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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LTARogue on January 06, 2009, 12:59:07 PM
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Ok I am going to whine here thanks to Lusche :cry There is the ability to make a selection to "disable other players skins" in this game which for aircraft is of no relevance. There is however great relevance as it relates to GV's in that when this selection is made all enemy GV's appear in their default skin. In all of our current maps this will make you stand out like a sore thumb :aok if you happen to be in a tiger or a panzer with the orangy/brownish camo pattern. Isn't the whole purpose of selecting GV camo to best blend into your terrain to avoid detection by the enemy? I mean nobody chooses their GV skin because "that was such an awsome panzer unit during the battle of Kursk". HiTech, Skuzzy, anybody....can this little ability to "game the game" be fixed as its obviously being exploited because it does make tigers and panzers so easy to spot. My apologys if most players weren't aware of this....so there you have it. :furious
LTARogue
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Man, that explains a lot. I owe you a beer.
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Theres tanks in this game? :confused:
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Good thing shermans come in green. :D Does sound pretty gamey..
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or maybe ... change the "default" skin for those tanks ?
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By the time they see me, it's to late. :salute
LTARecon
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There is one effect that you failed to mention with disabling other players skins. It has a significant effect on your frame rate if you are running a lower end machine. So unless you want to buy me another chipset and motherboard so that I can play with all the bells and whistles running then I am going to continue to shut off other players skins as well as turn down all the other system resource sinks so that I can "Play" the game and not watch a slide show of it. :cool:
So there are other reasons that somebody would use this feature rather than being a "Hack" or "Cheat".
Later,
KayBay
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Seriously, you must be trolling or something. Seeing black helicopters around corners?
This facetious argument has been brought up time and time again by the same small group of people.
It's a NON issue.
The default skin is NOT tied to the terrain, nor should it be. Nor would 1 terrain ALL be the same color (fighting at 1 base would have different ground tiles than fighting at another base on the same map).
You're complaining over something as a possible excuse for why you keep getting killed, is the only thing I can think of, otherwise you would never bring the issue up.
It's NOT a conspiracy. It's NOT out to get you. The default skin is the only one you'd have without the time and efforts of the folks that make the "custom" skins. You might appreciate them more if you weren't allowed to have any for a while. The only (repeat: ONLY) reason the "disable skins" option is there is to ease system problems on slower/weaker PCs, and you need to be careful of the impact your blind blanket request would have to a LOT of AH players.
P.S. Just ask for GV icons. End of story.
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There is one effect that you failed to mention with disabling other players skins. It has a significant effect on your frame rate if you are running a lower end machine. So unless you want to buy me another chipset and motherboard so that I can play with all the bells and whistles running then I am going to continue to shut off other players skins as well as turn down all the other system resource sinks so that I can "Play" the game and not watch a slide show of it. :cool:
So there are other reasons that somebody would use this feature rather than being a "Hack" or "Cheat".
Later,
KayBay
AH can't stay in the past/cater to very lowend computers forever either. That excuse is getting old what u stated. You can build a very nice rig for less then 900.00 and a rig that will play this game with ease for around 500.00
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There is one effect that you failed to mention with disabling other players skins. It has a significant effect on your frame rate if you are running a lower end machine. So unless you want to buy me another chipset and motherboard so that I can play with all the bells and whistles running then I am going to continue to shut off other players skins as well as turn down all the other system resource sinks so that I can "Play" the game and not watch a slide show of it. :cool:
So there are other reasons that somebody would use this feature rather than being a "Hack" or "Cheat".
Later,
KayBay
Haven't gotten any in a while, huh?
The simple and compromising fix would be to make one of the darker Panzer/Tiger skins the default.
I cannot fathom how this would be hard to do, in any way.
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AH can't stay in the past/cater to very lowend computers forever either.
Yes it can.. not the same "lowend" computers though, as what's being a lowend and what's being a highend computer is ever changing. There will always be players that have to tweak options to get some reasonable performance while playing. We have much more skins than in the past now, almost impossible to preload them all. Thus I (having a mid-range system) have disabled other player's skins because I don't like that minor stutter when AH is loading skins from my HD and I don't really notice (or care about) any skins at all in the air ;)
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I don't think he meant the Terrain had much of anything significant to do with it. Just the option of Disabling the others Skins...
I'd just make sure you're hidden well enough, or forget that you stick out like a sore thumb. This really belongs in the wishlist.
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or maybe ... change the "default" skin for those tanks ?
that would be the easiest way to fix it i was thinking the same think... the panzer is a real problem.. just set the default skin to the green camo one....
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AH can't stay in the past/cater to very lowend computers forever either. That excuse is getting old what u stated. You can build a very nice rig for less then 900.00 and a rig that will play this game with ease for around 500.00
Not to be argumentative here but I can tell you that for me and many others it would be very difficult to come up with $500-$900. That is more than a weeks income for me. The way things are now it woul dbe hard for me to come up with an extra $50 right now.
I do however agree that it might be a little easier and a little better solution to make the default skin darker, that is if they are going to change anything in regards to the OP request.
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I don't think he meant the Terrain had much of anything significant to do with it. Just the option of Disabling the others Skins...
I'd just make sure you're hidden well enough, or forget that you stick out like a sore thumb. This really belongs in the wishlist.
YO Bmathis if your saying whati think u saying....Its impossible to hide an orange gv in green no matter how well u hide.....
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Many Gvers have complained about being seen through trees when they can't see the other way. I agree with the Defaults should blend nicely with the terrain. That would be the fairest solution. Don't pay attention to those who deride your issue with: hide better, fly better, play better they just don't have a thought to contribute. :P
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Yes it can.. not the same "lowend" computers though, as what's being a lowend and what's being a highend computer is ever changing. There will always be players that have to tweak options to get some reasonable performance while playing. We have much more skins than in the past now, almost impossible to preload them all. Thus I (having a mid-range system) have disabled other player's skins because I don't like that minor stutter when AH is loading skins from my HD and I don't really notice (or care about) any skins at all in the air ;)
That is why I said very lowend, meaning very old p4 (1.4 or slower). Now I do have a p3 1gig here that will play this game with skins enabled and not miss a beat. Problem is, 80% of the people who play this game know nothing on setting up a computer for gaming. My daughters computer is a AMD64 3200+ (754pin processor) with 1 gig of ram in it running a Nvidia 7600GT video card and 2 hard drives in the system. c: drive is operating system and d: is the game drive. Doing this allow the comptuter to access both HD's at same time for either resources/info. With this setup she gets 50+ fps at 1024x768 res and sliders at max detail and all boxes checked including skins. Now she can't run any Anti Aliasing as that just pukes it in massive GV battles.
My system is only mid stream. It only a AMD64 4800+ dual core (939 pin) with 2 gig of cas 2 ram. Only thing that is near high end is the video card, a Nvidia 9800GTX+ with 512 meg ram on it. I have 3 HD's, c for system, d for games, e for vitural memory and backup files. I have 8xAA enabled at 1440x900 res, 1024 high textures, skins preloaded and at max detail sliders/ range. I very rarely go below 65 fps even in huge furballs. All my systems that are setup for gaming do run more then 17 processes running before going into the game.
Again, it all in the tweaking and setup of your rig that will get the most out of it. But like I said before, many here don't know how or know anything about this.
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AKDogg,
hey budd, I dont recall ever asking HTC to maintain a Nastalga system just for me. However if they did include system resource use adjustments in their product then they must have intended for people to use them to get better performance if "Needed" or if only "Desired". :cool:
And if you or anybody else has any dilusions that I am reducing system resource drains so that I can "Game the Game" or get some kind of advantage... just pull up my score bro and take a gander. I dont think that my rating in "Any" category will support any such notion :cool:
Check me out on the Score board bro SEKayBay and I think you will find your argument that I am using system resource drain as an "Excuse" to "Game the Game" wont hold water. :cool:
I dont believe that at any time since I started this game I have ever been below the 50% mark on the score board. I think that score board will support the idea that I have a pretty serious Gravity Well around me at all times in game.
And for those of you that think dropping $500 - $900 on a system is pocket change, hey tell me where you live so I can follow you around and grab up all the cash you dribble on the deck as you wander around. Cause that is a heck of a lot of shoes, socks, clothing, groceries and Doctor visits for my family that I would be dumping into something just for me. It takes a long time to save up that kind of expendable cash. Like another posted, I am doing good if I can sock away > $40 a month for my own personal use. Guess my priority is taking care of my Wife and Kids first and me last. :cool:
So until I can sock away enough to do a serious upgrade I will continue to reduce the system resource drain settings to improve my system performance. :D
But ya know, even if I had the top system on the planet my score would still be in the toilet... cause I suck. :cool:
Later,
KayBay
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YO Bmathis if your saying whati think u saying....Its impossible to hide an orange gv in green no matter how well u hide.....
:lol
Yea pretty much. I'm not the greatest of Gver's, but I really enjoy the ground aspect of Aces High.
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or maybe ... change the "default" skin for those tanks ?
As the "default" terrain colors for the ground in this game seem to be green more than not, I think this is the best idea, make all the tank default skins a green skin.
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Seriously, you must be trolling or something. Seeing black helicopters around corners?
This facetious argument has been brought up time and time again by the same small group of people.
It's a NON issue.
The default skin is NOT tied to the terrain, nor should it be. Nor would 1 terrain ALL be the same color (fighting at 1 base would have different ground tiles than fighting at another base on the same map).
You're complaining over something as a possible excuse for why you keep getting killed, is the only thing I can think of, otherwise you would never bring the issue up.
It's NOT a conspiracy. It's NOT out to get you. The default skin is the only one you'd have without the time and efforts of the folks that make the "custom" skins. You might appreciate them more if you weren't allowed to have any for a while. The only (repeat: ONLY) reason the "disable skins" option is there is to ease system problems on slower/weaker PCs, and you need to be careful of the impact your blind blanket request would have to a LOT of AH players.
P.S. Just ask for GV icons. End of story.
Krusty, I love you man, but no.
This is a HUGE thing. I've had Panzers blend in with the bushes in a green camo, so that if you aren't looking for them, you might not see them at first. But when its bright orange, it WILL stand out. This is a non-issue with the M4, the M3, the M8, and the early T-34 because these are all green default skins. The Tiger (The highest-perk-cost GV), the Panzer, The Wirbelwind, the Ostwind, and the SDK are ALL bright yellow/orange default skins. Its a dirty trick that DOES make a big difference when youre in a tank.
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By the same logic it's totally and morally unfair and a complete bias that the default plane skins are NOT sky blue! I'm quitting unless all the defaults are changed to sky blue!!!! :furious :( :mad: :mad: :mad:
:rolleyes:
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when i did that to try and improve my cpu performance disabling skins made it worse
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By the same logic it's totally and morally unfair and a complete bias that the default plane skins are NOT sky blue! I'm quitting unless all the defaults are changed to sky blue!!!! :furious :( :mad: :mad: :mad:
:rolleyes:
Ah, but notice the difference. Color in the air makes no difference because you always get a bright red icon over them long before spotting them becomes an issue. It is impossible to "hide" a plane. Tanks however do not have icons, and thus it is necessary to find them based on their appearance alone. And so, it actually DOES matter what the thing looks like. A sky-blue P-51 is just as easy to find as a hot-pink P-51. A green tiger in a bush is 10 x harder to find than an orange Tiger in a bush.
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The default panzer skin really does stick out compared to other skins....
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By the same logic it's totally and morally unfair and a complete bias that the default plane skins are NOT sky blue! I'm quitting unless all the defaults are changed to sky blue!!!! :furious :( :mad: :mad: :mad:
:rolleyes:
Your're comparing apples and oranges.
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<<<<Again, it all in the tweaking and setup of your rig that will get the most out of it. But like I said before, many here don't know how or know anything about this.>>>>
AKDogg, you are so correct. I've tried to explain to people about creating a "gaming" startup profile that has most services disabled, but most don't or won't listen.
If people would check out the blackviper site and spend a little time you can tweak a 2.5 gig machine to run online games like a champ.
http://www.blackviper.com/
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AKDogg,
However if they did include system resource use adjustments in their product then they must have intended for people to use them to get better performance if "Needed" or if only "Desired". :cool:
HTC will never do this as it creates a liability issue because they will be messing with stuff that was not designed by them. All game manufactures would not do this. This is your responsibility, not HTC's. However HTC has posted tips and tweaks to help you out with that.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,231506.0.html
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Isn't the whole purpose of selecting GV camo to best blend into your terrain to avoid detection by the enemy?
That is one purpose, the other is to look damn sexy while killing :D
Grey tigr <-- :aok
It's a NON issue.
You would know right? Seeing as how you hardly ever use tanks. :rolleyes:
I dont think it would be too hard to change the default skin with an already pre-made skin but I dont think it is a huge deal either way.
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By the same logic it's totally and morally unfair and a complete bias that the default plane skins are NOT sky blue! I'm quitting unless all the defaults are changed to sky blue!!!! :furious :( :mad: :mad: :mad:
:rolleyes:
You miss the point entirely. If the default skin of all GVs stood out like a sore thumb, there would be no issue. But the default for the Sherman and to a lesser extent the T-34s blend into the terrain colors much better than the default skins of the Tiger or Panzer. Changing the default skin on the Tiger and Panzer to a green shade would make the complaint go away.
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Krusty you speak of things for which you have no knowledge...........and in your arrogance you have completely missed the point as others have also noticed. Let me spell it out to you so that you may understand. This feature is most certainly being used by people to game the game and have an unfair advantage over others and so if there is an easy fix then lets do it. I do not believe I have ever even seen you in a tank so do you like to just hear yourself post? Talk about trolling and black helicopters. :noid Please do not hijack this post or the subject matter being discussed as obviously it does not concern you. :aok
LTARogue
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You gents do understand that the default Panzer and Tiger skins are basically the standard paint scheme for German tanks from late 42 on? Tans, greens and browns?
Outside of whitewashing them in the winter to blend with the snow, they had those colors or variations of the same regardless of the theater they were in. So Green Shermans and T34s were shooting at Panzers and Tigers painted in tan, brown and green mottled camo.
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You gents do understand that the default Panzer and Tiger skins are basically the standard paint scheme for German tanks from late 42 on? Tans, greens and browns?
Outside of whitewashing them in the winter to blend with the snow, they had those colors or variations of the same regardless of the theater they were in. So Green Shermans and T34s were shooting at Panzers and Tigers painted in tan, brown and green mottled camo.
We said it was stupid, not un-historical (Is that a word?)
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We said it was stupid, not un-historical (Is that a word?)
So explain to me the solution? Outside of dust, external camouflage, hiding in hedgerows etc what is the answer you are looking for?
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Corky, it wouldn't be an issue, but something tells me that Panzers never fought in a place that looks like Ireland. :rofl
Just switch the default skin to one that's comparable to the terrain. 'Nuff said.
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Corky, it wouldn't be an issue, but something tells me that Panzers never fought in a place that looks like Ireland. :rofl
Just switch the default skin to one that's comparable to the terrain. 'Nuff said.
Agreed. We have other tank skins that weren't terribly uncommon. Just switch us to that, OR make it so disabling other plane skins does NOT effect GVs. GVs aren't exactly known for their lagging and warping, so the extra CPU strength skins require isn't going to do much.
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We have panzers and tiggers? :O
They just targets for the M4 and M8 :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I think the main reason for being able to disable other plan skins is because you can have 100 planes in the area with 100 different skins. That's where the frame rate hit comes in.
Tanks on the other hand have a very limited number of skins. So, I think it would be OK to make it where planes skins are disabled but GV skins always change.
But the easiest thing is to change the default skins.
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maybe its good to have the current skin to take away some of the advantage tiger has?
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So explain to me the solution? Outside of dust, external camouflage, hiding in hedgerows etc what is the answer you are looking for?
The low perk shrub cammo perk option? Or the higher perked bombed out building cammo option maybe? (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1987/panzer50xe1.th.jpg) (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=panzer50xe1.jpg) (http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1424/128518942086b8bb3d0io4.th.jpg) (http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=128518942086b8bb3d0io4.jpg)
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HTC will never do this as it creates a liability issue because they will be messing with stuff that was not designed by them. All game manufactures would not do this. This is your responsibility, not HTC's. However HTC has posted tips and tweaks to help you out with that.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,231506.0.html
I think you need to re-read his post again ... you totally missed it.
However if they did include system resource use adjustments in their product then they must have intended for people to use them to get better performance if "Needed" or if only "Desired".
He was saying ...
Because AH already has graphic "tweaking" options within the clipboard (not within the OS) ... gamma adjustment, turn skins off, pre-load skins textures, etc, ... then HTC is already trying to cater to and keep lower end system running AH rather than kicking them to the curb.
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maybe its good to have the current skin to take away some of the advantage tiger has?
Which one?
The high perk price it has?
The rubber bullets?
The high visibility?
The unreal way that a Sherman can absorb rounds from one?
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You gents do understand that the default Panzer and Tiger skins are basically the standard paint scheme for German tanks from late 42 on? Tans, greens and browns?
Outside of whitewashing them in the winter to blend with the snow, they had those colors or variations of the same regardless of the theater they were in. So Green Shermans and T34s were shooting at Panzers and Tigers painted in tan, brown and green mottled camo.
True they may have been "standard" but aren't all the other skins that are available for the vehicles in question valid WWII schema skins ?
I would say "yes" ... else they wouldn't be in the list ... and some of them are darker skins ... so why not so why not switch the "default" skin to one of the other "official" darker skins ? ... that is all that is being asked for.
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By the same logic it's totally and morally unfair and a complete bias that the default plane skins are NOT sky blue! I'm quitting unless all the defaults are changed to sky blue!!!! :furious :( :mad: :mad: :mad:
:rolleyes:
Ahhh ... there is it ... the "Krusty Backpedal".
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Ivealways wondered if it would be possible to change it so the only plane you saw was the orange nik skin so it would be easier to see. With the icons telling you what it really is, it wouldnt really matter would it? Sure would be easier to see.
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You gents do understand that the default Panzer and Tiger skins are basically the standard paint scheme for German tanks from late 42 on? Tans, greens and browns?
Outside of whitewashing them in the winter to blend with the snow, they had those colors or variations of the same regardless of the theater they were in. So Green Shermans and T34s were shooting at Panzers and Tigers painted in tan, brown and green mottled camo.
And we just want the default set to the green cammo........
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Well.. this is a big issue for gameplay, I agree that german vehicles default skins should change.
Another option would be desert maps.
:salute
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That would be the best way to do it!!! :aok
or maybe ... change the "default" skin for those tanks ?
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OK for the Tekkies out there is it really technically difficult to: A) Allow only aircraft skins to be turned off or
B) Change the default tiger and Panzer skin to a darker green
As far as being historically realistic I do believe that during the war years Tigers and Panzers could mow down sheep, and drive through buildings, or knock over trees without flipping over upside down. :eek:
Is this something that would have to be fixed on an update?
LTARogue
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Well.. this is a big issue for gameplay, I agree that german vehicles default skins should change.
Another option would be desert maps.
:salute
They work like a charm on the Tunisia map.
Shame we'll never see that map in the MA's, as it is a thing of beauty :cry
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learn how to fly ltars :furious :rofl
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SlapShot WOOOOT !!! That is exactly what I was trying to say bro :D (his interpretation of my original reply to AKdogg)
I was not talking about going into your OS and hardware and / or running Third Party Programs to gain an advantage. I was talking about the system resource drain adjustments that HTC puts right into their game for players to use. The things you spoke of, things like at what distance do things begin to appear. My point is that HTC put those there to be used for whatever reason, whether it be so that you could run at the maximum graphics display and see all the glorious eye candy or turn things down for system performance improvement. I dont really care "Why" HTC put them there, the fact remains that they are there and that implies it is acceptable to use them. :cool:
Some of the logic I am reading in this thread is absloutely hilarious. :D I mean if I am flying around I can with the stroke of a key change the depthh of field of vision. So if I have "Full Vision" and I am going to attack a GV and I switch to "Ground Vision" mode I am now "Gaming the Game" by a lot of the logic I am reading here. The same logic seems to be implied if I am cruising at "Full Vision" mode and go to engage in a furball and I switch to "Medium" or "Short Vision" mode, am I now cheating and Metagaming in an unacceptable manner? :rolleyes:
My point is HTC put these features in thier product to be used. I didnt have to scour the internet hack/cheat zones to figure out how to make these changes. All I had to do was open up my "In Game Clipboard" and look around, click on some stuff and see what it was. Try a few things out and watch my "Frame Rate" and my "Memory Usage" dispaly that HTC put in the game for me to use. I can also use another display for "Latency" that HTC put in the game for me to use. But by the logic I am reading in this thread if I use them I am doing so only to gain some "Unfair" advantage. :rolleyes:
I must say that this thread is really starting to wreak of "Whaa, he isnt playing the game the way I want him to play :cry "
No offense intended to anybody, but these are all things that can be done while you are flying around in game and the notion that using any of them is in some way cheating or hacking the game in some way that is "Unfair" completely escapes me. :cool:
Oh, did I get it right? Are we actually petitioning HTC to change the default skins over this? :rofl :rofl :rofl
I for one would really like some official from HTC to chime in on this if they have not already done so. :cool:
Later,
KayBay
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I swear...people must sit and think of new complaints to make in this game. Next thing you're going to ask for is standardized control setups and monitors because someone might have better equipment than you which is totally unfair! What if someone has a huge monitor and can see you easier than you can see them?! THATS CHEATING!!!!! What if someone has better eyesight than you?! Make them where special blur glasses! :rolleyes:
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SlapShot WOOOOT !!! That is exactly what I was trying to say bro :D (his interpretation of my original reply to AKdogg)
I was not talking about going into your OS and hardware and / or running Third Party Programs to gain an advantage. I was talking about the system resource drain adjustments that HTC puts right into their game for players to use. The things you spoke of, things like at what distance do things begin to appear. My point is that HTC put those there to be used for whatever reason, whether it be so that you could run at the maximum graphics display and see all the glorious eye candy or turn things down for system performance improvement. I dont really care "Why" HTC put them there, the fact remains that they are there and that implies it is acceptable to use them. :cool:
Some of the logic I am reading in this thread is absloutely hilarious. :D I mean if I am flying around I can with the stroke of a key change the depthh of field of vision. So if I have "Full Vision" and I am going to attack a GV and I switch to "Ground Vision" mode I am now "Gaming the Game" by a lot of the logic I am reading here. The same logic seems to be implied if I am cruising at "Full Vision" mode and go to engage in a furball and I switch to "Medium" or "Short Vision" mode, am I now cheating and Metagaming in an unacceptable manner? :rolleyes:
My point is HTC put these features in thier product to be used. I didnt have to scour the internet hack/cheat zones to figure out how to make these changes. All I had to do was open up my "In Game Clipboard" and look around, click on some stuff and see what it was. Try a few things out and watch my "Frame Rate" and my "Memory Usage" dispaly that HTC put in the game for me to use. I can also use another display for "Latency" that HTC put in the game for me to use. But by the logic I am reading in this thread if I use them I am doing so only to gain some "Unfair" advantage. :rolleyes:
I must say that this thread is really starting to wreak of "Whaa, he isnt playing the game the way I want him to play :cry "
No offense intended to anybody, but these are all things that can be done while you are flying around in game and the notion that using any of them is in some way cheating or hacking the game in some way that is "Unfair" completely escapes me. :cool:
Oh, did I get it right? Are we actually petitioning HTC to change the default skins over this? :rofl :rofl :rofl
I for one would really like some official from HTC to chime in on this if they have not already done so. :cool:
Later,
KayBay
There isnt necessarily a cheating accusation, but HTC has coded in, unintentionally, a MASSIVE advantage for the allied tanks. They surely dont intend it that way, but thats how it came out. THAT needs to be fixed.
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I swear...people must sit and think of new complaints to make in this game. Next thing you're going to ask for is standardized control setups and monitors because someone might have better equipment than you which is totally unfair! What if someone has a huge monitor and can see you easier than you can see them?! THATS CHEATING!!!!! What if someone has better eyesight than you?! Make them where special blur glasses! :rolleyes:
Another one that didn't get it. ;)
It's not about what people do or what setting they use, and not that they shouldn't be able to "disable skins" for performance. So your analogy is... wrong.
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Another one that didn't get it. ;)
It's not about what people do or what setting they use, and not that they shouldn't be able to "disable skins" for performance. So your analogy is... wrong.
Ah..passive aggressive eye winking and a dramatic pause in the same post. I guess my point was that there are always people who will find things to whine about. No matter how trivial or ridiculous. Add your complaint to the list. I'm sure HTC will give it TOP priority.
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Ah..passive aggressive eye winking and a dramatic pause in the same post. I guess my point was that there are always people who will find things to whine about. No matter how trivial or ridiculous. Add your complaint to the list. I'm sure HTC will give it TOP priority.
Ah, the idea that unless something directly effects you, it means nothing. HTC wants to know when there are issues. This is one. To fix this would make it a better game. It wouldn't surprise me if something IS done about it.
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And we just want the default set to the green cammo........
My point was the real 'default' paint on Panzers wasn't green. The 'default' on Shermans and T-34s was green.
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Changing the default skin on the Tiger and Panzer to a green shade would make the complaint go away.
Bingo!
Hope to see it in a future update HTC.
The OP raises an important game play issue.
Thanks for bringing that out into the open LTARogue
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now everybody that has read this has learned how to gain advantage on a tiger. thanks a lot. :salute
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My point was the real 'default' paint on Panzers wasn't green. The 'default' on Shermans and T-34s was green.
rgr Guppy35.....I see your point.....
If you could move a slider in the graphics section of clip board... to make your computer run better..... and not only did that ,but made all the other planes visable from 10k out it would give you a desicive advantage.... I would only be able to see u 5k out you get to see me 10k out.... it not really fair in my opinion..... I dont care if in reall life a guy with 20/20 vision could or could not see that far......... In game it would be gamey to say the least.....that what we have with the tank colors....... We have the option to take a green camo tank out but HEy too bad suucker ill just change it on my end........
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and i believe,but not sure, but from looking at the settings... You can select a green camo foryourself and still disable the other guys camo....so you will show up in green camo on his end...and he will show up in orange/tan. on your end even though you get to keep your green camo..even gamier ......its just a guess it would take two guys or two gals or one guy and one gal or one guy or one gal with two computers and test the settings to see for sure.....
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And I can't wait for new green camo T34/85 skins to come out...but wait.......you will always be seen by the enemy as default dog poo brown until this is changed.. :(
LTARogue
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i am not going to read thru all of these post.
turning skins off does not mean only your enemy skins get turned off. the person that turns it off also loses all his/her skins as well. they drive default skins as well. no gaming the game here folks.
if you dont like it change your default skin its really easy to do. if you are not sure how to try asking in the tech support forums
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i am not going to read thru all of these post.
turning skins off does not mean only your enemy skins get turned off. the person that turns it off also loses all his/her skins as well. they drive default skins as well. no gaming the game here folks.
if you dont like it change your default skin its really easy to do. if you are not sure how to try asking in the tech support forums
Wow... not even close...
Now, im 99.999% sure turning off skins only turns it off for the OTHERS. YOUR skin still displays. Theres a microscopic chance im wrong there, but if need be Ill go test it.
Changing your default skin doesn't do jack **** to fix the problem, because that only changes how the default displays on your end. To your enemy youre still bright orange.
So perhaps next time you WILL read through these posts, so as not to contribute what may well be the most pointless post to the thread.
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Nope, you're right sir. It actually says: Disable Other Plane Skins And I have tested this already.
Wow... not even close...
Now, im 99.999% sure turning off skins only turns it off for the OTHERS. YOUR skin still displays. Theres a microscopic chance im wrong there, but if need be Ill go test it.
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i am not going to read thru all of these post.
turning skins off does not mean only your enemy skins get turned off. the person that turns it off also loses all his/her skins as well. they drive default skins as well. no gaming the game here folks.
if you dont like it change your default skin its really easy to do. if you are not sure how to try asking in the tech support forums
kilz, bro you need to read at leat the first post.....did you just click on the last post or what.....?
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Wow... not even close...
Now, I'm 99.999% sure turning off skins only turns it off for the OTHERS. YOUR skin still displays. Theres a microscopic chance I'm wrong there, but if need be Ill go test it.
Changing your default skin doesn't do jack **** to fix the problem, because that only changes how the default displays on your end. To your enemy you re still bright orange.
So perhaps next time you WILL read through these posts, so as not to contribute what may well be the most pointless post to the thread.
WOW the youngest one here has to open his mouth again and spit out words that might get him sent to the principle's office. how about JUST MAYBE instead of trying to look cool and slam someone try explaining your theory and BACK IT UP WITH FACTS. provide a link that says these things.
all i know is it use to disable your skin as well. i have not played with it for over 4 years. now don't you have school or something to got to.
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WOW the youngest one here has to open his mouth again and spit out words that might get him sent to the principle's office. how about JUST MAYBE instead of trying to look cool and slam someone try explaining your theory and BACK IT UP WITH FACTS. provide a link that says these things.
all i know is it use to disable your skin as well. i have not played with it for over 4 years. now don't you have school or something to got to.
I believe disabling skins disables your ability to see skins other than the default. You can still choose a skin. To you, it will look like the default skin. To others, it will look like the skin you chose. (I think).
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kilz, bro you need to read at leat the first post.....did you just click on the last post or what.....?
lets break down my post shall we
no gaming the game here Folks.~kilz
can this little ability to "game the game" ~LTARouge (first post might i add)
Does sound pretty gamey~CRAZiVN
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if you dont like it change your default skin its really easy to do~kilz
or maybe ... change the "default" skin for those tanks~Slapshot
The simple and compromising fix would be to make one of the darker Panzer/Tiger skins the default.
I cannot fathom how this would be hard to do, in any way~VonMessa
Quote from: SlapShot on January 06, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
or maybe ... change the "default" skin for those tanks ?
that would be the easiest way to fix it i was thinking the same think... the panzer is a real problem.. just set the default skin to the green camo one....~Firedrgn
so are you sure you read the post. you simple stated the same thing i said hotshot. keep that pie hole shut will you
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I dont see the smiley face after my quote. :cry :rofl and as I recall my Sherman only comes in green. :salute
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WOW the youngest one here has to open his mouth again and spit out words that might get him sent to the principle's office. how about JUST MAYBE instead of trying to look cool and slam someone try explaining your theory and BACK IT UP WITH FACTS. provide a link that says these things.
all i know is it use to disable your skin as well. i have not played with it for over 4 years. now don't you have school or something to got to.
Hey, what can I say, I have a particular dislike for idiots who feel the need to have a say in EVERYTHING without bothering to figure out just what it is they are trying to have a say in. Now, if you take the time to go back and READ the posts, you will see that what I say in my posts is in no way lacking support. And by the way, i'm not the youngest one here. You just like to think that so when you so often get stuck realizing you're WRONG it gives you something to shout when you can think of no other response. Keep tryin :aok
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Solution: add option disable disabling other plane skins"
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lets break down my post shall we
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so are you sure you read the post. you simple stated the same thing i said hotshot. keep that pie hole shut will you
Ah, but how deceptive simple words taken out of context can be. Lets break this down properly.
i am not going to read thru all of these post.
Spelling, punctuation, grammar, and capitalization aside, you're just being lazy. If you want to provide some input so very much, take the time to at least read what others have said. If you don't bother to research the topic itself, we can assume you havn't researched it's solutions. This is proved by the solutions you offer.
turning skins off does not mean only your enemy skins get turned off. the person that turns it off also loses all his/her skins as well. they drive default skins as well. no gaming the game here folks.
This MAY be considered decent contribution. Other than the fat that: It DOES mean only your enemy skins get turned off. The person who turns it off DOESN'T lose their skins as well. They DON'T necessarily drive the default skin, and YES, taking advantage of a system setting to expose an enemy in a way which no amount of skill or effort on their part may remedy IS quite gamey.
if you dont like it change your default skin its really easy to do. if you are not sure how to try asking in the tech support forums
This is where you go downhill and obviously do not grasp the issue at hand. What possible bearing does changing what YOU see on your FE have toward fixing this. If you were to change your default to be a green scheme that would further unbalance things because if you disable your skins in return to leave them equally exposed, they have the same green on your end that is bright orange to them.
So, next time, before you pick out a few random sentences that, out of context, make things appear to support you, remember: There are a******s like me who WILL take the time to break things down properly.
P.S.: Internet tough-guy: You just got pwned by "the youngest one here" :aok
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Did you read my post? 4 years ago is what you're going by? Really?
all i know is it use to disable your skin as well. i have not played with it for over 4 years. now don't you have school or something to got to.
BTW.... Go prove it for yourself. Takes 8 seconds in Offline to see this.
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kilz!!!! STOP.....stop....NOW STOP!!!! <shakes him vigorously> Now take one of these. :uhoh Okay, now see........STOP!!!!.....calm down. Okay, now see, what you're saying really isn't true. Now i'm going to slowly......STOP!!!! <slap> <slap>......Now i'm going to slowly take off the straight jacket. See, everyting is going to be........<lots of things breaking and being thrown> :uhoh
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WOW the youngest one here has to open his mouth again and spit out words that might get him sent to the principle's office. how about JUST MAYBE instead of trying to look cool and slam someone try explaining your theory and BACK IT UP WITH FACTS. provide a link that says these things.
all i know is it use to disable your skin as well. i have not played with it for over 4 years. now don't you have school or something to got to.
Wow ... other than being blatantly wrong ... maybe you should follow some of your own advise and BACK IT UP WITH FACTS before inserting your foot into your mouth.
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so are you sure you read the post. you simple stated the same thing i said hotshot. keep that pie hole shut will you
Your going to have to type slower for me you not making any sense.......
We all know how to change OUR skins from the default.........If another player "disables" or never loads the other skins..... the it TURNS your skins off on his end......IT MAKES YOUR GREEN TANK THE DEFAULT COLOR ON HIS END AND HE CAN EaSeLY SPOT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LTARogue....LOL at your post You still turn down graphics when you GV..I know cus you've continuously shot at me while I was fully hidden behind hills and buildings. Really Hypocritical don't you think ?
And yes you can still turn down graphics for an advantage...
Kam
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LTARogue....LOL at your post You still turn down graphics when you GV..I know cus you've continuously shot at me while I was fully hidden behind hills and buildings. Really Hypocritical don't you think ?
And yes you can still turn down graphics for an advantage...
Kam
No, you can't. Has long been fixed.
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Your going to have to type slower for me you not making any sense.......
We all know how to change OUR skins from the default.........If another player "disables" or never loads the other skins..... the it TURNS your skins off on his end......IT MAKES YOUR GREEN TANK THE DEFAULT COLOR ON HIS END AND HE CAN EaSeLY SPOT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So how do you decide which is default? Do you want it based by map or by how the tank would have rolled off the production line historically? I guess that's where I think it would be difficult as the defaults are pretty much the common paint schemes for the tanks they are on.
I understand what the concern is, but unless you have default skins change for any map that is a different color, it's gonna be tough.
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I understand what the concern is, but unless you have default skins change for any map that is a different color, it's gonna be tough.
Not really... all MA maps have the same color. Green. And that's where 99% of all tank action in this game happens ;)
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So how do you decide which is default? Do you want it based by map or by how the tank would have rolled off the production line historically? I guess that's where I think it would be difficult as the defaults are pretty much the common paint schemes for the tanks they are on.
I understand what the concern is, but unless you have default skins change for any map that is a different color, it's gonna be tough.
I make the decision based on Fair or at least balanced game play based on the maps we are using now.. and the color that they are now.... I already gave an example HOW it was not Fair or balanced. I dont have a problem trying to keep things historical ,BUT
In real life i would be cutting tree branches and camouflaging my tank. And I might die in my real tank with my real tree camouflage but some sorry sob-tank driver ant going to pull some magic lever and un-camouflage me.
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And yes you can still turn down graphics for an advantage...
No matter how many times you say it, no matter how many differnt people you accuse of doing it, doesnt make it any more true or any less of a whine becasue you got your butt handed to you. :D
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No matter how many times you say it, no matter how many differnt people you accuse of doing it, doesnt make it any more true or any less of a whine becasue you got your butt handed to you. :D
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Not really... all MA maps have the same color. Green. And that's where 99% of all tank action in this game happens ;)
I've been going through the three "Panzer Colors' books on the shelf here and I can't come up with an only green Panzer IV or Tiger I. They all seem to contain the tan as base color with streaks of green and browns to break up the shape.
I'm not finding a green panzer. Good examples of both a Tiger I and Panzer IV in Normandy, which was awfully green when I was there. Tan as the base color with brown and green patches. Definately not overall green
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Panzers.jpg)
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http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=d64bc76b898984bc4b7af5b0ceaf529b
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Well, we are not asking for fantasy green skins just because our maps are green. Just for considering making the most "greenish" skins we already have our default ones:
(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9538/clipboard02dx2.jpg)
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2660/clipboard01mg4.jpg)
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http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/index.php?module=see&lang=uk&code=d64bc76b898984bc4b7af5b0ceaf529b
:rofl :aok :lol :rofl
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Well, we are not asking for fantasy green skins just because our maps are green. Just for considering making the most "greenish" skins we already have our default ones:
No worries for me :)
It just made me curious if there was even a 'green' paint scheme that worked historically for a Panzer or Tiger. The lower one appears to be green over Panzer gray.
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No worries for me :)
It just made me curious if there was even a 'green' paint scheme that worked historically for a Panzer or Tiger. The lower one appears to be green over Panzer gray.
I can appreciate your historical point of view... I would like to post on historical stuff in game ,but i know i cant do it with out being a buttt head so <Salute> is all i can say..... cheers
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LTARogue....LOL at your post You still turn down graphics when you GV..I know cus you've continuously shot at me while I was fully hidden behind hills and buildings. Really Hypocritical don't you think ?
And yes you can still turn down graphics for an advantage...
Kam
Well Kamori, I just don't know what to tell you other than apparentlly you need to go back to the training arena and learn how to GV because if I saw you, and killed your happy azzz, then obviously you weren't hidden well enough. I will also add that you should work on your aiming, snapshots, target aquisition, and range estimation so that you can kill me next time instead of the other way around. Just because you continually get owned by me on the ground doesn't mean that I have stooped to your level. I have not utilized this "option" with the exception of the last 18 hours to see how much of an effect it really has. My observations are that it makes a big difference and all tigers and panzers are very visible. If you are doing this for that reason then you are gaming the game period. That is the point of this post. It was not intended to invite personal attacks such as Kamori's.
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Hey, you tankers need to start a new thread about dropping your own engine sound to 0 so you can find the enemy tank easier.
Oh, and another thread how the Il2's new guns are too powerful.
(must... stir.... the... pot)
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:O just wondering why we haven't heard from skuzzy or somebody from HTC (or did i miss it) :noid on this topic as this issue has been mentioned alot and seems like a easy fix. IMHO :salute
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Maybe Skuzzy and the rest of the gang are feverishly working on it in their HTC shop staying up late etc..Or maybe they are just waiting to see how big of an issue this really is. :noid And turning engine sound down....doesn't everybody do that?
LTARogue
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I'll be the first to admit that I back it off, but not down. I like to know when I am running. It sucks when you try to move, only to remember that you shut down.
The balance (for me, at least) between some engine sounds and squad vox will not allow full GV sound. It's just way too effing loud.
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Maybe Skuzzy and the rest of the gang are feverishly working on it in their HTC shop staying up late etc..Or maybe they are just waiting to see how big of an issue this really is. :noid And turning engine sound down....doesn't everybody do that?
LTARogue
I never do it. I cut my own engine and turn my volume up really loud, but I never change the balance between mine and others'.
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:noid And turning engine sound down....doesn't everybody do that?
LTARogue
Geesh -- I would have thought you would have shared that little tidbit with me at some point.
Bastage. :cry
Sincerely,
Only-former-LTAR-ever-to-have-never-become-proficient-at-anything-GVs.
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I'm not finding a green panzer. Good examples of both a Tiger I and Panzer IV in Normandy, which was awfully green when I was there. Tan as the base color with brown and green patches. Definately not overall green
Despite your experience of Normandy being "awfully green" while you were there, I would hazard a guess and say it wasn't nearly as monochromatically green as the current AH terrain.
Before they recreated the terrain, there was quite a bit of yellow/brown colors and a lighter shade of green IIRC. The default skins didn't stand out against the mottled background any more (and perhaps a bit less) than, say, the all green M-3.
The new terrain, however, I can easily spot anyone using the default skin. Green skins are more difficult. M-4s that have the dark green forrest trees behind them are an absolute bugger to make out.
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Sincerely,
Only-former-LTAR-ever-to-have-never-become-proficient-at-anything-GVs.
thats because you never wanted to learn. your a furballer no doubt about that
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That's because you never wanted to learn. You're a furballer, no doubt about that.
No, it's because you were all just too jealous of my spelling ability and grammar skills.
That, and perhaps the 54°40′ or Fight thread ticked off the Canadian members . . . :noid
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So,does disabling other skins help with frame rate at all?(flying)
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So,does disabling other skins help with frame rate at all?(flying)
Depending on your system, it cannhelp you with elimating stutter when the program has to load skins from HD while airborne and getting into a fight.
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i still don't understand why changing the default skin on the tiger/ panzer would effect the ability of the (low end computer)
if disabling skins helps frame rate that is fine, but it hurts your ability to gv when another does so!
i personally always shoot at the default skin tanks that stand out like sore thumbs first, then i type in on 200 , " get a paint job" or some other smart remark!
all tho i have known about the disable skins , thing i never gave it much thought, but if the reason a low end computer is effected is because of skin downloads, then htc should change the default skin, to better match the terrain we use here.
i don't remember a desert map in A H were the default camo on the tiger would be correct.
on the other side of it ,, if you have a high end computer and yet you are selecting disable skins, isn't that more of a cheat than even say,, killing a shade account?
the fact that this happens makes me Leary now,, because i have been thinking my green tank would be safe in the green woods, this also explains how someone just pops up and within seconds can see me at long range inside the trees, or other cover,
maybe i should go back to playing in default skin only! kinda takes the fun out of it tho!!
just my opinion,
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I don't think I ever downloaded extra skins; I think I've used only the default ones, unless my squad asked me to select a specific skin for a mission or something. I think the only one I have available for the pzr (which I'm in most of the time) is the brown skin. The other skins on the list aren't 'available' to me. I suppose I can download other skins and use them instead of the brown one. I probably wouldn't have thought to do that had it not been for this thread. Thanks :aok
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I have also just recently learned that some people are doing something to they're settings so that bushes and smoke do not show up. That kinda ticks me off to know that because I have thrown up a thick smoke screen only to be shot from the other side by someone I cannot even see. That is almost more of a cheat than the disabling of skins IMHO. I have kind of a cheap computer with a low end video card but I can see smoke and bushes very well. Seems my computer runs just fine even tho my average frame rate is around 35.
LTARogue
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Disabling skins? Boy did I get the wrong idea from the title. I thought THIS is what you guys were talking about doing....
(http://break4fun.zarke.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/man-without-skin-01.jpg)
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Plastination :aok
Saw the whole exhibit at the Franklin Institute in Philly with the Mrs.
Very fascinating :aok :aok
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I only load what I want to see. Always have.... never thought it was cheating.
Not a really much of a tanker but has always worked well for me when flying against fighters and bombers. I went through the whole list many months ago and took out what I did not want. It switches to default skin then.
Using TrackIR might be cheating, but don't have that either.
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You gents do understand that the default Panzer and Tiger skins are basically the standard paint scheme for German tanks from late 42 on? Tans, greens and browns?
But the tanks listed didn't have a neon orange color, red flag or X marking them?
Seems HTC needs to do some changes here, that doesn't affect low end computers.
But you can get a Dual core or Pent 4 system already built to run for around $600.00 with a good video card and all the bells.
Time might be changing to rebuild or improve the game matrix, And some players will in time have to buy a new computer or a better use one.
Time has changed .....And this is showing the time for the game to improve to keep the higher resolution players also.
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I have also just recently learned that some people are doing something to they're settings so that bushes and smoke do not show up. That kinda ticks me off to know that because I have thrown up a thick smoke screen only to be shot from the other side by someone I cannot even see. That is almost more of a cheat than the disabling of skins IMHO. I have kind of a cheap computer with a low end video card but I can see smoke and bushes very well. Seems my computer runs just fine even tho my average frame rate is around 35.
LTARogue
the smoke deal explains alot,
i hate it when someone pops smoke between me and them then hits me multiple times thru there smoke!!!!
thats total Garbage!!!
happened to me not long ago, wish a would have saved film, i moved around a good bit thinking he was just getting lucky, yet i knew were he was and could not get a hit, be cause i could not see him thru the smoke!!!
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But Wwhiskey, some people that do that are turning their resolution down to speed things up legitametly (sic), just as some are doing with the skins because it does make a difference; however, there is a segment of players that do both of these things only to gain an advantage. It is truly sad that score trumps fair gameplay. :(
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i guess i just want to get the most out of the game!
i like that i can change the colors of my tank or plane, i think it is cool that other players can create skins , it adds to the total experience of the game, disabling skins and or setting the controls to "game the game" seems like it would take away from the fun of it all!
i have spent most of the morning playing with my settings to see if there is a better setting than what i normally use, and yes i can fix it to "game the game" but i doesn't look very interesting that way!
since i spent that time , now i have the game set up even better than before, crisper image's and faster , better graphics! :aok
it is amazing how much better i made the game by updating some drivers LOL
and i do understand that some cp's will not handle all that the game offers,
in this day and age tho, its not hard to get a better machine that will handle more!!
maybe there should be a poll to see what the players want more, better graphics and faster game speeds, or slower and less, not that HT would be obligated to respect those wishes but rather to just get an idea of the players positions on this
just my opinion tho :aok
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I have good frames on some maps and bad on others like Very large TT types. 18fps is sucky but in Mid war I'm getting 75 -80.
I run an AMD Barton 2500+ with 1 gig and an old ATI 9800 pro with 128mb. A very good card way back when...? But need upgrades all the way around.