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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: 1pLUs44 on January 02, 2009, 07:44:31 AM
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What's your trainer? Mine is the P39. Why?
1. It isn't the tightest turning
2. Can't run for crap
3. To survive with 2 .50s and 1 37mm, you gotta be a good shot.
This thing is nearly the definition of a trainer. When you take it up, you got just about everything on your back. When you learn to take on 2 or 3 planes, and win in the 39, THEN, you take up something like an F4U, you can take on many more.
I'm probably about the Average AHII player, but 2 things have definitely changed the way I played and made me 100x better than I was before.
1. That one hour or so session with Rolex (don't know how I can thank you enough man!)
2. Me flying the P39Q for a lot of the summer.
Any of you got a "trainer" for the MA's? I don't find uber planes as training because you can usually get kilt pretty quickly. :salute :salute
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109G6
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I need to hook up with Rolex- he's a GREAT trainer. Both he and Widewing have helped me shake off the rust in biblical amounts.
If I'm in the training arena, I'm usually there to either try to recreate a problem that I faced recently in an a/c (the P38 spin damn near had me on Thursday night, for example- spent some time throwing a J into a spin repeatedly, and practiced getting it out), or it's specifically looking for someone (Rolex, Widewing, and occasionally I meet up with my buddy Banshee in there) to "work out" with.
Otherwise if the MA's boring as hell, I'll practice a few landings in the planes I have issues with, while paying attention to the buffer and give out as much help as I can to the newer guys.
**Edit** My trainer a/c I'd have to say is the Spit IX, the Hellcat, and the 109G6.
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109G6
Agreed with that one. <S>
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What's your trainer? Mine is the P39. Why?
1. It isn't the tightest turning
2. Can't run for crap
3. To survive with 2 .50s and 1 37mm, you gotta be a good shot.
This thing is nearly the definition of a trainer. When you take it up, you got just about everything on your back. When you learn to take on 2 or 3 planes, and win in the 39, THEN, you take up something like an F4U, you can take on many more.
I'm probably about the Average AHII player, but 2 things have definitely changed the way I played and made me 100x better than I was before.
1. That one hour or so session with Rolex (don't know how I can thank you enough man!)
2. Me flying the P39Q for a lot of the summer.
Any of you got a "trainer" for the MA's? I don't find uber planes as training because you can usually get kilt pretty quickly. :salute :salute
Any one that can take on 3 guys in a p39 and win is not average. Then again, its is all relevant. Who were the three you took on? I am just saying that dieing to some one better than you in a p39 after giving him a work out could mean a lot more than killing 3 zeros in it.
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Agreed with that one. <S>
I fly the G14 tho :lol
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My "Trainer" aircraft I like to practice in or help others in is the SBD. Then I have my Ghosth side and use the D3A1. The SBD is for more advanced players (like a few months in) as the D3A is for new guys. They are both slow so you can easily see what you are doing and when. they also have guns which can show you if you or your opponent has gun solution. The SBD, as stated, is for a little more advanced player than the "2week noob," and is a good plan to learn flap control
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All of them. :D
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My Wildcat, she flys like a bird, and dives like a rock. Flap management is tricky at times, but if you come in with alt to spare, you have a killer on your hands. Plus, she is very resistant to just about any sort of snap shot. (I ho'ed a Niki(shut up, I was half asleep) and got hit a couple of times. Still flying, and I landed five kills in it!) The gun package may cause some to desire more, but you have to manuever just right so you can get them in convergence.(about 200) Then, the 4 .50s do all my talking. :salute to the FM2!
P.S. 1pLuS44 I have seen you in that P-39 of yours, that is a killer plane when you are flying it well.
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Overall I think the SBD is surprisingly useful as a "trainer" for a number of reasons. While its tremendous turn rate is a significant negative its lack of raw power forces utilization of both out of plane maneuvering and "lag to lead" transitions. When you combine this with its gun package which rewards well constructed shot windows but provides little or no prospect of converting poorly generated shots it is a great combination of gunnery/ACM trainer. IMO it can tremendously enhance a persons understanding of relative E state issues in an angles fight as well as familiarization of "two circle" tactics and doctrine. It also is an exceptional plane to explore the use of "zoom" in a low speed angles fight.
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I like the P39D for training. 4 30cals don't do much but it helps with my aiming skills, need perfect him to make them do damage. 1 20mm with 60 rounds in the nose also helps with aim. 2 50cals tag along with the 30's for a little more power. You can't run, you can turn fairly, and for the most part you can hold your own in a 1v1, but it takes some skill.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to 'train' in the aircraft you plan on flying the most?
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Wouldn't it make more sense to 'train' in the aircraft you plan on flying the most?
Thats a very interesting question and I dont know if a concise answer is possible. Here is my own take on it. The entire choice of a plane to learn (or "train") on is interesting and a lot of seasoned sticks have well thought out and completely disparate views. I always favored a plane that was slightly less then Stellar in pure turn performance and had flaps (F6F for example) that made a difference. This encouraged the use of the vertical, throttle and rudder to counter the raw turning capability of a plane like a spitfire. At the extreme a good trainer (P-39, SBD, 109E, A-20) allows the use of a combination of "inferior" traits to counter and overcome the superior capability of another plane by inducing a fight favorable to the trainer. The goal is to help make one's flying in a superior plane less dependant on the planes characteristics and more centered on the pilots skill set.
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P51B
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I would agree that the 51B is a great gunnery trainer for the MA.
Rabbit
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Mine was the pony. Learnt to fight that slow and everything else just falls into place. :aok
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I would agree that the 51B is a great gunnery trainer for the MA.
Rabbit
Yep, with only 4 guns you have to hit your mark solid
Mine was the pony. Learnt to fight that slow and everything else just falls into place. :aok
That sums it up nicely :aok
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Wouldn't it make more sense to 'train' in the aircraft you plan on flying the most?
Got to agree with this. Once a pilot was assigned to his company and squadron he trained in the aircraft assigned to the squadron. My father had logged a little over 100 hours in training squadrons and was assigned to his outfit where he logged another 200 hours state side flying training mission in P47's, then on to England with his squadron and more trainging flights. His first real mission was escorting B17's but by then he had logged over 250 hours in P47's. My point being , he trained in what he would fight in and fought in what he had trained in.
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By training, he could mean teaching new players how to fly, BFMs, and ACMs. No necessarily mastering one aircraft kind of training. And it would also be hard to train for an aircraft that you will be flying most, as you usually don't know exactly ehat you WILL fly the most...especially if you change planes every dortie like I do.
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I would have to say that it is best to train in the aircraft that you fly the most. I fly the 51D but I used the Bravo stang to work on gunnery because it has a smaller gun package. I like the B pony as a change from flying the D. there used to be times when I would fly the B for a whole tour with good results. Once I get in the B pony I have a hard time getting back out of it because it is a sweet bird. I find it much more forgiving than the D. In short I train in what I fly.
The most inportant thing for me right now after a long time away from AH is learning what the other planes can and can not do, as well as re developing my SA skills.
I will take the odd Hog out from a CV and I would like to take the time to learn how to effectively fight the Jug air to air. Once I re learn to fly the 51's I will use different aircraft for different types of missions.
Some guys can jump in anything and have success and some of us are specialists in the rides of our choice. I pretty much used to be the latter and once I get my act back together I am sure that this will remain the case.
Rabbit
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By training, he could mean teaching new players how to fly, BFMs, and ACMs. No necessarily mastering one aircraft kind of training. And it would also be hard to train for an aircraft that you will be flying most, as you usually don't know exactly ehat you WILL fly the most...especially if you change planes every dortie like I do.
eh
Mostly I see just veteran or 'not new' pilots in here talking about planes that are just less capable than the ones they usually fly. I fly 'blah ' because its slower and turns less and if I can kill with it then I can really pwn in 'insert dweeb plane here' elventibillaion!!!
Seems to me that if you are flying a fast plane, you don't HAVE to use your speed to gtfo anytime things go south - you choose too run. If you want to train then,,,just stop running :huh
But thats just me.
be right back, flying a Gear Down Hurricane 1 so I can be l33t
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Any one that can take on 3 guys in a p39 and win is not average. Then again, its is all relevant. Who were the three you took on? I am just saying that dieing to some one better than you in a p39 after giving him a work out could mean a lot more than killing 3 zeros in it.
God no, I don't think I've ever won every 2 v 1 in the 39, definitely 3 v 1. But I find to learn more when I jump my 39 into a bunch of gang-bangs, there's been times though, that training in my 39 has helped me survive gang bangs (of course, with many pieces missing still haha)
Wouldn't it make more sense to 'train' in the aircraft you plan on flying the most?
All aircraft 'tick' differently, but there's always definite advantages in each. When you find that one plane, where you have no advantage except the skills on your back, it's a perfect "trainer" for the game. If I ever become a terrible gunner again, or I quit for a while, first thing I'm gonna fly when I get back'll be the P39Q.
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if i start running low on confidence i bring up my f4u1a, i bring her up every now and then just to keep in shape with her. if i really get low on confidence ill up a spit 16 a few times, and if that doesnt work ill go to DA.
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if i start running low on confidence i bring up my f4u1a, i bring her up every now and then just to keep in shape with her. if i really get low on confidence ill up a spit 16 a few times, and if that doesnt work ill go to DA.
Is that the plane you got all those uber killz in? :lol
I am no perfect trainer and I still have a lot to learn, but when I am working with someone who is VERY wet behind the ears I'll send them up in a P40B. It is a smooth plane that does everything slow and steady. If a guy can menouver the P40B, then he can menouver anything.