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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on January 03, 2009, 04:14:13 AM
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Say someone wanted to slowly strangle your firearms industry as a subtle means of gun control. Would increasing the export license registration to the point of making your firearms uncompetitive be a good way of doing it? Say an increase of 1800% in licensing costs? The US is one of the biggest exporters of firearms in the world, would the loss of these export sales hurt the industry really badly?
p.s. I'm being dead serious and not anti-gun.
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Nope, maybe here but the firearm companies would move to a friendly country like so many of our companies are doing because of the stiffening restrictions on business, IE taxes, regulations, lawsuits etc.
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Two words........shell company.
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Vulcan makes a point with interesting responses, what if the incoming administration passes some bill or law that motivates US arms makers to just move things off to another country, what is served? More US jobs lost to hyper-regulation and taxes.
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They'd do what most US Based companies hit hard would do... go somewhere else. If the people are hit hard enough, they'll do the same.
Think of it like this:
Someone is hitting you really hard in the face, and there's not a thing you can do about it. Are you gonna just sit there and take the punches? Eventually fall behind and down? Or would you simply move out of the way and go about your business?
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Vulcan makes a point with interesting responses, what if the incoming administration passes some bill or law that motivates US arms makers to just move things off to another country, what is served? More US jobs lost to hyper-regulation and taxes.
this is already implemented for US buisness's, thats why too many jobs are being shipped overseas already...
currently they get benefits for making stuff in china as opposed to here
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5 fish hooked on one cast Vulcan. Not bad.
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
No its another way of admitting this guy is from New Zealand and likes stirring up trouble obsessing about American gun control. BTW its 6 fish hooked now including you.
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No its another way of admitting this guy is from New Zealand and likes stirring up trouble obsessing about American gun control. BTW its 6 fish hooked now including you.
I, nor anyone else except you has taken any offense to it. I find it a good topic to discuss, something that could be hard to explain. You just hooked 2 fish on your line.
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See Rule #14
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No its another way of admitting this guy is from New Zealand and likes stirring up trouble obsessing about American gun control. BTW its 6 fish hooked now including you.
Well here you go showing your complete ignorance yet again. This is not a troll. We're getting word over here some US rifle exporters are shutting up shop because of this hike in licensing costs, see here: http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1230855422
Just got off the phone to My FFL Exporter , and they ARE not renewing their Export Licence , due to the cost basiclly going thru the roof ( it was 1500 & Now is 75K ) , so you can probably say good bye to private imports as the cost will not be viable any more .
Really rich46yo, if I lived in the USA I'd be concerned having people like you working in law enforcement. At least you make Miss Teen Carolina look good.
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Folks, talk about guns all you like, but political discussion is not allowed. Do not push us on this.
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I'm terrified of chickens. I call it "Poultryphobia".
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Folks, talk about guns all you like, but political discussion is not allowed. Do not push us on this.
Just so I'm clear on this... gun control (and potential) = political, but cool gun stuff = not?
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http://pmddtc.state.gov/FR/2008/73FR43653.pdf (http://pmddtc.state.gov/FR/2008/73FR43653.pdf)
I tried to find the current cost. Started to get a headache.
Basically, for large manufacturers, it sounds like a 3% fee. As much as new taxes suck, I think when you are talking Millions of dollars, they can afford it.
wrongway
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Under current U.S. laws a U.S. citizen in answering Vulcans original question could easily be construed as violating the Logan Act.
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political discussion is not allowed.
It's been awhile, but wow. Really?!?!
Thinking about past political discourse it's probably for the best, but I can't seem to get past the notion that the o'club is for that type of discussion.
Anywho...carry on...............
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Really?!?!
Really, check out rule number 14. :D
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It's been awhile
And it has. I'll trust you. If I need to memorize rules and their numbers I think I'll just not bother. My brain only has so much space :rolleyes:
Quick, what's rule # 23!!!?
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Nope, maybe here but the firearm companies would move to a friendly country like so many of our companies are doing because of the stiffening restrictions on business, IE taxes, regulations, lawsuits etc.
so if colt moved from hartford and set up shop in taiwan for instance they could circumvent state department bureaucracy that according to a gun importer/dealer in new zealand that i spoke to, is largely responsible for the increase in costs to the end user as well as the tighter restrictions on the export of certain guns and parts?
i thought u.s laws/regulations applied to u.s owned companies operating off shore?
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Just so I'm clear on this... gun control (and potential) = political, but cool gun stuff = not?
Opinions about guns does not have to be political, nor politically based. Opinions about gun control (i.e. I do not care for gun control) is not political. Discussing the politics behind gun control is politics.
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so if colt moved from hartford and set up shop in taiwan for instance they could circumvent state department bureaucracy that according to a gun importer/dealer in new zealand that i spoke to, is largely responsible for the increase in costs to the end user as well as the tighter restrictions on the export of certain guns and parts?
i thought u.s laws/regulations applied to u.s owned companies operating off shore?
Theoretically, if it was manufactured in Taiwan, it would not be exported from the U.S. and would not require an export license since it is not being exported.
wrongway
(Skuzzy gets up early, don't he?)