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Title: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 04, 2009, 09:24:59 PM
Anyone have any pictures of this bird other then these? I could really use one of the right side of the fusaloge.




(http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/357g/b6-o.jpg)

(http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/357g/b6-opro.jpg)
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Krusty on January 04, 2009, 10:20:52 PM
That's actually a pretty nice skin idea! I'd use it while flying pony Bs!
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Guppy35 on January 05, 2009, 12:42:26 AM
I take it you've been to Bud Anderson's website?

http://www.cebudanderson.com/


Bill Overstreet talking about the markings on his P51C "Berlin Express"

http://www.cebudanderson.com/357profileberlinexpress.htm

A fairly decent diecast P51C of "Berlin Express"  autographed by Overstreet

http://www.flyingmule.com/products/FM-B11E431

While this is from his earlier B model, I do believe the markings on the right side of Berlin Express were similar.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/overstreet.jpg)

Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 05, 2009, 01:46:40 AM
That's what I was looking for Dan.  :aok


N7 said that there was a "dragon riding a P51" and we could only find very small pictures of it. With that picture I have enough detail to try and remake it.




Edit: One other question. What does the decal under the bombs say exactly?
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Guppy35 on January 05, 2009, 02:03:06 AM
I think you are talking about the data block


U.S. ARMY P51C-10NT
SERIAL NO. AAF 42-103309
CREW WEIGHT 200 LBS.
SERVICE THIS AIRPLANE WITH
GRADE 100/130 FUEL. IF NOT
AVAILALABLE T.O. 06-5-1 WILL BE
CONSULTED FOR EMERGENCY ACTION
SUITABLE FOR AROMATIC FUEL
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: lyric1 on January 05, 2009, 07:17:11 AM
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=SS72838
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 05, 2009, 12:21:22 PM
It still needs a lot of work but here is what I have done on the left side. Main thing that needs reworking are the panel lines, rivets, and screws. I need to make two sets of each. One for where the aluminum is showing and one for all the parts that are painted. So they look right on each surface.




Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Guppy35 on January 05, 2009, 03:34:09 PM
It still needs a lot of work but here is what I have done on the left side. Main thing that needs reworking are the panel lines, rivets, and screws. I need to make two sets of each. One for where the aluminum is showing and one for all the parts that are painted. So they look right on each surface.






For what it's worth, by the time it got the Malcom hood, the D-Day stripes would have only been lower half of the fuselage and wings.  And I note that you have full stripes on the fuselage and no invasion stripes on the top of the wing.  If its all the way round the fuselage it's all the way round the wing too :)
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 05, 2009, 04:15:48 PM
I had them all the way around the top of the wing until I saw the photo you posted. So what you are saying it should look like eather one of these, or should the top of the wings and h-stab be clean in the bottom one?



Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Guppy35 on January 05, 2009, 06:48:35 PM
I like the bottom one more.  It's correct for the time Berlin Express had the Malcom hood.  Full D-Day stripes weren't worn for very long.  The half stripes cover a greater time period too so I'd go with that if you are wanting my opinion.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Banshee7 on January 05, 2009, 06:57:52 PM
Yeah...Dan already stated what I was gonna say.  the bottom one looks killer and way better than the top one IMO.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 05, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
Okay bottom one it is. That version would have had the horse riding the pony right?
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Guppy35 on January 05, 2009, 10:53:36 PM
Okay bottom one it is. That version would have had the horse riding the pony right?

On the right side.  I think that was common to any of Overstreet's 51s
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 06, 2009, 12:22:48 AM
How does this look? Overstreet said that the horse was brown so I took the picture you posed cut the horse out, remade the P51 and circles by hand, then pasted the horse back. I then took a shade of light brown and painted over the horse with a light brush and set the opacity to 65% so the shading from the original photo shows up, but there is still enough brown that it doesn't look like a grayscale picture.




Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Treize69 on January 06, 2009, 12:26:33 AM
I like that noseart almost as much as McKennons P-51B "Yippee Joe" of the 334FS/4FG.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 06, 2009, 12:45:26 AM
Don't forget the whitewalls and the red wheeles.




wrongway
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 06, 2009, 12:53:30 AM
Don't forget the whitewalls and the red wheeles.




wrongway


Way ahead of you.  :aok



Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: SlapShot on January 06, 2009, 12:15:06 PM
Looking at the profile in your original post and then looking at your panel lines ... from the cockpit back, there are some real obvious discrepancies ... not sure who or which one would be correct.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: oakranger on January 06, 2009, 01:21:49 PM
Here is the B modle. 

(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/North_American_P-51B_MUSTANG_B6O_40.jpg?t=1231269463)
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 06, 2009, 02:19:01 PM
Looking at the profile in your original post and then looking at your panel lines ... from the cockpit back, there are some real obvious discrepancies ... not sure who or which one would be correct.


This is where Iv always got my panel lines from.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.airwar.ru/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.airwar.ru/index.html%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG


Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Guppy35 on January 06, 2009, 07:41:45 PM
I have a template for a P51B/C profile that I keep tweaking as I find out more or get better photos. 

I think it's fairly accurate for panel lines.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/ConjonIV.jpg)
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: SlapShot on January 07, 2009, 04:10:33 PM
OK ... looking at your left hand profile ... compared to Dan's ... it's the "red" cap that is throwing my eye off ... your position is not the same as Dan's ... I hope you understand that I am not trying to be nit picky here Larry.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 07, 2009, 05:11:48 PM
OK ... looking at your left hand profile ... compared to Dan's ... it's the "red" cap that is throwing my eye off ... your position is not the same as Dan's ... I hope you understand that I am not trying to be nit picky here Larry.

No. I can use any suggestions you guys have. I'm still pretty new to skinning Allied planes and need you guys to help as much as you can.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 07, 2009, 07:24:37 PM
OK ... looking at your left hand profile ... compared to Dan's ... it's the "red" cap that is throwing my eye off ... your position is not the same as Dan's ... I hope you understand that I am not trying to be nit picky here Larry.

Aux. Fuel Tank cap, I believe.  It looks one panel to far forward on your profile vs. The profile of a P-51B/C that Dan posted.



wrongway
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: oboe on January 10, 2009, 04:43:31 PM
Shaping up to be a beauty of a skin, Larry.    Looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on January 11, 2009, 05:55:35 PM
I think its ready for submition.



Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: SlapShot on January 12, 2009, 11:42:35 AM
Looks good ... one more thing ... the font being used "on the side of the plane" ... it doesn't look the same as the profile or the black & white picture you posted.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: hammer on January 12, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
I believe the squadron code, B6, should be in front of the star/bar on the right side with the 0 behind. 

Regards,

Hammer
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Treize69 on January 12, 2009, 05:29:39 PM
I believe the squadron code, B6, should be in front of the star/bar on the right side with the 0 behind. 

Regards,

Hammer

If it conforms to 8th AAF regs, yes, the right side should read O*B6
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: 1pLUs44 on January 12, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
Very, very nice work TrueKill

:salute
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: texastc316 on January 15, 2009, 04:21:22 PM
my future ponyB skin!! thanks Larry, cant wait to get it.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Seadog36 on May 11, 2010, 12:18:19 AM
I guess we just have to live with the malcom hood on all B/C models...
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Guppy35 on May 11, 2010, 01:07:00 AM
I guess we just have to live with the malcom hood on all B/C models...

Did you ever fly the AH1 51B with the 'coffin" hood?  The folks at HTC listened when folks suggested the Malcom to help with the visibilty.  I think more people are apt to fly the Malcom B due to that.  It makes a difference, much as it did for real.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Seadog36 on May 11, 2010, 02:30:59 AM
Did you ever fly the AH1 51B with the 'coffin" hood?  The folks at HTC listened when folks suggested the Malcom to help with the visibilty.  I think more people are apt to fly the Malcom B due to that.  It makes a difference, much as it did for real.

That's funny Guppy, I never did fly AH1, I'm sure it helps visibility. I think people would fly the B in either config, especially for the speed in MW. I think the birdcage looks cooler, less of a design afterthought. They put Malcolms on a number of Razorback Jugs too~ those are really ugly!
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Krusty on May 11, 2010, 01:13:27 PM
Way to bump a 1.5 year-old thread!

To answer Guppy, though, I miss the birdcage. It has a place in my heart. I wish we could have an option like the nose on the B-25C, and depending what option you take it swaps out that canopy. I'd fly the old style plenty!
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Seadog36 on May 11, 2010, 03:27:23 PM
 I'm with you Krusty :aok
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on May 11, 2010, 11:34:43 PM
Way to bump a 1.5 year-old thread!


Its because i posted a link in another thread when someone asked to see my p51c skin
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: uptown on May 12, 2010, 04:14:36 AM
Thanks for posting. Now if HTC will only let us have it  :pray Nice work man  :salute
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Plazus on February 08, 2011, 03:43:00 PM
Bump.

Larry's P51C skin for the P51B is definitely worthy of being rotated in game. The detail and the work put into must be noticed! Several 51B skins currently in game is so old that they should be rotated out.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: Larry on February 10, 2011, 10:48:03 AM
Thanks plaz. Seeing as I don't play anymore and I think the squad member for whom I made this skin for doesn't either I honestly don't care is this skin ever sees the light of day.
Title: Re: P-51C "Berlin Express"
Post by: oboe on February 10, 2011, 09:08:29 PM
I think quite a few people would use this skin if it were in game, especially appropriate for the BoG scenario.  I hope it gets in!