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Title: Brewster information thread
Post by: Pyro on January 06, 2009, 09:44:46 AM
I'm looking for data on the Brewster B-239.  Detailed specs, flight data, pilot manual, photos, weight schedule, etc.  Please post info or links to info here.  Please don't post other stuff in this thread.  :salute
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: BansheCH on January 06, 2009, 10:29:09 AM
Some specs and history I found. I am still looking for more.

(http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/artikkelit/suomi_simuissa/fb-bw1.jpg)

(http://koti.mbnet.fi/~jjuvonen/photos/bw-364_5.jpg)

(http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto/windb4.jpg)

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f2a_3.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_B-239

http://www.flickr.com/photos/saminkuvat/sets/72157606071317069/
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Fencer51 on January 06, 2009, 11:33:06 AM
http://heninen.net/brewster/english.htm

Keskinen, Kalevi and Stenman, Kari. ''Brewster Model 239: Suomen Ilmavoimien Historia 1A''. Espoo, Finland: Kari Stenman Publishing, 2005. ISBN 952-99432-3-7.

Keskinen, Kalevi and Stenman, Kari. ''Brewster Model 239: Suomen Ilmavoimien Historia 1B''. Espoo, Finland: Kari Stenman Publishing, 2005. ISBN 952-99432-4-5.

Maas, Jim. ''F2A Buffalo in action''. Carrollton, Texas: Squadron/Signal publications, 1988. ISBN 0-89747-196-2.

Shores, Christopher. ''The Brewster Buffalo (Aircraft in Profile 217)''. Windsor, Berkshire, UK: Profile Publications Ltd., 1971.

Zbiegniewski, Andre R. ''Brewster F2A Buffalo''. Lublin, Poland: Kagero, 2003. ISBN 83-89088-14-2. (bilangual Polish/English)  http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/Books/Kagero/Buffalo/Buffalo.html


[edit]  Don't know why I am bothering as the Finns undoubtably have all this ready and waiting.. but you might want to contact these guys, they probably have information.. http://www.k-silmailumuseo.fi/contact_information
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Baumer on January 06, 2009, 11:57:30 AM
Pyro,
I found the Brewster pilots notes for sale at Sircuro. I'm not sure if anyone all ready has it, but it might be a place to start.

http://www.sicuropublishing.com/servlet/the-2001/Brewster-Buffalo-I-F2A/Detail (http://www.sicuropublishing.com/servlet/the-2001/Brewster-Buffalo-I-F2A/Detail)

                           (http://www.sicuropublishing.com/catalog/Brewster_buffalo__DVD_Front_Store.jpg)


 :salute   Baumer
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: RATTFINK on January 06, 2009, 12:51:50 PM
Here is a good book but it's in Finnish.  We could have one of the CM's translate.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Suomen-Ilmavoimien-Historia-1-Brewster-B-239-Ja-Humu_W0QQitemZ280247561101QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Nonfiction_Book?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116


When you do model the Brewster, could we have this skin?


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/F2A-1_VF-3_CV-3_Felix_the_Cat.jpg)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Krusty on January 06, 2009, 02:11:16 PM
I've taken the liberty of uploading my small collection of Brewster stuff.

There is a lot, including some photos of the cockpit of the xf2a, skeleton views, plan views, cutaways, etc. However, some is in japanese, some in russian, some in english. A lot is on the F2a/F3a, but I believe the 239 is shown in some.

Here's a manual for the "Brewster I" from the RAF in the east indies.
http://www.nakatomitower.com/brewster/buffpilotmanual.pdf

Here's the directory I've set up, browse it as you wish:
http://www.nakatomitower.com/brewster/

In there you'll find these as well:

(cutaway views)
http://www.nakatomitower.com/brewster/USAAFplanes105.tif
http://www.nakatomitower.com/brewster/USAAFplanes104.tif

(one of several sets of plan views)
http://www.nakatomitower.com/brewster/USAAFplanes103.tif
http://www.nakatomitower.com/brewster/USAAFplanes102.tif

And a couple of profiles just for default skin inspiration:

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/brewster/f2a-c3.jpg)
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/brewster/f2a-c4.jpg)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Krusty on January 06, 2009, 04:11:11 PM
From an older book I have on US aircraft of WW2, by David Mondey:

Quote
The first monoplane fighter to equip a squadron of the US Navy, Brewster's F2A Buffalo originated from a US Navy requirement of 1936 for a new generation of carrier-based fighters. In requesting proposals from US manufacturers for such an aircraft, the US Navy indicated requirements which included monoplane configuration, wing flaps, arrester gear, retractable landing gear and an enclosed cockpit. Clearly, this specification recognised the fact that the carrier-based biplane was nearing the end of its life.

Proposals were recieved from Brewster, allocated the designation XF2A-1, Grumman (XF4F-1) and Seversky (XFN-1), but of these the only significant aircraft in the long term was the Grumman design, which was initially of biplane configuration and given serious consideration by hte US Navy as an insurance policy against the possible failure of new fangled monoplanes.

A prototype of the Brewster XF2A-1 was ordered on 22 June 1936, and this flew for the first time in December 1937. While bearing a distinct family resemblence to the XSBA-1 of 1934, the new fighter appeared to be tubbier and stubbier, but a comparison of dimensions showed this to be something of an illusion. Of mid-wing monoplane configuration, it was of all0metal construction, except for fabric-covered control surfaces. Hydraulically operated split flaps were provided, and the main units of the tailwheel type landing gear retracted inward to be housed in the fuselage wells. The powerplant consisted of a 950-hp (708-kW) Wright XR-1820-22 Cyclone raidal engine, driving a Hamilton three-blade metal propeller.

Service testing of the prototype begain in January 1938, and on 11 June the US Navy contracted with Brewster for the supply of 54 F2A-1s. Deliveriesof these started 12 months later, nine aircraft going almost immediately to equip US Navy Squadron VF-3 aboard the USS Saratoga. The available balance of 44 aircraft was, sympathetically, declared surplus to requirements and, instead, supplied to Finland which was then fighting off the might of the Soviet Union. Later equipping Nos. 24 and 26 Squadrons of the Finnish Air Regiment LeR2, they remained successfully operation until mid-1944.

An improved version was ordered by the US Navy in early 1939, this having a more powerful engine, an improved propeller and built-in flotation gear. Designated F2A-2s, these began to enter service in September 1940. They were followed by F2A-3s with more armour and a bulletproof windscreen, and these two production versions were to equip US Navy Squadrons VF-2 and VF-3, and US Marine Corps Squadron VMF-221. A number were used operationally in the Pacific but as the type was overweight, unstable and of poor manoeuverability, it was no match for opposing Japanese fighters.

Belgian and British purchasing missions ordered 40 B-339 and 170 B-339E aircraft respectively, most of the former going to Britain after Belgium hand been overrun. These orders were for land-based versions, without arrester gear and other equipment specifically for shipboard operations, but were otherwise generally similar to the F2A-3s. Of those received from teh Belgian order, a small number served with Nos. 805 and 885 Squadrons of the Fleet Air Arm, the former squadron using them for support rather than combat duties during the defense of Crete.

Of those which were ordered for the RAF, which gave the type the name Buffalo, deliveries began in July 1940. No. 71 Squadron received the first of these for service trials in September, and it was realised immediately that the Buffalo's performance was totally inadequate for the type's development in the European theatre. Instead, the Buffalos were sent to the Far East to equip RAF's Nos. 67, 146, 243, 453 and 488 Squadrons and the Royal Australian Air Force's No. 21 Squadron to defend Singapore and the Straits Settlements. Completely unsuited to the task, the few which survived the Japanese invasion fought alongside the American Volunteer Group operating in Burma. Buffaloes with the most successful combat record were a small number of almost 100 which had been ordered for the air arm of the Netherlands East Ineies' army, which saw action in Java and Malaya. These had the Brewster model numbers B-339D and B-439. The former was similar to teh B-339E, but the B-439 had a 1,200-hp (895-kW) Wright GR-1820-G205A engine.

Specification:
Type: single-seat land- or ship-based fighter
Powerplant (F2A-3): one 1,200-hp (895kW) Wright R-1820-40 Cyclone radial piston engine
Performance: maximum speed 321 mph (517 km/h) at 16,500 ft. (5030 m); cruising speed 258mph (415 km/h); service ceiling 33,200 ft (10120 m); range 965 miles (1553 km)
Weights: empty 4,732 lb (2146 kg); maximum take-off 7,159 lb (3247 kg)
Dimensions: span 35 ft 0 in (10.67 m); length 26 ft 4 in (8.03 m); height 12 ft 1 in (3.68 m); wing area 208.9 sq ft (19.41 m^2)
Armament: frout 0.50-in (12.7-mm) machien-guns, plus two 100-lb (45kg) bombs.

Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Enker on January 06, 2009, 05:25:35 PM
From a library book I got. not finished scanning all of the pages, but it makes an interesting read though. :salute

http://s383.photobucket.com/albums/oo280/Enker_photo/Brewster%20Buffalo%20Info/ (http://s383.photobucket.com/albums/oo280/Enker_photo/Brewster%20Buffalo%20Info/)


Bibliography:
United States Naval Fighters of World War II
Michael O'Leary
Published by Blandford Press
ISBN: 0 7137 0956 1
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: dtango on January 06, 2009, 05:28:14 PM
Pyro:

I assume you want specifically Brewster F2A B-239 (modified F2A-1) data and not just any F2A variant?

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Pyro on January 06, 2009, 09:44:54 PM
I'm looking specifically for B-239 but F2A data is welcome. 
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: dtango on January 06, 2009, 11:28:30 PM
I'm looking specifically for B-239 but F2A data is welcome. 

Thanks for the clarification.  In that case There's 7 NACA reports with data on the F2A and variant data.  None of them are the B-239.  I assume you probably have these already but for reference sake here they are:

Power-on wind tunnel test F2A 1/8-scale model
Power-on longitudinal-stability and control tests F2A 1/8-scale model
Power-off wind tunnel test F2A 1/8-scale model
Additional power-on wind-tunnel test F2A 1/8-scale model
F2A-2 compressibility flight test data
F2A-2 lateral control flight test data
Calculated and measured turning peformance of F2A-3 including flaps

Here is the NTRS search results for the above:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode%20matchall&Ntt=f2a


Additionally:

NACA F2A-2 flight tests with various flap configs:
http://hdl.handle.net/2060/19930092639

NACA Drag Analysis which includes tests and data on the XF2A-1:
http://hdl.handle.net/2060/19930092657
http://hdl.handle.net/2060/19760019077


I bet gripen probably has some data on the F2A B-239.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: lyric1 on January 07, 2009, 07:44:12 AM
What I have. http://www.airforce.gov.au/raafmuseum/research/aircraft/series2/A51.htm  (http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6415/scan94hq0.th.jpg) (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan94hq0.jpg) http://www.airliners.net/photo/Finland---Air/Brewster-B-239-Buffalo/1335754/M/  http://www.flickr.com/photos/saminkuvat/sets/72157606071317069/  http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Cgna1p9b0pY/RoB_qirn96I/AAAAAAAAAL4/EgBa6gErZ00/Picture%2B380.jpg&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pEUsfnvK50yVq9F0fjZrxg&usg=__QKeXQv3BNfvPsleWYlMNzmBQJys=&h=768&w=1024&sz=19&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=OQ_LcuYQk7OGzM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrewster%2Bb%2B239%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBR_enUS236US236%26sa%3DN
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: mipoikel on January 07, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
Anyone have a Pic of the one surviving Buff? In Finland? Maybe the story behind it?

Seems a shame. Only one left of an airplane that served so honorably.

Yes, some pics... this pic was taken in our visit to museum last year.

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_T03fPu8Q4q0/R-5kkcJFr7I/AAAAAAAAB-I/dT1qAfUtW1M/s800/llv32.jpg)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: NHawk on January 07, 2009, 08:24:45 AM
Now where else would you get info on the Buffalo? (see avatar)

SPECIFICATIONS
Wingspan:  35 ft (10.67 m) 
Wing Area: 209 sq ft (19.42 sq m) 

Length: 
  F2A-1: 26 ft (7.92 m) 
  F2A-2: 25 ft 7 in (7.80 m) 
  F2A-3: 26 ft 4 in (8.03 m) 

Height: 
  F2A-1: 11 ft 8 in (3.56 m) 
  F2A-2 and -3: 12 ft 1 in (3.68 m) 

Empty weight: 
  F2A-1: 3,785 lbs (1,716.84 kg) 
  F2A-2: 4,576 lbs (2,075.64 kg) 
  F2A-3: 4,732 lbs (2,146,40 kg) 

Gross weight 
  F2A-1: 5,055 lbs (2,292.90 kg) 
  F2A-2: 5,942 lbs (2,695.25 kg) 
  F2A-3: 6,321 lbs (2,867.16 kg)

Maximum speed: 
  F2A-1: 271 mph (436.13 km/h) at sea level; 301 mph (484.41 km/h) at 17,000 ft (5,182.60 m) 
  F2A-2: 285 mph (458.66 km/h) at sea level; 323 mph (519.82 km/h) at 16,500 ft (5,029.20 m) 
  F2A-3: 284 mph (457.05 km/h) at sea level; 321 mph (516.60 km/h) at 16,500 ft (5,029.20 m) 

Climb in 1 minute: 
 F2A-1: 3,060 ft (932.69 m) 
 F2A-2: 2,500 ft (762.00 m) 
 F2A-3: 2,290 ft (697.99 m) 

Service ceiling: 
  F2A-1: 32,500 ft (9,906.00 m) 
  F2A-2: 34,000 ft (10,363.20 m) 
  F2A-3: 33,200 ft (10,119.36 m)

Range: 
  F2A-1: 1,095 mi (1,762.23 km) 
  F2A-2: 1,015 mi (1,633.48 km) 
  F2A-3: 965 mi (1,553.02 km) 

Maximum range: 
  F2A-1: 1,545 mi (2,486.44 km) 
  F2A-2: 1,670 mi (2,687.60 km) 
  F2A-3: 1,680 mi (2,703.70 km) 

Normal fuel: 
  F2A-1: 160 US gal (605.67 l) 
  F2A-2: 242 US gal (916.07 l) 
  F2A-3: 240 US gal (908.50 l)

Engine:
1200 hp Wright R-1820-40

Armament:
Four 50 cal (12.7mm?) guns
 
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/buffplans.JPG)

Cockpit - Right Side..
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/rgtcok.jpg)

Cockpit - Front..
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/ctrcok.jpg)

Cockpit - Left Side..
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/leftcok.jpg)

Misc Pictures..
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/finskibb.jpg)
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/bbia.jpg)
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/tomcheek.jpg)
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/usadvtr.jpg)
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/fesqd.jpg)
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/82132.jpg)
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/herd2.jpg)

Humu & ME109
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/finnfighters.jpg)

The sole surviving Finnish Built Humu..
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/buff1/bbphotos/humu.jpg)


I'll see what else we have. :)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: NHawk on January 07, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
Telescopic site used on the F2A and early F4F-3s. (See 8th picture in above post by me..American Plane 21)

Mark III Model 4
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/htc/site.jpg)
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/htc/msite.jpg)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Wmaker on January 08, 2009, 08:25:33 AM
Hiya Pyro!

By the time Brewster Model 239's started seeing combat they were equipped with Vaisala T.h.m.40 reflector sights. T.h.m.40 was a license built Revi 3c/Revi 3d. Unfortunately I haven't really seen much documentation, drawings or pictures of this gunsight. Here are couple of pictures of the original Revi sights that might help a bit with the 3D-modeling. I'll try to locate possible drawings and other reference material regarding this gun sight and get back to you!

I hope it's ok if I'll send the documentation I mentioned earlier to info(at)hitechcreations.com. It's over 15 megs but doubt it'll clutter your mailbox too much. :)

Others,

Try to keep this thread on original topic, please. Pyro was specifically asking info about the Brewster Model 239, the early export model...he wasn't asking about the Naval F2A-variants nor about the later export variants. It will be a lot easier and take a lot less of pyro's time to sort through this thread when it isn't cluttered with off-topic material.

Some pics:

Revi 3C:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/REVI3c.jpg)

Very nice 3D-model of the Revi 3C:
(http://gunsight.jp/c/image2/3D%20Revi%203c.jpg)
http://gunsight.jp/c/english/sight-e-3D%20Revi3c.htm (http://gunsight.jp/c/english/sight-e-3D%20Revi3c.htm)

Revi 3D:

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/revi31.jpg)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/revi.jpg)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Wmaker on January 08, 2009, 09:43:38 AM
Our very own Wasq's pics of the BW-372. 60 odd years in the bottom of the lake isn't the best place to store an aircraft but these pics still very good for details like the pilots seat for example: http://flickr.com/photos/wasq/sets/72157604361588076/ (http://flickr.com/photos/wasq/sets/72157604361588076/)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: BlauK on January 08, 2009, 02:04:39 PM
Some translated tidbits from Jukka Raunio: "Lentäjän näkökulma II", 1993 (=Pilot's viewpoint II)

Before the US Navy got its F2A-2:s, Brewster company was allowed to deliver 40 F2A-2:s conversions for land bases (carrier equipment was removed) to Belgium, and they were already designated as version 339B (!!!). Thus the Navy's F2A-2:s were ready only in the end of 1940 and these planes went to USS Saratoga and to USS Lexington in early 1941.

Belgium never got their planes, since they got occupied before the shipments arrived. Instead 6 of them were converted to Finnish versions and the rest were shipped to England, which had ordered 170 F2A-2:s (versions 339E). Most of these were sent to Far-East, where they had little success and got the nickname "Buffalo".

Holland ordered 144 planes, but had the order was cut in half because Brewster could not acquire enough Wright engines. The Dutch planes were designated 339C and 339D. They arrived to Java in Apr 1941 and were fairly successful against Japanese (exchange ratio 2 kills to 1 loss), until their bases were captured.

Last 16 Brewsters (model 339-23 or same as B-439) were delivered to Australia in spring 1942.

Altogether 509 Brewster planes of various versions were built. 55 of them were model B-239 or F2A-1.

F2A-3, which was ordered in Jan 1941, got a longer nose and its empty weight was 2146kg (463kg more than in F2A-1 and 272kg more than in F2A-2).

Finland bought 44 Model 239:s on Dec 16th 1939. Price per plane was 54000 usd plus packaging and delivery costs. In addition 10 spare engines, 20 propellers and other spare parts were bought so that teh total price was 3,4 million usd.
Brewster factory removed all US Navy property from the planes: carrier equipment, weapons, gun sights and gauges. This stripping came as a surprise to Finns, since they had assumed buying complete airplanes.
Finns had to replace all teh missing equipment from elsewhere.. e.g. gauges which were meant for Fokker XXI:s. The planes were assembled in Sweden in spring 1940.
(!!!! I would not consider this a field modification ;) !!!)

-----

"America's Hundred Thousand" by Francis H. Dean (page 436) mentions almost same manufacturing figures with just minor differences like 20 Aussie Brewsters instead of 16. There is alltogether 33 pages of text, pics, tables and graphs in that boom about F2A (pages 436-469).
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: BlauK on January 08, 2009, 02:47:42 PM
One more link:
http://tripatlas.com/F2A_Buffalo
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Wmaker on January 10, 2009, 05:48:20 AM
The B-239 was virtually identical to the F2A-1 except it had a Wright R-1820-G5 Cyclone engine rated at 905hp.

Actually 950hp with 5 min 1000hp WEP. F2A-1s didn't see combat.
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Wmaker on January 12, 2009, 06:58:28 AM
More great pics of the Revi 3c can be found here:

http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/Panelnachbau/Erwin/Me%20109%20E/Me109%20E%20Swiss.htm (http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/Panelnachbau/Erwin/Me%20109%20E/Me109%20E%20Swiss.htm)

...The finnish license-built version most probably didn't have any text/arrow symbols on the knob which controls the brightness of the reticle.
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Saxman on January 12, 2009, 04:26:01 PM
The British used Brewsters in Indochina, and as noted the Australians and I THINK New Zealanders did as well. The only combat by American Brewsters were the Marine Corps F2A-3s based at Midway.
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: FTJR on January 13, 2009, 06:38:21 AM
RAAF 453 squadron was deployed to Singapore in August 1941, as fears of war with Japan increased. The squadron, along with No. 21 Squadron RAAF, No. 243 Squadron RAF and No. 488 Squadron RNZAF, flew Brewster Buffalo fighters, but the Buffalos supplied to these squadrons proved to be poor in quality. Following the Japanese invasion of Malaya on 8 December 1941, 453 Squadron was deployed to airfields at Ipoh and Kuala Lumpur. The squadron strove to support the ground troops by providing air cover and attacking Japanese troops and transport, but suffered high losses in doing so. The squadron withdrew to Singapore on 24 December with only three working aircraft. In Singapore, 453 Squadron merged with 21 Squadron. The squadron fought on until 5 February with just six operational Buffaloes. In spite of many mechanical problems the Buffalo squadrons claimed a 2:1 kill ratio against the Japanese. When 453 Squadron arrived in Java it could not again be made operational. It was ordered back to Australia, and was disbanded at Adelaide on 15 March 1942.
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: FTJR on January 15, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
I only saw that in a novel so far, but pretty sure they were in Singapore.
Anyway, Brewsters in Hong Kong too?

I dont know about Hong Kong, sorry.

Just picked up the book I bought the other day, but hadn't started reading. 51 Hurricanes sent to Singapore in Crates.  Apparently they flew, but as the book is an overall view, it doesn't mention specifics.
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: FTJR on January 16, 2009, 02:36:24 AM
Had to track down the hurricanes..

http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/rafhistorytimeline1942.cfm
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Widewing on January 16, 2009, 08:01:56 PM
Ahh!
"Jan 1942 - Reinforcements arrive in the Far East to supplement the defensive air forces; 51 Hurricanes arrive in Singapore, 48 Hurricanes in Sumatra and 30 Hurricanes and Blenheims arrived in Burma from the Middle East."
I remember they flew to Palembang when Singapor fell.
"26 Jan-30 Mar 1942 - The Japanese advance through the Far East. By the end of January, the RAF and other British and allied forces had withdrawn from Malaya and Singapore to Sumatra. Two weeks later, the enemy captured Palembang airfield in Sumatra destroying 39 Hurricanes in the process. By 18 February, the Allies had evacuated to Java. RAF aircraft in the area had been reduced to 18 serviceable Hurricane fighters, 12 Hudson, 6 Blenheim and four Vildebeest bombers."
I see no word of the Brewster though. A place to look could be the book "Bloody Shambles" by Christopher Shores. I bet Guppy has it :D
I have found one little thing about the Brewster in a book though - will post today and a picture with it!
(2 books, 2 pics). However, I'd vote for the Finnish Brewster skin as a default ;)


RAF Brewsters were in Burma. All were eventually lost or simply ran out of spare parts defending Rangoon. The 67th Squadron was transferred from Singapore to Mingaladon airfield. Most of the 67th's pilots were New Zealanders.

(http://www.warbirdforum.com/warillus.jpg)
(http://www.rafweb.org/Markings/67Sqn6.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdforum.com/67sgtpilots.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdforum.com/67cooper.jpg)

Brewster Mk.I Pilot's Manual: http://www.warbirdforum.com/buffpilotmanual.pdf (http://www.warbirdforum.com/buffpilotmanual.pdf)

Visit Dan Ford's Annals of the Brewster Buffalo website here: http://www.warbirdforum.com/buff.htm (http://www.warbirdforum.com/buff.htm)

This is a "must read site" if you want operational info on Buffalos.

Dan, Erik Shilling and I worked together to identify the AVG's specific P-40/H81 type back in 1997.


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Angus on January 18, 2009, 03:17:24 AM
Ok.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3402/3202763771_0bc9465e3b.jpg)
And
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3476/3203614000_b1238448d5_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: thrila on January 21, 2009, 05:28:40 PM
A pretty picture for you brewster lovers.

(http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/710/Brewster239fighter1940-43.jpg)
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Bronk on January 25, 2009, 09:20:13 AM
Dean's

239 finland
takeoff 950 hp   2200 rpm    at sea lvl              39.5  "hg
military 1000 hp  2200 rpm   at sea lvl
military  800 hp   2200 rpm   at 16,000'
normal    850 hp   2100 rpm   6000 loblo           36.5  "hg
normal    750hp    2100 rpm   15200 loblo          34.0   "hg

Prop 9' in diameter
Empty weight 3744 pounds
2gun 110 gal fuel fighter G.W. 5014.1 lbs
bomber 110 gal fuel        G.W. 5276.0
2gun 160 gal                  G.W.  5314.1
4gun 110gal                    G.W.  5276.1
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: lyric1 on February 01, 2009, 12:16:47 PM
Some captured planes. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/f2abuffalo/brewbuf_japmks.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/f2abuffalo/captured_buffalo.htm&usg=__V9pqpLw6kqYcQwY6izM-SDzdMzE=&h=365&w=521&sz=38&hl=en&start=17&um=1&tbnid=n1_S2V89DyEcmM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrewster%2Bbuffalo%2Bin%2Bjapan%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBR_enUS236US236%26sa%3DN
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Blake7 on February 07, 2009, 10:29:56 PM
Brewster SB2A Buffalo aircraft profile. www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Buffalo.htm (http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Buffalo.htm)
This includes all Variants used by the Royal Navy fleet air arm.
Hope this is of help
 :salute :salute
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: lyric1 on February 09, 2009, 03:46:34 PM
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Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: lyric1 on February 09, 2009, 03:56:51 PM
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Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: lyric1 on February 09, 2009, 04:27:25 PM
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Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: lyric1 on February 10, 2009, 03:28:27 PM
Sweet set of cockpit photos!
I purchased this book has a lot of good stuff from the RAAF side of things. http://www.redroomodels.com/books.php?book=5
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Pyro on March 25, 2009, 02:14:41 PM
I deleted a bunch of posts out of here to try to condense this thread down to just info.  Thanks to everyone who posted info.  For discussions please open a different thread so that it's easy to access the info in this thread.
Title: Re: Brewster information thread
Post by: Wmaker on March 25, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
I calculated the empty mass for the Model 239 (based on AHT tables) equipped with 4*50 cals (Finns gradually replaced the fuselage mounted .30 cal with a .50 cal).

Equipped with 4*.50 cals:
Empty mass: 4363,4 lbs (pilot included)
Fuel (100%): 960 lbs
Oil: 68 lbs
Ammo: 215,3 lbs
Take off weight (full fuel and ammo): 5606,7 lbs

Weights with the .30 cal in place of the .50 can be found from AHT, .30 cal was the left fuselage weapon.