I woulda just stayed at work and made the overtime.
aksea.. I read your whole thing and it makes little or no sense to me. It simply doesn't apply to me. As to what I look for when I log on....
1.. I look for squaddies to fly with so that I have a more enjoyable and less stressfull furball
2... I look at the radar (unless some low down scum sucking spoilsport has killed it) for the place that has the most action that is fairly well evenly matched red /green. don't care what kinda red... a red is a red.
3... Look for fights that have like minded (furballer/respawners) fighter jocks participating.
4... hope like hell some "fan of strat/realism" dipshit in a lone suicide buff doesn't do a "realstic" single pass field closure so that I (and my squaddies) have to repeat the whole process over again.
You can have all the strat you want but the less it affects me the better I like it. I'm sure this attitude baffles some but...There is some "realism" base to what I want tho... Bases were not closed in one pass by one bomber.... nor, were radars knocked out.
It is also hard to feel too sorry for the "mission/strat" oriented when they don't/won't fly in a manner that resembles WWII air combat... I have never seen a finger four formation let alone several. You want to scream strat and realism in the same breath and continue to fly lone wolf or wingman tactics at 10-15K then you got a long way to go before I think your worth listening too. Heck... truly fly "realisticaly" and I bet you will even bore yourself.
lazs
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the whole thing is quite droll really... It boils down to the fact that the Amish in the game feel that "furballing" would be "ok" if.... The furballers would just get organized and furball in a strategic manner...
lazs
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Yesterday I left Knights and moved my camper to Bishland. With my CO we destroyed two Knight bombers otw Bish HQ and later I joined to Cit's mission to Rook City as a Tiffie pilot. Got three kills and really good "vibes" about how that mission went (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)(..Well I run out of fuel and had to ditch but so what (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
If theres a mission which looks like its planned wise you can bet I'll join and fly what ever is needed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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So...how DO you squelch the country channel?
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Lazs, I've read your posts and you have a nack for taking things someone says and completely rearranging to something else.
I said nothing along the lines of realism. Simply, how can you furball when you don't have any bases? You can't, that's not a furball that's base defense.
Flying formation is too difficult and has no practical sense in the MA.
I'm not as you say "amish", I never said you couldn't have your fun. Did I? No, I said you can have your fun but you can still help the team. The fact of the matter is lazs you are NOT a team player. And using your life as an excuse doesn't work here.
My life is full of stuff to do. I'm never online during the weekends or week nights. Maybe 1 hour each weekday during the afternoon. I still somehow manage to contribute to the team.
The part that doesn't make sense to you lazs, must be that word team. You simply don't like participating on one. Fine, but why are you playing a game based around team play when you don't want to be involved in it? Or is it you just don't like doing things for other people?
-SW
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"Yes, it is your 30$, but why bother paying it just to take off, shoot a plane down, die, repeat until you feel like logging off? Head2Head is free and accomodates your needs right there."
?? Really ?? <shakes head> Same thing goes for the land grab type and for those who want to play war.
The big difference is I'm not being narrow minded and inconsiderate of others. I am not clogging the country channel, like some, and berating others online for not playing my way by helping me to furball. I can definately not say the same for those who like to play war and land grab.
Show me where, besides in your posts and via your opinion, that AH is team based? I can show you where HTC has added tools and features built upon a free for all basic gameplay that supports team effort, but you're wayyyy out on a limb in your reasoning and logic in saying that AH is intended to be soley team oriented.
If that was the case it would be simply a matter of no one could play online in AH without having chosen a side and become a member of a squad.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 01-26-2001).]
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I explained it above. Not hard to understand, well except for you which is quite obvious.
Never said anything about joining a squad. YOu don't need to join a squad to be part of a team.
-SW
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And my point is whizzing right over your head.
"You don't need to join a squad to be part of a team"
I don't have to be part of a team because you or anyone else feels I should.
Kind of simple really.
-Westy.
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Originally posted by Westy:
"but you're wayyyy out on a limb in your reasoning and logic in saying that AH is intended to be soley team oriented.'
...ya!! Just you try and get Westy to bail ya outta a tight situation (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I like to do both.
Infact I like to do alot of things
I vulch
I furball
I shoot chutes
I bomb
I goon
I set up missions
I join missions
I drive a panzer
I whine on private coms
I dont tell others how to enjoy their play time.
I do stupid things on a nightly basis, like attacking a gaggle of N1Ks in my La5fn. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
I even get a tad upset when I see silly strat implemented in the game ,but then I come back to earth realising that there will always be another base to capture tommorow, the arena is not static.
Sometimes you are the windshield sometimes you are the bug.
<dream mode on>
There is only one thing I want someone to tell me in Aces High... and that is where can I find Mitsu taking off so I can pay him back in all those vulches I gave him at
A1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) .
<dream mode off>
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The original ACA had no tanks, no boats, no bombers, limited plane set, FR, and a reduced price. As a fur baller, Id sign up for that in a heart beat.
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Originally posted by Baddawg:
I like to do both.
Infact I like to do alot of things
I vulch
I furball
I shoot chutes
I bomb
I goon
I set up missions
I join missions
I drive a panzer
I whine on private coms
I dont tell others how to enjoy their play time.
I do stupid things on a nightly basis, like attacking a gaggle of N1Ks in my La5fn. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
I even get a tad upset when I see silly strat implemented in the game ,but then I come back to earth realising that there will always be another base to capture tommorow, the arena is not static.
Sometimes you are the windshield sometimes you are the bug.
<dream mode on>
There is only one thing I want someone to tell me in Aces High... and that is where can I find Mitsu taking off so I can pay him back in all those vulches I gave him at
A1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) .
<dream mode off>
<Send Dawg a Virtual Beer> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Westy:
I don't have to be part of a team because you or anyone else feels I should.
Kind of simple really.
I'll remember that. Next time you got a couple N1K's on your 6 and I'm around don't ask me for help. Remember.. you're not on my team or anyone else's team!
-SW
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That was the most jeuvinile post you've ever written SW.
Sounds fine to me
-Westy
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It's not juvenile, but you just don't want to see the forest through the trees.
You said "I don't have to be on a team because you are anyone else wants me to!"
Okay, if you don't want to be on the same team as me then I won't feel obligated to help you. I won't even feel like helping you. Get my drift? If you don't want to work with me, why should I work with you?
-SW
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AKSeaWulfe,
You seem to think teamwork and furballing are mutually exclusive for some reason. I'm a furballer, who rarely plays the "strat" game, but if I see a teammate, yes a teammate, in trouble, I'll gladly dive in and lend a hand. Teamwork is utilized in furballs all the time...clearing sixes for example.
Some guys are into the "fly and fight" thing, some are into the "war" thing. Lots of room for both. The problem starts when one tries to tell the other how to do things...a recipe for trouble in RL too.
bowser
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Bowser, you aren't alone on this one.
I don't think anyone is actually reading and understanding what I typed in my original post. First of all I'm not telling anyone to do anything, I'm telling you that if you are going to fly on a team then you should work together with the others on your team-- that is all.
I said way at the beginning of my post, I furball or I should say dogfight 90% of the time. Check my stats, 90% of it are in a fighter.
I said furballing should be pushed away simply because the guys don't want to work with everyone else. They want to stay at one field and fly between another one. Die, and then repeat.
If you want to do fighters, you can still help the guys that are doing the land grab thing.. I do and I don't get bored at all. I usually get 6-7 A2A kills keeping the skies clear for the guys moving the mud down below.
My point was, is and always will be: You can help the land grab even if all you do is fly fighters. Just give those mud moving fellas some cover. You can get a number of kills, furball to your hearts content and the field will be captured. Press on to the next field and do it all over again.
I will restate again: I am not against furballing, it's a very fun experience. However I firmly believe and have experienced time and time again, you can furball over a base while the guys who want to take it can take it.
No one tells me what to do, I hear a request for help at some location I'll be there in a jiffy.
Go ahead, check my stats and then tell me I'm not a furballer.
-SW
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This whole thread reminds me of those great (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) HO threads of yester-month.
"You must NOT HO! HO is not playing the game correctly. I do not HO. You must be like me!"
"au contraire! ho is/was a legitimate tactic. i can play anyway I like. you can avoid almost any HO if you try. i don't have to be like you!"
Point One: You pay your money and play the way you want to play.
Point Two: If it's in the game, it's in the game. Strat and furball are both in the game.
Resets happen; life (and the game) goes on.
Point Three: If everyone spent a little less time worrying about how the other guy lives his life we'd all be happier...IMHO.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Don't worry, be happy. Line up the pipper, squeeze the trigger!
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There is no *should*.... ANYTHING.... in AH.
Get yer kicks how ya get yer kicks. Tell anyone who wants to dictate how ya spend yer time here to piss off. They haven't the right, and should know better.
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Well... now what?
Toss out the baby with the bathwater?
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAHHH! *thump*
On that note (and since it couldn't get any worse)
Anybody know any good dead baby jokes?
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Don't let fatboy get started on his tacky dead cat jokes..
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Sure Hang, i got a really OLD one to start it off.
A would be father eagerly awaits news of his first born. Out comes to doc, carrying a baby. To the fathers surprise, the doc grabs the baby by the legs, thwaps in into a neaby table, kicks it across the room, uses it as an American football and lastly throws it in the trashcan.
"WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR?!? YOU KOILLED MY BABY!" the man yells.
"No, I am just joking. The baby was dead from birth".
<tadaboom>
Distateful, innit? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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yup.
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AKSeaWolf wrote:
I like Lephturn's idea of a furballing island, I want that to happen really bad. That way everyone who doesn't want to be part of the team and wants to do their own thing CAN do it with no hard feelings.
-SW
I think it's a good idea too, but I must clarify that it's not my idea. The "furball islane" idea is one that my squadmate eagl has been suggesting for some time. It was just that as we discussed the issue in another thread I started to see how great his idea was, and I repeated it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Furball Island surrounded by the normal "strat" stuff in the rest of the arena is what I would like to see tried. I'm not much for organization outside of just flying with my squad. I don't want to take the whole strat war away from anybody else, but I want to be able to do my thing in the same arena. I think the "furball island" with indestructible fields will accomodate both groups in the same arena and possibly keep folks from logging off when the "strat" folks start rolling up the map.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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As the originator of the thread, let me just say, I shoulda said....
...lemme alone, I'm having fun!
No need to get upset guys, it's a big world. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh, by the way, love the fighter island concept... perfect for the times when I have only half an hour to play!
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 01-27-2001).]
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sw said...
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Lazs, I've read your posts and you have a nack for taking things someone says and
completely rearranging to something else."
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thank you but it's not really that hard and... not applicable in your case anyway since you are so transparent in your desires.
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"I said nothing along the lines of realism. Simply, how can you furball when you don't have
any bases? You can't, that's not a furball that's base defense."
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duh.... The map resets when you don't have any bases... Anyone here ever try to log on and find that they don't have any bases? I fly the green ones and have never had less than 3-4 to choose from.
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Flying formation is too difficult and has no practical sense in the MA.
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Ah.... no sense doing what is "too difficult" if you don't like it eh? "makes no practical sense"????? You mean like taking bases in order to...... reset??? thought the "rulebook" said that this is a WWII air combat simulation? If it is then how can you simulate WWII combat if you leave out the most important factors?
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I'm not as you say "amish", I never said you couldn't have your fun. Did I? No, I said you
can have your fun but you can still help the team. The fact of the matter is lazs you are
NOT a team player. And using your life as an excuse doesn't work here.
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Hmm... this is a bizzare one... I can have my fun so long as I do it your way? I am not a team player so that is bad? Letting your life interfer or even modify the way you play a friggin' GAME is bad?? Sheesh I belong to a squad and I help them all the time. Even let those poor talentless dweebs drex and hooligan steal my kills in order to pad their scores. How much more teamwork ya want? A barn raising at the farm?
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My life is full of stuff to do. I'm never online during the weekends or week nights. Maybe
1 hour each weekday during the afternoon. I still somehow manage to contribute to the
team.
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well.... You amish do like to suffer but.... don't do it for me cause I don't give a toejam.
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The part that doesn't make sense to you lazs, must be that word team. You simply don't
like participating on one. Fine, but why are you playing a game based around team play
when you don't want to be involved in it? Or is it you just don't like doing things for other
people?
-SW
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Ok, looked at the AH rulebook and can't find a thing in their about being on a team. Can't even find the word team... can't even find the rulebook.... As for me... Thank you for your deep analysis but... Maybe you should talk to some of my squaddies or even countrymen. I call six (when i can type fast enough which aint often)... I shoot red guys... I shoot red guys that are picking on green guys... Guess what? nobody in our squad has ever even mentioned the word "teamwork". The words "where's the action" and "where are you guys" are mentioned every single night along with "good fight at ***".
Field capture is a wonderful thing. I like killing guys who try it when the numbers are close. I like vultching guys that are defending a field. I will even help kill the ack if that is what my squaddies want.
This is an air combat sim. I want to see how the FM/weapons of WWII fighter planes stacked up against each other. I want to see how I do also. U want something else. What you want annoys me to no end as you Amish tend to screw up the action regularly by taking close bases or killing the CV.... If you love strat so much why aren't you killing the useless back fields first? I think you just want to spoil peoples fun. Same goes for buff pilots who suicide run to close fields.
lazs
IP: Lo
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MISSION UP!! FAST ATTACK!
Find laz's home field; reduce it to rubble. Repeat. Objective; reset laz!
I like Fighter Island too.. Poroviso; limited A/C; no buffs, no buff hangers. Limited fuel for fighters on Fighter Island and locate island far enuff away from strat objectives that a/c from that island cannot interfere with Strat gaming. Set Arena so that people entering the arena (2 weeekers in particular) are deposited on that island when they log in.
Anbody know how to make a dead baby float?
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
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It's about yelling, not different flying styles.
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People in this game EXPECT other countrymates to help them?
That is something I did not know, and could never have suspected...in AW nobody ASSUMES people on the same team will help out.
The general idea is if you get yourself into a bad situation, then get yourself out. Don't expect your countrymates to die for you because you couldn't avoid a bad situation. And never expect a countrymate who isn't a squadmate to drop what he's doing because you want him to.
Perhaps that same idea would apply well to AH--if someone helps out that's good, but there's no OBLIGATION to help. Anything that doesn't involve cheating is fair game and acceptable--even if you invividually don't agree with it.
This means you need to take care of yourself and not rely upon others. If you clear someones tail, don't automatically assume he will do it for you. Do whatever you want to, but don't assume others will do what you want them to do.
The MA is a free-for-all environment with three teams. I know that it is frustrating when someone totally ignores your goals, but not everybody has the same intrests in the game. As long as the game allows different playing styles, then this debate will happen.
J_A_B
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... glass of root beer; two scoops dead baby.
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hang come down and get me. I am quite easy to find. Reset the green field i am at. you will just add to the furball.
I am the designated dragger for our squad in any case so I'm sure my squaddies will appreciate your "efforts" to punish mean ol lazs who just won't help the amish with their barn raising.
lazs